[Gamers Nexus] AM4 Lives: AMD Ryzen 5 5500X3D CPU Review & Benchmarks
Posted by wickedplayer494@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 147 comments
Posted by wickedplayer494@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 147 comments
Healthy_Wasabi_8623@reddit
I have it, it's really good.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
I'm lazy why doesn't gamers nexus just have an average data slide
soggybiscuit93@reddit
My guess is because their business relies on YouTube metrics and if people just skipped to the slide, it could be financially bad for them.
Also, there's nuance that overall average performance can miss. Maybe a part excels/sucks in one genre of game specifically and it skews the average
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Maybe Steve needs to be more entertain so people want to watch the video for more than just the slide at the end.
theholylancer@reddit
If I'm going to pull out my own wallet I don't need entertainment, I want facts and figures
It was websites but now it's skipping around in YouTube videos and tpu reviews
Ltt and gn are both techtubers but hit different markets imo
This-is_CMGRI@reddit
I feel like he missed an opportunity to poach Emily Young out of LTT or hire them after quitting. They're a great presenter who has a similar tone but feels more engaging and speaks at a more measured pace. Look at the videos where Emily was host or the foil to Linus' energy.
Of course, I'm not sure Steve's ever gonna pull from LTT at any point in his career, but it's quite surprising how, despite his and his team's improvements in writing, the hosting stagnated.
GenZia@reddit
It's impressive how Google is acting more and more like a stereotypical monopolistic mega corporation of a cyberpunk dystopian world as of late.
Google search is absolute sheet, YouTube is getting sheetier, side loading (as we know it) is being killed off on Android next year, and Chrome is... well, Chrome.
That's one reason I've migrated to FireFox, switched to DuckDuckGo, and already looking into installing a custom ROM on my Android with zero Google crap.
And YouTube isn't half bad with UBlock + YT Control Panel but... I've digressed enough!
Vb_33@reddit
They've always been like this, the moment they made Chrome people called this shit from a mile away. They make money from ads they need as many people to see ads and all the things you listed can get in the way of that. Fuck, Google that's why I never used chrome.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
4.3 petabytes get uploaded to YT every day. I don't think Google's actions surrounding ads or YT Premium have been unreasonable considering that metric.
I pay for YouTube premium because its YT is my most used service. Don't mind the price vs the value.
I also dont think YT's stance on minimum watch time to count as a view is unreasonable. YT's algorithm is based around clicks - and as much as people say we hate click bate titles, they work. Thats more to blame on human nature than Google specifically imo.
But I do also think Google as a company sucks. They lack a unified, creative vision. They extract value from the few hits they had years ago while being unable to replicate past success. They dont care for a tight UX and overall attention to detail, and care only about having a "good enough" product to extract user data....
But realistically, only a massive company like Google that has other revenue streams based primarily on user data can even make a service like YT viable at all.
Also I played around with custom ROMS a lot back in the day. If I ever reach the point of taking the next step in de-Googling by life, I'd just switch to iPhone.
-Purrfection-@reddit
Don't forget constantly killing good products and somehow having 7 overlapping calendar or task services.
But yeah, I don't think YouTube could exist as an independent company. Not unless they dropped above 1080p resolutions and compressed everything to hell. It's insane that a free service provides 8K60 HDR upload and playback.
GenZia@reddit
Yet their business model is somehow self-sufficient...
GenZia@reddit
YouTube was self-sufficient the last time I checked.
Google isn't doing any of this out of the goodness of their hearts.
There's no such thing as free lunch, a simple fact most people seemingly lack the capacity to appreciate.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
That description made me think of Microsoft. Strikeout Google and replace with Microsoft and it's just as accurate.
