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Why are Intel CPUs less common nowadays?

Posted by FortyWithaU40@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 600 comments

I'm genuinely curious, does anyone know why AMD CPUs are on the rise in recent years?

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Sophistry7@reddit

AMD has really shaken up the market over the last few years with their Ryzen lineup. They’ve been able to offer more cores and threads at competitive prices, while also improving efficiency and power consumption. Intel CPUs are still solid, but AMD’s combination of performance and value has made them far more appealing for both gamers and productivity users alike.
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Udont_knowme00@reddit

Honestly, Intel CPUs aren’t “gone,” but AMD has just become more attractive to both consumers and OEMs. Better multi-threaded performance, competitive pricing, and solid roadmap announcements make AMD a popular choice. Intel’s recent generation improvements are helping, but AMD’s years of catching up and offering more bang for the buck have really shifted the perception and adoption toward Ryzen CPUs.
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ChaoticRamenn@reddit

A huge factor is AMD’s chiplet design, which allowed them to scale core counts without massive die costs. Intel CPUs traditionally stuck with monolithic dies, which limited core counts and kept prices high. Combined with aggressive marketing and benchmarking wins, AMD CPUs are now appearing more often in prebuilt PCs and enthusiast builds, which is why they feel more common than Intel these days.
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Aditya577@reddit

I think a lot of it comes down to pricing and innovation cycles. AMD CPUs have become very aggressive in terms of price-to-performance, giving you more cores for less money compared to Intel. Intel’s older architectures were stagnant for a while, so AMD just capitalized on that gap. People are noticing, and AMD’s market share has naturally grown as a result.
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Greedy-Touch7570@reddit

Intel is just as bad as Tesla the past 5 years. who is going to spend the money Intel is asking for their cpus just to run into tech issues within 100hours of runtime. AMD is top for reliability. Im having a ton of POST issues i cant figure out, i have a AM3 build in the garage thats been in there 10 years at least, i pulled it out to see if it still works, guess what...
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BmanUltima@reddit

AMD has been making better CPUs in the last few years. Intel has had a whole bunch of issues.
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NunButter@reddit

Pretty much dominant from Zen2/3 on. The X3Ds are hands down better than anything else for gaming.
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Suspicious-Box-@reddit

Especially at 1080p. 40-75% faster than intel. It's a perfectly playable resolution although 1440p is getting bought more and more often now. 4k is still niche. At 4k the cpus even out since its heavily gpu limited.
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spiritofniter@reddit

I can finally play r:Stellaris without being genocidal on 7800X3D!
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SkoRpo_012@reddit

This gives me an optimistic feeling about my future build. Please tell me how is the performance late game?
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spiritofniter@reddit

So far so good. Lags will only notably happen when the galaxy is fully balkanized with multiple civil war, robot uprising and an end-game crisis raging. I can even activate the [Aetherophasic Engine](https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Nemesis) without the game crashing with few stars bombed.
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ParanoidQ@reddit

As someone who has never played this game, this description was wild and just makes me want to give it a go..
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spiritofniter@reddit

Discover yours: https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/stellaris/stellaris-quiz/stellaris-discover-your-galactic-empire See the guide: https://stellaris.paradoxwikis.com/Beginner%27s_guide Also, watch some YouTube gameplays as this may or may not be for you. See you in r/Stellaris!
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ParanoidQ@reddit

Thanks for this! I'll give it a shot. I've had it in my library of shame for a while now, just never got round to booting it up, partly a bit intimidated admittedly...
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SkoRpo_012@reddit

That sounds like a dream man, at the moment even if i'm going 800 stars and 11 ai empires, it's still getting too laggy around 2320 even if there isn't any big war or something
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greggm2000@reddit

Rumors have Zen 6 being clocked much higher, having 50% more cores, and having more cache than today, so it’s going to get even better :)
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Hijakkr@reddit

I've played multiple non-genocidal runs to the end on my 2700X... is it really a problem, and if so how have I avoided it lol
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PsyOmega@reddit

This post made me cackle.
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MiguelitiRNG@reddit

They still lost handedly in gaming until x3d so like 2021 not zen 2 lol
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SpitefulRedditScum@reddit

Price to performance I don’t think they lost?
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karmapopsicle@reddit

Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) was when they hit a point where chips like the 3600(X) were good enough to be recommended on their own merits for value builds, but generally Intel still quite solidly held the gaming performance crown.
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Who_Owl7826@reddit

You need to factor in upgradability into that. Intel is on a dead end socket. Would still be cheaper to go AMD if you plan on upgrading in the next 5 years.
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MagicHamsta@reddit

I disagree. Upgradability of CPU isn't something the vast majority of PC users bother with. They just build a new PC if they want a new CPU.
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Who_Owl7826@reddit

Ok, so be more knowledgeable about your PC and upgrade paths and you can plan accordingly and save money. Of course everyone won't do that, but that's life.
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MagicHamsta@reddit

As a long time system builder, I speak from personal experience that you generally lose money by planning poorly and depending on CPU upgrade paths to keep your PC relevant. 1) If you go with a quality CPU right off the bat you have a fully functional system that lasts for years, sometimes decades. Only needing a GPU upgrade every now and then. (And even that's slowed down a lot since GPUs haven't been advancing nearly as much as they did in the past where a year or two would make massive differences) 2) If you try to scrounge money and go for a weaker CPU planning to upgrade to a superior CPU in the future, you waste money since you'll end up with a CPU doing literally nothing when you upgrade. 3) If you build a with higher performance PCs and build new ones as needed, you can give/sell the old PC to friends/family/etc and they'll be glad to take it, especially younger kids that shouldn't be trusted with like a top of the line 2025 build just to play minecraft, roblox, and fortnite.
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greggm2000@reddit

> you'll end up with a CPU doing literally nothing when you upgrade. (seriously, what are you going to do with the old CPU that you swapped out when you upgraded?) A spare CPU that you know works on your motherboard is very handy to have, if you start having hardware problems and want to isolate the cause. > since GPUs haven't been advancing nearly as much as they did in the past where a year or two would make massive differences Actually they have, progress hasn’t stopped or even slowed, it just wasn’t as noticeable to most people, bc Nvidia raised prices and “played games” with naming, and AMD, to a certain extent, followed along.
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Who_Owl7826@reddit

Your entire argument gets destroyed by the longevity of AM4 and what will be AM5 until 2027+ Like I said before, if you plan poorly you will lose money, plan accordingly. Not a hard concept.
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SpitefulRedditScum@reddit

Yup, my upgrades are entirely CPU centric. Ibe upgraded every 5ish years with a brand new pc build since I was 15. I’m 35 now and will do my next build circa 2030
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clusten@reddit

Zen2 was the difference. Higher core count and better performance. The Epyc and Threadripper were game changer for workstations and server. Also, 8+ cores become "normal". Intel struggle with monolithic design against chiplets who gives more options to user (4, 6, 8, 12, 16)
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MiguelitiRNG@reddit

zen2 was winner in multithreading efficiency but intel still won single core and gaming by a good margin.
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Spiritual-Spend8187@reddit

Yea Zen 2 was the tipping point yes they were worse then intel chips but they weren't that much worse and in workloads that supported more cores they could be better even with the fact that can 2 chips were still 4 core ccx and had problems with inter ccx communication. The whole being able to buy a 8 core 16 thread chip for then then a 4 core 4 thread chip was good x3d though was what put them over the line sure in some games intel chips were faster then the 5800x3d but in the majority they were slower and then the 7800x3d came out and the number dropped because they were now near equal in both ipc and clock speed and had the x3d extra cache.
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althaz@reddit

Zen 2 is when they caught Intel. And generally over time Zen 2 chips have gotten better as more software is optimised for AMD as well as Intel. The 9900k needed an overclock to definitively beat the 3700 at launch (without OC they were margin of error difference) but nowadays just loses in everything for example. They didn't go past them until Zen 3. X3D is when Intel became irrelevant, but they had already been defeated by then.
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chizburger999@reddit

>Pretty much dominant from Zen2/3 on. The release of X3Ds is the final nail in the coffin
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JonWood007@reddit

Zen 3. Zen 2 is pushing it a bit.
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Rho-Ophiuchi@reddit

Brand loyalty is stupid, go with whatever meets your needs the best for your budget. Right now that’s AMD in practically every category.
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mpressive36@reddit

Very interesting how X3D's [were originally designed for servers](https://youtu.be/RTA3Ls-WAcw?si=Sgt12_bUjJ3VoDdJ&t=802) mainly, but the inner gamer nerd within the engineers wanted to experiment on the left over chips.
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

They are by far the best gaming chips
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Swifty404@reddit

You mean the heat issues ? Or did they have more problems ?
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b-maacc@reddit

Instability and degradation due to microcode issues causing higher voltage than intended. https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Vmin-Shift-Instabilty-Update-New/m-p/1686948
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astro_means_space@reddit

My impression was that even after updates they're still having problems. It takes a lot to burn silicon.
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Certified_GSD@reddit

Intel is pushing those chips so hard for higher clock speeds and voltages just to get close to competitive with AMD's offerings that they're cooking the chips. They sat complacent for far too long since AMD was basically a lame duck for a little over a decade. AMD's multi-core offerings and push for DX12/Vulkan is what finally forced Intel to give consumer chips more than four cores. Intel \*does\* need a comeback so AMD doesn't do the same thing though.
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Zitchas@reddit

I ran an AMD 4170 for a very long time and was happy with it. But yeah, it's better for everyone if AMD and Intel stay fairly close to each other in terms of performance and keep innovating. That's the only way to ensure that nobody gets complacent and prices don't get too ridiculous. And if another competitor or two jumps into the game to provide some real viable alternatives... All the better. It's always bad to be a fan of a corporation and buy their products just because that corporation made them. Look at the stats, do price comparisons, and pick what works best \*now\*. About the only caveat to that is customer service. If a company gives good customer service, it's worth rewarding that with a bit of loyalty. Not undying eternal loyalty, but definitely some.
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KillEvilThings@reddit

The problem (which shows how far intel is behind) is that they're still on 10nm for the 12-14th gen. AMD went from like, 12 to 10, to 7, to 5nm by zen4. 14th gen was their 10nm process "renamed" to 7n or some bullshit for marketing when in reality it's the same chips and fabs, with the silicon being pushed as hard as possible to the point they failed hard.
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birthdaymonkey@reddit

This was more of A TSMC accomplishment than AMD as AMD doesn't make their own chips. If we compare Intel 285K to AMD 9950X, both of which are currently made by TSMC, the performance and efficiency is quite close if you don't count the x3d chips. Also note that "Apple Silicon" (ie. Arm's latest design fabbed using TSMC's cutting edge node) has been riding the coattails of TSMC's incredible success to achieve their highly touted performance and efficiency gains over x86. In terms of gaming, AMD is on top thanks to their 3d vcache tech, which allows them to stack a small L3 cache die over the CPU die in their X3D lineup. This gives the 9800x3d, for example, something like 3 to 4 times the L3 cache of its vanilla cousin the 9800X. Games happen to love a large pool of cache memory, as it allows the CPU to quickly retrieve resources that it wants to reuse without the need for a relatively high latency and low bandwidth call to main memory.
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randylush@reddit

Describing any node as 10nm or 5nm is purely marketing
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KillEvilThings@reddit

You've **entirely** missed the point. AMD has been using progressively smaller TSMC nodes. Intel's been on the same shit for like half a decade.
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symph0ny@reddit

intel's 10nm process is probably better than TSMC's 7nm given how strong alderlake was on launch. The problem was it took 8 years for it to be a real successor to their 14nm. They don't have another 8 years from 2022 to bring a better process to the market, and it's questionable whether they can exist as a tsmc customer especially given the poor showing of arrowlake.
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KillEvilThings@reddit

None of that changes what was already established. They stayed on the same node, stagnated, and failed to improve on it. AMD iterated with each fab and succeeded where intel failed in every regard.
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Ok_Film_6191@reddit

so why doesn't intel just go to 5nm?
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Buizel10@reddit

Intel's 12-14th gen are on Intel 7, which used to be called 10nm, but is in reality practically on par with TSMC N7. Intel Series 2 Arrow Lake chips are on TSMC N4.
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AHrubik@reddit

FYI. You can't compare any OEM silicon designers "nm" rating from one chip to another unless they are using the exact same process. What TSMC says is 10nm and what Intel says is 10nm are completely different.
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ezkeles@reddit

there is lot people still buy intel at reddit even after the y know issue because discount, straigt update bios and reduce voltage still get fked
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Round-Database1549@reddit

After the updates they're solid, but if the processor ran on the older updates for prolonged periods, they're likely cooked. I had to replace mine recently. Super smooth RMA experience, I'll give them that.
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b-maacc@reddit

I believe the last update they released was in May of this year.
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TuvixHadItComing@reddit

Ah yes the "mid 2010s Kia Engine" CPUs. I say this as someone with a 2017 Sportage in the driveway that I just hope is one of the good ones.
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dxearner@reddit

They also had faulty batches of CPUs with oxidation issues at a manufacturing level, causing instability on a physical level, which they were very slow to recognize and advise on. No patch can fix these issues, just replacement CPU.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

But they extended the warranty of their CPUs to 5 years. I really don't get the hate on Intel about that lol. It's not like AMD products are flawless, 9800x3D are still dying **every single day**, even when AMD and Asrock said it was fixed like 6 months ago. And just last week I saw like 3 ASUS TUF posts with 9800x3D deads too. To see posts about Intels with issues you gotta go to months-old posts. I've a Ryzen but the hate on Intel and Nvidia is pretty irrational a lot of times haha.
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b-maacc@reddit

I was merely answering the question asking what issues 13th and 14th gen CPUs had/have, there is not "hate" in my comment.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

13 and 14th gen also had defects that were literally killing them, and were such an issue Intel had to fix it 3 different times with different bios and firmware revisions.
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GavUK@reddit

Indeed. Never was I more relieved when this first started getting widely reported and I checked my girlfriend's laptop, only to find that it was a 12th gen Intel CPU.
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CanesVenetici@reddit

Three different times, so far...
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TheJohnnyFlash@reddit

Laptop are less scary because they pushed the chips past reasonable limits. Properly setting up the machine reduces the risk. Desktop chips are RIP.
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ashyjay@reddit

Oxidation issues on 14th gen and their power consumption has been insane.
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ShiinaMashiro_Z@reddit

Oxidation is really not the problem, Intel makes some huge mistakes on silicon voltage control causing cores to request voltages that slowly kills them. Coupled with motherboard manufacturer's intentional neglect (because they don't want to limit voltage to trade performance for safety, it will pull down their short-term competitiveness), BIOSes does not stop those fatal voltage being really sent.
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myburneraccount151@reddit

Plus Intel is more expensive than the AMD equivalent. Companies frequently rest on their laurels when they have a lead until another company comes to dethrone them. AMD had to work incredibly hard to offer a better, cheaper product, simply because Intel was there first. This is why the Intel Arc B580 is the best budget GPU you can get right now too. They've got to release a good product cheap so they can get some market share
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OGigachaod@reddit

Perhaps in the US, in most countries, AMD is more expensive.
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h0tz3R4@reddit

Not everywhere and not with all products. I bought a new 7500f in Viet Nam for $120, Intel equivalent does not stand a chance.
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OGigachaod@reddit

Where I live the 7500f is $220, meanwhile the 14600k is $200.
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Djmesh@reddit

14600k is 150 in the states right now, with a full copy of bf6 and a bunch of other software. Its comparable perf wise to a 250 -300 dollar amd cpu, seems like a no brainer if yoir on a budget.
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OGigachaod@reddit

I don't live in the "states"
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myburneraccount151@reddit

I was unaware. That's crazy
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vipulvirus@reddit

Not everywhere
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FinancialRip2008@reddit

i've seen your username a few times, and i always wonder if you're aware what a [chode](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/chode/) is.
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JonWood007@reddit

This hasnt been true since around 2020 or so. AMD charges a lot when they can get away with it too. If anything there are a lot of good budget deals in the low end and midrange.
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sw2de3fr4gt@reddit

Intel is bleeding out right now. I wouldn't be surprised if their video card division is getting cut soon. They sold their smartphone modem business to Apple, sold their flash memory division to Hynix. They only have chips left.
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myburneraccount151@reddit

That big government boost might help
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R5A1897@reddit

Tbh amd didnt really dethrone intel, intel unalived themselves just like amd did with bulldozer era
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ryo4ever@reddit

Yes it was an uphill battle with the release of zen 1. All the reviewers were bashing on AMD for some memory lag behind Intel because of their infinity fabric architecture. Promising but not enough to dethrone the king. Who’s having the last laugh now…
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bell117@reddit

It's such a turn around too from 10 years ago, I remember I basically swore off AMD CPUs after putting an fx-8670 in my first PC build ever back in 2015. Thing ran so hot and so poorly it ended up killing both my SSD and HDD from turning the whole tower into an easy-bake oven. And that was after I put new thermal paste and fans in.  And now I'm back to AMD with a 3900x after my flirt with Intel. I never had problems with Intel but the price for what I was getting just never felt worth it past 2020. 
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

Right? I remember do the exact thing. Now look, I wouldnt touch anything Intel over AMD
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ThereAndFapAgain2@reddit

Yeah this is why I never swear off *or* swear by anything at all, always buy whatever is the best product in your price range at the time for your specific needs. 5 years from now it is entirely possible that AMD gets complacent being dominant and Intel, or possibly even Nvidia if rumours are to be believed, could swoop in with a better CPU.
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

