Tensions rise as warships arrive in Southern Caribbean near Venezuela
Posted by ObjectiveObserver420@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 45 comments
Posted by ObjectiveObserver420@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 45 comments
Elucidate137@reddit
the US has been "intervening" for over a century in latin america (and across the globe), it has never brought anything but pain and suffering. look at libya, cuba, granada, afghanistan, vietnam, the post USSR, chile, the list goes on. the US leaves a trail of blood everywhere it goes
moderngamer327@reddit
What about Japan and South Korea?
Super_Duper_Shy@reddit
South Korea was a dictatorship, followed by a military junta, for decades after the Korean War.
And in Japan they left most of Japan's war criminals in power after WWII, and used the country as a staging ground for its own crimes against Korea and Vietnam.
moderngamer327@reddit
And yet both countries turned into some of the best places to live in the world with assistance from the US and the western world
Gruejay2@reddit
South Korea's definitely not one of the best places to live in the world in many ways, given their extreme work culture.
moderngamer327@reddit
If you compare it to the G20 sure but if you actually compare it globally it’s better than 90% of the globe
Bobsothethird@reddit
Did a lot of good in the Balkans.
werealldoomed47@reddit
That's what's so stupid about this immigration rhetoric.
They wouldn't be coming here in stoves if we hadn't spent a century manipulating governments and the powers between them for our benefit.
frostcanadian@reddit
But corporations and wealthy individuals love it. The government does whatever is in the best interest of corporations and investors collect the benefits. Then, immigrants flee their fucked up countries to the US in the hope for a better life. The corporations and the wealthy fund the media to push the hate and fear towards immigration. The uneducated population ate it all up and are mad at immigrants instead of being mad at the true perpetrators of their misfortune. Rinse and repeat.
ShootmansNC@reddit
You forgot the most imporant step of the cycle: the corporations and the rich profit from exploiting the desperate immigrants.
sM0k3dR4Gn@reddit
This isn't brought up enough.
Elucidate137@reddit
indeed indeed, same shit with europe and their colonies and neocolonies
minecraftbroth@reddit
They just can't fucking leave us alone. The entire region is gonna suffer the consecuences of this and no one is gonna do jack shit because they're terrified of defying daddy US and every right winger fuck is in their pockets.
luvsads@reddit
What is the US doing to Paraguay or other countries in the area? Article only mentions combating drug cartels in Venezuela
Super_Duper_Shy@reddit
The US has also been toying with the idea of sending drones into Mexico to go after cartels, which would violate Mexico's sovereignty and endanger civilians.
It also wasn't that many years ago that they couped Bolivia.
luvsads@reddit
Mexican and US authorities have been using US drones in Mexico to combat cartels and immigration for over a decade. The majority of flight hours from MQ-9 missions between 2013 and 2016 were in Mexico.
The United States couped Bolivia? Are you talking about Morales?
Super_Duper_Shy@reddit
Yes, but what I was talking about would be done without Mexico's permission, that's a big difference.
The coup against Morales, yes. The one where on Twitter there was a person who criticized the US for couping Bolivar to get lithium, and then Elon Musk replied to them and said "we will coup whoever we want".
goozila1@reddit
Venezuela and Paraguay are both in South America. By invading Venezuela, they destabilize the hole continent.
Bobsothethird@reddit
Is Paraguay starving their children?
CapitalLine@reddit
Is starving children a valid reason for US intervention? If so, where is the US in Sudan? In Gaza?
Bobsothethird@reddit
US sends aid to many places, Venezuela included. No need for what aboutism though, I asked a simple question.
blu_kale@reddit
The issue is said aids are barely seen on ground , none deny that the US donate the most that any cut no matter how small it is cause political problems , but when it comes to usage and on ground perspective it almost none existence , a lot of time it straight out fall in the "wrong" arm under the US supervisor
Bobsothethird@reddit
Ya corruption of the states receiving aid in properly distributing it is a huge issue that continues to be one of the primary problems in aid programs.