GenericUser1983@reddit
I mean there is a reason Google lost three different anti-trust cases in like the last year or so (one over web search, one over their ad network, one suit filed by Epic games over treatment of third party stores); trials right now are going on to determine the penality Google will face, hopefully the DoJ follows through on some of their more hefty proposed remedies like forcing Google to sell off Chrome.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Your just being contrarian hopefully that's just youth as irrational contrarianism isn't a good look for an adult.
wpm@reddit
You're allowed to say shit.
wdym_you_people@reddit
breh your neck beard needs a trim
Gippy_@reddit
Benchmarks are missing the 5800XT which is currently around the same price as this. Would've been nice to include that to see if the 8-core non-X3D part is a better value. The 5950X is in the benchmarks, but you never know whether games will act funny due to the 5950X having 2 CCDs, and the 5800XT may boost to a higher clock speed.
Keulapaska@reddit
Why would you spend a 200 on a slightly binned non-x3d zen3 8-core? Like only ppl who think about am4 are ppl wth zen1/+/2 cpu:s and at that price point, why would you make that upgrade. The whole meme about the XT cpu:s is that it's $50 for letter and nothing else, can just manually OC a 5700X to be near the same or more/less cores for more/less money if you care/don't acre about productivity.
Just don't get a 5700 it's a 5700G without the IGPU, great naming amd!
Gippy_@reddit
The 5800XT has gone as low as $159 as late as last month. That's why. We're not talking about MSRP prices. The 5800XT hasn't been at MSRP price for a long while now.
The last 5700X sale on r/buildapcsales was 9 months ago. So no, the 5700X isn't easily available for cheap anymore, just like the 5700X3D and 5800X3D.
joojudeu@reddit
The 5700x is pretty cheap here in Brazil right now through amazon, in comparison to the 5500x3d that is costing more making It the x3d not worth it here
Ashratt@reddit
Better value for gaming - i don't think so
If productivity is a real concern, a high core count dual CCX cpu is probably needed anyway (I also don't think many who used am4 for productivity need/want to change cpu at this point)
sahui@reddit
Its awesome to see AM4 still alive, while Intel requires a new mobo for every generation...
dexteritycomponents@reddit
I mean this is no different than if intel released a 14599K with a 5% performance reduction to the 14600k… simply repackaging worse dies on a bad yield CPU isn’t anything special
detectiveDollar@reddit
Imo, the big draw is that AMD keeps manufacturing old parts for a long time, so new parts cause pricing to be pushed further down.
This puts pressure on the used market and older parts. It also means that there will be a much larger amount of Zen 3 in the used market relative to anything else. That reduces the "end of the line" proce creep that the strongest parts for a socket often have.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
Ye, for all intents and purposes AM4 died with the 5800X3D launch.
Intel will still be selling LGA1700 CPUs for years to come. Doesn't mean it isn't a dead platform, unless Bartlett Lake is actually launched for desktop.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
At least you can still find AM4 boards at retail at reasonable prices now. You cannot say the same about Intel platforms from 2017.
Pillokun@reddit
what no.... they are crap boards and ddr4 are getting more expensive and they are crap sticks as well. no good am4 stuff left, at least when I looked.
Username134730@reddit
Yeah the dual rank, Samsung b-dies are long gone. Also, there are not much AM4 mobo options too at this point except for budget B550 mobos out there.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
So what, so that the 10 people who has a motherboard that breaks long enough after purchases that had they gone Intel it would be EOL can get one?
That is a extremely niche positive. While motherboards do break more often than CPUs. They as all electronics follow the bathtub curve. If it didn't break in the first year of you owning it, it is not likely to break within the reasonable life time of the product either baring some glaring issue like the capacitor plague or specific design flaws with that model.
ActualWeed@reddit
Nah the 5700x3d because it was actually affordable.
salmonmilks@reddit
it is?
randomkidlol@reddit
it was selling for 200CAD at one point (~160USD?)
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
It was like $130 for Ali express at one point.
Chrystoler@reddit
For whatever reason mine was going to be 140 but they had it even cheaper with klarna, So I got mine out the door at 123, then I sold my 5600X for 80 bucks
All in all, a $40 upgrade, which is insane
Blueberryburntpie@reddit
I've seen someone claim they got one for $110 on Aliexpress.
