What are these planes (in North Korea)?
Posted by unsightly_buildup@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 144 comments

(Found on Google Maps). They make me think they're MiG-15s, but I'm not sure. There's the nose of another plane that you can see sticking out just ahead of them.
wetbungus@reddit
Living fossils
Kanyiko@reddit
MiG-17.
The quickest identification trick to see if it's a MiG-15 or MiG-17, is to hold the corner of a page to the screen and try to line it up to the wings. If the page covers the wings it's a MiG-17 (45° sweep); if the wings stick out from under the edges it's a MiG-15 (35° sweep).
North Korea still fields both types in their active inventory.
Toxic-Park@reddit
Wow, they seriously still deploy MiG-15? Or 17s for that matter?
That would be the equivalent if we kept F-86’s and F-100’s in service.
Kanyiko@reddit
Politics were a major factor in how and from whom North Korea received much of its military assistance - and why they have kept 'obsolete' types that others no longer operate.
The Korean War saw both the Soviet Union and Communist China come to North Korea's aid, with both providing them with military equipment.
The ideological fracture between the Soviet Union and China at the beginning of the 1960s saw North Korea side with China, with its relationships with the Soviet Union deteriorating considerably.
This made China its main military provider until 1981, when the North Korean relationship with China deteriorated considerably, following China's closer ties with the West (Deng Xiaoping 'Open Door' policies). North Korea moved closer with the Soviet Union, who at that point became their main provider of military equipment - a situation that lasted until 1991 and the disbanding of the Soviet Union.
Already isolated, things turned worse for North Korea following its economic collapse starting in the second half of the 1980s, culminating in the major famines in the second half of the 1990s - meaning the country simply had no money to modernise its military.
Following its development of nuclear weapons in the early 2000s, an international embargo was put in place against North Korea, which made it only more difficult to acquire replacements for its increasingly obsolete air force. It's only in the recent two years that things appear to have started changing - North Korea's willingness to help out Russia in its campaign against Ukraine seems to come with a promise to provide North Korea with more modern equipment, such as MiG-29s and Sukhoi Su-27s.
In short, they received the bulk of their aircraft from China and the Soviet Union between 1950 and 1981; they received slightly more modern aircraft (MiG-23s, first-generation MiG-29s and Sukhoi Su-25s) in small quantities from the Soviet Union between 1984 and 1991; and... well, that's it. With barely 35 'modern' MiG-29s and 34 'modern' Su-25s; and 56 'sightly more obsolete' MiG-23s; they've pretty much been forced to keep their older aircraft in service, as retiring them would represent a serious reduction of their air force. Hence they still have about 30 Shenyang F-7s (MiG-21)s; around 20 Sukhoi Su-7s; around 100 Shenyang F-6s (MiG-19s); some 80 Harbin H-5s (Il-28); around 100 Shenyang F-5s (MiG-17s); and somewhere between 30 and 100 MiG-15s (single- and two-seat variants).
angelmaker1991@reddit
Still more potent than the Canadian Airforce :(
Gaspuch62@reddit
I'm sure the RCAF CF-18s would probably dominate the bulk of the DPRK's 50s airforce. Most of those planes are guns only and if they can use missiles, they're old missiles that don't have the range, and capabilities of modern missiles. Like they're probably rear aspect only, so they would have to get behind the enemy, while modern missiles are all aspect and can track a target from any angle.
angelmaker1991@reddit
Idk we only have like 18 of them, any loss we took would be catastrophic
Little_Bookkeeper381@reddit
the point is that the cf-18s would be able to detect and shoot down any of those ancient planes before the pilots even knew what hit them
Whosgotdro420@reddit
Thats why its so funny when news media in America try to paint north Korea as an actual threat we need to waste resources on. Here's another fun fact they still use the Russian p02 bi plane as a trainer.
Kanyiko@reddit
Actually no. The Po-2 has long departed service in North Korea; in fact, Albania was its last military operator... in 1985.
North Korea DOES still use the Antonov An-2 biplane as a light cargo aircraft though.
Also, North Korea's main threat doesn't lie in its antequated air force - but in its nuclear missiles. They might not have the air force to compete with USAF F-35s, but they do have the capability and long-range missiles to wipe several larger US west-coast cities off the map. If that's not an 'actual threat', I don't know what is.
