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A case against agentic coding
Posted by Low-Strawberry7579@reddit | programming | View on Reddit | 132 comments
A case against agentic coding
drislands@reddit
The irony of claiming AI is helpful with grammar, and to have used it on this very essay, only to repeatedly use the wrong "it's".
KontoOficjalneMR@reddit
Don't forget about AI image to illustrate the point :D
burner-miner@reddit
The old PC? That's a real image. The details are too coherent. AI would meld the keys together or make the coiled cable inconsistently.
KontoOficjalneMR@reddit
Oh, looks like I've indeed goofed up on this. It had such an AI feel that I just assumed.
epicphoton@reddit
Strong Bad taught us this years ago. "Iiiiiif it's supposed to be possessive, it's just I-T-S! if it's supposed to be a contraction it's I-T-apostrophe-S! ... Scallywag."
SiliconUnicorn@reddit
To this day I sing this every time I need to figure it out
Measurex2@reddit
Here i go once again with the email. Every week, i hope that it's from a female.
Oh man!
It's not from a female.
Good ole Strong Bad
Low-Strawberry7579@reddit (OP)
I was corrected on this once (“it's -> its”), but completely missed it. Since it’s the top comment, I’ll remember now 😂
Deranged40@reddit
No you won't. And nether will your LLM
In_der_Tat@reddit
Sounds nefarious.
TheJodiety@reddit
doctor
vazgriz@reddit
"It's" should mean "possessed by it". Style guides are wrong on this one
zeekar@reddit
I'd argue we never need the apostrophe for possession. Old English did fine just adding an -s with no punctuation.
UloPe@reddit
German is still that way (of course there are several exceptions to this as well)
cake-day-on-feb-29@reddit
No, because you read "it's" as "it is"
"It's a syntax error"
Versus
"It's syntax is confusing"
"It is syntax" makes no sense, because it itself is not "syntax" (it would be a language or specific language feature, in this case).
vazgriz@reddit
I don't read "The programmer's work" as "the programmer is work"
I stand by my original claim.
TheFriedPikachu@reddit
Making up your own grammar rules so you don't lose an argument is absolutely crazy work
WoodyTheWorker@reddit
Also he's and she's?
Elegant-Sense-1948@reddit
What the fuck?
QuietFridays@reddit
It’s not a style guide wtf. It’s just basic English
vazgriz@reddit
I'm a radical descriptivist
Schmittfried@reddit
Feel free to continue the fight against the windmills of illogical human language then.
vazgriz@reddit
I don't like this windmill. It's long arms frighten me.
epicphoton@reddit
Here's the way to think about it that will make sense. It is a pronoun, like he, she, they, me, we. His, hers, theirs, mine, ours, are all possessive pronoun (or possessive adjective) forms of those pronouns. None of those words have apostrophes. Its is the possessive pronoun/adjective form of it, and should also not have an apostrophe.
Meanwhile, most contractions have apostrophes (many slang contractions drop the apostrophe): can't, shouldn't, hadn't, he's, she'll, they'd.
You can demonstrate possession without an apostrophe and do all the time. Contractions usually have an apostrophe.
vazgriz@reddit
Your word's simply slide off of me
firebeaterr@reddit
please use chatgpt :')
Pfaeff@reddit
I always read "it's" as "it is", and it physically hurts me every time someone gets it wrong.
CautiousRice@reddit
A moment will come where the tech CEOs will have to prove the agents can completely eliminate humans.
DaveLLD@reddit
Going be very interesting to see what happens when people have to pay what these models actually cost to run.
bennett-dev@reddit
Meh. Seems like something easily commoditized. I suspect models like Opus 4.1 already reflect proximity to a ceiling of what can be reasonably accomplished without magnitudes more compute, and then the only matter is refining them to be more efficient, modular, etc.
DaveLLD@reddit
To be fair, we don't know how much this costs, but at the rate they are spending money and like the cloud of information we have, I suspect they are selling the tokens at a significant loss. The models are getting more expensive, not less.