ActualWeed@reddit
I remember it hitting 170 euros in the netherlands, the 5800x3d was never below 300.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
You are forgetting all the 1600X owners that still see any 5XXX series CPU as a great upgrade.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
And why is that? Because AMD started at a very low point. The 1000 > 5000 series jump is not normal in that time period. AMD started at similar performance level of Haswell, which was 4 years old at the time.
Reddit is heavily biased towards entusiasts when it comes to PC hardware discussions. People upgrade every other generation is not the norm.
Had you instead bought a 8700K back in 2017, you would still be using a chip that is perfectly passable today. Sure the fastest AM4 has to offer is considerably faster for things like gaming. But it is not nearly the same leap as someone who jumped on Ryzen 1. And is closer to "normal" progress in the 5 year period from 2017 until the last major AM4 launch.
Normally, most consumers would see no reason to upgrade in that time frame. If you bought a 7800X3D at launch, by the time that thing is obsolete for a normal consumer and they would consider a upgrade. You would be looking at a whole new platform. Because the last X3D chip released for AM5 will itself be old news by then.
dakjelle@reddit
But they don't
luuuuuku@reddit
they did, Q1 this year.
Exist50@reddit
Which CPU are you referring to?
luuuuuku@reddit
Intel released the Raptor lake CPUs, this time without e Cores. Just look at their website
Exist50@reddit
Are you talking about Bartlett Lake? So far, at least, those are just lesser versions of the 8+16 RPL die. Maybe some ADL mixed in there as well. Also not available at retail.
luuuuuku@reddit
Yes, that’s what I’m talking about. And no, they are available in retail
Exist50@reddit
Where?
luuuuuku@reddit
Pretty much everywhere. Just search for them.
Exist50@reddit
Should be trivial for you to do so. Give a Newegg/Amazon/whatever link.
luuuuuku@reddit
First result on Google for US shops (I’m not from the US, so you might find other shops): https://www.serversupply.com/PROCESSORS/Intel%20Xeon%206-Core/3.1GHz/INTEL/SRPLV_407969.htm
Exist50@reddit
That is:
a) Not a consumer chip.
b) Not even nominally Bartlett Lake. It's listed under the Raptor Lake family.
c) As far as I can tell, is reusing the original ADL 6+0 die, so it's not even really RPL...
d) The price there is hundreds over Intel's MSRP, much less an actually competitive price for 6c ADL.
luuuuuku@reddit
There are other, cheaper listings. What even is your point?
Exist50@reddit
Even if that's the case (and if so, why didn't you link one instead), it doesn't change any of my other points.
That Intel's not really extending LGA1700 like AMD is AM4. There's no new niche being filled, nor even price drops with a rebrand.
luuuuuku@reddit
Intel even did that a while ago, with their non e Core CPUs which were announced at the beginning of this year. So, basically the same, just a slightly worse version of the existing product. But in there no one cared
Pillokun@reddit
yep, remember that amd was not willing to enable support for the zen3 cpus on older mobos until the very end of the am4 platforms life. That was something that many including I thought was such a f-you to us that bought their platform.
Johnny_Oro@reddit
LGA 1700 supported 2 gens, not bad. Raptor Lake was a really strong upgrade except for the RMA rate. Yeah it's not like AM4 which supported 4 gens, but i5 Raptor Lake beats i9 Alder Lake in gaming. Very rarely we see such leap within a single gen.
LGA 1851 was supposed to support 3 gens but became a single gen platform because Meteor Lake-S and Panther Lake-S were cancelled, perhaps for a good reason, which is the chips were very mobile focused and scaled poorly on desktop as shown by ARL-S only achieving low 5GHz and poor ring clock speed and latency.
Considering intel's current financial difficulties, I'm sure it was considered a waste of resource to design and validate desktop chips that aren't amazing on anything but power efficiency. LGA 1851 still supports 3 gens on mobile, where power efficiency matters the most.
