Power on stalls
Posted by counter465@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 19 comments
Checkride coming up and I was practicing power on stalls. I know you’re supposed to keep heading and be coordinated but when I was doing them, I kept uncoordinated to keep my heading. I had to hold left rudder sometimes to keep the heading but I was not coordinated. Is this good of what I did?
KrabbyPattyCereal@reddit
Use the clouds to keep your heading, not your heading bug. Don’t allow the airplane to get way off course and you’ll be able to use less correction.
Most importantly use a tiny bit of aileron as well as rudder if you need to. Students think that adding 1-2 degrees of bank will cause a spin but that’s not really the case and it’ll help especially if you’re looking outside as your body will kind of automatically do what’s necessary to maintain that point you chose
TheOldBeef@reddit
Try doing stalls with your flight instruments covered up, you don’t need them. Keep the wings level and stay on heading with the rudders.
Fantastic-Cheek-480@reddit
This, looking outside on power on stalls has helped my students tremendously. Using clouds above you, or the bottom corner of the windscreen is more than enough to keep coordination and heading.
eSUP80@reddit
Interesting I will try that. Always struggled with wings level as the ailerons lose effectiveness
TxAggieMike@reddit
It isn’t ailerons you should be using to maintain wings level.
Use the rudder and “tap dance” your way through maintaining heading, coordination, and level wings.
BigJellyfish1906@reddit
That sounds like you want someone to intentionally yaw the airplane away from coordinated flight just to maintain a heading...
TxAggieMike@reddit
You’re only going to yaw away if it is too much rudder.
And I’m not certain you comprehend the connection between rudder input and roll.
BigJellyfish1906@reddit
Rudder doesn’t make you roll if it’s coordinated…
TxAggieMike@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_roll
And You’re missing point of comment when performing stalls and stall recovery
BigJellyfish1906@reddit
I know what Dutch roll is. That’s not a factor with a stall recovery, or even a Cessna at all.
The point is you don’t uncoordinated the airplane to try to keep a heading. That’s bad advice. You do use rudder for roll control in a stall, but you using rudder to re-coordinate the airplane. If you’re rolling off in a stall, you are NOT in coordinated flight.
BigJellyfish1906@reddit
>I kept uncoordinated to keep my heading.
Dont do that. That is absolutely not what rudders are for. Rudders are for coordinated flight. Fix your heading with angle of bank.
Speaker-Designer@reddit
I like to imagine it like there is a real runway In front of me. The power on stall is there to mimic a stall on take off. Try not pitching up quite as much and holding off the stall for a few seconds longer. This might give you a better reference to the horizon. Its more difficult to maintain heading and coordination at a 30 degree pitch than 20 degrees. When i was new to flying i always got off my heading because i was too hyper focuses on the actual act of stalling the plane. Practice them enough where the stall itself is a non event. Then youll be able to keep track of heading and coordination better.
TxAggieMike@reddit
Not enough tap dancing on the rudder pedals. Your feet do have a purpose in this maneuver.
Use the corner of the side window to detect if the nose is twisting one way or another.
Use the Lindbergh reference to keep wings level.
Use the pedals and tap dance your way through maintaining heading and level wings.
Playful-Ad-9663@reddit
Look outside. It’s that simple. I swear it will make a huge difference
belugey@reddit
From what I'm understanding it sounds like you were probably coordinated but either may not understand what coordinated means or may be depending on the turn coordinator for that information.
In a dynamic situation like a stall entry the ball isn't going to move promptly enough to give you all the information you need - if your nose isn't drifting and your wings are staying level then you are coordinated and you are applying the correct rudder inputs regardless of what you are seeing on the turn coordinator. Look outside and use those cues.
I feel obligated to say that a lot can go misinterpreted reading your description and you should certainly trust what your CFI is telling you over what a random person on the Internet is saying.
counter465@reddit (OP)
Yes when I was doing the stall my wings were level and I was keeping heading, but I really didn’t have much right rudder in. I looked down to the turn coordinatator but it was showing I needed right rudder. So I was just confused in that situation
Frosty-Brain-2199@reddit
You’re probably not pulling straight back on the yoke. Regardless you need to stay coordinated more than you need to keep a heading.
Deep-Wolverine-4313@reddit
Stay coordinated with the rudders and use bank to control heading.
As you get slower the ailerons have less air flowing over them making them less effective but not completely ineffective. The wing root has a higher angle of attack so it stalls before the wing tip area, keeping the ailerons effective. Use small proactive corrections.
Once the wings have stalled, use your rudder to control wing drop/bank until you break the stall.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Checkride coming up and I was practicing power on stalls. I know you’re supposed to keep heading and be coordinated but when I was doing them, I kept uncoordinated to keep my heading. I had to hold left rudder sometimes to keep the heading but I was not coordinated. Is this good of what I did?
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