INBOX_ME_YOUR_BOOTY@reddit
I see your point and raise you a THAAD battery.
Kanyiko@reddit
THAADs would need to have a 100% success rate in a nuclear attack. Any less, and you're speaking about the loss of a couple of tens of thousand lives, which would be unacceptable.
And as it's recently been shown in Israel, even the THAADs don't have a 100% success rate, and that was against considerably less advanced rockets fired by Houthi rebels.
"We've been mostly successful in intercepting the threat. Too bad about Spokane, Tacoma, Portland and Fairbanks, though."
yobob591@reddit
I dunno, one nuked city is less bad than ten I think
Cambren1@reddit
Respectfully, the flight time and size of the missle are also a factor. A large ICBM would be easier to hit than a small rocket with limited flight time.
T65Bx@reddit
A large ICBM coming in screaming at near-orbital speeds, spending that “longer flight time” almost entirely too high in altitude to be accurately tracked let along targeted? That’s easier?
Jfst3737998@reddit
Predictable flight path, opportunity to hit in the acent stage, and a flight profile that has been planned for since the 1970s means it is an "easier" intercept. Easier in the way that hitting a bullet, with a bullet, in flight is easier when you know which direction the gun is firing from. Remember that if the warhead is coming in on a ballistic trajectory then the difficulty isn't necessarily the hit, but tracking it long enough to predict and execute the intercept. The US has been practicing that aspect for years.
Jfst3737998@reddit
In the case of a nuclear attack, losses are acceptable. Unfortunately, yes, even that many.
Kanyiko@reddit
In case of a nuclear attack, THAADs would need to intercept 100% of incoming missiles. Any less would be a failure.
And as recent events in Israel have showed - even THAADs don't have a 100% success rate.
"We intercepted most of the missiles - too bad about Portland, Tacoma and Anchorage though. But it's mostly been a success."
whiteriot0906@reddit
Those missiles don’t exist to just up and nuke LA one day. They’re a deterrent so NK doesn’t get the Iraq treatment. They’re not a threat unless the US does something really stupid first.
Kanyiko@reddit
Of course. North Korea is more than aware that if they ever used them in a 'first strike' scenario, they'd more or less be wiped off the map before the first missile strikes (although an American response might be somewhat muted, with South Korea, China and Russia all bordering North Korea - wouldn't want to nuke an ally; wouldn't want to provoke another nuclear power...).
But the fates that befell Saddam Hussain and - later on - Muammar Gaddafi certainly convinced that it was better to have something to deter the US from launching any kind of 'first strike'.
(Or to prevent Seth Rogen from making a sequel to 'The Interview'... ;p )
Dr_Hexagon@reddit
They are a threat because of abilities to hit Seoul with artillery, Japan with missiles and potentially lob a nuke onto a medium range ballistic missile.
Eg the threat is not directly to the US homeland, its North Korea causing a global recession by damaging the South Korean and Japanese economies.
Tiny-Fisherman4747@reddit
The US still has planes from the 1950s in service, only 10 years newer.
strat-fan89@reddit
Not fighters though.
SummerInPhilly@reddit
After getting into a discussion about keeping B-17s airworthy and engine maintenance, I commend the NK technicians for their work. They have no choice, but I still commend them
Archangel7104@reddit
Maybe they expect Lee Majors to show up so they can have "The Last Chase North Korea"
Angryg8tor@reddit
I would think the F84 and F86 are more comparable, as the F100 was supersonic in level flight and the mig17 is not.
Kanyiko@reddit
Well, the F-100 would still be worth mentioning in this case - North Korea still operates the MiG-19 as well, after all.
Lanky-Scientist2672@reddit
I commend your autism 🫡🫡
Kanyiko@reddit
It's actually something I learnt from my modelli...
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... I'm not helping my case, am I? >.>
MelTheTransceiver@reddit
95% of us here are somewhat on the spectrum so it’s okay!
toedwy0716@reddit
Gonna try this trick with all the girls at the bar tonight. I’m going to have so much sex tonight!!!!
Glittering_Run_5739@reddit
Like, a hundred sex for sure!
CoolAssociation2945@reddit
45 deg sex, or 35 deg sex?
Nice_Magician3014@reddit
You need a piece of paper to figure that out!
Captain_Lolz@reddit
Swing Wing sex! Kinky!