LGA 1954 will likely support 3+ gens again, like LGA 1851, but with all the products coming to desktop. The first desktop CPUs for it, Nova Lake-S, are definitely coming. The future gens reportedly will feature unified cores, which is good news for desktop. No more p-core/e-core gap.
Exist50@reddit
Aside from that, Mrs Lincoln, how was the play?
That's pretty normal, if not underwhelming, for a generational upgrade though? The gap between i5 and i9 in gaming is pretty small to begin with. Hell, depending which i5 you get, it's literally just the same ADL silicon.
LGA 1851 is a desktop socket. Mobile uses something entirely different. And what 3 gens are you talking about there? It's just MTL and ARL.
That's probably well after this socket's lifespan.
SoTOP@reddit
Not really. For Intel that happened with 11->12->13 gens, for AMD non X3D chips Zen+->Zen2->Zen3->Zen4.
Pillokun@reddit
proper ddr4 ram is very expensive though if u want that, or if u need a new am4 mobo well there are no good left to be bought. only a couple of meh models left in retail. At least when I sourced the retail channels so to speak.
sahui@reddit
That is the most negative thing I have heard about a platform having a 10 year longevity. You are good at finding small details in a sea of positive news. lol
Pillokun@reddit
there was a lot of negativity before am4 got obsolete. The biggest thing is that AMD did not want us to run zen3 cpus on older boards which they let us when the platform was end of line.
That was much more negative than the fact that fast ddr4 sticks and the vast amount of am4 boards that once were avaible are not anymore. How many owners of earlier am4 boards were forced to upgrade to a new board when they went with zen3 cpus when they did not really needed that at all.
That was negative, not that some components are rare now.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
There is Bartlett Lake. Same deal as this. Double interesting too that no one calls AM4 a dead end platform
rebelSun25@reddit
This is the main issue Intel needs to fix for me. Core2 duo was my last Intel they'll need to do what AMD does
SignalButterscotch73@reddit
Waiting for a special edition die-shrink of the 5800x3d as a last hurrah of AM4.
Pillokun@reddit
nah, zen4 or zen5 on am4 package. 100% it is doable.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
On ddr4 speeds??? You cant balance that even with l3 cache
SoTOP@reddit
Because Infinity Fabric is bottlenecking hard, there is limited benefit from DDR5 for Zen4 and 5. Keeping old Zen3 era I/O die would cost ~10% gaming performance for non X3D chips, even less for X3D.
Scion95@reddit
Isn't Infinity Fabric speed tied to memory speed though? At the same rate or half the rate or something? Or has there been some big change when I wasn't paying as much attention over the past few years?
sSTtssSTts@reddit
You can change the mem clock to IF bus ratio around however you'd need to.
It'd be fine.
STR_Warrior@reddit
I've been wondering for a while if Zen4 or higher could be back ported to AM4 by adding a HBM module as an L4 cache, but I'm sure the engineers at AMD already ran the numbers and it wouldn't be cost effective.
BrightCandle@reddit
I don't really get what AMDs strategy is here. They have gone 5800X3D, 5700X3D and down the stack to 5500X3D while the higher performing models are largely gone and not made anymore.
We get this while X3D is not coming to lower end CPUs in the 7000 and 9000 series, it can't be the case that this is a higher margin way to sell the cache silicon add-on.
Are AMD just trying to shift old poor quality dies they have laying around?
Scion95@reddit
Given that I thought the x3D packaging has a non zero failure rate.
Like, does breaking the CPU dies by putting the vCache on them allow them to write the broken dies off on taxes? While letting them sit in inventory unsold doesn't?
Like, obviously being able to sell them as working products is better, but. I mean, if the issue is they have unsold 5500 level CPUs, I would be more worried about. Breaking them with the die stacking, which I thought was something that could happen.
kikimaru024@reddit
Pretty much. Stockpile dies not good enough for 5700X3D and sell them late.
Gippy_@reddit
Pretty much. All of the newer AM4 CPU releases are low-binned CPUs. The exception is the 5800XT which is a slightly faster 5800X. (The 5900XT is a slightly worse 16-core 5950X, not a better 12-core 5900X, adding to the confusion.)