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS@reddit
Right because they’re in the land grab phase. If they’re worried about efficiency and cost I imagine they won’t have that much trouble adjusting
creuter@reddit
You "imagine they won't have much trouble adjusting?" Based on fucking what? Vibes?
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS@reddit
The lower fidelity models exist right now. What’s stopping them from employing them now beyond the drive to acquire users by having the best one? DeepSeek is also out there as a model explicitly designed to be more frugal.
DaveLLD@reddit
What's happening in AI is unlike anything before outside of maybe WeWork or The dotcom bubble. New models are only incrementally better.
RICHUNCLEPENNYBAGS@reddit
Well that’s all the more reason the incentives look different in a more stable world isn’t it.
Interest-Desk@reddit
And/or if the IP law landscape doesn’t end up favourable. Cursor might go bankrupt if they’ve agreed to indemnify their enterprise users.
Character-Engine-813@reddit
I think they can provide the current (or slightly smaller) models and just about break even, training new models is really expensive so that seems to be where a lot of cash is getting burned. Google has TPUs for inference which gives them an advantage there.
Kered13@reddit
Wow, so much negativity. I thought it was a good article.
thewormbird@reddit
Don’t disagree with the AI doomers.
svenz@reddit
I’ve been experimenting with AI vibe coding and I feel myself getting stupider by the hour of using it. If this is the future of coding I’m gonna nope out soon.
Exclu254@reddit
Sorry you are heavily getting downvoted in the comments, just wanna say I appreciate this post, and I agree with you, use A.I but at least, you should be the driver with sufficient knowledge of what A.I is producing.
Low-Strawberry7579@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the kind words. No worries, this post pulled some incredible numbers when I expected maybe 10 upvotes and 2 comments 😄 That alone is enough for my ego, so I don’t mind the downvotes in the comments
bentleyk9@reddit
Guess we can look forward to more blog spam bullshit in the future
Exclu254@reddit
Great mindset man 👍🏾
snotreallyme@reddit
This kind of thing reminds me of people in the 90s who didn't use IDEs because the Intellisense was going to weaken your recall of API and syntax. If you're not taking advantage of AI in coding you WILL get blown away and be the ones who are unemployed because of AI.
greenmoonlight@reddit
There might be some people out there who get a performance boost from advanced AI autocomplete, but there are definitely also lots of developers who just turn on the autopilot and have no idea what's going on.
When I did a sprint with heavy AI use I could sense my mind get foggier and I had a worse grasp on what my software was doing, and just reading the generated code felt like an insurmountable obstacle. I tried my best but at least for now it didn't improve my productivity, and made me a worse programmer.
If agents actually become good tools for me some day, I guess I can pick it up again when we get there. For now I'm measurably not getting blown away by other devs.
pyroman1324@reddit
Skill issue
greenmoonlight@reddit
Do you have any recommendations on how I could learn and eventually change my mind?
pyroman1324@reddit
If you follow these steps in sequence you should know what’s going on in your code
greenmoonlight@reddit
I've been doing step 1 for a decade. I know how to read and write code. AI just made it worse for me.
pyroman1324@reddit
Skill issue
AlexeyBelov@reddit
Yeah, what the other user said. It's not actionable at all.
Also, it is essentially a light insult from the gaming subs, it has no place in serious discussion.
pyroman1324@reddit
If you genuinely tried to use it and couldn’t find a single way for it to improve your workflow your pretty dense
AlexeyBelov@reddit
Can we please not insult people? I made no statement on my AI usage in any case.
I think the other user's point was (and mine as well) that a few actionable suggestions were expected instead of just insulting other users with very low quality phrases. You've been on Reddit for 9 years, you should definitely know better.
greenmoonlight@reddit
Not helpful, sorry
cujojojo@reddit
The brain fog is real, man. I have to really focus myself to keep from falling into a vibe-core haze and just scroll reddit while mindlessly clicking Accept.
