US Farmer's Bleak Economic Outlook
Posted by PlausiblyCoincident@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 36 comments
Around here we commonly focus on the climatic effects on agriculture, but there's another type of storm brewing in the US: farmers are increasingly in debt and not making enough money to stay afloat.
What they are facing is a greater cost for fuel, seeds, fertilizer, farm equipment, and financing and are facing decreasing income, which for a number of reasons has led to lower commodity prices. This means that the breakeven price for a given crop/acre is increasing, but the overall dollar yield/acre is falling. While Congress did pass an economic relief act helping to offset some of these costs in December of 2024, but it isn't enough to help make up the shortfalls.
Then 2025 happened. Chaos in international trade, cuts to USAID, holds on USDA grants to farmers, and retaliatory tariffs have further increased inputs and left farmers scrambling to find buyers. The loss of buyers has led to a further drop in commodity prices. Now ICE raids have left the agricultural sector hurting for labor to help harvest and all the market uncertainty has left financing prices high, which means this next year will see increasing debt for US farmers and even less income to pay it off in a time when delinquency rates on farm loans are already increasing. But farmers are left with little choice if they want to keep the farm, they literally have to bet it against a future profit and hope the government gets its act together at the last minute to give them the assistance they need.
And it's increasingly looking like that won't happen. The reauthorization of the last farm bill got kicked down the road again at its previous spending levels, which due to inflation means that the Agricultural Improvement Act of 2018 provides relatively less assistance than it did when even more is needed.
So what happens next? More farms declare Chapter 12 bankruptcy. There's already been an increase from last year, just like 2024 was an increase from 2023. The first half of the year saw double the rate of bankruptcies. This rate is still historically low, but that doesn't mean it won't continue to be if the chaos continues and the body typically responsible for bringing stability, the US Government, is instead the cause of the chaos. If that happens, expect commodity prices for agricultural goods to rise again creating more inflation, which will adversely affect those already stressed by food prices, predominantly those of lower income who are already economically stressed.
Civilizational collapse is a slow process where the cumulation of small stresses leads to something breaking. The slow degradation of our ability to produce food and the rising costs procuring it has on the typical family mixed with with all the other social and economic stresses could lead to that.
AtrociousMeandering@reddit
"Well, we grow all your food, so WE'LL be fine no matter what."
Actual thing I keep seeing said online, to excuse all manner of anger and contempt for anyone who isn't a rural farmer. Guess what, it turns out that the policies all those educated liberals said would be bad for you... are bad for you. And now instead of building generational wealth you're going to sell to the big corps and they'll lobby for individual solutions rather than helping the industry as a whole.
Land votes in the US, it could have voted for policies in it's own interest, and it failed to do so. And now they're going to lose the option to vote against it ever again.
PlausiblyCoincident@reddit (OP)
The ironic part is that about a third of corn and pretty much all the soybeans grown in the US aren't for us. It's animal feed. A large portion of that is to feed animals and then people in other countries. In a de-globalizing world, they're on the chopping block.
WildlingViking@reddit
currently about 60% of corn goes to ethanol. it used to be 80% of the corn went to factory farms, but they have been using everything from "bakery waste" from food manufacturing factories, DDG's (ethanol bi-product), hormones, and chemicals.
gentian_red@reddit
grow ur own, then u will know
WildlingViking@reddit
wtf are you even trying to say? I grew up on a farm with pigs, chickens, turkeys, and cattle. i was in 4-H throughout my youth. I have worked with hog farmers for 20+ years to try and give the animals the best possible lives they can while living in those hellish barns. We have a family farm. I live in a rural community that is powered completely by agriculture.
so i ask you again, wtf are you talking about?
Smooth_Influence_488@reddit
The wild part about those policies, is that they came out of Nixon's farm debt crisis and I think people just forgot about it.
daviddjg0033@reddit
https://aglearninghub.com/the-farm-debt-crisis-of-the-1980s/
High interest rates usually depress commodity and land prices - there was a boom prior to that where international grain yields fell. We got our way out of that with a 40y bond bull market and:
"Efforts were also made to promote agricultural exports to boost farm incomes. Trade agreements were negotiated, export subsidies were provided, and market access was expanded to increase demand for U.S. agricultural products in international markets."