The 5600X3D has higher clock speed than the 5700X3D, but 2 less cores. So the silicon is better on the enabled cores. The 5500X3D has lower clock speed and 2 less cores, making it the lowest quality silicon of the bunch.
Method__Man@reddit
I'm waiting for the AMD 3100x3d
rubiconlexicon@reddit
Backport 3D cache to Bulldozer.
Vb_33@reddit
Would have saved bulldozer tbh.
Scion95@reddit
Having any L3 at all could probably have helped Bulldozer, yeah.
At a certain point though, the question becomes, if you make a big enough change to the architecture, when does it stop being that architecture and start being a new one?
Nameless_Member@reddit
lol. ive forgotten about bulldozer. I dont think ive ever seen one in person.
Scion95@reddit
IIRC, there were Excavator CPUs for AM4. The A12-9800 I think.
e0nflux@reddit
My first cpu was an amd Athlon 1.53ghz single core.
Then a phenom X 4 9850.
Then a fx 6100. (Bulldozer)
Pillokun@reddit
never owned a bulldozer/piledriver as at that time a phenom was just as good at the start of those fx cpu life and at the end intel was the only way.
But, my first proper pc was an amd k6 200mhz cpu, which was barley faster than my friends 120mhz pentium. But then athlon came out and omg... those were the times.
e0nflux@reddit
I went with my dad to buy a Compaq in 98 or 99.. it had an amd k5 533 mhz cpu. Lol. He spent 2500 on that pc lmao. It had 128MB SD ram. We had computers before that, like ibms and stuff, but I wasn't into computers then.
Pillokun@reddit
It was common here in Sweden as well, to get a pc via the job, here the biggest employer was Volvo/Saab and people from Volvo got to buy/lease whatever it was IBM Aptiva machines. A freind got a pention 75 I think and omg what a machine. But then the development started to move in a blistering fast pace. from 486 to pentium at max 120mhz to 1ghz and accelerator cards and then proper 2d/3d video cards. Now it kinda is at a standstill and only the Halo gpus are actually worth the upgrade but they are locked by the mega extreme pay-wall.
yep, those fx cpus were very meh, and even my friend that hates everything that is intel or nvidia used his phenom until am4 came out.
3G6A5W338E@reddit
Release a Socket 7 Zen CPU with massive 3d cache.
Opteron67@reddit
opteron 144
scheppend@reddit
I'm waiting for the AMD 3150c3d. Let's see how zen1 holds up
Blueberryburntpie@reddit
Or the 5950X3D being released right before Zen 6 drops.
Veeeris@reddit
0 threads
PrivateScents@reddit
I'm waiting for the budget Ryzen 3 2200G3D
EasyRhino75@reddit
Single core
ElephantWithBlueEyes@reddit
give me 5950x3d to replace my 5950x so it can catch up with my rtx4080 somehow
ButtPlugForPM@reddit
how has there been no 7600x3d or something yet
i think a 199 USD x3d chip on the 7 series would be an AMAZING seller
Keulapaska@reddit
There is 7600X3D, maybe not in 'murica, but in Europe it's available. Obviously not $199 cause why would it be the normal 7600 seems to be $185 USD and the launch price was $299 USD a year ago and it's currently ~$307 converted when removing tax here.
Vb_33@reddit
The 7600X3D launched in America as well.
fibercrime@reddit
it's not available worldwide :(
jigsaw1024@reddit
Yet.
AMD has done this in the past with regional or retailer specific launches before quietly releasing to the wider market after a few months.
DiatomicCanadian@reddit
Ehhh, Ryzen 5 5600X3D was Microcenter-exclusive and never became worldwide. If they had the stock to do a worldwide release I imagine they would have.
salmonmilks@reddit
same as 7600x3d, sad times
tomchee@reddit
7500x3d can be bought in Europe
GabrielP2r@reddit
TIL the world is US and Europe
tomchee@reddit
The point was that its not microcenter exclusive unlike 5600x3d
GenderGambler@reddit
You missed the crucial "never became worldwide" part of that comment.
tomchee@reddit
i didnt miss anything.