Ayotollallah@reddit
Must be a shitty feeling
imunfair@reddit
I don't approve of yet another "intervention" in a foreign nation, but I have wondered from time to time what central and south america would look like if we actually took military action against the cartels rather than secretly working with them to destabilize governments.
A prosperous south america where you never had to worry about being kidnapped traveling on your own would be a beautiful thing. I think we've done a lot to stop that from happening because we fear competition in our own hemisphere, especially if they aren't politically aligned with is - Cuba is a perfect case in point with all the action we tried against them, and we still have them locked down even now.
20_comer_20matar@reddit
I'm brazilian and I honestly would be happy if the US tried to intervene here. Most of Brazil's violence is linked to gangs and criminal organizations like the PCC, and our government does nothing to stop these organizations.
And about Venezuela, they're being controlled by a dictator, and most of the Venezuelan population doesn't even like Maduro, so it would be fair if they just killed him. Of course that this would have to be done without hurting the population, but considering the things that the US did in the middle east, I doubt they would be able to do it without hurting anyone.
CLOUDMlNDER@reddit
This guy: [looks at long chaotic and bloody history of US interventions] Maybe this time it would be good though
bonesrentalagency@reddit
Is the memory of Operation Condor and the various IS backed military dictatorships and the torture and violence they wrought across the continent already faded away?
Jukajobs@reddit
Unfortunately, a lot of people in Brazil refuse to acknowledge history. That's how Bolsonaro got elected even though he's openly praised military dictatorships that resulted from Operation Condor many times. Far-right rallies here typically include signs and banners asking the military to take over again and asking the US to intervene. It's a mess.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Lol. This made me actually laugh out loud!
cursedbones@reddit
They already have. It's called military dictatorships. Is that what you want?
abdergapsul@reddit
Are you really saying the US installed Maduro?
cursedbones@reddit
No, I'm talking about your country.
imunfair@reddit
I think that's the responsibility of the nation, if they want to take out their own leaders than so be it, but it isn't the place of a foreign nation to assassinate leaders to foment regime change. Not to mention it often turns out poorly when you force it while the nation isn't ready - Iraq for instance - replace the big mean strongman and it devolved into chaos.
Mundane_Emu8921@reddit
Yeah but then you also have to give a nation a fair shake. America has made it its mission to destroy Venezuela and to destroy Cuba as warnings
FriedRice2682@reddit
History would tell us that killing or toppling dictators in an unstable political environment rarely leads to better outcomes.
Rosu_Aprins@reddit
I don't think it'd be fair if they just "killed him". You don't just get to kill unpopular leaders in other countries, if that was a valid justification then it'd be very bad news for trump or even fucking starmer.
All the interventionism is how bad situations were turned into worse, from installing Pahlavi in Iran (with MI6 help), to invading libya or afghanistan, none of it ended up with a better situation.
EliBadBrains@reddit
Yeah that sure worked in Afghanistan
OnAllDAY@reddit
Look at Mexico. The government doesn't care because they know the US will never sanction them because of trade. So they extradite a few guys here and there to make it look like they're doing everything they can.
CLOUDMlNDER@reddit
The US makes problems where action looks necessary but this is like how aggressive weeding leaves only aggressive weeds. Better to stop and sow some white clover.
The US doesn't need to intervene it just needs to withdraw support. Maybe invest in community.
But the international drug trade is one of the, if not the, world's most lucrative businesses and the octopus is not going to untangle itself voluntarily.
EmotionalTowel1@reddit
All these headlines are just begging for clicks. Tensions aren’t rising, you don’t just send the scant forces that crossed over if you are attempting regime change. This is just political theater.
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
There is probably someone stupid enough to think they can recreate operation success.
GuqJ@reddit
Can't wait for a multi polar world
Illustrious_Dog_1743@reddit
Yankee go home.
-Lord-Of-Salem-@reddit
Nothing says USA like waging a senseless war to distract from the dirt sticking to the sitting president and to undermine American democracy. If they think the Patriot Act was bad, they better buckle up for whatever President Dump will install as soon as he dragged his country into a foreign war.