BUT — I’m one of those people who has gotten a massive boost out of AI. We’ve been instructed to use it exclusively if we can do so; my company is all-in on “figure out the best way to lean into this ASAP because it’s the future and we don’t want to get smoked.” All the way down to having it write commit messages and pull requests.
And what I’ve concluded is it’s not exactly just a “brain fog”, it’s also me having to adapt to a new way to work. My AI assistant is like the world’s most enthusiastic junior dev. If I give it clear requirements and guidelines (maintain a good TODO list, record progress as you go, always keep tests up to date, check in with me after each step), it writes code roughly as good as mine, WAY faster, and generates tests and documentation that are light years better than my lazy ass ever would.
So I’ve concluded that that “fog” I feel is really no different than when I have a junior dev working on something and I let it kind of get away from me. It’s on me to make sure that doesn’t happen, and once I framed it that way I started to lean into it a little more.
greenmoonlight@reddit
I'm not ready to draw definite conclusions but an AI agent definitely feels different from a junior dev. Purely from an experiential point of view I'd rather compare the agent to a slot machine than a team member.
A junior doesn't put my mind in the fog, they share their enthusiasm and energize me. The AI definitely writes faster but I'm sorry to say they write way worse than me and probably worse than a junior too. It's also hard to review changes made by the AI because the statistical model makes average code that often looks and feels right, but rarely is as airtight as it looks.
returnofblank@reddit
Using AI is easy, knowing why code works isn't.
I think the world would be a lot better if people started questioning why things are instead of accepting them as fact.
isurujn@reddit
It's not a fair comparison though. The IDE's didn't just blurt out an entire "solution" to your problem. You still had to do the work. That's not the case for using LLMs.
lost12487@reddit
Yes, I’m sure the industry of extremely smart people who write code for a living will struggle to figure out how to use AI-integrated IDEs if they ever become necessary tools. How do people fall this hard into these hype trains?
TheCritFisher@reddit
Honestly, I'm one of the guys who was very against using agentic coding tools (I still have "vibe coding). But I dug deep into trying out Claude Code recently and I'm shocked. It really is a game changer.
With a proper engineer at the helm, good prompts, and solid tools it is an incredible way to write software. It's like having a pair programmer 24/7, granted they're overly active and prone to going off the rails.
All that said, I really do think that those who don't embrace these will fall behind. This is with 20 years experience, mind you.
lost12487@reddit
They'll fall behind, and yet you somehow figured it out. Sounds legit.
TheCritFisher@reddit
I wasn't implying I'm special, but ok. Clearly you wanna fight.
My claim is simple: if you refuse to use AI you will fall behind eventually. But you can try to twist my words into whatever you want.
There is no "necessary" state for these tools, since they're enhancers. It's like saying IDEs are necessary. They're not, but they help a lot of people.
Coding agents are similar, yet with a more profound impact (in my opinion).
lost12487@reddit
You’d owe me a nice steak dinner then. I’ve tried Cursor, Windsurf when that was still a thing, even Trae (on a dummy project on an isolated machine lol).
I’d be curious to hear what type of stuff you’re working on where they’re a “force multiplier.” In my experience, the second you get outside the box of IaC config, mediocre unit testing, or insert common task in Python/TypeScript, they fall over pretty hard.
I never said they aren’t useful, I said they aren’t necessary. Any time I’ve saved using these tools has been added right back having to get it to stop hallucinating or debugging obviously incorrect code.
If it works for your use case, that’s awesome. I just get annoyed at the absolute doom posting hyperbole of “use it or get left in the dust” for something where the learning curve is as shallow as a puddle compared to making it through a CS degree and actually getting good at writing software. Like, I’ll just go get good at “prompt engineering” in a couple of weekends if I’m job hunting and every job listing requires it.
TheCritFisher@reddit
Fair, I guess I'd owe you a dinner. Granted I do think Claude Code is a much smoother experience than the tools you mentioned. I recommend you try it.