I never stated that its worldwide available. I only pointed out that its not microcenter exclusive, so i dont understand why are you trying to correct me so much...
salmonmilks@reddit
not worldwide
tomchee@reddit
Not worldwide yes, but not microcenter exclusive
makistsa@reddit
With those crazy fps we currently get, reviewers should focus more on 0.1% lows instead of 1%. 1% were good enough when average framerates were <60.
Vb_33@reddit
Yea 0.1% is better for sure. Frame time health would be best but only DF does that.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
The 0.1% lows are still crazy fps. At this point fps is a solved problem in non RT games.
DavidsakuKuze@reddit
Factory reject CPU that should not exist, on a stone age platform.
Atretador@reddit
and still matching Intel latest in games
inyue@reddit
It's also matching the AMD latest 9600x according to the graph.
Atretador@reddit
yea, pretty good huh
Pillokun@reddit
does it? 5800x3d lost pretty badly in hubs own testing when they tested with an 12900k and faster ddr5 sticks compared to ddr4 sticks.
I loved my 5800x3d and had no issues what so ever with what same say amddip, but my lga 1700 cpus including my 12700k tuned outperformed my 5800x3d which had tuned b-dies so even higher perf that we see here.
sunjay140@reddit
Remember the thread from a couple days ago when everyone said that Hardware Unboxed cherry picked the benchmarks to show that 6 cores CPUs keep up with 8 core CPUs. Funny how nearly all the benchmarks here show the same thing.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
The people claiming otherwise literally provided 0 evidence from their own hardware or any benchmarks from any reviewer.
"You're suppose to have 30 tabs open, 4k video, rendering a vid and benchmark at 720p"
sunjay140@reddit
Yeah, I looked into this very closely many years ago when choosing PC parts and found that the 5600X performed nearly the same as the 5700X and even the 5800X in most games. So too did the 5600X3D, 5700X3D and 5800X3D. And while games may have gotten more CPU intensive, the 9600X is still very good against 9700X.
Pillokun@reddit
omg people were down voting you...wth...
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
They all bought 9800X3D's and play at 4K and can't admit it was a waste of money.
X3D's only make sense if you are playing on a 5090 at 1080p and only play esports titles. For sane gaming it makes zero difference.
Pillokun@reddit
yep, I only play at 1080p/1440p lowish with an high end gpu/cpu. Actually had two 4090 but now I swapped over both of mine desktop system both intel and amd x3d to 9070xt because of how well they perform at lower res in bf6 beta and warzone.
Pillokun@reddit
i play with 2500tabs open with a video playing in the background and playing at the same time, even on the hexa core systems and the perf penalty is not at all that bad, pretty much the same perf as an octa core or if I enable the e cores, heck even worse with the e cores on.
But if u render a video or something with the cpu then I guess it gets a tiny bit better on the higher core count cpu, even though it would still make the game unplayable on a higher core count system but for less time than on a hexa core.
People dont understand how it works.
popop143@reddit
I thought that was known for a while now, in even some CPU intensive games only utilize up to 4 cores. That's why it was notable when BF6 beta showed capabilities of actually using all cores when playing.
I'd understand it if people are more afraid of the future when games suddenly release that has that capability, but in the meantime any 6 core CPU with similar spec should be similar in games with higher core CPUs.
Wait_for_BM@reddit
Even if the main event loop in those few games you play do not take advantage more than a handful of cores, there are lots of games now doing shader compiles.
Some new games (e.g. Sony, Unreal) do that at first run or after new GPU driver install, while better ones run it at the background (can cause stutters) and some older games do that between levels. Shader compile is using most of my threads in my 5800X and cut back of the wait time and possible stutters.
There are other things people do that requires CPU cores. e.g. emulation, virtual machines, video encoding. Silly to restrict yourself.
