Should I get the Intel i5-14600kf cpu or go with something else for a new pc build?
Posted by Dry-Energy2897@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 66 comments
I'm trying to build my very first "Gaming PC" and I'm a Intel kinda guy, not that I hate AMD or anything I just think it's more reliable. Although, the the topic of my post here is about reliability I'm not sure if I should just go for it or not with all the long-term chip degradation stuff going on. Thank you!
MickeyPadge@reddit
Build a 9800X3D rig for gaming.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
I'm kinda in a tight budget here and there isn't much of a difference between the two(performance wise) AND the i5 is 50% cheaper than the ryzen 7 9800X3D where I live
No_Matter_3647@reddit
Don't let people talk you out of a 14600 if its 50% less than a 9800x3d its a no Brainer. Also who cares about upgrading as you will likely have the system long enough a motherboard change would be necessary anyways.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
exactly my point thank you for understanding lol everyone here just assumed that I care about future upgrades and cpu swapping
SphynxPorter112@reddit
Hey man, i know this is old thread, but did you end up getting your 14th Gen cpu? Hope you did. Dont worry about the AMD vs Intel debate. Yes theres better upgrade options with AMD, but that would be speaking for the people who desire to have the latest and greatest CPU every year (I think its abit overblown). What many dont realise is if you have a beast of a rig, its not something you’d typically have your mind set to. As long as you’re happy with your build, you would be way more occupied in enjoying it.
Some enthusiast like myself like to build something for several years, sell the whole thing (or part it out) for cheap once it’s dated then start a clean build with current parts at the time. Theres nothing wrong with that. Things like storage, psu or cooling wares thats can be salvaged great. Picking out a new bad ass cpu/mobo with a new flashy case is always fun imho. Just my thoughts!
No_Matter_3647@reddit
I have a few systems I play around with 14900k 7800x3d 9800x3d a 285k and a 225 system. I have a 5090. When I play games at 4k I cant tell a difference between any of the systems. Sure if I played at poverty spec 1080p with the 9800x3d id notice.
People get far too worried about upgrades when in reality people dont upgrade as much as some make it seem.
I'll throw this curve ball. What are you paying for the 14600....because with recent price drops some of the core ultra cpus are close to the same price and their performance can actually be better than the 14600
TheKitler@reddit
14600k isn't in the same tier as a 9800x3d so of course it's going to be cheaper. For a budget AM5 build, you should be looking at a 7500f/7600/7600x/9600x.
Dorennor@reddit
So if you want reliability, why do you want Intel, lol?
Intel for now is synonym for bad reliability.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
idk but I did some research and it says if I'm getting a new i5 14600kf out of the box it will be fine
Dorennor@reddit
If you want Intel that much - look at Core Ultra Series, at least it doesn't have degradation and power consumption issues (but still forsee than 7000/9000 Ryzens)
My advice: stop these bias against companies. No one big company is your friend so you need just buy the best for you, not something you prefer because of company name. This is not a constructive way to build a PC.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
I didn't say I'm an Intel fanboy my guy I just said that I prefer Intel over amd mostly because I dealt with Intel processors more than amd and I'm asking whether the Issue has been solved because the latest post I could find about this topic is 1 year old
Eeve2espeon@reddit
Ignore these people, they're hardcore AMD fanboys who are going off old information or misinformation. I know this thread is old, but either AMD or Intel will do you good and both have advantages and disadvantages.
AMD is better for gaming with a higher price, while intel is better for productivity and can be more energy efficient due to the efficiency cores, plus there is the fact intel LGA1700 all support DDR5, PCIE 5.0, and can often be found for cheap. Whereas AM4 doesn't support either, and most of the good stuff available for cheap, like the Ryzen 7 5700X or 5700X3D are either not worth the price or unavailable. Its a tactic AMD uses to push people to their newer more expensive platforms..
All of it depends on your own budget.
lordhooha@reddit
IT here I’d go amd and day over intel all the newer processors have been a pain.
Dorennor@reddit
As I said before: 1. If you have kinda biased but answer so why ask people? 2. Ryzens will be much better, in any way. Average performance - better, less stutters (which for example helps with UE5 games), consume less power, easier to cool - everything.
And as I said - I don't like to play russian roulette with PCs so buying of 13-14 gens is very bad idea.