Yup, I dont have brand loyalty at all as they continualy prove they arent always loyal to customers. I will buy the best product thats in my price range.
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bored-stalker@reddit

"I dont have brand loyalty" "I wouldnt touch anything intel over AMD" Lol reddities
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

Well, because AMD CPU;s are the vastly superior product right now, so no I wouldn tounch anything Intell currently. Not because I dislike them, there products just arent as good (which is also why the company is in trouble)
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bored-stalker@reddit

Am I missing something? A quoted part of your comment is no longer visible.
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

Not sure what you mean
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psimwork@reddit

> Yeah this is why I never swear off or swear by anything at all, always buy whatever is the best product in your price range at the time for your specific needs. This is especially important because folks forget that prior to like 2008, AMD was as-good-or-better than Intel in a lot of situations as well. Prior to like 2004 AMD was MUCH better than Intel. Brand loyalty is for suckers.
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PsyOmega@reddit

nvidia doesn't have an x86 license, which means the only thing they could possibly put out is ARM64, and from my current-day experience with ARM64 windows, i can *confidently* say it is *not* ready for gaming. The translation layer in windows means those big beefy snapdragon cores are restricted to running x86 game binaries at AMD FX levels.
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TomNooksRepoMan@reddit

I’m still just a smidge shaky about buying an AMD CPU again after the memory issues of first generation Ryzen. Literally no kit of memory ran anywhere near advertised speeds with my 1700X - I tried four frickin sets of memory. I eventually caved and dropped almost $300 USD on the primo Samsung B-die that I still use in my 12700K system today. No, it still did not run at 3200 MHz despite being THE kit you were supposed to use. Now I see how fast the X3D chips run the games I play and I think that I could have lived with any teething issues, if they even have any nowadays. But man… did I not regret switching to an 8600K and just not having to think about my system working.
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failaip13@reddit

I mean, first Gen ryzen are officially rated for 2666mhz, everything above is basically gambling. Unless you had problems reaching 2666, I wouldn't blame AMD at all.
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TomNooksRepoMan@reddit

Only kit that would run stable at 2400 MHz was the B-die, rated for 3200. Nothing got higher. Tried two different models of ASUS boards of my own as well as my friend’s Asrock board. His 1600 and Asrock B350 did actually boot on first try with my B-die at 3200, which was a bit of a slap in the face for my system. I believe it ran stable at 2933.
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nmrk@reddit

*Nobody ever got fired for buying* *~~IBM~~* *Intel.*
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dh373@reddit

Which is exactly why competition in the marketplace is good!
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spacegrab@reddit

Built my first PC as a teen, AMD. Shit got fried. Went into a PC store as my first non-food court job. Built 2000+ PCs a year. Did that for a few years, finished college, been in IT for almost 20+ now. Haven't owned an AMD since. I hated AMD the entire time. So many problems at the shop. With Intel fumbling the fuck out of the last couple generations, I might go back to AMD. 9800x3D price point is nuts, and my office won't be as hot 🤣🤣🤣
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Glittering-Work2190@reddit

Ever since Lisa Su took over, AMD has been a different kind of company.
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failaip13@reddit

>Thing ran so hot and so poorly it ended up killing both my SSD and HDD from turning the whole tower into an easy-bake oven. BTW this is not a normal thing to happen, there was absolutely something else going on here cause even most mid range modern GPUs put out more heat than a fx 8370.
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Hatta00@reddit

And that was a turn around from 10 years before that, the Athlon XP series were far and away better than the P4. And before that AMD had the fastest 486 chips.
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Ok_Excitement3542@reddit

While AMD had the fastest 486s, by the time those 486s were out, Intel was on Pentium, which demolished AMD in performance. AMD's chips were cheaper, but if you wanted performance, you went Intel
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KevinParnell@reddit

I also had that same cpu for my first pc build in 2016 paired with an rx 470 4gb. Definitely regret the cpu choice, card choice was solid for the time for me.
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SignificantHighway35@reddit

I bought an AMD FX-60 for a build back in the day and slotted it in a Fatality mobo with 2-3-2-6 Corsair ram. Took two years for the FX-60 to be bested in benches. Like everything its cyclic and pending RnD investment and presumably managment / board decisions and directions to flow on down the line.
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Fredasa@reddit

Here's hoping they close the distance on GPUs soon. It'll still take a gen or two before I can comfortably _own_ an AMD GPU without having the "this specialized process works best on Nvidia and you'll be lucky if it even runs on AMD" factor hovering overhead, but the ball still has to get rolling first.
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MundaneConcert7890@reddit

There isn’t a fix-8670?
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bell117@reddit

Yeah I think so. Whichever had 8 cores that released in 2014 and relied heavily on a multithreading revolution that never came. 
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leoleosuper@reddit

AMD has had better CPUs than Intel for the longest time. Their bulldozer architecture was actually very comparable in core-to-core performance to Intel. The problem was that they thought gaming would go with integer calculations, not floating point. So they had 2 integer and 1 floating point unit for every 2 cores. An 8 core AMD CPU was effectively a 4 core CPU. So, Intel beat them in effective core count and performance from that. Intel coasted on that lead and didn't innovate enough during that time. Once they had Ryzen, they were able to move to a whole new design that now had 8 floating cores in an 8 core CPU, along with stuffing more cores.
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Geddagod@reddit

The historical revisionism surrounding bulldozer is hilarious
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tamarockstar@reddit

I can't believe they haven't gone to chiplets yet, even after poaching Ryzen designers. I can't believe their in-house fabs could barely figure out 10nm and not progress past that. I can't believe they haven't changed course and instead made a deal to give a 10% share to the US government. They have the resources to make a comeback, but they seem determined to keep shooting themselves in the foot.
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Geddagod@reddit

> can't believe they haven't gone to chiplets yet, even after poaching Ryzen designers.  They have gone to chiplets with Arrow Lake in desktop, and Meteor Lake in mobile. > can't believe their in-house fabs could barely figure out 10nm and not progress past that They have been shipping Intel 3/4 (\~TSMC N5/N4 equivalent) server and mobile processors for a good year now. >I can't believe they haven't changed course They have? >and instead made a deal to give a 10% share to the US government It's not "instead" as much as it is "in addition to". >They have the resources to make a comeback, The company is either losing money or barely making any money every quarter for the past couple of years, and the reason they sold 10% of their shares to the USG is because they need cash injections- they also sold shares of their fabs to Apollo IIRC, and then had another cash injection from Softbank.
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94358io4897453867345@reddit

The main issue being extreme greed for the last 2+ decades
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Specific_Frame8537@reddit

And recently their Trump deal isn't earning them any good will.
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spiteful-vengeance@reddit

It was interesting that they (Intel) noted the risk associated with Trump getting involved in their shit. > Intel on Monday warned of “adverse reactions” from investors, employees and others to the Trump administration taking a 10% stake in the company, in a filing citing risks involved with the deal. > A key concern area is international sales, with 76% of Intel’s revenue in its last fiscal year coming from outside the U.S., according to the filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company had $53.1 billion in revenue for fiscal 2024, down 2% from the year prior.
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SuperDuperCoolDude@reddit

I'd add that "better" is underselling it a bit too. The x3d chips' gaming and thermal performance per dollar vs. Intel has been heavily in AMDs favor.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

Intel costs more, for less performance. IF you need core counts though, they've got you. I got an i5 14600K for my system, even though i know the Ryzen price equivalent is better in gaming, I like having those spare cores. I open apps and see little to no FPS change.
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Nearby-Walrus-8835@reddit

I just bought an i5 14400f at 120 euros on Amazon and I got also BF6 as reward which is about 60 euros. I can't see a real competitor with this offer from AMD. My objective was to upgrade my old I5 6500, as it was groing old for my gaming preferences and I had a 400 euros budget. I managed to peak at 410 euros with i5 14400f (120e), a B760-P motherboard (130e), 32gb ram (90euro) at 6000mhz and a 1gb (70euro) nvme and scrapped old case, power source and couple ssds for storage. Offers come and go and there are setpoints where Intel manages to take the sweetspot but clearly AMD wins more brackets.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

You can get a 1GB NVMe??
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EitherMeaning8301@reddit

I'm guessing that was a typo, and it is actually a 1TB drive.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

I know, I'm just messing around TH.
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anakaine@reddit

My issue with their core counts is that they seem hell bent on having e-cores. Assignment of tasks to cores seems very haphazard, and ive had long running heavy workloads where I need tasks to be assigned to a powerful core get assigned to an e-core and take forever. Routinely happens.  So the total core count number is a bit of a farce.  Then theres also the single core performance numbers. AMD is far more performant per dollar spent, and given that youre always guaranteed to be on a full power core, you know exactly what to expect.
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KFC_Junior@reddit

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/single-thread/ from passmark
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hara90@reddit

I'd say Intel is still way way way way way more widely used than AMD considering nearly all corporate machines are on Intel.
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EitherMeaning8301@reddit

That is true. Dell, HP, etc still heavily build Intel machines. Intel's last compelling release was Alder Lake (12th generation), which was pretty even with Zen 3 (at least the non-X3D processors). That was four years ago. Nobody wants to touch Raptor Lake because of the degradation woes, and there's very little compelling evidence to opt for the new Ultras vs Zen 4 and Zen 5.
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robotbeatrally@reddit

They aren't in the business space, not even close. They are only more popular among gamers who get higher FPS in games with them.
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KorayA@reddit

Epyc sales overtook Xeon sales back in Q3 '24. You missed a few updates.
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robotbeatrally@reddit

Honestly I've done thousands of computers for workstations because I have done a lot of contract work for several small and medium aerospace companies (and I'm doing work for a large aerospace company and a big developer/ drafting company as well right now) and it's very common to see a single xeon computer so that the problem can be replicated on a real workstation and you wont be told by customer support for drafting/whatever software that they only support real workstation hardware... and then you find the rest of the rigs are all i9's and 4080/4090/5080/5090 etc. The company I'm at now probably has 5 xeons across a few thousand computers and like 30-40% of all those people are engineers.
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EitherMeaning8301@reddit

You forget datacenter servers (not "workstations"). EPYC seems to have been building market share quickly against the equivalent Xeon parts. Frankly, also, if you need lower-end workstation-class equipment, Threadripper is also an option.
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SmashStrider@reddit

Even if Intel is still the larger player in the business space, AMD has clawed a lot of market share away from Intel in servers, offering better performance, efficiency, and cost compared to Intel. Now, they are dominating, and expanding to new segments like Instinct MI. They don't 2.5x the valuation of Intel just because '9800X3D'.
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ISpewVitriol@reddit

AMD has just been a better value in the past 5 or so years. For one they have stuck longer to specific platforms making upgrade paths easier; Intel has required its users to upgrade their whole setup with each new generation of chips for a few years now which isn’t what people here want. A little over 5 years ago, AMD really pushed large CPU core counts when Intel was claiming consumers only needed 4 cores.
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i_was_planned@reddit

I would say it's even more like 8 years. The first Ryzen processors didn't dominate but they gained ground and time has proved that they were better than Intel. Meanwhile, Intel at the time disabled Hyper-Threading and was pushing 4core=4threads CPUs which were a downgrade, really. Then the whole spectre mitigation thing hit and it really affected Intel platforms. Meanwhile... If you bought into AM4, you could go from Ryzen 1600 to Ryzen 5800X3D and also upgrade your card, this would result in a 2017 PC being upgrade'able to a relatively high level of performance still in 2025. This is ridiculous, Guess how i know
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Tim-Sylvester@reddit

AMD has been objectively better for like 15 years, and better on cost/performance since forever, but who's counting.
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nommu_moose@reddit

Anyone reading this, please take it with a grain of salt. During Bulldozer years, AMD was absolutely behind in tech, and due to this they were at risk of financial collapse. AMD had trade-offs making it ***not*** objectively the best performance until relatively recently. Value-wise, it was arguably closer to 5-8 years or so, depending on one's priorities, but do not go buying any processor based on the above comment's advice.
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simo402@reddit

Bulldozer was so good that amd was almost bankrupt
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Tim-Sylvester@reddit

Anyone reading this, help, help, I'm trapped in a reddit comment! Poke a hole in your monitor so I can escape!
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djducie@reddit

Definitely not up to 15 years ago - the Bulldozer family was not well regarded. Unless your use case was specifically highly parallel workloads like compilation. The initial bulldozer releases were worse at single thread performance than its immediate predecessor Phenom II, and Intel.
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Kooky-Bandicoot3104@reddit

most original am4 motherboards did not receive upgrades to the 5th gen suppport
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i_was_planned@reddit

How's that? B350 boards that came out in early 2017 did get the updates. I have one of the cheaper ones by ASRock and it has updates. Most means more than 50 percent, this is definitely not true
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Kooky-Bandicoot3104@reddit

well then i guess its not most, rather some cause i know my friends 2017 mobo bought in 2019 did not make it to the 5000 generation
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i_was_planned@reddit

You would have to provide an example, maybe it wasn't a B350 but something low end like A320, the B350 boards were so cheap that it didn't make sense to go lower than B350, especially in 2019 with the B450 well established (often the same price as B350).
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nommu_moose@reddit

I believe the person you're replying to was slightly confused. As far as I remember, AMD's bios/firmware updates were based on a set of requirements assigned at the first creation of the chipset. This meant that there was not enough space for a bios to support all processors at once, and AMD initially said "fuck it". They created a cutoff point which separated the board variants out, blocking upgrade paths for CPUs on old motherboards and there was an uproar. They went back on it (kinda) and then left it up to board manufacturers to decide for each board. The caveat was that you needed an "interim" processor to do the upgrade, not the original line. AMD began giving out temporarily a full APU to allow people to upgrade the bios successfully. However, since it was up to board partners, there are examples of older boards which did not get proper support for the newest AM4 processors. Examples: - MSI B350M Pro-VH PLUS did not receive an official update for it at all. - MSI X370 XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM did not receive "final" support, only a beta. Even some other x370 boards have similar stories according to forums, but I cannot fully confirm with a quick google search.
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i_was_planned@reddit

Yes, mine was similar, if you upgraded the bios you couldn't install the old processor on it anymore, but that doesn't mean you couldn't upgrade. In my case I also switched from 1600 to 3600 along the way because it was a really significant and important upgrade along the way and by selling the old CPU I recouped quite a bit of the cost.
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nommu_moose@reddit

I think you might have missed a significant part of my comment. That upgrade method was an aside to the main point, with example motherboards that had no upgrade paths at all.
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i_was_planned@reddit

There might be singular examples of these motherboards, that were not given Vermeer support so this MSI pro vh plus would have to settle for something from the 3000 series which is still really a big uplift coming from 1xxx series. Considering how many of these different motherboards there were, I'm still amazed that so many boards do support these updates. Even the slightly different pro-vdh plus supports Matisse not to mention all these tomahawks, mortars etc that were being recommended.
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nommu_moose@reddit

But why dismiss the examples when given the full context, especially after asking for exactly that? Nobody's saying AMD didn't do a comparatively great job overall, but it feels like theoughout this thread, you're intentionally trying to avoid statements made or cast doubt on anything that doesn't completely frame them in a positive light. I'm confused.
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i_was_planned@reddit

I am not dismissing them but accepting that there are exceptions. You have literally provided one example of a board that doesn't support it and one that supports it in beta. MSI themselves have probably more than 15 different versions of B350 so if 1 out of 15 doesn't support it, that's more of an exception. Meanwhile OP claimed most don't support it
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nommu_moose@reddit

But you are being dismissive. You ask for "an" (i.e. one). I gave you "an" example of it being definite, a second one of it being still true but being honest that it was released prior to being fully functional, and then noted other examples which I explicitly couldn't absolutely prove without delving ridiculously deep, but still suggesting the information is more likely accurate than not. You're by definition being dismissive, either because you don't want to accept any chance of being wrong, or you're upset at any criticism of AMD. Either way, learn to accept new information.
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i_was_planned@reddit

I don't know why you are being so combative and aggressive. I am conceding that not all boards support Ryzen 5xxx but this is more of a rare thing, and I don't know what type of gravity do you expect me to assign to these exceptions? So what is your point here? Out of all the B350 boards that came out, what do you think is the percentage that don't support for Vermeer? What do you expect me to say so that you stop attacking me for being 'dismissive' in your view?
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-CallMeLinn-@reddit

I think they weren't happy with you sounding dismissive. They've clearly been more upset than is necessary, but I can't deny every one of your comments has been needlessly "yeah but your info is meaningless" at best. Technically accepting something while then downplaying it every time as if it doesn't matter or isn't what you specifically asked for is going to upset some people. although you did more than downplay aat some times, e.g. the x370 or whatever thing mentioned and missing the actual point while doing that
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i_was_planned@reddit

English is my second language, my understanding is that there exist boards that don't support Matisse so someone got 2 upgrades instead of 3, but that last one is the most important. Still, this is not a common occurrence, so I don't really know why the push to hyperbolize I did not investigate the specific x370 board thing and this is an enthusiast segment therefore more expensive and not exactly a contender for my point of buying b350 in 2017 and having such a great bang for your buck.  I myself bought one of the cheaper ones, B350m ASRock pro4, it doesn't have great VRM, didnt have the best memory support at launch, was cheap can fit Vermeer
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-CallMeLinn-@reddit

Calm down bro lmao. Yes he's dismissive and def doesn't like being wrong but calm down.
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Brisslayer333@reddit

> Intel at the time disabled Hyper-Threading and was pushing 4core=4threads CPUs which were a downgrade, really. Did this happen? I feel like this didn't happen.
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i_was_planned@reddit