This is exactly the opposite of what people imagined Trump as - some businessman that would make a good deal for farmers - instead the demand for crops going to USAID and SNAP programs was just suddenly ended - add that to the sanctions that other countries inevitably put up as retaliation -
The next economic recession could include a agricultural component (the dust bowl depression surely did.) If I recall recently farmers stuck with corn instead of switching to soybean because China does not want to be dependent on US farmers during embargo like trade wars and struck a deal with Brazil for their soy crop. We then saw dust accumulate on car windows in Illinois.
AtrociousMeandering@reddit
I think Watergate erased people's memories of Nixon's presidency and Republicans didn't exist again until Reagan was elected.
Even before we get into the crimes, Nixon was a terrible president and he should by all rights have been the end of the Republican party.
End of the gold standard, establishing trade with China, instituting price controls. You would think no one on the right would want any association with him.
Humanist_2020@reddit
Racism And misogyny were more important to them Than keeping their farms.
Impressive_Design177@reddit
Let’s also throw in that for farmers who need help, their labor is not showing up.
artisanrox@reddit
The voted for the guy that woukd deport their own help?? MULTIPLE times??
Impressive_Design177@reddit
Yes, they did. But the leopards won’t eat MY face!
Humanist_2020@reddit
Cause the dairy industry is hazardous to your health!
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/459417/dairy-farm-deaths-cow-manure-osha-colorado
Humanist_2020@reddit
YeAh - my friends and I are not really interested into moving to take a job working on a farm, even if those are the “Black jobs.”
We like our “Black Jobs” that have air conditioned offices, covered parking, cafeterias with caribou coffee, clean restrooms, mon-fri 8-5 hours and pay $100,000 and up.👩🏽💻👩🏾🎓🧑🏾⚕️👩🏾🔬👩🏽⚖️🤷🏾♀️
happyladpizza@reddit
The wealthy farmers aren’t worried about the economy cause they are bouta be our massas
artisanrox@reddit
Almost 8 out of 10 voted for this after he bankrupted agro businesses the first time around.
So....communism?
Well? They voted for a guy who ran on xenophobia and wallet worship? Go cry somewhere else.
WildlingViking@reddit
from a farming family in the midwest here. and when a farmer can't pay the bank, the bank can take the farm. and then the bank puts up the land to the highest bidder. and who is usually the highest bidder? corporate farms, billionaires, and the top 1% of farmers in terms of wealth.
i don't think this attempt at an agricultural collapse is just by chance. i think it is an effort to squeeze out every last remaining family farming land owner who lives and works in the countryside. im in my 40's, and when my dad grew up, there were family farms all over the place, and the farms used to be diversivied into different crops, home gardens, chickens, pigs, cows, sheep, etc. and the families got their food and milk from the animals and farm. my dad's family raised a family of six on 160 acres.
today, that is impossible, and the bank would laugh at you if you wanted to buy 160 acres from scratch (plus all the equipment and resources you would need). if you drive around today in the country, you can see where so many family farmsteads once stood. now, 90% of them are torn down, the trees cut down, and turned into commercial ag operations (including factory farms of pigs, chickens, and turkeys as far as the eye can see).
it is so sad that this way of life is now dead. the suicide rates for farmers are increasing. nobody here can afford to buy land to farm, and the 1% from out of state, and out of country are buying land for double its price. nobody here can compete with that (with the exception of the top 1% of farmers, who almost all inherited land and equipment.
I don't know what the answer is, because our state and federal government has been completely bought and paid for by corps and the 1%. it's so sad to me that this beautiful way of life that was once upon a time, is gone.
Humanist_2020@reddit
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/459417/dairy-farm-deaths-cow-manure-osha-colorado
And Trump thinks that Black people are going to work on farms???
burchman2021@reddit
Also they overwhelmingly voted for a fascist who promised to deport their entire workforce.