GABE_EDD@reddit
If you update to the latest BIOS, it should be fine. But you’re still better off going AM5. Also you can’t tell what brand CPU your PC is using, just the performance you get from it. If you don’t go AM5 you’re shooting yourself in the foot.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
really good point actually, but I thought about that and that's why I'm going with a ddr5 mobo so I won't think about upgrading my rig anytime soon and even if I did I can just sell the whole pc and get a new one at worst. yes it would be better to upgrade one part at time but I think it's more than enough for me to play most modern games at 1080p with the parts I went with for my build
Eeve2espeon@reddit
Dead platform means nothing if that means all the 6P/8P core stuff is 2 times cheaper than whatever new crap AMD has
GABE_EDD@reddit
13th and 14th gen CPUs have degradation issues. It mostly has to do with the microcode in some BIOS versions sending the wrong voltages to the CPU and frying it.
You should be going AM5 not only to avoid that whole problem, but for better performance and better upgrade paths.
Eeve2espeon@reddit
Those were literally fixed months ago, way before this post
PM_ME_GRAPHICS_CARDS@reddit
i5 completely unaffected + those issues have been fixed (allegedly)
CHADSGALAXYS_ttv@reddit
Aslong as you update the boards bios before even loading windows on to a drive then you will be fine... I did mine the day I got it and have kept up with bios updates, I thi k 3 upto now since last October and I've never had an issue with my 14600KF on an Asus ROG Gaming-H wifi board. It runs super cool on a 360mm corsair AiO. And I'm not getting hardly any less frames in game than if I had a super hot 14900k. Mine is paired with a 4070 and is sweet man... Just set all intel defaults with the new bios and ya golden... From what I've seen it's more of a problem on the i7's and i9's, I've not heard of any degradation problems on the i5's so far... And like I say it's a beast of a CPU, paired with the RTX 4070 and 32GB 6000mhz DDR5... Runs cool, runs fast... So I wouldn't worry at all... aslong as you apply all the latest bios updates bro you will be good. The problem is as soon as some people hear 13th gen or 14th gen they jump on the degredation wagon... As it was the new in word in PC gaming a year or so ago. But hey, AMD have the same sorta problems with there big boy CPUS burning up and burning holes on the Motherboard socket so there the same in a way... Just because Intel have been impeccable for the last, what like 20 years i know of that I've been using them. It's not been until AMD came out with the X3D stuff and big L3 cache amount for gaming... The CPUS before the 5800x3d weren't that good at all. My mate had a 3600x and a 1700x before that and my Intel cpu equivalent I had at the time, mopped the floor with them even tho the AMD cpu had more cores. So yeah, I am an Intel fan boy, always have been, don't mind admitting that. They were top of the game for 2 decades atleast. But you go with what you want bro... for me Intel is what I like, there just allround beasts.... yeah, the new AMD X3D cpus are good For Gaming... But that's it right. Good luck with whichever ya go for brother, either way it will be good.
No_Matter_3647@reddit
That's about the most retarded take I've ever heard
UgotR0BBED@reddit
Being an “Any brand kinda guy” is a low IQ statement. Do some research.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
you didn't really have to say that honestly but I will answer you.. I did a lot of research, I've been doing so the last 4 months when I finally decided to build a new pc and all I got is that with the AMD cpu it's either budget builds or high-ends there's no in between and it is especially true because where I live the prices for AMD cpu are much higher for no reason
lordhooha@reddit
There’s a reason amd is higher priced. They smoke intel in every category hands down. Less power hungry, and better performance. When deploying machines I would try to push clients to amd based machines they’ve proven over the years to hold up far better and perform better. Overclock better and have better support.
Eeve2espeon@reddit
The price is not justifiable. You lot are defending 8 core CPUS costing 650 CAD. AMD does not smoke intel, they're only somewhat good for gaming, whereas intel is far better for multitasking and other stuff like content creation.
Downtown-Regret8161@reddit
Well, we saw how reliable Intel has been with 13th or 14th gen CPUs.
Now it should be fine and the 14600kf is very cheap currently, so a solid pick. But just keep in mind that you're stuck with this socket in case that you need to upgrade your CPU. AM5 is just a no-brainer at this point given AMDs track record of keeping AM4 alive and their low power consumption.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
it think it does the job for me, I mostly play e-sports title games so I won't be thinking about upgrading anytime soon and I'm getting a ddr5 mobo so it should be more than enough
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dduff21@reddit
To be fair, those issue affected i7 and it's so even without a bios update an i5 should be fine. But the 13th and 14 Gen intel's run incredibly hot
GABE_EDD@reddit
No, it’s all 13th and 14th gen CPUs that can draw more than 65W. Which includes the 14600K
CHADSGALAXYS_ttv@reddit
I don't think I've heard of any i5's having problems... Obviously the i7 and i9's yes totally. But intel will replace if you do have a problem.. But I did all the bios updates since last October, set to all intel defaults, runs at 181watts max. I've even undervolted from 1.350v stock down to I think about 1.180 or abouts, I never break 55c in gaming and about 65c at full chat on cinibench or OCCT on a 360mm aio without a contact frame, that one thing I wish I'd of put on from the start, would of been even cooler I think, but im sure its fine without. But yeah, super cool, super fast, never had one crash, blue-screen, nothing in nearly a year of getting it last October 24.