The i5 series didn't have threads enabled so it was 4 core 4 threads, they only enabled hyper threading for i5 in 10xxx series. Meanwhile i7 had extra threads but they disabled it in 9xxx series and it was 8 cores and 8 threads. I thought this happened in the 8xxx series to be honest, it's been a long time, but 8xxx and 9xxx are both the same coffee lake architecture
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Taboe44@reddit

I was someone who bought a 1600 and now run a 5800x. Absolutely great value out of AM4.
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kevonh13@reddit

I went from 2600 to 5700x3d and gtx 1070 to rx 9070xt
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ecco311@reddit

Wemt from 4790K to 1700, knowing the gaming performance would be worse just to support AMD on their new lineup. Then 3600, 5600, all on the same mobo. Lovely. Then sold the PC to my brother when I moved continents... Soon gonna build a whole new one, probably with a 7800x3d or 9800x3d.
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deelowe@reddit

Not just better value. Amd is just better. Doesnt matter how much you spend.
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AtomicNixon@reddit

They have always been clever vs Intel's brute force. Intel: Corporate bean-counters. AMD: Lisa Su, Keller. When I got my TR-1950x I placed it on a small black-velvet pillow (with gold tassels) and worshipped it as the one true living god for a week. I just felt obliged I guess.
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ISpewVitriol@reddit

I don't have an Intel system, just follow benchmarking videos and such. Some productivity workloads seem to still would favor Intel over AMD and for productivity they are pretty competitively priced. If we are talking gaming, I completely agree with you.
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deelowe@reddit

You're right, there's a small niche in specific productivity use cases. Server and gaming, AMD is the way to go.
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sanne_dejong@reddit

Always been Intel, switched to AMD with last build (this summer). Better price point for mid range system, especially with a B650 board that still handles latest CPUs.
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WeinerBarf420@reddit

I'll answer with an observation I made today: at my microcenter, the price between the cheapest AM5 bundle (CPU, motherboard, ram), is only $50 more than the cheapest stand-alone core ultra CPU by itself. And it performs about the same as the CPU you get in the AMD bundle.
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

Intel wasn’t competitive in their latest gen and their 13th and 14th gen chips had degradation issues
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ForThePantz@reddit

And Intel lied to OEM’s, gaslit customers, denied and slow-rolled RMA’s before owning up to the shit show. It’s not just lazy design and crap QC, it’s treating your customers like garbage that eventually catches up with you. Some people are slow to forget.
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MegaCockInhaler@reddit

Intel investigated the issue, found the problem, patched it, and then offered refunds and replacements to affected customers. I don’t know what else they could have done, and some OEMs were partly to blame for not following the Intel spec
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Juxtaposn@reddit

Just getting into building desktops and thats something that makes no sense to me. I got burned by two intel cpus and was like "Okay, never again" I dont understand how these companies are so careless when there are competitors that can offer the same or better products.
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Lord_Muddbutter@reddit

Because up until relatively recently, AMD didn't make the better product, and even now, they really only make the best gaming chip. Each brand has their specified audience! 😁
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Juxtaposn@reddit

So intel's audience is chumps? Drop the amount of money you could buy a ps5 for on a processor and it cooks itself?
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Lord_Muddbutter@reddit

Well I recently just bought a perfectly capable 12600KF for 110 dollars new on Amazon, that is a cheap PS5. I had a 13700KF that cooked itself, so I know full well how that happens, now my buddy is enjoying his 12600KF and I am enjoying a 12900KS, the i9 having the bonus of having a useful igpu compared to the video adapter in the amd Ryzen chips. Video editing FTW!  🎉 
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Juxtaposn@reddit

That sounds exhausting.
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Lord_Muddbutter@reddit

Maybe for some! But for 110 dollars, you can't beat 10 cores of perfectly adequate performance in 2025! Certainly no ps5 price either.
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Juxtaposn@reddit

You lit $300 on fire first to settle for an inferior chip when you could've just skipped the process and gotten AMD. Am I missing something?
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Lord_Muddbutter@reddit

Why would I spend more money on a new platform that wouldn't be useful in the slightest without quicksync when I could light that 300 ablaze to get the same performance as before, even better seeing as I have a working igpu in it? Doesn't make sense to me kind sir.
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NinjaOk2970@reddit

Also their 15th gen chips are even worse than 13 and 14 gen.
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

By about 2-3% yes, but it draws half the power
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Sol33t303@reddit

Honestly sounds ripe for overclocking.
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

I never looked into in how well they OC, but theoretically be good
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mamamarty21@reddit

Oooh this I’m intrigued by. I’m never really impressed when I see new products being touted as more powerful when they end up requiring twice the energy as their predecessor.
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webjunk1e@reddit

But *still* less efficient than AMD. Their previous designs were just that inefficient.
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pixel_of_moral_decay@reddit

Under full load this is true. At idle or 20% load (which is what most consumer and office stuff is basically optimized for) AMD is still craptastic. AMD is really just optimizing for data centers and repacking/binning for consumers. Reality is the chiplet design + not so optimized low power states just don’t let AMD get anywhere near the low power consumption levels. Which is why the N100 is so popular for home media servers and there’s nothing even remotely in the ballpark on the AMD side. It can handle multiple 4k steams just fine and still be < 15W in use on a modestly tuned box for the entire machine. Even less at idle.
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Kooky-Bandicoot3104@reddit

this
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Kant-fan@reddit

Actually they were fairly close in efficiency depending on the task and CPU. Unless you talk about gaming and include the 9800X3D but that comparison never really made much sense imo.
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NinjaOk2970@reddit

Because the lithography improved. It's done by tsmc anyway 
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sweetdawg99@reddit

I think 12th Gen was ok-ish but as I recall 11th Gen saw such little performance gains that Gamers Nexus referred to it as a "waste of sand".
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

12th gen was amazing
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Friendly_Cantal0upe@reddit

12400F was a budget king
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A-Lewd-Khajiit@reddit

Thank goodness I got that instead of the 13400F,and that was before the whole 13/14th gen shitshow
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Geddagod@reddit

The 13400f wouldn't be impacted by the 13/14th gen shit show anyway.
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A-Lewd-Khajiit@reddit

It already has I think
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Geddagod@reddit

A bunch of 13400f silicon isn't even raptor lake, it's alder lake. And for the silicon that is raptor lake, the 13400f is going to be way, way less effected than the higher end skus since they don't boost nearly as high. I don't even think Intel lists the 13400f in the processors effected by instability page. IIRC it's only 13600K and up, since those are the CPUs that would be guaranteed to use RPL silicon and not ADL.
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

this is correct iirc
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datstartup@reddit

I was in doubt about e-core and specifically chose 12400. Wishful thinking that I could upgrade it along the way to 13th and 14th. How wrong I was!
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act1v1s1nl0v3r@reddit

My 12700k is great, only issue is it puts out a ton of heat.
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ShadowKnight058@reddit

You haven’t met 13 or 14th gen
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act1v1s1nl0v3r@reddit

What in the heat department? Yeah I consider myself fortunate that I decided to upgrade when I did and not later. I just recently had to ditch my air cooler for an AIO because I ended up getting thermal throttling from some recent (unoptimized) games.
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lukify@reddit

The was just their top end 11900k. Their mid range 11600k was actually a pretty good value.
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gborato@reddit

Have been living in cave the past 10 years ?
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PlatformEarly2480@reddit

Intel is new nokia. It stopped innovating, cataring to various market needs. And development new cpu architectures. So same processors with more cores were release. Where as other processor companies continuously developed and improvised. They also make their processor completable with phones. Due to this gamers realised that a 6 core processor can beat 8 core Intel processors in gaming performance. 8 core processor can beat 12 core Intel processors. And more and more gamers started buying those processors instead of intel
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iam_imaginary@reddit

Am5 is not end of life
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SucoleGa88@reddit

Los cpu intel siguen siendo comunes aunque amd esta presentando fuerte competencia la verdad que a la hora de compatibilidad y rendimiento estable intel sigue siendo lider indiscutible
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Gabrielqwee@reddit

Intel likes to shot itself in the feets.
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ThePataCat@reddit

I havent really noticed this, I play on an I9 13600 and its runs good for what I do.
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bored-stalker@reddit

I love my i7 10700 powering my 5070ti build. However i will be upgrading when ive stopped buying sim rig stuff to an x3d of some description.
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AcceptableBear9771@reddit

Intel can't yet compete in the "Price/Performance" ratio with AMD, just as nVidia can't on the GPU market.
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IcyRainn@reddit

Intel had big failiure issues with the 13th and 14th generation + AMD has the black magic X3D cache tech (since 2022). It's been 3 years and Intel still doesn't have anything to compete against the X3D gaming giants.
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st_heron@reddit

Cause intel's product fucking sucks. Their cpus over the last multiple decades have had critical vulnerabilities (amd too but intel's are worse). Their shareholders keep voting out their CEOs, it's a complete joke, they're cooked.
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RevolutionaryGrab961@reddit

2011-12 - Rejected new tech offer from ASML because investment misjudgement. This tech proved to be the next evolution of cpu manufacturing that peaks around now. 2012-2019 - People are joking about never needing an upgrade from Intel as gen to gen perfromance improvements were 5-15% max. 2018 - Intel releases server chips with disabled hw against license purchase 2019 - Zen2 is running faster, cooler and less power consuming than Intel on desktop 2020 - Workstation, Server AMD Rome chips are released, with much better price/perf and higher core counts than Intel. 2021 - AMD is better on laptops too, Apple moved away from Intel, Consoles are AMD, Steam Deck is AMD, etc. 2024 - Story about Intel and 13-14th gen chips being defective gets confirmed, including the fact that Intel know for years. 2025 - AMD ks better ch
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Geddagod@reddit

AMD is not a better choice in every category. Gained a bunch of ground in desktop, but Intel has outright regained share IIRC in mobile, or at least are holding up very well.
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RevolutionaryGrab961@reddit

They have share due to oem deals, but I do not think they are better option st this point.
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Large-Television-238@reddit

thanks to auntie red
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largpack@reddit

they thought they are the best and nowadays they are not any more
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Resident_Raise_2439@reddit

Hoy Intel volvió con Raptor Lake y son fuertes en gaming, pero AMD ya se ganó la confianza y la comunidad los recomienda más por la relación precio-rendimiento y por pensar en actualizaciones a futuro
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pasarireng@reddit

I think it's not less common nowadays, based on what I see daily. However Intel's popularity is indeed being waned, one of the strongest cause is their flaw in the 13rd and 14th Generation. Many people lost trust on Intel.although actually, since the 15th Gen they are ok again, competing side by side vs AMD Ryzens, (at least that's what I know about PC use for Music Production, my main domain of interest), but past flaw is not easy to be forgotten, and meanwhile AMD create some good series of processors which lift their popularity especially among Gamers and Hobbyist.
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riotblade76@reddit

Expensive shit fire hazard. Amd has cheaper price to perf options
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xTUBULARFOOLx@reddit

AMD has been making great CPUs the last couple generations and on top of that their X3D chips giving even more boosts in games is amazing. Intel on the other hand. Their 13th and 14th gen CPUs had issues frying themselves due to to voltage issues. Then their new ultra series CPUs while being great for productivity were a downgrade in gaming performance. So basically the last 3 generations from intel are a let down.
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Liquidretro@reddit

It'd really the enthusiast market. Intel still dominates in the corporate environment and a large percentage of your big oems.
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criminal-tango44@reddit

for me it's socket longevity and power consumption - like sometimes it's 2x more watts for almost the same performance. it's obscene
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Sleddoggamer@reddit

The change in bill I'm expecting to swap from console to 7800x3d/9060xt almost makes me want to cry. For my case use, I'm expecting the 7800x3d to average around half the usage of Intel's CPU, and the AMD GPU is both more efficient and powerful 😭
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bigrealaccount@reddit

Your bill isn't going to get affected by a few hundred extra watts. I can guarantee the average appliance in your house takes up 5-10x more than that.
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Sleddoggamer@reddit

I'm poor, but I can afford to save for big one-time purchases. I just double checked our rates and never realized our electricity rates were halved through a subsidy, though, so it's not so bad now
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Dpek1234@reddit

Good luck on the dryer I would suggest checking if the vent is clogged (if its that type of drier) If nothing else to remove a possability
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KFC_Junior@reddit

your cpu costs the same as your gpu. icl that sounds pretty stupid to me unless you only play 1080p esports or sumn.
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Sleddoggamer@reddit

I'm actually making the swap from console to try my hand at tournaments so 1080p really is something I need to consider, but from what I understand the 9060xt should be a fine little starter card on a new build if I were considering 1440p. It's just cheaper for me in the long run to start with the 7800x3d and a higher quality build with a mid-tier GPU than it would be to have to upgrade the CPU or replace other components later, which gives me a better chance of getting either a 5070 Ti or 5080 when less people are trying to get them
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Sleddoggamer@reddit

I actually am making the swap to try my hand at tournaments so I'll be getting a 1080p monitor, but since it's a new build starting from complete scratch the 9060xt is actually perfect for me ignoring the rule of thumb. My choices are to start with the 7800x3d and get better components that will last for the next 4-8 years, and just start with a mid-tier GPU that had just enough uplift from the last generation to run 1440p so I can try to upgrade to a much better GPU later, or pay nowadays rates and risk having almost nothing to upgrade with later
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SuzukiSatou@reddit

Trust destroyed, u dont gain it back easily
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We_Are_Victorius@reddit

This. I have been a long time Intel user, but after seeing what they did with the 13th and 14th gen, I went with a 9800X3D for my latest build. I don't see my self going back any time soon.
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NunButter@reddit

I upgrade each cycle and flip the old chip. AM4 I had a 3600X in my first build, swapped it for a 5900X early and then flipped it for a 5800X3D. AM5 I got a crazy deal on a 7950X3D and then flipped that for a 9800X3D. AMD gives you longevity. No one needs to upgrade like that but for nerds like me its amazing
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theloop82@reddit

People forget how anti consumer intel was about sockets. You can still buy new AM4 processors and mobo’s 8 years on, before the competition Intel would release a new socket every 2 cycles pretty much. It’s a game changer having a platform you can get a huge uplift on by only changing the CPU. Intel deserves what they got, they took their dominance for granted and were happy to screw consumers and enthusiasts for years
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Dpek1234@reddit

Frankly the thing that am4 is haveing a problem with seems to be ram lol Last i checked ddr 4 price increased and it wont decrease long term Wild that a socket last long enough for ram generation to matter lol
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i_was_planned@reddit

They lost it pretty slowly too. They were basically a monopoly, bribing companies like Dell and doing a lot of anti-competition tactics. Even though a lot of people predicted AMD is the better deal with better upgrade paths for the future, people still bought Intel massively. I have a mate who still bought Intel in 2024
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Ouaouaron@reddit

I don't think it was slow, because I think the only thing that mattered were the 14th-gen chips killing themselves. The minute the advice shifted from "consider AMD instead, as it's often better value" to "DO NOT buy Intel, and return it if you've already bought one", Intel began immediately losing significant market share.
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i_was_planned@reddit

In a sense, you are right, but what I mean is that AMD became competitive a long time ago and Intel was usually not the right choice for most consumers, except for the very high-end. On the lower end, Intel builds also made sense from time (for gaming), but still with the upgrade path being so poor, I never considered it a good choice and this has been proven correct with time
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AtomicNixon@reddit

They were pure scum. I was so happy to see them have their ass handed to them on a platter.
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Flossy001@reddit

Which is why I noted AMD taking the clear gaming performance crown is what really turned it around, not platform longevity, better deals or any of that other stuff.
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i_was_planned@reddit

Ah, I see
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ILikeToDisagreeDude@reddit

I’m sure Trump will fix that now with his 10%. He’s very trustworthy.
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Dry-Influence9@reddit

this! in my friends group we got 4 13900k/14900k, the last one of those died like 6 months ago... Intel gave us the cpu money back but the trust, money and time wasted is gone. And they have claimed they fixed it like 4-5 times by now and that gen is in my hall of shame for sure.
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n7_trekkie@reddit

theyre slower and they destoryed themselves for a couple generations. https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/images/average-fps-1920-1080.png https://youtu.be/OVdmK1UGzGs?si=mYYcHx7ct9KVt0q_
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RainFR98@reddit

265k is only 4-5% slower than a 9700x in gaming while having a much stronger multicore performance and runs cooler..
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Fieryspirit06@reddit

The absolutely destroyed trust, and single generation socket, really just make Intel really hard to recommend right now
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RainFR98@reddit

"Single generation socket" there is a refresh and we don't know how itll perform and so far AM5 has released the same processors twice other than x3d variants at a high cost?
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Uh Intel has said the ultra 300 series will require a new socket. And zen 4 and zen 5 are wholly different architectures unlike Raptor lake 13th gen and raptor lake 14th gen. And they've confirmed zen 6 atleast will also be on AM5. And that they're gonna support AM5 for years to come, and some rumors are implying even zen 7 will be on AM5 though it's early stage rumors.
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Dpek1234@reddit

Honestly the thing that will kill am4 is the support components by the looks of it Amd is still releaseing chips on it, ddr4 ram is more of a problem considering its price increase
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RainFR98@reddit

Arrowlake Refresh
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Fieryspirit06@reddit

They have confirmed at least another full generation on this socket, and it is highly suspected to have another after that. Also I was simply making a statement to explain why people don't recommend Intel, it was not an attack lol.
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RainFR98@reddit