Humanist_2020@reddit
But remember- the farm Workers were taking “Black jobs.” And Black people were expected to quit their city jobs, move to rural areas, and work on the farms!!!
Good thing my friends and I have other “Black jobs” as CEO’s, CHRO’s, Judges, Lawyers, Doctors, VP’s, etc.
Bugscuttle999@reddit
Idk how anyone stays in business with MAGA intent on running the economy into a brick wall.
SunnySummerFarm@reddit
I have been griping about this for a while. Even here people want to argue. I don’t understand.
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
Join r/farming and watch the action. :)
gobeklitepewasamall@reddit
And here comes Scott Bessent & Steve Miran to preach some fantasy about supply side savings from hypothetical lower input costs from a hypothetical 3m bpd of extra production.
As if producers would pass along those lower input costs even if they could surge production. Which they can’t.
And even if they could, farmers would still be paying out the ass for inputs.
Wave_of_Anal_Fury@reddit
All of the things listed after "Then 2025 happened" in your submission statement are a direct result of their blind devotion to Trump.
Trump support grew in America’s top farming counties despite first-term trade war
Farming-dependent counties rallied behind Trump with an average of nearly 78% support.
https://investigatemidwest.org/2024/11/13/trump-election-farming-counties-trade-war/
TuneGlum7903@reddit
Let's be CLEAR about this.
These counties are overwhelmingly WHITE.
The WHITE people in these counties also OVERWHELMINGLY vote for White Racists.
They aren't "rationally self interested" voters. They aren't voting for "policies" or "competence". They are voting their "skin color".
They have been since the 80's.
2 out of 3 White voters, votes MAGAt. They vote for the "White Party".
Anything else they say, is just bullshit.
That's the "state of our democracy". The rest of us are stymied by these voters.
We have been for over 50 years since Nixon allied the Republican party with the "Wallace voters" (racists who supported a return to segregation in 68', Wallace got 13% of the vote nationally and carried the South in 68').
Right now they want to go "full Apartheid" and deny "colored people" the right to vote. So that "Whites" can run things for a few more decades.
Trump tells them that they are RIGHT to feel this way. He validates their racism and tells them it's justified.
Of course they LOVE him.
dinah-fire@reddit
His policies hurt them last time and Trump bailed them out. A lot of them seem to think another bailout is coming. I am dubious.
Ready4Rage@reddit
I really don't see the problem. Once the farms are on the auction block, it will be available for billionaires to buy & hoard more of it, and then you'll finally know which billionaire you will serve as a serf. Yea, serfdom
princeofid@reddit
Just like when they all voted for Reagan in the 80s. Fuck 'em. Not another fucking dime in federal relief for these hayseeds. They got what they voted for.
BearOdd2266@reddit
The aim is to drive American farmers out of business so investors can buy the land cheap and establish more data centers and farms. Not necessarily for non-nefarious purposes.
ZenApe@reddit
Don't worry, Bill Gates and Blackrock will buy them out.
Once all of our agriculture is in their hands I'm sure things will get better.....
FantozziUgo@reddit
This is how we get The sheep look up IRL
ExcitingMeet2443@reddit
Looking for something to grow that is drought resistant?
Has a guaranteed yield?
Doesn't need any tending?
Grow ENERGY!
SOLAR energy...
/s, I know it doesn't actually work according to DonOld.
synocrat@reddit
When you think about how we've been doing things for so long and how we could have been doing things or even change to doing them now to improve things for everyone... It hurts to think. All for short term profit. For an imaginary money supply that can hyperinflate itself out of existence. We could have ample food for all, ample decent shelter for all, but you can't have that and infinite growth in a finite planet in a system based on that assumption.
thunda639@reddit
Don't worry bill gates will bail out the banks that lose monet by forclosing on the farms
jaymickef@reddit
This is what some people meant by post-industrial society, it’s a return to feudalism. The era of non-aristocracy owning land may be coming to an end.