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I stand corrected, I thought it was just the 7s and 9s
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Ok_Beyond_4993@reddit
also mine stays cool at 30c idle, max temps are 75-85 on high load
Ok_Beyond_4993@reddit
i have one, its very powerful for an i5.
GonstroCZ@reddit
Not sure what do you mean, but Intel is the one whose CPUs were dying (talking about 13th/14th gen issues). AMDs AM5 platform is the best pick for gaming currently - their platforms lasts way longer than Intel's and have superior x3D CPUs. LGA 1700 platform is a dead one and you pretty much cant move anywhere in the future.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
I know that but it suits my needs just fine honestly, I'm not the guy that chases high performance every time a new gpu drop AND I'm getting a ddr5 mobo, I won't be upgrading anytime soon really
CHADSGALAXYS_ttv@reddit
Bro if you get the 14600k with say a 4070 like me, or even an AMD gpu, that PC will still be good and a beast in 5 years time. I love when people say it's dead end, ya gotta get a new mobo yadda yadda, like ya have to have the newest every year. Hell before I git my new 14th gen rig I was using a first gen i7 rig I had had in the cupboard for years as I'd sold every other rig in between, the was a first gen i7 from 2010 with a GTX 970... and I was playing pubg with upto 100fps on medium settings. Cpus don't just stop working, but these people just repeat stuff they hear and dont have the knowledge. That was a 14 year old cpu and motherboard, an old LGA 1366 rig, I even bought a XEON 6 core 12 thread cpu for 10 British quid. Same socket as first gen i7, and I got better frames and everything with that cpu and they overclocked so good, I had it at 4.3ghz with some 1866mhz DDR3 ram. But that just shows, rigs still work along time later. Unlike these peeps that say sockets are dead end, yes they maybe but pcs will go on and on for a long time. I'm betting my 14th gen will still be gaming perfect in 5 years time. By then I will pop a newer NVIDIA gpu in whatever out at the time and that 14600KF will push the GPU just fine even then.
GonstroCZ@reddit
With Ryzen 7600 / 7600x / 9600x you will get similar gaming performance and you will have an upgrade path on top of that... Who knows maybe in 4-5 years you will feel like upgrading and all you need is just to drop in the latest x3D gaming CPU and you might be good to go for several more years. So why would you just throw this option away?
What exactly do you mean that i5 14600KF suits your needs?
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
I mostly play silly games with friends that doesn't require a beast of a pc or esports title games like cs2 or valorant sometimes and I'm not planning on going pro to care so much about details like 1\~3% difference in 1% lows or I'm gonna cry that my pc can only run cyberpunk in 60fps instead of 80 or something that's what I mean and about ryzen cpus they're just expensive here while I found the 14600kf for a good price to, so I just wanted to ask whether it's a really bad idea to get the 14600kf or not and if there's a better choice (price to perf)
GonstroCZ@reddit
Can you please tell me how much do these cost?
i5 14400F / i5 14600KF
Ryzen 5 7600 / 7600x / 9600x
And what GPU are you getting btw?
Speaking purely about the performance, it is not a bad idea and i5 14600KF is still a very capable CPU nowadays. The bad idea is dead LGA 1700 platform. If the budget is tight and the price difference of AM5 platform is really big, then I guess you can go with LGA 1700...
But for example I can tell you from my own experience - a few years ago when AM5 was brand new and quite expensive I also decided to go with cheaper AM4 platform as I was convinced I will simply not upgrade the PC any time soon and the next time I will build a whole new one. (My previous PC was a potato so even AM4 was a huge upgrade for me). Nowadays when I look back I kind of regret not going with AM5 as I simply started looking for a better performance over the time and realized I am stuck with the CPU I have and that also limits my GPU choices a bit.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
-14400F 200$
-14600kf 320$
-7600 doesn't exist here at all
-7600x 340$
-9600x 400$
I haven't decided on a gpu yet there isn't much options especially for a brand new one.
And like you said I might regret getting a dead platform later down the road but at least it will be in 4-5years. I can become a millionaire in 4-5years who knows haha
GonstroCZ@reddit
Ok, speaking about price / performance value, i5 14400F could also be an interesting choice.