Sure but judge for whats existing right now, zen4 and zen5 are the same other than 500 $ 8 core x3d cpus
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Fieryspirit06@reddit

There are quite a few differences lol idk what you mean
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catsaysmrau@reddit

Yeah I got one for an audio workstation build, it’s great.
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RainFR98@reddit

Blind hatred for intel just to be cool!
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jdatopo814@reddit

Nah you just seem like you have blind loyalty.
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RainFR98@reddit

I have a 9800x3d, I had a 7500f, I had a 5800x and before that a 3600x. I just think people are too emotional about hardware. 265k is still a VERY good processor and intel offers amazing processors on the lower end. 14600k with BF6+ac shadows for 150-160 is insane!
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jdatopo814@reddit

But I mean people aren’t emotional bout hardware. We’re giving you hard facts about why AMD is doing better than intel. That was the questioned posed in the post and people are responding. No one here is getting emotional except you.
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RainFR98@reddit

Theyre doing better because the gamer community are ultra toxic forcing their opinions. Intel is still the best midrange and below for anything outside of gaming and it misleads people that do not look for gaming performance.
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jdatopo814@reddit

About almost everything you said isn’t true lol. For the longest time intel had still been top dog for gaming up until their recent 2 or 3 generations where they’ve fumbled the bag. There’s no toxicity, it’s purely because AMD is currently performing better. No one is saying that intel CPUs are terrible, but for the money and for the needs of gamers, AMD is currently better suited. Just because you don’t like that AMD performs better doesn’t mean it’s toxicity.
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RainFR98@reddit

You misread my comment, I said OUTSIDE of gaming not inside gaming.
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jdatopo814@reddit

I know, but you identified the root of the problem as “toxic gaming community”. Literally multiple people throughout this thread have stated that outside of gaming, intel does hold up well. You’re literally arguing for nothing.
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Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit

We must be reading competently different threads…
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RainFR98@reddit

No they have downvoted me for saying otherwise, even while saying 265k is slower than a 9700x. Read better
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jdatopo814@reddit

Because you were saying that the 256k is a good value, when it’s not exactly. Neither of those CPUs were received well. > Read better You’re not helping your case here. Bros on a mission to farm negative karma.
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RainFR98@reddit

265k is very good value it has great mutlicore performance and it's very efficient. Gaming perf is 4-5% slower than a 9700x.
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catsaysmrau@reddit

Yeah, I think a lot of people forget about there being use cases other than gaming. My main software Pro Tools Ultimate explicitly does not support AMD CPUs. Some people successfully use AMD with it, but not everybody. Plus I like the lower temps and lower power consumption. Worth it to me, and good performance for me… yes even with gaming. But I was coming from a ten year old i7-5820k system (that still works pretty well).
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RainFR98@reddit

Enjoy it man, everyone else is to fixated on what someone else is using these days.
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n7_trekkie@reddit

cooler doesnt matter, power matters. all the power the CPU consumes gets turned into heat, so lower power means lower heat expelled into the environment. and the 9700X uses less power in gaming. https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-265k/images/power-games.png 9700X uses less power under full load https://tpucdn.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-265k/images/power-multithread.png Multicore performance can mean anything. the 265K is faster in some things, slower in other things. If it's faster in the apps you use for work or whatever, that's great! It's a good CPU for you. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-7-265k/13.html
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Kant-fan@reddit

This is just disingenuous, it uses 5W more in gaming so basically the same despite a way higher core count and ofc it uses more power under full load because it's also a lot faster then. And your comment on multicore performance is also not very neutral considering that the most (if not all) of the productivity performance benchmarks where it's slower are actually single threaded and despite that it was still 20% faster overall in productivity according to your own source, in true multi threaded applications it's actually often over 30%.
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RainFR98@reddit

IHS matters also not just power, a 14900k drawing 200w can run at 60c while a 9800x3d pulling 110w can run at 75-80c just because of amds poor IHS design. Inte may draw more but its much easier to cool since it transfers heat better.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Your chip running at 60C versus another one running at 80C doesn't matter lol. They're rated for upto 95-105C depending on who you ask. Both are running well within reasonable temps. What performance you get, and at what power consumption matters. Like wtf are you even trying to imply here?
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RainFR98@reddit

Processors than are easier to cool and run at lower operating temps will usually have less instability issues.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Both are running at perfectly stable temps so that's a non factor. And both chips record and report their temps differently so it's also not an apples to apples comparison anyway. The end user and chip aren't really affected unless the chip is getting to like 95+... Like if you're gonna be that pedantic you might as well just say "amd better because the model names end in X and X sounds better than K" The Intel chips are the less efficient ones which will have bigger issues both interms of power bill, and like room temp aka what you'll actually feel.
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RainFR98@reddit

Arrowlake is similar in efficiency to zen5.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

In what metric exactly? Because this entire discussion is on arrow lake and zen 5 largely trading blows depending on task... But you yourself pointing out a power consumption difference and then write trying to move the goal post to "but but ihs design, the Intel chips technically run cooler despite making noticeably more heat" and now you're trying to move the goal post back?
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RainFR98@reddit

You brought up Efficiency and cost less in terms of power bill, pointing out at the topic your brought up. Arrowlake is very efficient compared to 13/14th gen and draws similar power to a 9700x.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Me: "what metric are you using? Any citations or anything? Or are you just gonna move the goal post again?" You: no citations, no specifications of metrics, nothing... Okay well have a nice day, this is what I get for even trying to talk to an 8d old negative karma account.
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No_Creativity@reddit

If they’re 100 degrees, sure. There’s never going to be a difference between 60 and 80, those are both well within normal operating temps. If you like Intel that’s great, they still exist and you can keep buying them, but theres a reason AMD has been more popular for a while now.
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Dry-Influence9@reddit

that doesnt seem to hold up given that the intel 14th can run cooler than amd yet still have been dying since release.
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MarxistMan13@reddit

> IHS matters also The convex IHS of Intel 12th-14th gen that requires a contact frame to fix? That IHS? > a 14900k drawing 200w can run at 60c Please show me evidence of this. Unless you're cooling with an extremely exotic custom water loop, you're not running a 14900K at 200w sustained at 60C. Also, CPU temp is pretty much irrelevant at a low-enough point. There's functionally no difference between a 50C CPU and an 80C CPU. Both will survive long enough to become irrelevant and temperature does not have any other effects on your experience using them.
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n7_trekkie@reddit

What impact does a high temp CPU have on you? also CPU temps aren't comparable between series, the temp sensors are in different places and are calibrated differently https://youtu.be/rttc_ioflGo?si=Q4VplKD9d2im5nrG&t=699
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CodeRoyal@reddit

The 9700X wasn't well received either.
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RainFR98@reddit

Yea but its just to show the current standing, intel CPUs arent bad especially 265k for 250-280 euros
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Kalmer1@reddit

And then you could get a 7800X3D at that price for gaming for much better gaming performance. Which you could upgrade to a 10XXX in the future as well, which isnt possible with Intel.
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RainFR98@reddit

Much better gaming performance so.. 5fps more at 1440p and 0 at 4k gotcha! I'll take more cores and multicore perf over 1080p gaming
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Kalmer1@reddit

Thats good for you! Thats why I said if you want to game. Especially multiplayer and competitive games will benefit, if you dont play those, it doesnt matter to you.
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RainFR98@reddit

Most competitive games are already running at crazy high fps to where it does not matter anymore
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jdatopo814@reddit

Okay now you’re just saying random shit lmao
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MarxistMan13@reddit

Not true of everything. WoW is a competitive game and the X3D CPUs have a massive advantage in that game. You're not going from 400 to 500 FPS. You're going from 30 to 60 FPS in raids. That matters a great deal. Intel makes an inferior product for gaming by basically every metric. It's worse performance, worse efficiency, worse platform / upgrade path. If you need the cores for something else, great! Buy Intel. For everyone else, there's no reason to even consider them.
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Kalmer1@reddit

It will always matter in those games. And Intel doesnt offer an upgrade path at all, while on AMD you could upgrade to a far superior CPU in a couple of years for much less effort and money.
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vitek6@reddit

You could but you won’t.
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NunButter@reddit

You won't have to buy a new mobo if you go AM5. Huge reason people are buying them. Easy upgrades
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RainFR98@reddit

Yea love upgrading to the same cpu or overpaying for 8cores
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NunButter@reddit

Eh the 1% lows are better than the 7800X3D. Worth the extra $100 after flipping my old chip. Not worth it to others, but I enjoy new gear and can afford it. I like having top tier stuff. Early adopted 7900XTX and it's been fantastic for over 2 years now. Not a fanboy or shill, their shit just works well and its way more affordable
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RainFR98@reddit

If you like having top tier stuff you wouldnt have bought a 7900xtx
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NunButter@reddit

Still a very powerful card, my guy. It's not the best, but in March of 2023 it was a brand new Red Devil for $850 or a crappy 4080 model for $1200+. 4090s were closer to $1800. Saved ~$400 for and still got basically the same performance. I don't use upscalers. Dont really play RT games. Perfect for 3440x1440p for what I play
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Turkish_primadona@reddit

You understand that another way of saying what you just said is "I love buying the same CPU twice", which is not what the OP was saying. With AM5 you upgrade generations with the same socket. I understand English may not be your second language, so I hope this helps :)
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buddymanson@reddit

Most people play with upscaling on these days. So 4K DLSS is more like 1440p native performance. You can still be CPU limited at 4k DLSS. For example, my 13900k is CPU limited in Act 3 of BG3. However, my 9950X3D is not. Meaning my GPU usage stays \~99% in the city. Of course my example is more of an outlier and you won't see such a massive difference in a lot of games, but it is something to consider. The larger 3d cache can still make a difference, even above 1080p.
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RainFR98@reddit

BG3 is like a big outlier most games will be gpu bound even with DLSS and unless you have a 4090/5090 it wont matter either way
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Rezosh_@reddit

Ill take the chipset that has an upgradable path, thanks
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randommaniac12@reddit

There are rarely bad products just bad prices. Especially if you’re doing a mixture of gaming and workstation stuff there is absolutely a point where Intel’s products are worthwhile. Honestly the bigger issue for me is that the Core Ultra 200 series is on a dead platform, Intel is putting out a new chipset for the 300 series which means fully new motherboard required for the chip. Whereas AM5 is confirmed to be getting 1, likely even 2 new generations of CPU’s released for it. It’s a better long term investment if that’s what you’re factoring in
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

Idk, I don't think that graphic does the 9800x3D any favor. 9800x3D is at $479, and they're dying literally every day (yeh, Asrock, but with ASUS TUF there're like 3 posts just this month). Even the 7800x3D is $359 and it performs 95% of the 9800x3D. And that 5% is with a RTX 4090, and at 1080p, not really realistic settings. [https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png](https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-2560-1440.png) At 1440p (still with a 4090), a 7800x3D performs 97% of the 9800x3D. And the 14700K for example performs 95% [for $161](https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Procesador-escritorio-i7-12700KF-n%C3%BAcleos-Desbloqueado/dp/B09FXKHN7M/). Having 95% of the performance **and saving $318** is a PRETTY good deal to me.
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Taboe44@reddit

It's also a big thing to take in account the 1% lows as well. Not just max FPS.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

Not really. If your lows are already over 60 fps it's not really different. The problem of the lows is if they're at 20 or 30fps and you'll notice stuttering. If your frames are 100fps average and you get a 70 fps low 1%, you're not gonna notice it. Because it's 1% low = 1% of the time going at that frame. And it's not like you're gonna get 20fps lows with a 7800x3D or 14600K. Even with a 5600X you won't be that low. I changed from 5600 to 5700x3D and you literally can't tell the difference in 95% games, just in Valorant (from 500 to 700fps, on a 320hz monitor). BG3, from 70ish fps to 100+ in the big city, not really game changing in a turns based game like BG3. And I think WoW, with its pretty crappy optimized engine, but it's not like WoW is the most popular game nowdays.
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ElCockoRingo@reddit

1% lows doesn’t have a huge effect on average FPS numbers since it’s only 1% of the time. You will definitely notice constant drops from 100 to 70 FPS
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

So.. you're proving my point? You can't tell the difference between the fps going from 80 to 60 1% of the time lol. Most people can't even tell the difference between 60 to 80 fps 100% of the time.
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ElCockoRingo@reddit

The numbers won’t be effected but your perception will notice the drop. Over 100 seconds, if you have 100fps for 99 of those seconds but 1 second of 10fps that’s an average 99.5fps. On paper that’s negligible but your perception will definitely notice that drop. That’s why looking at the 1% lows is important to begin with.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

Dude, 100% **you cannot see the difference between 60 or 80fps LOWS** 1%. > you have 100fps for 99 of those seconds but 1 second of 10fps that’s an average 99.1fps. On paper that’s negligible but your perception will definitely notice that drop You notice **a drop of 0.9 fps??** Do you understand that's less than **1 MILISECOND** difference right? If you can ''perceive'' 1 milisecond you're a superhuman, 99,99999% of humans can't. [https://humanbenchmark.com/](https://humanbenchmark.com/) And actually, I really doubt your reaction time is even close to 100ms. I don't think you can perceive something at 1ms but react x100 times slower lol.
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ElCockoRingo@reddit

You are too busy being confidently incorrect that you're not even reading and/or understanding what I am saying while also illustrating why average FPS doesn't properly account for 1% lows. I said you probably won't notice a difference with 80fps and 60fps 1% lows. You doubled down "100% **you cannot see the difference between 60 or 80fps LOWS** 1%." Ok so we basically agree. But that is a pretty solid 1% lows scenario, good fps that is 75% of your average. My scenario was for FPS over a \*\*100 sec time frame\*\* with 99 sec showing 100 fps and 1 sec being 10 fps. That means you are playing \*\*1 min 40 sec\*\* total and for 1 full second you only get 10 fps. Do you not agree that 1 second dip would be completely noticeable? That gives you an average fps of 99.1 fps over that time, but you had a huge dip for that full 1 second. Yet it basically gives you a 100fps average. "You notice **a drop of 0.9 fps??**" You can't just reduce my scenario to a moment in time and say I am talking in milliseconds... again that is why averages don't work how you think they do, there is context you miss. If comparing a \*\*solid\*\* 100fps to a \*\*solid\*\* 99.1fps, then you couldn't tell the difference. But my scenario wasn't a solid fps, there was a full \*\*1 second\*\* dip to 10fps that caused the average to drop only 0.9fps. This is why average fps is not a good representation of 1% lows.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

[You can check it right here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVv1fWGkxc4) (or any of the thousands of comparisons out there). With 84 fps average, the lows are 74 fps. With 73 fps average, the lows are 52. 93 fps average, lows at 83. If the average fps are 100+, you're NOT gonna get 10, 20, 30, or 40 lows. Not even 0.1% lows.
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ElCockoRingo@reddit

I made no comment on the capabilities of specific CPUs you're creating a strawman argument because you don't understand how numbers work. You said "average already takes in count lows." while it does take into account, I was just giving a simple and extreme example of how a terrible 1% low barely effects your average FPS so just looking at the average doesn't give you the whole story. But instead of learning something you just want to be the old man yelling at clouds. We don't need to continue, you're too desperate to be right to have an actual conversation.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

>You said "average already takes in count lows." while it does take into account, I was just giving a simple and extreme example of how a terrible 1% low barely effects your average FPS so just looking at the average doesn't give you the whole story. But obviously I was talking about **a real case scenario** lol. You're talking about **an impossible scenario** of a CPU giving 100 stable fps but magically going to 10fps 1 second and then going to stable 100 again... It looks like you're desperate to be right, creating an impossible scenario to win an hypothetical discussion that does not apply to the real world... **In normal conditions**, average fps takes in count lows, because if you get a 10fps low 1%, it's not gonna be 1 every 100 seconds, it's gonna be constant stuttering and you won't have 100 average fps, you're probably gonna go 100-60-10-30-40-80-100-20-50, and that won't be 100 average, that would be 54 average, and yes, under 60 average you'll notice stuttering.
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ElCockoRingo@reddit

Jesus dude you just can't stop being wrong and missing the point. Good luck with the rest of your life.
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

>I said you probably won't notice a difference with 80fps and 60fps 1% lows You said you can ***perceive it***, you can't. It's not wind, you're not gonna ''feel'' that difference. >Do you not agree that 1 second dip would be completely noticeable? That gives you an average fps of 99.1 fps over that time, but you had a huge dip for that full 1 second. Yet it basically gives you a 100fps average. But that case doesn't exist in real life. The difference in lows of a 9800x3D vs a 5600x3D is like 15 fps tops. People act like a 5600 or a 12400F will have drops to 10 fps playing AAA games. >But my scenario wasn't a solid fps, there was a full **1 second** dip to 10fps that caused the average to drop only 0.9fps. But that doesn't make any sense at all lol. If a CPU is capable of mantaining 100 fps for 99 secs.... It's not gonna have a 10 fps drop for 1 second unless it's overheating or something. If it drops to 10fps it's gonna be WAY more often than 1 ever 100 seconds lol. That's way people don't read lows correctly. Cause if you're playing at 100fps your CPU is not gonna drop to 10 fps out of nowhere. Maybe if you're playing at 45 fps it'll drop to 10, but then 45 average would be the problem to begin with.
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Kant-fan@reddit

This is actually a very popular false belief. The 1% lows are not disproportionately better on those CPUs compared to the AVG fps. For example this [article ](https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/rangliste.89909/#abschnitt_die_schnellsten_gamingcpus_empfehlungen) contains graphs with relative numbers for frametimes (1% lows) and avg framerate and the difference between avg and 1% lows is nearly identical, in fact the difference is actually slightly bigger for avg framerate.
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Tinney3@reddit