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
HUB has consistently claimed that new gen 6 cores are always faster than previous gen 8 cores, dont try to twist facts.
sunjay140@reddit
The 9700X is only 0.5% faster than the 9600X on average at gaming
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-9600x/18.html
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
Why are you bringing average when HUB literally brought one game?
sunjay140@reddit
Most of the criticisms were that the benchmarks were cherry picked because the video in question showed one game. Therefore, Unbox Therapy above as well as the 9600X review from TechPowerUp shows an average of games which corroborate HUB's claims.
In addition, HUB has made countless of those videos over the years and they had an average of the games. There is a clear trend in the data.
https://youtu.be/7L9rPNSuPCA?si=4zAgnP8t2z1OKEJN
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
Show me that trend on the 9600x HUB review vs 7700 where the former is significantly faster than the latter on average.
sunjay140@reddit
You can see it in the TechPowerUp benchmarks.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-9600x/18.html
Johnny_Oro@reddit
Zen 2 is 4 cores per CCX while Zen 3 is 8 cores per CCX. That means the benefits of more cores were nulled by die-to-die latency. All the 6 cores on 5600X exists on one CCX while 3700X is 2x4 cores.
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
Techpowerup is a garbage source for cpu benchmark results because they benchmark on low settings instead of max that are more cpu demanding.
Pillokun@reddit
nah man, it is not that simple. I have not found that many games that actually impact the cpu the higher settings u chose. not in say like bf and wz and the like.
Some games like say gta5 and cp2077 have settings that affect the cpu by increasing the crowd/ai/object population but that issue is not here in mp fps games.
No_Guarantee7841@reddit
RT/PT require more cpu power aside other settings like crowd density.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Whats happening to this subreddit man. TPU doesn't test on low settings.
Test Setup
960be6dde311@reddit
Looks like AMD's marketing department figured out how to make product focused videos instead of drama again.
BlueGoliath@reddit
YouTuber who never used AM4 long-term declares AM4 is the GOAT platform because AMD keeps releasing new defective CPUs to maximize profits.
Pillokun@reddit
well it is not that far off, but I would call it more like. Manufacturers gimps the model u want so that they can release a cheaper version of it instead of offering us the older model for less several years later because it would cut into the sales of the current gen models.
The binning costs money so I guess it is cheaper to just not trying to bin the old am4 cpus and just release them as the new sku with the new lesser binning.
soggybiscuit93@reddit
That is possibly the most unfavorable, disingenuous way to frame this.
If I ran a successful YouTube channel, and my career was to benchmark hardware and then edit the content - i wouldn't use AM4 either. I'd run a 5090 and at minimum a 9950X3D - possibly even Threadripper. But my career requires Office Suite, a web browser, and RDP, so I use a ThinkPad issued by the company. I'm also sure that GN/HUB probably don't have tons of free time to play games because they have to work more than 40 hours a week to hit their current release schedules.
As for "releasing new defective CPUs" - that describes pretty much everything that isn't a 9950(X3D) or 285K.
A more reasonable take like "the release of a 5500X3D doesn't mean AM4 isn't dead. It's just a limited release bin of an existing CPU to clear out the remaining inventory that didn't meet spec" - I'd 100% agree with you.
nepnep1111@reddit
I really hope that title shows up on dearrow because it's the only accurate title
BlueGoliath@reddit
>Look guys I know I only do reviews where I test CPUs for a few days with like 1-3 motherboards that are rarely updated with their BIOS revisions and are either off or are rarely on but let me tell YOU how great AM4 is.
Absolute cinema. Any sane person with a brain would ignore these tech reviewers.
sltrsd@reddit
Hi loserbenchmark, it sure is tough times for you 😘
BlueGoliath@reddit
I'm not associated with UB but that's a sitewide rule violation. Hope you get banned.
sltrsd@reddit
Your reaction speaks otherwise though 😂
BlueGoliath@reddit
...i'm not surprised you use Linux at all...
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BlueGoliath@reddit
I never linked to UB you garbage bot.
rebelSun25@reddit
AM4 : "I didn't hear no bell" 💪