Lanky-Scientist2672@reddit
Bro come on save some pussy for the rest of us wtf!
angelmaker1991@reddit
How is it going?
Lanky-Scientist2672@reddit
Hahaha not really but I respect it
So_HauserAspen@reddit
Sometimes knowledge is just cool without any need to be power.
alphagusta@reddit
Damn you people who do numbers real good are insane
4auq@reddit
I don't understand the paper thing, can u show a photo of it
Kanyiko@reddit
Here's my quick visual guide, I hope it explains things.
freqspace@reddit
That's some TV spy shit right there. Count the time until you see it pop up in a film.
soyTegucigalpa@reddit
Mission Pythagorus
BobMcGeoff2@reddit
Since both of the MiG-17's wings come off of the fuselage at a 45° angle, that means that each one is at a 90° angle to the other, since 45 + 45 is 90. So, if you hold the corner of a piece of paper and try to line up the edges with both of the wing's edges, it should fit (if it is a MiG-17).
Does that explain it?
tomuchin-the_bad_cat@reddit
This is great, thanks bud!
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
North Korea doesn't field MiG-15s, nor are any sizeable portion of their F-5 fleet operational. It's primarily used for training.
NoOilJustVibes@reddit
Sounds like something a North Korean or a Narc would say…
Kanyiko@reddit
Wonsan Airbase. 4 MiG-15s next to a line-up of 15 MiG-21s. (aerial pictures taken on March 27th 2024)
Chongjin Airbase. 69 MiG-15s lined up, 48 of which line-up on the apron. (aerial pictures taken on April 20th 2024)
Panghyon Airbase. A mixture of MiG-15s and MiG-17s. (Aerial pictures taken on February 3rd 2023)
And that is from a quick, five-minute scroll through Google Earth.
theitgrunt@reddit
Oooof those runways look like trash
Stegosaurus69@reddit
Can't be worse than Nashville
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
What part of "primarily used for training" passed you by?
Chongjin "airbase" (it's a public airport that hasn't been militarized for decades) doesn't hold operational MiG-15s. For the last 4 decades it's been demilitarized, with a pretty cool museum held at the domestic terminal.
Hell, you can even see the portables used to cover the aircraft for scrapping in the same frame.
Mind pointing out to me which of these are operationally fielded?
You might want to work on your contextual searching skills.
There are 15 registered MiG-15s in North Korea, and they reportedly haven't left the ground in 20 years. The rest are lined up to be trashed.
Kanyiko@reddit
ANY plane that is 'primarily used for training' can be prepared for combat if needs. During the Cold War, the RAF had its BAe Hawk trainers, the French, Belgian and German air forces had their Alpha Jets, etc.
We only need to look today at Ukraine to see such further examples. If anybody had told you or me that Zlin Z-37T's would be used in combat in a high-intensity battlefield scenario a year or three ago, we probably would have scoffed - instead, we're now seeing them used with gunpods and R-60 Aphids to hunt drones.
There's little imagination needed to see these old MiG-15s used in some combat capacity if the need ever arose - even as unmanned, remote-controlled 'suicide' drones with a minimum of work.
Stegosaurus69@reddit
These are the arguments I'm here for 🤠
mandalorian_guy@reddit
They absolutely do. They got obsolete Chinese and Soviet Fighters as aid in the 60s when the MiG-21 was the new hotness and they never really replaced them, they only augmented them with MiG-21s in the 80s when the Soviets switched over to the Flanker family. Since then ITAR has frozen their air force aside from a few MiG-29s the Russians slipped them.
The Norks don't throw away anything military.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
I couldn't care less what happened in the '60s, MiG-15's aren't operationally fielded today.
They've thrown away over 5 dozen MiG-15s so far, so much for not "throwing away anything military".
ChevTecGroup@reddit
Everything they use is for training. As they haven't fought with planes in 60 years. Cuz they know they'd get blown right out of the sky
ProofArm7605@reddit
North Korea actually has wooden models of their MiGs to make it seem like they have an Air Force. There’s an entire video of a North Korean defector talking about it.
Loud_Profit6575@reddit
Outdated technology
ChristianFroehling@reddit
Old
Natural_Glass_3562@reddit
Scrap 15
blastcat4@reddit
Sure they're beyond old but I love jets from that era! Would love to see one up close (in a display).