Downside of incomplete charts, they tend to mislead consumers. X3Ds shine in avg and 1% lows, not max FPS (although they do contend well in it) versus other CPUs. And they have a different impact depending on the app/game you'll use it on. WoW for example loves all the extra cache where it's kinda dumb not to get an X3D. Basically makes you immune to fps stutter due to add-ons.
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PsyOmega@reddit

X3D is insane in guild wars 2. In raids or PVE boss fights when fps would tank to 10-20fps on a 14900K, a 7800X3D will easily maintain over 100fps
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Tinney3@reddit

Haven't played GW2 but since it's an MMO, I'm confident that X3D performs well there too. Heck, I upgraded from a 5600x -> 5800X3D and my former 20-30 fps dips at WoW during hectic raid phases are gone. Never went below 80~fps again. I'm never buying a non-X3D CPU again that's for sure.
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n7_trekkie@reddit

You linked 12700K, not 14700K
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

Sorry I changed it, 14700KF not available in my country now lol
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n7_trekkie@reddit

I think the main issue with the 14600KF at $180 is that the 7600X is just as fast in games, the same price, and it's on am5 which is getting new CPU releases still
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Accurate-Address-254@reddit

The difference between 14600KF and 7600X is pretty close to the difference between 14600KF and 9800x3D. That's pretty much my point, going over 200usd priced CPUs is not a good idea unless you only play WoW, Tarkov and some niche games that use more CPU than GPU (there're like 10 in total). **Or** you're planning on buying a 5090 or 4090. [https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/](https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/) Considering Steam stats, most people are reaaaaally far from getting a 5090 or 4090. [Most people really don't need the best CPU](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fpara-los-gordos-9800x3d-gpu-gama-media-baja-v0-svsiozyqxghf1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D3bcccf233aa5658f00c2adab829ad841b4aadbcb), even in CPU demanding games like that graph from hw unboxed.
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trontroff@reddit

Your link is to the i7-12700KF not the 14700K. I did get a 14700K for $200 a few months ago, but the price seems to have gone up.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

Must argue that X3D CPUs are destroying themselves, too. But nobody is getting mad at AMD. They were much faster to start patching, and the impact wasn't to nearly every chip.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Except the x3d CPU implosions are entirely based on motherboard manufacturers it's basically just some asrock and some Asus boards. The Intel ones were literally regardless of board designer, even server boards were having the issues.
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Nochange36@reddit

I thought this was determined to be the fault of *some* motherboard manufacturers not keeping their voltages within spec or did I miss something?
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ThatFabio@reddit

Yeah, some Asus on the Ryzen 7000 gen and some ASRock on the 9000 gen are killing chips
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NunButter@reddit

For Asrock boards, as long as you're updated to BIOS 3.25 or newer they've fixes most issues
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wodneueh571@reddit

Check r/asrock \-- there is a dead X3Ds just about every single day, and many posts claim to be on updated BIOS versions >= 3.25. I'm not quite sure they fixed this one...
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ColaCat2200@reddit

Yeah, it was a BIOS issue. Same with intel, BIOS issue. Don't know all the details, but neither company is fully blameless or fully to blame.
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lovely_sombrero@reddit

No, with Intel all motherboard manufacturers were complying with Intel requirements and standards. The degradation issue was entirely an Intel problem. Even recent Intel BIOS "fixes" that try to keep voltage spikes in check haven't fully fixed the problem and also they had to cut down on the boosting behavior.
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HankG93@reddit

Well, unkess im mistaken, one is a chip manufacturer issue, and one is a motherboard manufacturer issue...
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ColaCat2200@reddit

You could be right. My original statement came across a bit like i was speaking facts, maybe, when all I know is some surface level stuff. You certainly couldn't quiz me on it. I am a big fan of AMD, just find it funny how the BIOS issues seem 1 sided.
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Robborboy@reddit

That's because the issue was with a single OEM, ASRock, not AMD.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

It was only Asrock? I thought it was multiple manufacturers. I know intel's issue was also BIOS related.
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b-maacc@reddit

Intel’s issue was primarily due to a microcode error for the CPU itself, bios setting could worsen this issue. It was not all entirely a bios issue. https://community.intel.com/t5/Mobile-and-Desktop-Processors/Intel-Core-13th-and-14th-Gen-Desktop-Instability-Root-Cause/m-p/1633442
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HankG93@reddit

Intels issue was the microcode. Not sure if that qualify as being bios related.
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Kalmer1@reddit

That was a specific motherboard manufacturer with Asrock, not AMDs fault.
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ColaCat2200@reddit

As i mentioned in another comment, don't know the details, but the fix for both intel AND AMD is a new BIOS.
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Darkknight1939@reddit

Asrock was operating within AMD's provided spec.
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garulousmonkey@reddit

AMD makes better CPU’s for several years now. The enthusiast market has been there for a while…the prebuilt market is just starting to catch up.
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ChanceHelp@reddit

Intel has had issues with the last 2 series of processors, and the AMD processors are a better deal for the price right now.
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ConsistencyWelder@reddit

Intel is betting on e-cores. But e-cores do not do anything for gaming. If anything, they hurt your gaming performance by introducing stuttering when Windows doesn't handle the scheduling well. The only way to make sure not to get stuttering is by disabling the e-cores in the BIOS, but that turns your CPU into an 8 core CPU. At which point you're better off getting either a 9800X3D or a 9950X3D.
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tangerinelion@reddit

Because they make a better chip.
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Jazzlike_Ad267@reddit

Intel are delusional with ai and e-cores. Which is the main reason I went 12700k to 9800x3d The amount of e-cores in newer intel chips is outrageous.
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Ok-Parfait-9856@reddit

Fuck this community is toxic…makes pcmr look like heaven
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Lutak64@reddit

My 7800x3D is super efficient and also not hot. It destroys on benchmarks also with liquid cooling.
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NebulaAccording8846@reddit

"Out-of-the-box", AMD CPUs outperform Intel CPUs. Intel CPUs are still a little bit better if you put time and money into proper cooling, memory and tuning. But your CPU choice only matters if you have a 4090/5090. Otherwise, you'll be GPU-limited and have identical FPS in games at QHD and 4K resolutions.
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GreenKumara@reddit

DOGSHIT.
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thenord321@reddit

Intel is prevalent as always in work laptops and desktop and tons of consumer goods. But, AMD has finally caught up to the gaming high end hobbiest group standards and has made market share gains. Certainly more in the discussion. Amd has been the budget cpu option for a decade+ but now offers a fuller range of performance at the top.
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MudSling3r42069@reddit

Intel was on a 13nm node for the longest time [ the smaller the nm the more transistors and circuits u can put on the tiny cpu] and at the time of ryzen amd was on i thin 7nm braking into 5 nm and the gain were mainly it used less power and that made it genrate less heat . Intel to try to keep pumped more power into the chips which kept them on par but long term it would damage the chips as they would heay up and burn the cpu. Intel is moving to a smaller nm node but their designs are hardly great ish in the first 2 primary cores they are better so for games and certian apllicarions they can beat amd but for multitreading and multi cpu intesive laods amd wins with less power . [12 gen intel was intels last good ish design and 13 had the overheat problem and 14 gen just becoming an ok power hog ] [However for cerfian things u still would want intel over amd and it comes to threads generally intel has 20-24 threads while amd has 16 . say ur gpu [nvida 5080 ti] uses pcie x16 if u put it in a amd system with a nvme drive the cpu will spit the the lanes so ur gpu is using half the bandwith it can since it has to share the lanes with the m.2 drive . But with intel u have more threads since you have have 4- 8 depending on the model [20 or 24 threads ] it would also matter if you plan on using the pcie expansion ports for wifi7 or more usb 3 , or soundcards. [Since they would also share threads with those ports so having the extra is nice ] Kinda long but unless ur a tinkerer atm amd is winning in speed compared to wattage .
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WeaklyStomach@reddit

Was supposed to go Intel for my first PC build but the whole drama about chips bricking made me go team red and I never regret it
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Pleasant_Start9544@reddit

Intel has been hot garbage for a while. I used to be an intel fan boy and in the mid 2010s they just didn't care to innovate. They got greedy and didn't care about making improvements whereas AMD was trying to get themselves out of a grave. When Ryzen came out, AMD nailed it out of the ballpark but for gaming their CPUs weren't as good as intel but were still good and amazing for productivity. Over the years and especially with the release of x3d CPUs, AMD just took over and Intel doesn't stand a chance. Intel is only better with specific niche/edge case tasks but overall you are better off buying AMD.
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trojangod@reddit

X3d chips alone are just god tier in game.
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ra246@reddit

Having had a 9800X3D arrive today (to replace my i9 9900k along with the rest of the build uogrades) this makes me happy.
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Jindouz@reddit

That's a significant upgrade so you will definitely feel the boost.
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ra246@reddit

Interestingly while I'm doing a new build, I'll be keeping my current GPU for another couple of weeks before I change to a 5070Ti. I'll be able to (sorta) compare the differences of the CPU and RAM with the same GPU, and then once I keep the 9800X3D and new RAM, I'll be able to compare between the 3070Ti and 5070Ti
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intelyay@reddit

Man I have the exact reverse. Have the 5070ti with the 9900k as I managed to pick up the card cheap. Needing to upgrade that next and think I’m going the same AMD path. Not touched AMD for a couple of decades.
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ra246@reddit

You're gonna have to set up a new username, if that's the case :| This will be the first time I've ever built my own PC. I planned it twice before but then stumbled on a great deal at the right time!
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NunButter@reddit

Its a great chip. You won't be disappointed. The 1% lows are where it shines. Everything runs so smoothly
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ra246@reddit

Yep, this was the deciding factor, especially as it was reduced to only £50 ($70(?) more expensive than the 7800X3D
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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

Yep. I took the frequency hit going from a 5600 to a 5700X3D and didn't gain much in terms of average framerates, but my 1% lows were significantly better, and my games just felt so much smoother.
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NunButter@reddit

The cache makes a massive difference in Escape from Tarkov. It's my main game and having an X3D helps tremendously
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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

MSFS2020 benefited as well in very populated areas.
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samusmaster64@reddit

At lower resolutions and settings, sure. Otherwise they don't matter much.
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Weekly-Tension-9346@reddit

It's not just recent years. In \~2010, AMD was looking at bankruptcy and implemented a multi-year\\decades-long plan to return to being a profitable competitor in the chip industry. Their public plan was to continue offering value over top performance in the consumer market, while designing more efficient higher-end server CPUs to take a chunk of Intel's complete dominance of the corporate -especially data centers- chip market. A couple years later, a handful of Intel Engineers were poached. Part of their deal involved them being given dedicated time every week to work on passion projects. Those passion projects ended up turning into the first gen 'Threadripper' CPUs. And Threadripper was where AMD finally read the memo that "more cache=better CPUs." But those didn't line up with AMD's "value proposition" corporate goals. So they stopped selling them....and a funny thing happened: the market share that they'd been gaining suddenly began shrinking. Almost like consumers and companies were saying, "We're willing to pay more for reliability and better performance." Given AMD's prior focus on efficiency and smaller\\tighter manufacturing processes the shift to better performance was more about corporate culture than manufacturing. The X3D monsters were born shortly thereafter. At the same time, Intel has been busy crapping all over it's customers and itself by taking routine recall scenarios and transforming them into full-blown customer service and PR nightmares. (\*For a LONG time, Intel has been able to just shrug and laugh with "What are you going to do? Buy AMD CPUs? HAHAHA" and it was true.) For the last 30 years, it's been Intel's game to lose. And they've been sleepwalking through it for more than the last decade. They didn't realize that AMD finally unshackled themselves and (appears to have) started playing for real. ...but the last 2 or 3 times AMD has started playing for real, just like with Threadripper, as they're on the brink of making a real market breakthrough; they suddenly decide to jump back to focusing on value rather than performance. I have hope that AMD's CEO has learned from AMD's past failures to capitalize when they've been ahead, and she'll keep pushing AMD to grab a much bigger slice of both consumer and corporate markets. For anyone who likes chips and the business of chips, it's an awesome show.
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Orpheon59@reddit

Basically, AMD have been making better chips that are clocking comparably with Intel, and have been doing so for less money. As for why... Basically everything went wrong in the early 2010s and Intel have yet to successfully unfuck themselves. First of all, that early-mid 2010s dominance of the market and performance tests that Intel was delivering, was the product of two choices: 1) the tick-tock generational model, where on the tick they would deliver a better core design (optimising and filling in space on the die mostly, having built the Core stuff kinda from the ground up (or as close to it as anyone gets), they weren't going to be doing a total rebuild *any* time soon)), and the tock would take that die and shrink it to the next process node. 2)They went all-in on speculative execution as best I can figure out - this delivered incredible performance gains by using unused capacity to execute code before the program called for it on a basis of "this typically comes next" - as a result, when the code did call for it, it already had the result waiting and didn't have to go execute that code. These two bit them on the arse, and did so *hard* - by the late 2010s, the foundry side of the business was running into severe problems with achieving the next process node (and in the end, in 2022 iirc, gave up trying to do it their way entirely and switched to TSMC's model of shrinking the transistors and not trying to increase transistor density too much), and so multiple generations were stuck on the tick - trying to squeeze ever more grunt out of the same space and transistor densities. And so they leant ever harder on speculative execution models. And then Spectre and Meltdown hit. Meltdown hit all three CPU makers, but while AMD and ARM were able to get mitigations into silicon relatively quickly, Intel really struggled - largely because Spectre (which was mostly a them problem), specifically harnessed speculative execution to hide from security software. First, there came the software fixes - microcode updates that were resulting in performance drops on the order of 40-60% performance decreases. Then there came the problem of addressing both security vulnerabilities in actual silicon, which was a mountain of a challenge - they did eventually get full mitigations into silicon... About five years or so later. As a result, especially given the foundry problems, Intel spent the late 2010s and early 2020s spinning their wheels, rebuilding their cores from the ground up pretty much, and still trying to have consistent releases of new chips to keep the shareholders happy. Meanwhile, between TSMC pushing the foundry side things faster and further than Intel (especially with the development of the chiplet model which made production of multi-core chips much, much cheaper), and AMD only having to really worry about mitigating Meltdown, AMD took a clear lead on the technical side, certainly in bang for buck, and started being able to deliver superior performance to Intel. Now, Intel still had it's reputation as the better bet for gamers and power users, and so it took a while of AMD being the better chips for gamers and PC builders to really make the move.
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Heejins-Bunny@reddit

Intel, for some reason, has been consistently shooting themselves on the foot for the last few generations. Whenever they release a CPU, it will always have one of the following issues: \- Overpriced \- Consumes too much power compared to its performance \- Heats up like crazy \- Causes weird issues that sometimes would break itself \- Slower than their AMD counterpart It used to be that Intel is king when it comes to productivity, and AMD for gaming. Nowadays, AMD takes the cake for both, with X3D chips unrivaled on gaming performance and non-X3D chips stomping on Intel offerings when it comes to productivity tasks while being offered at a much more affordable price. Tech youtubers have also been encouraging customers to go with AMD for years now because of the benefits when it comes to price and performance.
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gzero5634@reddit

they are only less common among enthusiasts.
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k20vtec@reddit

I just automatically go for what will be easier to assemble and that's definitely not fuck ass Intel
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Front-Side-6346@reddit

I'm RMAing my third 13th/14th gen intel CPU within the last year
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VersaceUpholstery@reddit

Intel shit the bed because they got too comfortable on their pedestal while AMD was making moves, advancing their tech under new management, and catering to the growing gaming market It’s a ball that really started rolling around 9th gen Intel/Ryzen 3000 series. 13th/14th gen issues was just the nail in the coffin for Intel.
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noiserr@reddit

Even Zen1 was revolutionary. People forget that you used to shell out like over $1000 (back when $1000 was like $2000) for a 8 core CPU. And Zen1 even though it wasn't the best at gaming (it was competent), gave us mainstream 8 cores. And of course not to mention the legendary longevity of AM4 socket. am4 builds with 5700x3d are still quite playable.
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bigrealaccount@reddit

Yup, still using a 5700X3D at 4K. No issues
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apollyon0810@reddit

I paid over a grand for my i7 975 and it was only 4 cores!
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andyshiue@reddit

I bought my first desktop in 2017 and am still using it with most of the components in the case swapped (old MB was broken). Of course it was AM4 and it was a pretty good deal.
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UglyInThMorning@reddit

I paid 1000 bucks for a *single* core CPU in 05, when AMD had the FX57 and was absolutely smoking Intel at the top end. I’ve gone back and forth between brands since one always seems to start slacking and then the other catches up.
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Ahnteis@reddit

This isn't the first time this same story has happened with Intel vs AMD either. Intel doesn't want to make the best processor they can - they just want make one good enough to sell.
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Affectionate-Peni436@reddit