That said, I work on quite a few things, but it's most excellent at very small, well-defined tasks. Something like "hey I want you to remove a package for me, see what's using it" when run in planning mode (this is why I love Claude Code, honestly) it spits out a bunch of steps it wants to take. I'll add some context, tell it to stop at step 3 and check in with me, etc. Then off it goes.
Assuming you give it good instructions and a reasonably simple task, it gets it really close to right. I save hours on menial things like this. It can also help with research. Using decent MCP servers with things like Context7 helps me peruse through documentation like a monster. It's really amazing at that.
I fully agree they aren't necessary, but I believe that the more they mature the more useful and powerful they will become. If you look back to when GPT-3 released to now the differences are stark. In 5 years, it may well be necessary to be competitive in the market. But that's just a theory.
I don't think I posted any "doom"-like hyperbole myself, so I feel like you might have taken out that anger on my post. I'm not claiming with any certainty what the future holds. All I'm saying is that these tools are very effective in the right scenarios and I expect that to become more and more true as time goes on.
mlitchard@reddit
I swear I’ve removed a few man months with Claude. I concur!
TheCritFisher@reddit
It took TWO engineers I really trust (both ex-FAANG) to push me into trying it. I don't regret it. If anything, I'm sad I waited so long.
mlitchard@reddit
The way I use it, only the latest Claude models help me, so I was just in time
TheRealWorstGamer@reddit
The main issue I have with AI is that right now companies are literally tracking how much you use AI as if to make a quota. The other point I would make is AI is a maintenance nightmare if developers can't explain parts of a codebase/generally it works and why it was implemented that way how are they supposed to work on it in the future?
firebeaterr@reddit
whats stopping you to just feed it long running but low impact tasks where its bound to get stuck again and again?
John_Lawn4@reddit
People who overuse Ai aren’t going to develop any intuition or learn anything
alien-reject@reddit
Learning takes time. Why Learn when it’s readily available? Sounds more like a philosophical issue than a technical one.
John_Lawn4@reddit
🙄
jonatansan@reddit
They had a point though. I have many colleagues that can’t read documentation even if their life depended on it. They were "vibe coding" because LLM existed and this whole AI boom only worsened the problem.
TheRealWorstGamer@reddit
How do they get work done? I never understood how people can get away with not reading documentation do they just rely on examples in the codebase?
Additional_Path2300@reddit
They flail. They'll find some way to make something work, then stick with it and make bad assumptions. "This works and I don't know why" type of thing.
Inevitable-Plan-7604@reddit
Yep I work with someone who was told by his boss to experiment with AI. First thing he did was ship a bug and blame it on the AI. The week before he shipped a bug and blamed it on a previous dev, the week before that he blamed it on having too many projects...
Some people can't be made better devs
gigilu2020@reddit
Oh work gets done. Just not the right way.
jonatansan@reddit
Basically, and blame last devs when they copy/paste code snippets without understanding the context.
full_drama_llama@reddit
And these people who did not use IDEs were fired en masse or something? No, they were (and are) doing just fine. Because typing speed does not matter in the end.
wraith_majestic@reddit
Not sure why you're being downvoted... I bet if we go back and look at opinion pieces from back in the 90's we see exactly what you're saying. Hell I was a kid then and learning HTML in the mid 90's and I clearly remember doing tutorials that explicitly told me to use notepad rather than an IDE. I then have gone on to use IDE's every single day of my entire professional career and any boiler plate I wouldn't have learned because the IDE does it for me? Been incredibly rare for that to actually matter.
I'm probably about to get shit on "yes, but that one time in a million where you needed that knowledge you knew it!" My answer to that is: I go to my dentist for regular care etc. When I needed my wisdom teeth removed I went to a different kind of dentist. Do we need every programmer trained up to the level of a dental surgeon when they will spend their entire careers doing fillings and cleanings? Perhaps the answer is we need greater specialization?
TheRealWorstGamer@reddit
I think that the issue with AI is less that it supplements raw syntax and more so that people use it to supplement critical thinking.