NoSwimmers45@reddit
There’s on that regularly flies on the US airshow circuit. A few museums have them on display across the US as well.
blastcat4@reddit
I remember the Mig-15 they had at the Australian War Memorial. It's really interesting seeing them in person. Some of the planes from that era a lot smaller than I pictured!
seaikh@reddit
That airfield is in Wonsan, I was in a summer youth convention in '95 in the "int'l children's camp" about 8 km NW from that airfield. They had about 400 students from 15 countries in that summer school. Saw an ocean for the first time in that camp- the camp had a private secluded beach. Brought back some memories.
I still have a pic of my visa from that time
mikki1time@reddit
The entire airforce
carpetsoop@reddit
In North Korea? Non operable
HeartwarmingFox@reddit
Most likely wooden models to intimidate the enemies.
kosmokosmokosmo@reddit
Old
Ubisoftplz@reddit
9.0 MiG-17
Motor_Show_7604@reddit
When I was in the military, we called that a target rich environment.
GITS75@reddit
Dependent_Ad_7658@reddit
Prolly Mig29's
Some_Distant_Memory@reddit
Why are they blocking a taxiway?
CPTMotrin@reddit
Not to worry. Nothing moves on that base anyway.
kevfefe69@reddit
Very high tech for North Korea
Thatsnotbutterbuddy@reddit
Target practice for 5th and 6th gen aircraft
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
F-5s
StormTheDragon20@reddit
Disclaimer for everyone before you start downvoting, u/PsychologicalGlass47 is talking about the Shenyang F-5, not the Northrop F-5.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Common sense isn't all too common sometimes
It's an amalgamation of everything horrid, to call it a MiG-17 is a disgrace to actual MiG-17s.
Raguleader@reddit
I wouldn't blame folks for getting confused. The designation systems used just within the US military have caused enough confusion as it is. On the US roster we have the F-5 Freedom Fighter (Vietnam era fighter jet), the F-5 Lightning (WWII recon bird), the F5F Tigercat (late WWII naval fighter), the F5U Flying Flapjack (prototype naval fighter from the start of the Cold War), and probably others I'm not familiar with.
Kanyiko@reddit
Not to mention the Martin B-26 Marauder and the Douglas B-26 Invader.
Raguleader@reddit
Don't get me started on that topic.
Appollow@reddit
11 June 1948
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Granted, F-5 Freedom Fighter was part of the newly standardized names for the time, unlike the F-5 Lightning, F5U, and F5F.
Raguleader@reddit
I love the edge cases, like the F-110A/F-4C or the fact that the F-111A somehow slipped past using the old numbering. Probably at treetop level pulling Mach 1.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
I know that the legacy navy naming convention had a plan for the Aardvark, but for such a revolutionary aircraft it's nice to see that it's even more unique in its name.
Raguleader@reddit
I guess it could have been the F12F if Grumman were the lead on the project, but I don't think General Dynamics had built anything for the Navy before so they wouldn't have a designation yet.
WarthogOsl@reddit
And both G and D were already taken as manufactured codes, so they'd have to come up with some nonsensical letter for it.
Raguleader@reddit
Well, there was an unrelated Grumman two-seat fleet defense fighter that could have been the F12F, making the F-111B potentially the F13F and the F-14 the F14F 😂
Unusual-Pumpkin-7470@reddit
The tigercat was designated F7F. XF5F was a prototype named the “skyrocket”, and is a much weirder looking plane which never entered service.
Raguleader@reddit
D'oh, good catch.
itishowitisanditbad@reddit
I appreciate this stuff.
I'm interested but have very little knowledge on all the naming conventions and types.
I know most people here might be much more knowledged but some, like me, just think planes are neat.
Zrkkr@reddit
There is no such thing as common sense or else no one would get burnt cooking.
Raguleader@reddit
To the contrary: Burning yourself while cooking is how you develop common sense. That's why the saying is "Once bitten, twice shy."
WarthogOsl@reddit
Burn me once, shame on me. Burn me twice................ not going to get burned again.
Zrkkr@reddit
Once you say "you develop common sense" you're just using it as a stand in word for knowledge.
Common sense is universal information/knowledge everyone should know by nature. And that doesn't exist.