Intel 13th and 14th gen cpus are utter jokes. And their new ultra cpus are underperforming than their last 14th gen cpu. Amd onthe other hand making bangers after bangers since their first ryzen cpu launched back in 2016-17. I can hardly remember any of the ryzen cpu that was underwhelming. Intel cpus were expensive than amd and they provide less gaming performance too. A $300 7800x3d performed much better in gaming than the intel's flagship i9 which costs double around $600 apporx. And the more expensive you go on intel side, the more expensive your cooling system gets. i9 14th gen went upto 200°C if not cooled properly. Generally a 360mm aio cooler was mandatory if you're getting i7 or i9. i5 and i7 had no significant difference when I saw them last year lol. In amd you can get away with a nice air cooler which is much cheaper and enough to keep the cpu cool. And not to mention the crashing issue that gamers faced with 13th and 14th gen cpus in mid 2024 was wild and it came outta nowhere. They though fixed the issue with mobo updates. Also people whose 13th gen intel cpu was 2 years old got oxidation issue, meaning their metal started corroding after 2 years. Same issue was found with 14th gen as well. I built a pc previous year with a Ryzen 9 7900x and 4060ti 16GB. I needed more core cpu since I work in vfx jobs. Vfx need a beefy high core cpu and high vram gpu. I did my research and found out that intel, though it had good performance ran significantly hotter than amd and need a massive cooling system. The cpu and the cooler alone was taking all my 1500$ budget. Not to mention you need a good motherboard and a power supply to handle that much heat. Intel is a double edged sword.
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SmashStrider@reddit

>i9 14th gen went upto 200°C if not cooled properly.  ??? You DO realize that CPUs have inbuilt thermal throttling that prevents them from exceeding 100°C, right? At 200°C, the motherboard would physically melt.
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Affectionate-Peni436@reddit

Yeah that's the issue with intel. It's thermal throttling is messed up. The temps were reaching upto 200°C. It was all over internet in mid 2024. You can search them too. That's why the games started crashing on intel system last year. But those issues were mostly be fixed by now by intel and other mobo companies. Intel also gave extended warranty to both 13th and 14th gen cpus. That was a W move but I don't know about the Rma status of intel. I've heard asus's Rma is a joke.
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bigrealaccount@reddit

Ever since the 3000 series released, specifically the 3700X, AMD has just been absolutely wiping the floor with AMD. Especially when they introduced their X3D chips, to which Intel still doesn't have an answer for.
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IWillAssFuckYou@reddit

Because for gaming purposes, the 12th gen series were the last good CPUs made by them and now LGA1700 is a dead platform. The Ultra series is superior in productivity, but a lot of people just don't trust Intel after the instability issues that plagued the 13th and 14th gen CPUs which had rated TDPs over 65W.
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Geddagod@reddit

The Ultra series is not superior in productivity.
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IWillAssFuckYou@reddit

It actually is superior compared to comparable models. It's just gaming where it is inferior. AMD however has the best performing one, which is the 9950X but if we're talking all Ultra Series against comparable models up until the 9900X, Intel is actually a winner and is especially more useful in media editing with quicksync existing.
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skelly890@reddit

I’ve got an Ultra 285k. I doubt I’d notice any difference in gaming, but that’s probably just me. All the top end processors are beasts, but the built in Thunderbolt on the Intel mobo just moved the needle on the dial. The lack of an upgrade path is annoying, but I don’t plan to upgrade for a few years. Low power consumption is nice.
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_dekoorc@reddit

I have a 265k. It does great gaming, thunderbolt on the mobo is great, and it drops down to 15W at idle. And I got a deal on the chip. I can't complain.
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Round_Ad_6369@reddit

My ultra 275hx is incredible. No complaints here
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IWillAssFuckYou@reddit

I highly doubt instability is ever going to be a problem on the Intel Core Ultra series CPUs. Those CPUs can 100% game for sure, the thing is that it seems like they're designed in favor of productivity rather than gaming. That's not to say that they cannot suffice in gaming scenarios, it's just that they're not as good as AMD as they have the more impressive numbers to back them in such scenarios. I don't mean to sound like you absolutely have to go AMD for the best gaming experience. I game on a DDR4 Core i9-12900k and I feel like I'm doing amazing and I'm getting the performance I want outside of games just being terribly optimized (in which there are no good solutions from the user's side to that).
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vitek6@reddit

Plagued? How many cpus were affected?
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IWillAssFuckYou@reddit

Hard to say exactly. One company saw failure rates as high as 100%. Some of Intel's biggest clients where seeing anywhere from 10-50%. Intel was claiming a 1% failure rate and many question if it is even true at all. With recent BIOS updates, it's going to be lower as Intel finally found a solution after five attempts but it does not fix already damaged CPUs (new CPUs are fine, but still five attempts does not inspire confidence). You can also come across many posts where people had their affected CPUs RMA'ed as much as 2-3 times before Intel finally patched the problem.
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vitek6@reddit

Do you have any source of those numbers?
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IWillAssFuckYou@reddit

I could be wrong, but I do recall Alderon being one of the first to report this: [https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes](https://alderongames.com/intel-crashes) They're a game development company which game across these issues and saw thousands of crashes on the right Intel CPUs from customers via crash reports. [https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/13th-and-14th-gen-intel-cpu-instability-also-hits-servers](https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/13th-and-14th-gen-intel-cpu-instability-also-hits-servers) This article basically goes into what YouTuber Level1Techs discussed in his video which is also linked in the article, but basically he found that almost 50% of the servers in which he got telemetry info from had stability issues. The problem is so bad that in fact that one provider was charging a premium for their Intel Core i9 systems due to the amount of problems they were having. The failure rates were more pronounced in server or the development side of things and less so in the consumer side, likely due to them being more likely to go for i9s which demand more powerful while consumers are less likely to pick such high end hardware. It is however still bad enough that to this day, you can still see frequent posts of people here on this page mentioning Intel instability issues on those specific affected CPUs to some degree (very rarely do you ever hear anyone talk about this on any other CPU). Some CPUs did make it out fine. There were cases where some affected CPUs had instability and installing the latest BIOS fixed it, but if real damage was done there was nothing that a BIOS update could fix.
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stingertc@reddit

Because there last top cause we're melting and AMD has had the best cause lately
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Xin946@reddit

AMD care. About their products, the consumers, and the future. Intel just don't. AMD are future proofing and making future guarantees to their customers, Intel can't even stick to one active socket. AMD are giving good price to performance and reliability, including reasonable power draw and temps. Intel on the other hand, are providing none of that. AMD are at the front of new technology advancements, whereas Intel just aren't even investing.
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Geddagod@reddit

AMD does not care, at all. Plenty of examples can be found of AMD doing anti-consumer shit as well.
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Xin946@reddit

Not really, and nothing close to the recent behaviour shown by Intel.
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NotAStarflyerAgent@reddit

People are telling you that it's because AMD's product is better, but not why it's better. AMD never had their own foundry/fabs so they used TSMC's architecture. TSMC has a positive feedback loop: they had the best fabs so Apple would design their iPhone chips to be built on TSMC's architecture and buy out the most advanced manufacturing process at TSMC in advance before it even existed, allowing TSMC to invest huge amounts of money into R+D to deliver newer and better chip fabs and architectures. Once all the iPhones came out, AMD could come in after and get their chips built on almost the newest process, which was getting better all the time. Meanwhile, Intel is both a chip designer \*and\* a fab. And since they are their only customer, they couldn't invest nearly as much because they didn't have Apple's volume behind them, and they wouldn't since Apple wanted to design their own ARM-based chips. So their manufacturing process slowly fell more and more behind. Now they're in deep trouble because there's this vicious cycle killing their foundry business which is dragging down the whole company. The new Intel GPUs are good, but that's because they finally adapted the AMD model and have TSMC make their GPU chips!
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SailorMint@reddit

>AMD never had their own foundry/fabs Are you sure about that? Anyway, Intel 10nm fiasco / Intel 14nm+++++ / Raptor Lake degradation aren't just memes, they're symptoms of multiple decades of poor management and squandered funds.
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NotAStarflyerAgent@reddit

You're right, they spun off their manufacturing arm as GlobalFoundries in 2009! Which honestly makes this whole thing worse. Intel should have done the same.
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Geddagod@reddit

I very much agree with you, but Gelsinger pretty much fully committed to Intel keeping their foundries at least till the end of this decade, if not a couple years after that. There's no backing out now unfortunately.
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House_King@reddit

Because intel has been making the same shit for the last 10 years and AMD has actually been innovating
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Geddagod@reddit

Arrow Lake, for all its faults, is *different*. Intel absolutely has not been doing the same shit the past couple of years.
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OrnDipper@reddit

Intel is shifting its focus to AI technologies, rather than CPUs. It's stupid, but that's the way of the tech bros.
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Geddagod@reddit

Are they? They cancelled Falcon Shores and Rialto Bridge, their last 2 AI data center GPUs.
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Barrerayy@reddit

Because they are better. Intel can't compete in any use case anymore. Ryzen is better than consumer Intel, Threadripper is better than Xeon workstation, Epyc is better than Xeon server.
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Geddagod@reddit

They compete well in mobile
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holt2ic2@reddit

This shouldn’t be a question. As long as you aren’t a blinded Intel fanboy then there really is no reason why you shouldn’t get an AMD cpu. Intel has been on the downfall since zen 2. And today Intel is pretty much irrelevant in the desktop and laptop field
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Geddagod@reddit

Intel arguably has a better laptop lineup than AMD at the moment
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Exituslethalis700@reddit

Gen 13th/14th intel cpus have a whole lotta issues even without OC and stuff. aMD is a reliable brand and you know what youre getting for your money.
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The_Silent_One_0@reddit

Intel has had issues with 13th and 14th gen processors. AMD has been better for gaming and hasn't had the same issues. AMD also maintains their CPU sockets for longer which allows people to jump 3-4 generations without swapping out motherboard/ram.
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RainFR98@reddit

AMD does have the same issues especially on Asrock and Asus.
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Addison1024@reddit

On specific vendors' boards, for a single cpu (unless something new has happened that I missed), in smaller quantities. The Intel issue could and probably did effect any desktop chip over a certain wattage (I think it was 60 watts) 
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RainFR98@reddit

Not for a single CPU, there is dead 9600x,9700x, 9950x, and x3ds. Asus recently had dead 9950x.
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FragrantGas9@reddit

In quantities of hundreds vs hundreds of thousands.
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PotatoFromFrige@reddit

If the issues are on motherboards from specific vendors and not others, it’s a vendor issue.
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Curun@reddit

expensive, power sucking hotter less efficient, less stable, less performance
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QuirkyImage@reddit

Because they had the monopoly and stifled innovation. Now these other companies have come through and are doing some great innovation disrupting Intels marketplace. Intel failed with smartphone processors, its laptop processors have been too limiting and they lost out on the GPU market. Intel kind of reminds me of lBM they failed to keep up with change.
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Sw4GGeR__@reddit

AMD has shown us that they can make awesome CPUs, and Intel had issues keeping up... if only this. Intel just got what they deserve after offering quad-core CPUs for a near decade without a single change.
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Antenoralol@reddit

X3D's are unmatched for gaming. Only time Intel's recommendable is if you need it for work or productivity reasons.
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WatchOutItsTheViper@reddit

primarily price to performance. While Intel was forced to update the same chips, AMD entered the market with more cores and threads at lower prices. When you contrasted Intel's frequent new boards with AM4's long socket support, people began to defect. Intel was finally awakened by competition.
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Lunam_Dominus@reddit

Intel is dying
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user007at@reddit

Just in the DIY Market. Intel still goes strong in the OEM market and has 70% marketshare.
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SmashStrider@reddit

The subreddit is r/buildapc so it does refer largely to the DIY market in the post.
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user007at@reddit

The point is that they were generally speaking, not just about that sub.
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SmashStrider@reddit

Even generally speaking, Intel CPUs are less common than before, and AMD CPUs are on the rise (look at the increase in market share, not just their current market share). Intel is losing market share, while AMD is gaining, so technically speaking the OPs statement is correct. Intel CPUs are less common than before, even if still in the majority.
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BetweenThePosts@reddit

Also for anyone who says “LOoK aT Intel MaRKetshaRe”, I say look at Intel’s profits last few years. They’re selling chips at a loss just to keep market share from continued shrinking
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SmashStrider@reddit

This should be mentioned more. Their gross profit itself has largely tanked a lot, due to their chips being too expensive to manufacture (and to add fuel to fire, their sales have been just reducing), not to mention their operating margins have gone completely negative.
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vurun@reddit

Because before \~Zen2/3 AMD made shit. So Intel had no need to invent anthing, they just pushed TDP and clocks and eventually lost momentum. There are literally no reasons to buy Intel CPU now unless you have CPU-dependant workloads that favours Intel. Basically Zen4/5 got you covered in 99% of tasks on the same socket (probably it's a safe bet to include Zen6 in AM5 family).
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SailorMint@reddit

AMD had the edge for most of the 2000s. But people seem to forget about everything pre-Bulldozer.
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SmashStrider@reddit

They lost their edge after Intel released their Core uArch, but before that, they were extremely competitive.
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gowiththeflow123@reddit

Ryzen has narrowed the performance gap and even surpass if we talk about the 3D V-Cache. Intel fab lost their fab advantage over TSMC a while back and thus not able to keep up with the latest node. AM4 is a 10year old socket now and AM5 will also last a while, while Intel change socket every generation making the upgrade more costly.
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vitek6@reddit

That’s exactly why lga1700 had three generations.
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SmashStrider@reddit

'Generations' is very generous, considering that 12th Gen was the only proper gen, 13th gen was just 12th gen with more cores, frequency, and cache per core, while 14th gen was literally just overclocked 13th gen. Not to mention, the latter 2 'gens' had plaguing issues for a sizeable chunk of its lifespan till now.
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YetiG08@reddit

Mostly marketing and trashing intel on Reddit…real world performance, plenty of data to pick for yourself.
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alphonse03@reddit

Trust went down the drain with their last few gens.
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nilslorand@reddit

They kinda suck
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_zir_@reddit

More power efficient, better for gaming. Pretty simple.
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Ed0x86@reddit

Cause they sucks
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msing@reddit

Intel shipped K-series 13th/14th Gen which are inherently flawed. Intel got stuck on 14nm chips, they didn’t embrace EUV lithography from TSMC early on and let Nvidia, AMD play with it. Intel never read the market right besides making desktops and regular data center computing. They lost out on mobile, they lost out on Apple, they didn’t bother with GPUs (AI)until way too late. Or their acquisitions were bundled.
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dustmanrocks@reddit

People will say performance, but the issue is actually price.
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Away-Independence407@reddit

I refuse to use AMD the HP laptop im using right now has a Core I5-1135G7 in it i grew up on Intel and im staying on Intel
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bdoll1@reddit

Intel had QC issues with oxidation and other production issues that led to failures in a couple generations of their CPUs. They also run hotter than AMD and perform worse outside of a few niche workstation tasks while not lowering their prices to reflect their poor value in the modern day. It was bizarre upgrading from a 6700k to a 9800X3D. I haven't been on AMD since the 90s but they make they make the objectively better chips now.
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Repulsive_Ocelot_738@reddit

3D V-Cache
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mydarkerside@reddit

AMD made equivalent or better chips for less money. Nuff said. And the stigma of AMD being inferior chips really starting going away by 2010. I started buying AMD in about 2007 and finally stopped buying Intel by like 2010.
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UngodlyPain@reddit

Wtf are you smoking? In like 2007-2009 AMD was often the more popular one with DIY builders. It was like 2010-2013 where AMD ruined everything. And then like 2017 when they came back with Ryzen and more like 2019-2021 before the stigma went away
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UglyInThMorning@reddit

Back to like 04 even, the FX57 in 05 was simply the best processor out there if you could afford it. They were pushing instructions per clock and it got filthy. Then they shit the bed for a while, then Intel shit the bed for a while. Same as it ever was.
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MagicPistol@reddit

Uhh no, the stigma about amd didn't turn around til Ryzen launched in 2017. I've been using AMD since k6 and athlons, but even I switched to Intel in the early 2010s. My last Intel build was a 6600k in 2016.
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mydarkerside@reddit

There are many stages and eras to computing and companies. I've been building and upgrading PC's since 1992. From 1992 to the mid 2000's, I wouldn't dare touch touch anything other than an Intel chip. But around 2007, I started buying cheap Dell desktops with AMD chips to use as media PC's. But the problem around then is AMD was seen as a reliable, but still budget chipmaker, not for gaming or really intensive processing. Then we get to Lisa Su and the Ryzen era. You also have Nvidia taking over the server, data center, and AI business. If you had told me in 1992 that AMD would be 2.5x the market cap of Intel and Donald Trump was a 2 term president, I wouldn't spat my drink in your face and called you an idiot.
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PsyOmega@reddit

You completely missed the bulldozer era. Between 2011 and 2016/17 Intel was vastly superior to the point Intel dropped the ball on R&D and let ryzen take such a massive lead.
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MagicPistol@reddit

2000s was when amd caught up to Intel with athlon and athlon 64. 2010s was when amd dropped the ball with bulldozer.
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t90fan@reddit

\> didn't turn around til Ryzen launched in 2017.  Even then it was a rocky start, I remember being really pissed off with my Ryzen 1700 because they had a manufacturing defect in early batches where they would just crash randomly
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velociraptorfarmer@reddit

It was really around the Zen 2 (3000 series) release where AMD vs Intel really became a legitimate conversation. That was the point where RAM compatibility wasn't as much of an issue, and the performance was legitimately there. Zen 3 is where AMD took the lead, and then cemented it with the first X3D release.
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MagicPistol@reddit

Yeah, I went from a core i5 6600k to a Ryzen 2600x. People called it a sidegrade, which I guess it was, but I was glad to have the extra cores, and was able to upgrade later on am4.
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halodude423@reddit

FX(AM3+) was pretty bad, FM2/+ had okay value but no upgrades. They needed a 6 core on Fm2/+.
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gblawlz@reddit