And speaking about i5 14600KF, up to you. For 20$ cheaper price you would get a bit better performance but a dead platform. If you really know you will not upgrade it, 14600KF can be a good choice. (The dying problems were mainly affecting i7 / i9 CPUs and after updating BIOS I would not be afraid at all that i5 14600KF would fry itself)
Past-Reason7542@reddit
I've recently been thinking about getting a new machine as well, and I'm currently considering making a choice between the 14600kf and the 9600x, I'm not sure what to choose, can anyone give me any ideas?
The_soulprophet@reddit
14600kf will have a five year warranty. Go for it if the price is right. I’ve had x3D cpus in both AM4 and AM5 and neither were any better than my Intel system in gaming. All about the same outside of a few titles at 1440p and above.
Doyoulike4@reddit
AMD stuff at the moment is just kinda better at most if not all price points unless you have specific productivity needs where Intel outperforms. If you're just really wanting Intel, on a budget I'd actually look for 12th generation stuff to avoid the potential degradation issues, or if budget allows get something like a 245k or 265k/265ks from the core ultra line. But I just wouldn't even shop 13th or 14th generation Intel unless you can get a really good warranty and it's a very competitive price.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
the main issue for me right now is that the prices here are not exactly good. for example, the ryzen 7600x is a valid pick for me it still offer 30% less performance than the 14600kf but God knows why it's about the same price
Doyoulike4@reddit
They're a similar price because honestly despite all the extra cores the Intel is a similar CPU in real word performance. Notably the Intel runs hotter and has higher power consumption under load, iirc the Intel's average power consumption under load is within 5 watts of the AMDs maximum possible, and the Intel can top out at around 40-50% higher power consumption. It's just a less efficient CPU design, it's using 14 cores to get comparable performance to a 6 core.
thestareater@reddit
I think you're kind of all over the place, how could months of research on the topic conclude that AMD is either budget or high end when they have multiple mid range CPU options both on AM4 (unupgradable platform that you also said you wouldn't care about a dead platform on Intel either anyway) and AM5? I'd say Intel has actually really fucked up the last two generations minimum, and that AMD has surpassed them in both performance, reliability and value for dollar, look into Ryzen 5 chips if you want something mid range, especially if it's for gaming. It seems that you simply want an Intel CPU which is fine, but you should also accept the higher risk of issues being present, and the fact that it'll be an inferior buy in this day and age.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
because of the prices, like I told someone here, where I live every single ryzen cpu with an x3d in it is crazy overpriced while the 14600kf is on sale and offer better price to perf. I don't have anything against amd I actually want to get an amd gpu but the prices are holding me from even considering it
thestareater@reddit
would waiting an extra month to save the difference in money be an option or worth it? what about a 7700x or a 9600x (the non x3d models), would they be much more expensive where you are, and is the price to performance also poor because of location?
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
it's not about waiting really... it's kind of a long story but in short we use blackmarket prices here (in case you're asking I live in Algeria) the 14600kf is priced at 42,000da (the best price you can find) about 320$, the 7700x which offers less perf ( around -10% less ) is 65,000da that's 500$ cpu, for that price I can buy the latest core ultra 9 cpu from Intel if I lived in the US or something
thestareater@reddit
what about the 9600x? what's the cost difference there?
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
and honestly I just wanted to know if getting a 14th gen intel processor right now is a crime because of the degradation problems and whether there has been a fix or not, since the last post I could found about the topic is 1yo
Noelan_@reddit
Go on the AM5 platform and you will thank yourself down the road.
AMD is actually more reliable now, I was sceptical getting my first Ryzen cpu (came from the i7 6700k to the Ryzen 3600x, then 5600x, then 9700x) amd has been more reliable for me overall highly recommend
Educational-Gas-4989@reddit
Yeah esp if you live in the us the 14600k at 150 is a great deal in terms of pure price to perf in both gaming and productivity
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
any ryzen cpu with an "x3d" in it, is overpriced here for some reason and I did consider many amd cpu before landing on the 14600k
Educational-Gas-4989@reddit
The main thing you are giving up by going with intel is upgradbility but if you are fine with that then it is a good purchase
Fun_Pension2889@reddit
I think the best thing you can do is be open minded and not exclude a whole brand with many varied products that all perform differently. That being said, you mention that you did your research and based on this have landed in the conclusion that Intel is more reliable than AMD. I respects your opinion / decision. Of course there isn't one right answer, otherwise the other brand wouldn't exist.
If you want to stick to around that price point and want Intel. Then 14600k is what you want.
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
thank you so much for taking the time to read my replies I really appreciate it! I honestly just wanted to know if it's safe to get the 14600kf now and if not what should I go with
Melliodass@reddit
Get an AMD CPU!
Rough_Bass_851@reddit
If you’re primarily gonna do gaming then get amd
Dry-Energy2897@reddit (OP)
well I'm thinking about getting an amd gpu, a high-end one even