Raguleader@reddit
Bingo. People learn from their mistakes, from observing other people's mistakes (why the US military uses crash footage to teach pilots stuff like "the B-52's wings cannot generate lift if you bank past 90°, as demonstrated by this highly experienced aircrew at Fairchild AFB in 1994"), or from being given instructions, whether in labels, manuals, or spoken.
AnalBlaster700XL@reddit
Big Warning Label industry hate common sense.
RunYoAZ@reddit
AnalBlaster700XL knows his warning labels.
Overwatchingu@reddit
Somebody makes decent money printing DO NOT CONSUME on every bottle of bleach, don’t interfere with their livelihood.
Matt-R@reddit
You mean Mig-28s?
spectrumero@reddit
They are anicent, that's what they are.
Greg-stardotstar@reddit
A fighter designed in 1952, still in service 😮.
Would love to see them in action against the F-35s, F-15s and F-16s of the South Korean Air Force….
Texas_Kimchi@reddit
Imagine Mig 17's vs F22's or F15EX's. Would be a blood bath.
ksmigrod@reddit
On the other hand, operational MiG-17s under direction of rudimentary airborne radar would be economical response to large drones (think Shahed sized).
chuchoelmaximo@reddit
Flys lined up to get swatted 🥴
MrSssnrubYesThatllDo@reddit
Flying Lada lol
spin_kick@reddit
I would own a mig 17 or 21 if I didn’t have to pay the upkeep. Imagine how fun
spin_kick@reddit
MiG 15s probably with not modern but post Korea upgrades
chaisso@reddit
The F-35 doesn’t have a chance against these!
Personal-Narwhal6144@reddit
Broken
Plastic-Serve5205@reddit
Targets.
colonelc4@reddit
NK uses a lot of fake wood planes so...
Trainzguy2472@reddit
Belongs in a museum
ExpertIntelligent285@reddit
Targets
cmearls@reddit
NMC Red X
SnooFoxes3615@reddit
Old 1970’s migs
carlosdsf@reddit
Older than that. The MiG-17 started replacing the MiG-15 in the mid 50ies.
SnooFoxes3615@reddit
Oh wauw. That old. Thought these saw their golden years during vietnam. So even older. Sk what is Korea still doing with these? Trainers? Target planes? Or a demo team? Or is that the deplorable state of the Korean air force?
carlosdsf@reddit
The RoKAF is a flying museum with a few relatively modern planes (MiG-29 and Su-25) in a sea of old junk.
DadKnightBegins@reddit
Relics
Droyd97@reddit
, z😁s ex
SilentTX@reddit
Paper tigers
unsightly_buildup@reddit (OP)
Here are some more at the same airport. I'd thought the airport was brand new - built for the strip of hotels N.Korea just finished (Just east of here)
Endo1002@reddit
More Mig 17s and a bunch of Mig 21s (my war thunder skills pay off)
carlosdsf@reddit
The JJ-5/FT-5 is the MiG-17UTI the russians never made. It's a chinese creation.
prairiedawg1912@reddit
Low priority targets.
jbritto18@reddit
Those are balloons bruv.
literallyjuststarted@reddit
Latest model MiG-17 state of the art and the terror of the western world
If you let N.Korea propagandist fool you.
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
Shenyang J-6. More likely than the Mig-17 people are saying. Licence built with some modifications.
PsychologicalGlass47@reddit
Ah yes, the single-engine J-6.
RogueSoldier10012@reddit
One of the most advanced fighter jets in the world…
circa the early 1950s. This is either a squadron of MiG-17s or Chinese-built copies, J-5.
StormTheDragon20@reddit
They are MiG-17s, but for some reason look a lot like F-86 Sabres.
Anonymous_Koala1@reddit
its the shadows and angle making them look pointy
chubsmagooo@reddit
Their entire Airforce
JeffSHauser@reddit
Obsolete.🤔😂
MoeSzyslakMonobrow@reddit
They were obsolete 50 years ago. Now, they belong in a museum.
JeffSHauser@reddit
It's so damn hard to get parts for them aeroplanes.
JBN2337C@reddit
Dr. Jones, is that you?
Enough-Animator9931@reddit
I actually think that these ones are deceit paintings
TK-329@reddit
definitely mig-17, wing sweep angle changes halfway down
Flying-Toto@reddit
Mig 17.
Mig 15 has shorter wing with less angle compared to the fuselage.
TollBoothW1lly@reddit
Mig-17