AMD really started getting good performance with zen3 and onward, and then 3d cache was/is a big win. Intel was doing quite well up until cpu degradation reports started flowing in for 13/14th gen, and then 15th gen was pretty underwhelming, while AMD kept making solid gains.
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Convoke_@reddit

The last good intel generation was the 12gen. I dont think there has been a single bad ryzen generation.
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-Gath69-@reddit

Intel's CEO recently admitted they aren't even in the top 10 in the Semi Conductor game anymore. Oh how the mighty have fallen. They bombed with 13th and 14th Gen chips that featured e-cores that degrade performance quickly. AMD crushed them with 3D Cache chips and have always had an edge on pricing, so now people are finally joining those of us that have been on team red for almost 2 decades.
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Eddie_Rambaldo_Gomez@reddit

People are getting cheap
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Irdiarrur@reddit

Good
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thanhame@reddit

AMD is definitely more popular for gaming, workstation PC at the higher end of the spectrum. However, for office use, intel's i3-12100 that is still readily available is very hard to beat in term of price vs performance. I would have to spend around 20 - 30% more for an office PC with AMD that office workers won't be able to tell the difference. All the office PCs we have purchased recently are simple machines with I3-12100, 16gb of ram and 1tb of SSD + 24" screen. It's indeed a said affair that Intel is now only competitive at the lowest end, which won't make them a lot of profit.
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enorbet@reddit

Recent Intel CEOs have focused on stock manipulation and spent less on R&D and fabrication. Still decent performance but run hot AF... not keeping up with reduced power draw per performance.
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recksss@reddit

during the intel 12th gen and ryzen 5xxx series it was really competitive. Then at intel's 13th and 14th gen the TDP and efficiency is just bollocks compared to AMD, and the x3d chips just sealed the deal - cementing AMD as the go-to from here on. That and the lack of confidence because of the 13th gen and 14th gen microcode and deterioration issues, paired with the Ultra cores lack of performance gains vs the 9xxx series
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MistSecurity@reddit

It's a bit of a multi-pronged issue. People will point to the degradation/gaslighting of the 13/14th gen, but really it's because AMD stepped up a lot over since the Ryzen 3000 series. People will basically ALWAYS pick the best performing gear for the money they want to spend when making decisions on a PC. The same people who point at Intel's issues as the reason they don't build Intel machines likely use Nvidia graphics cards, and they've basically pulled a lot of the same shit. Most PC builds you see are VERY geared towards gaming, where Ryzen CPUs perform the best. Intel has some niche uses in SOME productivity apps at certain price points, but since AMD dominates the gaming scene, you see a lot of them. Intel has lost its competitive edge, basically. If they were cheaper they'd become viable options, but with their price it's really hard to opt for them over AMD unless you have a very specific use-case where Intel chips win out.
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ShamedSalesman@reddit

AMD makes a better product at a better price. Intel updates their sockets too much, and i am more happy that AMD has a better track record on that front. Plus, AMD ryzen just sounds better than Intel Inside
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Final-Rush759@reddit

X3D is good for gaming. Otherwise, AMD and Intel perform similarly. EPYC server chips are better Xeon chips on average. For some workload Xeon chips are better.
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JonWood007@reddit

Intel stagnated and made several missteps, AMD has improved. I think AMD is overrated given the rabid fanbase online, but yeah for the top end at least AMD is uncontested, and is pretty competitive through the rest of the stack too.
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Vb_33@reddit

X3D AMD CPUs are faster in gaming. That's the real reason, Intel has had good architectures like Alder Lake but they've never had a big cache CPU like X3D (other than that 1 off broadwell). Next gen nova lake is rumored to have a competitor.  Regular Zen 5 vs Arrow Lake is fine, Zen 4 vs raptor lake was fine (but raptor had the CPU frying issue). Alder Lake vs Zen 3 was fine but it's always the X3D CPUs that kill Intel in gaming.
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myhui@reddit

Because AMD switched to using TSMC as a fab and benefited from the leading edge fabrication process. That's a law of physics advantage that's impossible for Intel to compete with.
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SailorMint@reddit

It's not that simple. Arrow Lake had node parity, yet ended up being a regression from from Raptor Lake.
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pm_me_ur_side8008@reddit

AMD has been making really good products for thel ast few years, and intel was to comfortable with where they were at and released to cpus that were killing themselves and tried blaming everyone else but their own ineptitude.
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nocturn-e@reddit

Because they've been better?
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Sol33t303@reddit

Because AMD has been making better CPUs, and Intel has been making worse ones. Thats all there is too it really.
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Zitchas@reddit

I'm not sure what we can tell you. AMD has made some better CPUs, and Intel has made some worse ones? It's not like they chose to have the market go this way, it's just the way things have ended up. It's practically luck of the draw, from a layperson stand point. For all the fans of one brand or the other, a very large portion of the gamer / PC builder community value benchmarks over brand identity. Whichever brand makes the best CPU, that's what people are going to go with. Especially if they have a few good CPUs in a row so people get some confidence in them and it's not just a fluke.
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godlytoast3r@reddit

....is this ragebait?
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memeofconsciousness@reddit

It worked.
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val-is-gooning@reddit

orr whatever engagement bait is called here
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DYMAXIONman@reddit

AMD better for gaming currently
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deadmazebot@reddit

I'm will be annoying. Less common in what? General laptop/desktops sold? Of just PC builds on this sub? in general Intel still about 80% share of x86 market. With AMD increasing year on year with Intel decreasing. Some of that is servers, which AMD seems to being pushing a higher share of new design servers. Walk around any mainsteam office, most all those machines will be intel. As to PC Build, price to power. aka bang for buck.
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Luuk341@reddit

Because they are comparatively worse in performance, but they are also more expensive, for some reason
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These-Tradition6732@reddit

After the 12th generation, they have no products to show for themselves, no matter in terms of performance or other aspects.
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RTXEnabledViera@reddit

Cause of this tiny woopsie doopsie where they, I don't know, sold defective CPUs then lied about it then tried to patch it but never refunded nor replaced them.
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Logic-DL@reddit

cause they're cheaper for not much performance loss or you get a lot more performance gain than Intel. Intel charges like $400 per CPU at this point while AMD will charge less than half that for a similar CPU if not better. And their CPU's that ARE $400 are WAY better than Intel.
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Greetingsmon@reddit

What does Intel have that's in the same league as the 9800 x3d for gaming?
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Affectionate-Mud-595@reddit

They shit and stuff
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tupperwarez@reddit

I think intel cpus nowadays don’t match up well with amd’s pricing at the same price point, amd offers better performance
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OkStrategy685@reddit

I still have an intel cpu but the thing that makes me consider an AMD build is the e cores. I think they're for laptops not desktops. I want an actual 16 core cpu. If intel doesn't make one before my next build ( that I can afford) I'll be going AMD. It's pretty much a no brainer on who to buy your GPU from. Nvidia prices are ridiculous.
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AbsolutlyN0thin@reddit

Idk for the current gen, but the i9-14900k was beating the 9800x3d (I think that was the top AMD chip at the time), for productivity (NOT for gaming though). I'm pretty sure 8 full + 16 half cores is better than just 16 full cores for very multi threaded stuff. Of course the Intel chip had some uh... other issues...
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AtomicNixon@reddit

I'm running a 9950x and it gets a brutal 5.2 Tflops at stock timings.
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anakaine@reddit

I've recently gone to an AMD 9800X3D build, partially because of the ecore issue, and partially because I've had two machines with issues with intels 13th generation.  I've had the new machine for a little bit now and its totally worth the change over. I've been I tel for the past 15 years and Im glad I jumped across this time.
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enivecivokkee@reddit

1- The 13th and 14th generations are problematic. 2- The gaming performance of the series released under the name Ultra is very bad. 3-Socket types are constantly changing. That's why people don't choose Intel to use new processors with the same motherboard.
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DarkShade-EVO@reddit

The last few generations of cpu from intel underperform and/or plague with issues. Which damage brand a good amount even if they turn out a decent generation cpu
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hesjustsleeping@reddit

That's social media and custom builds. But check Dell, or HP, or Lenovo store and you will see a different picture.
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legatesprinkles@reddit

Intel has been unexciting. As far as gaming benchmarks are concerned AMD CPUs are impressive for cost/value. X3D CPUs for gaming are beating Intel's newest for far less. Intel 13/14 gens had huge power consumption out of box and degradation issues for not a lot of gain against AMD or even intel's previous gens. The Ultra series was a minor uplift at best and even a step backwards in some tests at worst while also asking those premium prices even for their lowest end. All while AMD has only gone through 2 sockets, X3D benchmarks for even the 5800X3D in gaming staying above intel's latest, and leap in benchmarks people saw in the 9000s X3D chips. Intel has not been exciting with too high a price. If you get a good deal on a 12 gen and up intel, its still a very capable CPU if you dont get any degradation issues with the 13/14 gens.
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hcaoRRoach@reddit

They burned their customer base pretty hard with their 13th and 14th gen processors and they haven't really recovered since then.
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Boofster@reddit

Because you haven't figured out how to use the search button
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BlastMode7@reddit

Intel has had a lot of problems with their architecture. They didn't see AMD as a threat when Ryzen came out, even mocked them. They were stagnant for years, and then when AMD started innovating, Intel was already at a disadvantage. They couldn't get 10nm working, and kept refreshing 14nm. Once they finally started innovating, moving in the 12th gen, they killed the momentum and they lost consumer trust with how they handled the failures of the 13th and 14th Gen chips. Then they decided in a rebranding of their consumer chips, which I feel was a misstep and the latest chips under perform compared to AMD in gaming. That's why they're losing market share in the consumer space. They're also losing market share in the enterprise space because they have no real answer for EPYC and Threadripper.
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OstrichPaladin@reddit

Better CPU, better price.
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Addison1024@reddit

The Intel 13th and 14th gen were just blasting wattage at the chips to pull more performance out of them, which made them less power efficient than amd and possibly harder to cool. That power usage also wrecked a lot of CPUs before intel updated the microcode. The core ultra desktop chips are much more power efficient at cost of some performance. AMD's x3d chips are also just the best cpus for gaming
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Thomas_Coast@reddit

Intel is cooked (quite literally)
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SpitefulRedditScum@reddit

I’ve just replaced my last build from 2018 i9 9900k with the 9800x3d And the RtX 2080 with RX 9070 XT. First time going AMD! I’ll be putting it together when the gfx card arrives in the next week or so
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Alpha_Knugen@reddit

Simply because AMD is better. Intel have had issues and their newest cpus are not even better for gaming then their last gen cpus.
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B4RLx-@reddit

Because longevity! Am4 lasted near enough 10 years and is still a great choice for those upgrading from old hardware and wanting a cheap pathway. Now am5 should hopefully last about the same. Whereas intel only really get about 2 generations of a socket generation meaning you have to upgrade more often to stay relevant. AMD’s X3D cpus are crazy good too for gaming performance. Intel have to create cpus that consume 3x the power just to get anywhere near in gaming performance.
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Leneord1@reddit

AMD has had better CPUs for a few generations
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CMDR-LT-ATLAS@reddit

Incel Intel trash CPU vs. the Ultra Gigachad AMD Ryzen CPU
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someoneirrelevant17@reddit

Less common? According to who? Intel still holds 78% of the market share!!!! Idk where you get your sources or ideas of less common. I dont know one person that owns Amd.
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eyeluvdrew@reddit

I’m using an i7 11700k at 1440p which is roughly equal to an R5 5800X and I’ve had zero issues at all. According to the hardware unboxed cpu scaling video I would need an rtx 5080, 4090 or 5090 to see cpu bottlenecking except in specific games that are known for being cpu intensive. I think people overestimate how much cpu they actually need
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Menora-valk@reddit

They burn
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darthjoey91@reddit

All I know is that the last time I bought an Intel CPU, it got throttled after less than a year to mitigate the Spectre/Meltdown vulnerabilities.
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Overall-Tailor8949@reddit

For a near workstation class system (consumer grade parts) I'd quote an Intel LGA1851. For a general purpose system I'd quote a non-X3D AM5 For a gaming box it would be an X3D AM5 For a workstation (pro everything) I'd quote a TRX90 Threadripper build So three out of four I'd go with AMD processors. These things tend to go in cycles, right now Intel is having issues (and they know it) and AMD is riding high and hopefully they'll remember when it was the other way around.
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The_Maker18@reddit

Intel sat on their market share and did nothing to make big improvements. Add on faulty manufacturing design. That results in cpus dying, they have fallen. AMD has been continuously working to improve and build whole intel idled. Big part is intel stop innovation in a lot of their markets and thought they would be fine. A classic act of what happens when you stop competing. TSMC took the fab market while intel was floundering on what areas to focus on. Lost the data center by not pushing innovation. Thought all their partners would continue with their chips yet Apple and others moved to arm base. Hurts to see because I know a lot of engineers who worked at intel and it is a big management and investor problem. Timelines never stuck to, investors searching short term gains while long term investments needed to be made. A huge switch from engineering mindset to financial quarter mindset. Could go on.
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Mushie101@reddit

Unless you are doing blender or video editing editing, the intel chips are terrible value. I’ve been researching for a while as I am about to build a computer. And the 15th gen chips are so poorly priced and the motherboards are more expensive as well. I’ve always been intel, but about to go 9800x3d. I mostly game but do a bit of animation and video editing and I still couldn’t justify it.
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Word_Underscore@reddit

No, sadly no one knows. Not even one reason. We're curious too. u/fortywithau40
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AnnieBruce@reddit

Intel shit the bed with 13th and 14th gen reliability, and unlike when FDIV happened(under certain circumstances the original Pentium returned the wrong value for division operations), there is a viable x86 competitor for high end parts.
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Dynablade_Savior@reddit

Better performance per watt, per dollar, with more paths to upgrade for cheaper in the future
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HisDivineOrder@reddit

Intel gave up.
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Successful_Pea_247@reddit

Cause intel is ass
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TooFatTooDance@reddit

Intel sucks it kind of checks out my government is buying 10% of the shares.
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ryo4ever@reddit

At this point Intel CPUs shouldn’t command a premium anymore. They should really sell them cheaper than AMD.
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thinkscience@reddit

More cores that work, for way less price ! The whole world was moving towards more cores ! 
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Jirekianu@reddit

It really just boils down to AMD having made a better product at a competitive price point. For the last few years the Ryzen series of CPUs have been doing very well. Few issues past the first two gens of them, and really good bang for the buck. They went from the much cheaper and almost as good option... To the competitively priced and hands down better option for 90% of use cases for end users. Intel has had a lot of issues with stagnated improvements in processor performance, manufacturing defects, and other problems.
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catal1s@reddit

That's not true anymore, especially in the lower end segment. The 14600K @ 145-150 eur / usd is hard to beat in terms of price to perf.
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Demonio_Lou@reddit

Because AMD offers lower prices and similar raw power (even better in some cases), excellent APUs, platforms with broad support, etc.
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a_rogue_planet@reddit

In short, 13th and 14th gen Intel chips had serious manufacturing defects, along with running blazing hot. The 15th gen are made by TSMC now so the defects aren't the problem they were, but they're still very poor value. For gaming specifically, an AMD chip costing half or 2/3rds will demolish the best 15th gen Intel chips. For creation work loads the difference is less, but Ryzen 9 is still a much better value.
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guidelrey@reddit

Idk I used to just get intel, had quite a few problems with cpu, both laptop and pc I switch to amd few years ago and honestly just way better experience, my current amd cpu is amazing
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Omuk7@reddit

Intel kinda just gave up on the gaming market, it seems. I’m very grateful that AMD hasn’t been taking advantage of this near-monopoly they have on gaming CPUs right now. The Ryzen 5’s and the X3D’s are better than ever.
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always_banned69@reddit

Intel cpus dying too gast duebtonfabricationnproocesses
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ButterscotchSlow8879@reddit

Amd caught up, you pay almost double for a Intel CPU for the same performance.
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Sbarty@reddit

AM4 socket and X3D annihilated Intel 
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01001010anek@reddit

IME
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Naerven@reddit

For home usage AMD has had the better product.
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Top-Yellow-4994@reddit

For the same money spent (or even cheaper) an AMD CPU is faster, cooler and more power efficient. So that's that...
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Hungry_Reception_724@reddit

AMD has basically been making better overall CPUs and much more budget friendly since rizen came out with more cores and more processing power for less money. and once the X3D chips came out they stole the gaming market. Couple that with intel fucking up the microcode on their 14th gen CPUs causing them to self destruct and shooting themselves in the foot with the Ultra lineup through confusing names and not to much performance increase over 14th gen. Its really not hard to see why AMD has shot up through the roof. Not to mention the threadripper and EPYC series productivity and server chips blowing intels 24core Xeon out of the water they won that battle.
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AtomicNixon@reddit

It's all about the yields. Intel's adherance to monolithic architectures meant they were getting 5%, if, on their top chips. Meanwhile Amd did an end-run, and Infinity Fabric subsrat freed them up to bundle chipletts, chippletts that had yields of 80-90%. At that point, Intel was the walking dead. They ended up selliing $10,000 top-shelf silicon for $2,000, just for top-dog bragging rights, and AMD was out-performing those with $1,000 "glued together" packages. It was glorious. :D [Adam Nixon's answer to Why are AMD's \[CPU\] chips cheaper than Intel's? - Quora](https://www.quora.com/Why-are-AMDs-CPU-chips-cheaper-than-Intels/answer/Adam-Nixon-33)
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catal1s@reddit