CHADWARDENPRODUCTION@reddit
Supplementing critical thinking is a good thing, that’s the goal. Problems arise when it’s used to supplant critical thinking.
wraith_majestic@reddit
And the same thing was said when we as an industry mostly transitioned from low level languages and abstracted away memory management. I bet that argument is still ongoing and probably are the programmers currently downvoting me rather than having a conversation.
__nidus__@reddit
We as an industry? You mean the field you work in? Because last I checked everything that drives the world (OS and embedded systems) is still mostly C/C++. And its also tje languages I work in in my job.
Careful with the WE statements.
TheRealWorstGamer@reddit
Then use that as your argument rather than talking about IDE's.
wraith_majestic@reddit
I don't really see there is any difference. Its the same "its going to make them lazy", "its going to keep them from learning X", etc etc etc whether we are discussing abstraction going from low to high level languages or IDE's building boiler plate rather than hand coding it or AI writing all the fiddly bits and replacing the need for documentation in lieu of on demand explanations of code. It's all seems like same argument as far as I can tell.
TheBoringDev@reddit
Because if you relied too heavily on dreamweaver you’d end up with a website that didn’t really work and you’d have learned nothing yourself about how to fix it. Ironically kind of a good comparison.
DustinBrett@reddit
You are right
MrSqueezles@reddit
Sounds like you disagree with the title. The actual content of the article is about embracing AI and learning from it.
Nasmix@reddit
Hell I still don’t use ides. Just get in the way and slow you down.
But I realize I’m an outlier. It also depends on what type of coding you are doing - embedded or close to metal benefits imho much less from modern ides vs cli tools
Also I’m happily shouting at clouds
ItsYa1UPBoy@reddit
I literally just program RPG Maker plugins for myself, so there's no reason for me to use anything other than Notepad++ for actual writing of code, and Kate for jumping to errors (because Visual Studio was way too heavy for the very small use case I wanted it for). I'm not a great scripter by any means, but I do consult a lot of documentation when I do run into trouble or forget something. And an entire IDE is unnecessary for writing my JS because I just test the plugins in a playtest of my game anyways.
feketegy@reddit
this is a bad comparison
rlbond86@reddit
Found Sam Altman's alt account
TallestGargoyle@reddit
Using AI does not use your mind. You literally offload the thought process to a machine.
Learning with AI makes it harder to learn, because you don't think about the initial setup of a problem, or even conceive of possible solutions. It just spits out a potential solution. You could maybe ask for a list of potential solutions, but then you're just being told what to think about, not given any means to learn how to think about tackling a code problem.
IndividualParsnip236@reddit
Vt320 spotted.
NotTooDistantFuture@reddit
I’d love an amber CRT but I can never tell what can be adapted to be made to work on modern hardware.
Low-Strawberry7579@reddit (OP)
Good catch! Yess, I’d like to buy this piece of art someday
poewetha@reddit
This sum everything for me
Do whatever you want. Use AI for everything, use it just for certain issue, or for creativity blocker. At the end of the day it's your code. Decide how you ship it and be accountable for its success and faliure
WeedWithWine@reddit
People said the same thing about compilers.
I can’t believe some of these takes, when was the last time embracing new technology was the wrong choice? Less competition for the rest of us I guess.
thatpaulbloke@reddit
Did they? I've been programming since the 80s and I don't remember anybody ever objecting to compilers. Was this in the 60s or something?
chat-lu@reddit
There is one known guy from the 60s who objected. But even back then, he was in the minority.
WeedWithWine@reddit
All that time programming and never heard of google search?
https://vivekhaldar.com/articles/when-compilers-were-the--ai--that-scared-programmers/
https://blog.matt-rickard.com/p/the-age-old-resistance-to-generated
And recently:
https://medium.com/@puneetpm/the-dark-side-of-go-compilation-5-ways-your-compiler-can-betray-you-80ce3c09f7a5
thatpaulbloke@reddit
So two blog posts saying "people objected", but presumably these people only objected verbally since nobody seems to have any actual writings objecting to compilers.
The third link is particularly odd since it isn't objecting to compilers at all, it's just talking about the behaviour of compilers and how you need to be aware of it, not suggesting that anyone compile Go by hand.
I can tell you that I did compile both Z80 and 80286 assembly by hand and it was a fucking ballache that led to no end of bugs that took days to even find, let alone fix. The first time I got my hands on a C compiler was absolute ecstasy and the few occasions I had to do without a compiler after that I absolutely resented the stupid environment that I was in.
I've not used AI programming very much so far, but I can tell you that my first experience of Cursor made me exasperated and after spending a few weeks with it I've not felt the urge to go anywhere near it again - it added nothing of value, got in my way and wrote utter dogshit code that was almost entirely thrown away - a very different experience to compilers.
You might have had more success comparing AI to JIT languages and the endless articles that were written through the late nineties and early 2000s about how compiled languages would always be faster and always be superior, which turned out to be not entirely untrue, but not the dealbreaker in real situations that it was made out to be (because things like developer productivity, code portability and test cycle speed can often be more important).
thomasfr@reddit
At least as far as the into the mid 90s I used to hand write intel assembly to augment C or C++ code, the compilers were not as good as they are now and the CPUs was slow enough that the performance impact was big enough to decide if an algorithm was viable to use at all for low latency purposes.
I haven't really been involved in developing anything within the low latency space in a long while but I would suspect that assembly is still useful when you want to combine several of the heavily specialised CPU instruction in a specific way because compilers probably won't make that connection for you.
This does of course not mean that compilers are bad, even a simple macro assembler is probably considered a compiler. It is more a recognition that some times it is good to keep the knowledge of the low level stuff
thatpaulbloke@reddit
It's horses for courses, I suppose; last time I wrote assembler was about 94 using
debug.exe
and it was using the old DOS 20h and 21h interrupts to access files, display on the screen (using CGA) etc and then send PCL codes to a printer. It definitely wasn't noticeably improved in performance by using assembler against a decent high level language because:If you're writing applications that are doing billions of calculations in specific ways then maybe it might help, but I wrote C code for tiny little handhelds with 100x100 pixel displays and a few Mb of memory and they worked just fine. Retaining the knowledge of low level stuff can be great and useful (even now in my cloud based world I occasionally have use for things that I learned back in the 90s), but sometimes you remember it as "dear gods, that sucked. I hope that I never have to do that ever again".
hkycoach@reddit
Brother where to start?
VB6... Or any of the 'visual' programming tools... DreamWeaver, and Frontpage, made your HTML into unreadable, unmaintainable, non-performant garbage.
Any number of the MV* frameworks of the early 10s: knockouts, ember, fucking Silverlight...
There's just 6 that have given me PTSD after they were shoved down my throat by evangelists as 'the next big thing'. I could probably come up with a half a dozen more if I put any thought into this.
WeedWithWine@reddit
You guys just fundamentally do not get it. Switching your entire site over to dreamweaver or adopting the latest web framework is just a bit different than downloading an IDE with fancy autocomplete and the ability to help you with simple features and debugging errors.
Oh yeah man, last night I downloaded Cursor and then implemented the entire fucking blockchain because they are equivalent.
Polymer15@reddit
You can download an IDE with fancy autocomplete and use it without issue, but there of lot of devs who either don’t understand the limitations in the tools, or don’t understand the underlying code well enough to be able to maintain it.
The comparison to DreamWeaver is precisely on point. DreamWeaver didn’t invent a core technology, it was in essence an IDE with fancy autocomplete (the autocomplete was visual rather than textual). You and I could learn DreamWeaver, understand its limitations, and work with it in a way that didn’t produce a mess; but the vast majority of people using it didn’t understand its limitations, and didn’t understand the fundamentals of what it generated, so most DreamWeaver sites ended up being shitty messes.