>AMD Achieves 40% CPU Market Share For The First Time In Steam Gaming Survey [https://hothardware.com/news/amd-chips-intel-lead-hitting-40-share-steam-first-time](https://hothardware.com/news/amd-chips-intel-lead-hitting-40-share-steam-first-time) 40 > 60, interesting, you learn something new every day.
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leroyjenkinsdayz@reddit

They dropped the ball several generations in a row so now we’re on to a new monopoly until Intel or someone else can compete again
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Tridus@reddit

AMD has better performance, lower power usage (and thus heat) at high load, stable platforms like AM4/AM5 that give lengthy upgrade paths, and good pricing. At the end of the day, AMD's product has simply been better for several generations now and the market is reacting accordingly.
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StevenGBP@reddit

Still rocking my i7 14700kf.. rma’d free and it was a pretty smooth process.. I love this chip.
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IrishMexican59@reddit

Intel had some issues that have largely been fixed through bios updates and AMD took advantage of the bad publicity.
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Comfortable_Hair9380@reddit

My 9800x3d chills at 65 degrees with cinebench running, just saying
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g_rich@reddit

Because AMD makes better desktop CPU’s.
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Sealife78@reddit

My work just got 100's of new PC's all with Intel CPU's. My desktop has Intel and my laptop both have Intel CPU's. They all work beautiful.I can play all the modern games on ultra
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Pmaldo87@reddit

CuzAmdizBetter
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brad010140@reddit

AMD making better cpus and intel having issues with 13th & 14th generations. It took years for people to believe that AMD had decent drivers. even though issues were rare when I was on a RX 580.
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Biggeordiegeek@reddit

Gen 13 & 14 had a major microcode issue that damaged some chips, it was a pretty widespread issue and despite the chips being ok once the fix was applied, people had no confidence in them Core Ultra is a totally new way of doing things for Intel, its like 1st gen Ryzen, there is promise there, but its performance isn't great Once the next generation of chips launches, it might change, but as a self-proclaimed AMD fanboy since the K5, I want Intel to be better, because when one of the duo is dominant the other doesn't price very competitively and gets stagnant
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Comrade_Chyrk@reddit

Gaming wise, there really is no reason to get an intel cpu. The x3d cpus just curb stomp anything Intel puts out.
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nofface@reddit

'cause AMD rullz
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-transcendent-@reddit

More expensive, slower in most cases, hotter, less upgradeability. Didn't use glue until it was too late. [https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/intel-says-amd-epyc-processors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck](https://www.techpowerup.com/235092/intel-says-amd-epyc-processors-glued-together-in-official-slide-deck)
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ooofest@reddit

Our AMDs have been generally faster or similar in performance for comparable classes, less expensive, cooler running, etc. No problems at all. I softly dropped Intel from my PC build considerations about three builds ago.
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TheLastGentlemen81@reddit

They are overheating like crazy and unstable
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CountBreichen@reddit

Anecdotal but my bro had a 14th gen i9 and it wasn’t nothing but problems. We’ve both switched to AMD.
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tuggnuggz@reddit

Trump administration just bought a 10bn stake in intel, so, another good reason to not support that company.
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JamesGecko@reddit

Politics aside, governments are some of the only entities around with the patience for an investment that could take twenty years to become awesome. Intel’s own board keeps sabotaging the company’s long-term manufacturing ambitions; nobody wants to play the long game. It’ll take _a lot_ to develop the expertise required to give TSMC real competition, and they’re starting on the back foot.
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vitek6@reddit

Sure, let all the semiconductors be produced by TSMC. That will surely doesn’t end bad.
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Pitiful-Assistance-1@reddit

AMD is faster and more efficient.
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Mysterious_Tart3377@reddit

Their reputation plummeted with 13th and 14th gen fiasco and their CPUs straight up suck compared to AMD now.
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Competitive_Film562@reddit

Because they put out an inferior product to AMD
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pugneus@reddit

Intel has bad business practices. AMD is a saint compared to them
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Achillies2heel@reddit

Intel got complacent, got surpassed, and struggles to create competitive products.
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Flossy001@reddit

AMD took the performance crown in gaming 3 generations in a row thanks to v-cash and the pressure even made Intel regress is the main thing. The rule of 3 for dominance now they are the king.
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Obvious-Poet-2547@reddit

There's so many issues with intel, the first one dieing the degradation issues which started on the 13th gen but then carried over to the 14th generation, the second is that intel processors pull more watts to get similar gains to AMD processors and for gaming well AMD has just completely dominated that space with X3D, then there's the issue if intel completely ignoring X3D, botching uo the 200k series with it being not very competitive to AMD counterparts and having worse performance in games and finally intel has a 2 year life cycle, whilst amd offers a 5+ year life cycle which makes amd the better choice for upgradability since it's cheaper in the long run compared to intel.
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DotJaded996@reddit

Intel after 10th gen sucks that's why lol. AMD after Zen2/3 really improved for what you get per $.
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Active-Discount3702@reddit

I switched to amd after 20 years of buying Intel because the 13xxx and 14xxx series were defective. They started microfracturing under normal use in 6-12 months. Intel's solution was to undervolt, no refunds only replacements so fuck them they lost a lifelong customer.
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TheGrimSweaper@reddit

Ever since the AmD X3d chips came out a couple of years ago, Amd has taken the lead on Intel in the gaming department, but AMDs non x3d offering have also gotten more popular, mostly for performance per dollar, I'm currently rocking a Ryzen 7 9800x3d in my rig, but I've always been a Amd fan, I've only owned 2 laptops with Intel cpus, my main desktop rigs have always had Amd cpus, starting with the ryzen 5 2600x in my first build
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Beginning-Seat5221@reddit

AMD got their transistors down to around 5nm, while intel were still making 10nm CPUs. Smaller transistors use less power and make less heat, and using less heat lets them run faster before hitting thermal limits. Intel got left behind technologically - albeit there are also design differences between them. Intel shifted to having chips made out of house by TSMC for the Core 100 and 200 series, on TSMC's smaller process node, and these chips are dominating for laptops, but in total performance they are only around the same level as the older 13/14th gen intel CPUs, so probably not designed to win the performance desktop race, where AMD has control.
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gwestr@reddit

285K is 3nm.
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Beginning-Seat5221@reddit

They are indeed. Not made by intel though.
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vitek6@reddit

So also all amd cpus are not made by amd.
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Beginning-Seat5221@reddit

Hmm this is a good point. So AMD got ahead by jumping on the TSMC bandwagon before intel did it seems?
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vitek6@reddit

Amd doesn’t own any fabs. They are outsourcing everything. Is that good? Time will tell but in my opinion it’s not good to be dependent on some Taiwan company with everything.
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Beginning-Seat5221@reddit

Well that's why things like the Chips Act exists. Obviously market competition has pretty much forced both of their hands, leading to governments getting involved for security reasons.
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NoFlex___Zone@reddit

AMD & Intel been battling for 3+ decades. This isn’t the first time AMD has been on top in the CPU game. Back in the mid 2000s the AMD Athlon/64 chips were the better gaming CPU’s. Intel had some bangers though with 2500k, 6600k and similar chips that just dunked on AMD. Well the pendulum has swung back ever since AMD went in with the x3D chips while Intel simultaneously releasing shitty buggy chips over the last half decade.
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ElGuappo_999@reddit

I’ve been an AMD fanboy since the K6 days, and always thought of Intel as ‘the evil empire’. Their actions over the past couple of years have only strengthened that belief.
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johnman300@reddit

For gaming, AMD has just been flat out better for a number of years at all price points. Most home DIY folks are just better off with a Ryzen CPU. They are faster and MUCH more efficient for the sorts of things most people do at home. There is still a place for Intel CPU on desktop for those who do certain media types of things. And Intel is still huge in laptop and in business. There is more than enough space for both to thrive, Intel has just dropped the ball on home PC. There is time for them to catch up. I've been hearing good things about Nova Lake for Intel. But they definitely have some ground to make up.
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TheSkyShip@reddit

Intel sucks now
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Sleddoggamer@reddit

AMD took superior gaming performance, while their supply uses significantly less power even when running at the absolute highest performance CPU in the highest demanding gaming scenarios, and did it on slowly changing platform that makes generational upgrades both easier and cheaper Intel only made one real effort to compete in the market instead of trying to rely on users unable to leave the brand without wasting the investment into the platform and when their CPUs started frying themselves due to a design flaw, they failed to stand behind their product and chose to try to fight the refunds. I'm not sure Intel will even sure Intel will be able to maintain its hold on the productivity field it dominated in unless it takes the hit necessary to get sale prices below its competitors, makes a clear decision to allow investments into its hardware to roll over into future upgrades so people have a reason to stay on the platform, then both prove the 13th/14th CPU deaths won't happen again, and that it will make any necessary RMAs easier than ifs competitors. Intel's next generation will also probably need to halve power consumption at a moment just so operation costs aren't so high that a higher-end AMD investment doesn't play out to be cheaper
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ParagonRenegade@reddit

People treat the X3D chips like the second coming, they’re just so absurdly good.
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KahnHatesEverything@reddit

When a company has a solid lock on a technology and a good reputation, it's hard to keep that fire to continue to innovate. Then, as your competitors start to catch up, undercut your price, run a leaner team, learn to fix mistakes after a release - because they've had to in the past, it's really really hard to switch gears. What has worked in the past doesn't work now. You can't make a move like, "hey let's just buy McAfee and integrate security into our chips" anymore. They had the resources to recover from that move at the time, but you can't make that kind of mistake in 2017, when they bought Mobileye, or spend 10 years on Larrabee for no real benefit, or not have a real plan with what to do with XE and Arc. Intel started to get a reputation that they would promise innovations and then after a fairly prolonged process, they would just cancel the whole thing. The half-truths that you tell your shareholders cannot be your actual confused business plan. When you have a revolving door of CEOs the best intended plans start to fall apart. I think that the Bryan Cantrill article really hits the major issues https://bcantrill.dtrace.org/2024/12/08/why-gelsinger-was-wrong-for-intel/ This is a trust business. It's hard to buy an Arc GPU if it's possible that this is the last discrete GPU that Intel makes for decades and firmware upgrades just stop in 2025.
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Inefficacy@reddit

Personal anecdote: my 13900k suffered from degradation and that pissed me off enough to make the switch to amd
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TheFanIsAPostman@reddit

I stuck with intel on the 12th gen, but read about the 13th gen issues. I want a trouble free pc, so I decided to switch to amd.
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Bosko47@reddit

They produced unreliable pieces of crap CPUs, that's why
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IFearSpace@reddit

IT really started with the AMD 3000 series for me. The price to performance ratio was solid with the 3600x made a lot of people consider going with AMD for the first time in a long time. Then again with the 5600x. At the same time though, the higher end models of the 5000 series were serious considerations versus Intel's higher end chips. Then the x3d came out and that's when I felt like Intel had lost control. They couldn't compete with the cheap, mid and high end offers AMD had. AMD was a better choice for basic office computers too. Which is why you see a lot of home-use computers and basic laptops with AMD chipsets. They were better than Intel for the same price. In the last year or so, it's just gotten worse for Intel. The issues with the 13th and 14th gen. Then again with the newer "ultra" lineup. It just straight up could not compete with AMD at all. Intel needs to make some big moves between now and 2030. They've admitted they could have been a big player in AI if they got in early when they could have which will hurt them in the long run. They've had several years of CPU's that just can't compete with AMD, especially for gamers. Workstations, they still compete, but that's a smaller market than the areas they're losing in.
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Comprehensive_Star72@reddit

Intel went for more cores and higher boost clocks through more power to look good on paper. AMD kept things simple and went for a big bag of cache. Intels started dying whilst AMDs got the gaming results. Oh and Apple m series are on a different level for laptops. I really liked my 10700k but once the x3d and m1 was released intel had nothing.
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AceLamina@reddit

Due to their issue with 14th CPUs blowing up most likely That, and their latest gen is slower than AMD in gaming But people still act like Intel is the worst thing ever because of that, making it seem like people who multitask or people who do productivity don't exist AMD overall has been improving but Intel is still better for general use besides gaming these days That changes if you look into laptops so I won't get into that
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261846@reddit

Intel hasn’t been competitive in years
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Theo-Wookshire@reddit

Intel is an inferior product especially for gaming. They’re probably fine for productivity tasks.
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Key-Examination-2734@reddit

Intel had a fire sale
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LustyLamprey@reddit

By missing gaming, mobile and now AI one could make the case that Intel is one of the most poorly run Fortune 500 companies in existence
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ThatOneHelldiver@reddit

Intel is like the Apple of CPU's. AMD is Android. Android is just better and for a much better price point.
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floobie@reddit

Intel’s last few generations run hot, consume more power, under-perform comparable AMD offerings on gaming performance, only really hit similar or slightly better performance for non-gaming workloads (while sucking way more power), and 13th and 14th gen had reliability issues on a fairly large scale. Throw in Intel changing its socket/chipset more frequently, often being more expensive, and not exactly responding constructively to any of its issues, and people who have a choice don’t want to deal with them as much.
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RogLatimer118@reddit

It seems that Intel's CPU architecture was just inferior so they cranked the power consumption to get enough speed to be competitive with AMD. Which then caused their high-end chips to fry themselves.
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TheDutchTexan@reddit

Because AMD has taken the gaming mantle. But don't kid yourself, Intel still has a huge market share in the corporate world. They aren't dead yet but they will need to And AMD used to be the price to beat. Now you can score a 15th gen for a very nice price while AMD processors are sold at a premium because they are in demand. People are taking massive dumps on intel processors but in reality they do just fine when you are considering an upgrade from a 10th gen system (I myself upgraded from a 4th gen, the difference is stark).
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jondread@reddit

Since the late 2009s or so on, Intel didn't really have any compression from AMD and they knew it. They sat on pretty much the same 4c/4t or "high end" 4c/8t architecture for the better part of a decade, with each new product only increasing performance by a few percentage points, then requiring a whole new platform every couple new gens even when it obviously wasn't needed. They aldo literally never allowed a sale to happen, bribed Dell with exclusivity contacts, threatened everyone else who wanted to work with AMD, and were just generally a bunch of assholes. They really, really stuck it to consumers, basically, and wouldn't fight fair with their products. The result is Intel stopped innovating until it was too late, now they are where they are and it's their own fault for being lazy and greedy.
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RandyMuscle@reddit

Because they’re better. That’s literally it.
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MuffinMaster88@reddit

Well look into intel. They have been shitting the bed for the last 5 years. Now they are also goverment owned. So maybe corruption will help them bounce back.
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Naturalhighz@reddit

because of a certain 3d cache
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Fun_Newt3841@reddit

It's a mix of reasons.  On the meta level Intel is poorly run.   There are a lot of good answer, so I'm only going to add some nuance.  Intel chips can be awesome in some situations.  They seem to have a better memory controller and are often stronger in all core performance.  This means in memory sensitive multi core intensive task, they are still top tier.  The problem is most users don't need that.  Even the ones who do have to weigh potential instability issues for the 13 and 14th gen chip and high cost to run chip on terms of electricity and cooling.  The newest gen Intel chips are weak for gaming may struggle in work loads that favor thread count over IPC.  The core ultra chips dumped hyper threading.  
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Saionji-Sekai@reddit

x3d
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Skarth@reddit

AMD put out the X3D series of CPUs that have some pretty amazing benchmarks for (certain) games, and the popular view is that whoever has the fastest top tier CPU is the best CPU marker, even if you are buying a mid range CPU instead. Intel also had that whole 13th/14th gen CPU degradation thing, which I'm sure put a pretty big dent in their prior dominance.
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bryan7474@reddit

AMD makes better overall better CPUs regarding PFP and Gaming Also now that they're selling out to Trump probably gonna be seeing even less support, f'k em
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IlTossico@reddit

They are not less common, Intel still has 75% CPU market share on the desktop environment, 80% on mobile and 60% on enterprise environment. You just don't hear a lot of people talking about them in the gaming community. Just it.
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rockyroad55@reddit

I was just listening to a podcast about this. Intel focuses on the design and manufacturing of chips so the innovation isn’t there compared to AMD.
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ACTSATGuyonReddit@reddit

Close in performance, cheaper in price. People are paying so much for GPU's that they're looking to save money on some other component.
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Skysr70@reddit

they messed up and made some bad ones
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RolandMT32@reddit

Intel just hasn't been making good CPUs in the past few years. They've also had manufacturing problems. Recently I've heard Intel may even step back from manufacturing and do more of just CPU design. Intel has also recently laid off about 20% of its workforce, from what I've heard. They aren't doing very well. I had also worked at Intel for over 8 years. It seems to me they've been a poorly-managed company.
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mdred5@reddit

High tdp for same or less performance, x3d amd cpus just dominate in gaming....using same strategy from years
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schaka@reddit

Besides a few current Gen chips for productivity, they're just not competitive. Not for gaming and not on their price bracket
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Fiendman132@reddit

Laat few generations drew too much power and burned themselves to still perform worse than AMD competitors. Current generation fixed the power draw and burning, and is rather reliable overall, albeit sometimes less performant in games than last gen. They're not e-waste like some people pretend they are, and would work just fine for most, but for me, the slower latency, lack of big 3D cache and AV-512 means they're pretty bad for my usecase. Nova Lake will fix all of these next year. Maybe then you can look into Intel again if you really want as blue CPUs will be probably competitive once again.
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Educational-Gas-4989@reddit

Amd is just has the better gaming cpus with the x3d chips and on top of the intel ruined their credibility with the 13th and 14th gen degredation issues. Although in terms of laptop/handheld they are still really good bc of lunar lake
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