LLMs for code aren’t a bad tool, they are great tools when used correctly. Just as DreamWeaver can generate absolute nightmares, LLMs can do the same. I’m an advocate for LLMs in development as they are an extremely useful knowledge resource and automation tool, but broad understanding of its limitations by developers is woefully absent. Being a dev in a FAANG(adjacent) company, where (I feel) developer standards should be set at a high bar, the slop I’ve seen in PRs recently is genuinely concerning. We’ve had numerous company-wide workshops on LLMs, none discussed their limitations and what you need to be wary of, things you need to know in order to use the tools properly. The unblinking trust I see principal engineers have in LLMs is mind blowing, to the point where if a question can’t be answered by an LLM, they almost give up entirely.
Sufficed to say, LLMs aren’t the problem; it’s their misuse, over reliance, and misunderstanding that is the problem
hkycoach@reddit
What you seem to not understand is that it could be far worse. The number of times I've had to deal with an idiot from 'the business side' who 'wrote an app' using nothing but Access or similar, and assumed that the rest of the work was trivial is far too high to not be wary of idiots with tools.
Sure, AI can be beneficial, but it can also be a giant pain in the ass when Pam from accounting starts using it to 'write code'. Or worse, when an entire generation of coders doesn't understand fundamental development concepts because they're not developers they're just 'prompt engineers'.
Clearly, you're too naive to really understand the implications of every Jr Dev never actually troubleshooting a bug.
WeedWithWine@reddit
Never did I say anything about non tech people using AI to write code or teaching juniors that blindly committing code cough copy and pasting from stack overflow cough is the future. None of what you described are new problems to this profession, you’re just changing the subject, maybe you feel more comfortable on r/conservative
thomasfr@reddit
If you embrace new technology all the time you will use up all your time on embracing new technology instead of getting the work done.
WeedWithWine@reddit
What you are describing are new technologies that require huge operational costs to implement. Years of man hours. Cursor and Claude code are developer tools that can make you more efficient as a developer with next to zero operational costs. Do you see the difference?
Ok_Individual_5050@reddit
If you think the operational costs from Cursor or CC are zero you have obviously never been tasked with reviewing the PRs generated with them. Either that or you have no eye for technical debt whatsoever
thomasfr@reddit
We don't even know what those services would have to charge to be profitable from the training on the model to providing the services to developers.
We really have no idea if they will increase the prices 10x or more in a few years or not.
crumb_factory@reddit
how about crypto / web3?
WeedWithWine@reddit
I said embracing new technology, not jumping on the bandwagon.
crumb_factory@reddit
what's the difference there? hindsight? lmao
WeedWithWine@reddit
Only clueless VCs bought into those. You have literally all the best and most influential programmers in the business experimenting with AI and admitting the value. The difference common sense.
tevert@reddit
You're literally pointing to influencers as proof that AI is cool actually, but it's not a hype bubble
Lol
WeedWithWine@reddit
Yeah ok dude. Enjoy your next boot camp. I hear cyber security is popping these days.
0xC4FF3@reddit
I wonder why
aristarchusnull@reddit
This is a very good take on the matter; better than most that I’ve seen. I think OP has the right attitude here. (I do agree that the title is a bit click-baity, though.)
JuliusFIN@reddit
I’m somewhat of a keyboard man myself as well, but I do still like my cursor.
MrSqueezles@reddit
Didn't appreciate the clickbait title. "Turn off Cursor", then says you definitely should use Cursor, but use it the right way.
Low-Strawberry7579@reddit (OP)
No arguing, that was definitely clickbaity
Downtown_Category163@reddit
The downvotes for telling people to think :(
Alex_1729@reddit
Hahah hey, I respect the honesty. Personally, I just don't click it, and same here. But you do what works.
Heffree@reddit
“Ask AI to list grammatical or stylistic issues in this essay and suggest improvements.”
Which it may do incorrectly and also cite incorrect reasoning, so you should really validate anything you attempt to learn from it. So you might as well go to a piece of source material and cozy up with it.
Low-Strawberry7579@reddit (OP)
There were so many errors that a few slipped through 😂 But honestly, AI is super helpful with catching them.
socialite-buttons@reddit
No