Turbo Vado SL 2 5.0: Detailed Review (1.5 months, Bike Shop Employee)
Posted by JM2084@reddit | ebikes | View on Reddit | 129 comments
Hello! I’ve been riding a Specialized Turbo Vado SL 2 5.0 since July 10th. I searched around and haven’t seen many reviews on this bike, so I thought I’d share my thoughts and experiences so far.
The short version: I love it! Great for someone who wants the benefits of an e-bike but still wants it to feel 80% like an analog bike. Excellent feature set for a city commuter. High-tech, premium vibe, with some quirks in the smartphone connectivity.
The long version… I’m going to get pretty detailed and exhaustive, so continue at your own risk:
Background
I’ve been a car-free bike commuter for the past 16 years, mostly on road and gravel bikes, including a Specialized Diverge, which I still own. My daily commute has varied over the years from 2-11 miles, but currently it’s a 4-mile trip each way, with additional trips for shopping and recreation. I average about 40-50 miles per week.
I also work as a bike fitter at a bike shop that primarily sells Specialized. I’ve worked there 11 years, and am deep in Specialized lore and internal training, so I’d say I definitely have a bias versus other brands.
The Haul
Early last year I bought a Globe Haul ST, which was a hell of a lot of fun. It was a powerhouse, capable of carrying a massive load of groceries without batting an eye, and surprisingly nimble despite its utilitarian appearance. But the torque-based sensor felt more like a foot-activated throttle — it never felt like my legs were actually contributing much to the overall momentum. I was reminded of this a few times when I forgot to charge the battery and it died on me — my speed dropped from 22 mph to under 10. It didn’t feel great in my knees when that happened, as the super-wide q-factor (\~220 mm) was awkward to pedal with any efficiency. The 77-lb bike was also a beast to get up and down a flight of apartment stairs several times a week, and I was starting to develop worrisome aches in my lower back and shoulder.
I’ve test-ridden other e-bikes from Specialized and other brands, but the Haul is the only other one I’ve owned. It’ll be my main point of comparison.
Purchasing Decisions
I’ve been lusting after the Vado SL 2 ever since it launched early this year. The main features that stood out to me were the weight (44 lbs), the SL 2 motor — lighter, slimmer, quieter, and more powerful than gen 1, the large 520Wh battery, and the new Mastermind H3 display and UI. I started figuring out how to budget for it.
I did briefly consider the carbon model (6.0 EQ), but the 30% increase in price didn’t feel worth it for a 10% decrease in weight, and in my experience e-bikes don’t benefit from the ride feel of carbon fiber as much as analog bikes do.
One day I went to pick up the Haul and accidentally lifted with my back instead of the knees. My lower back ached for the next week. I decided that a bit of credit card debt was cheaper than a major back injury, so I bit the bullet and ordered the Vado SL 2. I refurbished and sold the Haul a couple weeks later to recoup half the cost.
Overall Ride Feel and Fit
It’s now been a month and a half; no regrets so far. The SL 2 is much easier to carry than the Haul at nearly half the weight, and the aches I was feeling in my back and shoulder have disappeared. Still heavy compared to my 22 lb Diverge, but not crushingly so.
Pedaling feels very natural with its 169mm q-factor, equivalent to most hybrids and mountain bikes. When I ride with my partner on her Sirrus, I turn the assist off entirely and it still feels great, just like a normal bike.
The bike is generally quite capable and comfortable on paved surfaces and light gravel. It’s funny how much smoother the 700c wheels glide over cracked asphalt vs the 20” wheels I’d gotten used to, even with the tires being half the volume. On the Haul I added a suspension seatpost to make the ride less jarring, but haven’t felt the need to do so on the SL 2. The FutureShock suspension unit is a nice feature, however, and definitely helps dampen vibration through the handlebars.
The tires themselves, the new Specialized Hemispheres, are adequate but unremarkable. I’m running them at 27 psi front, 30 rear (per Wolf Tooth’s tire pressure app). They’re stable when cornering, and grip fine on most surfaces, dry or wet. They don’t feel super responsive like high-quality road tires, but also not clunky and dead like super-thick touring tires. I haven’t had a puncture yet after 312 miles. I’m planning to switch to TPU tubes once Schwalbe releases their new Clik Aerothan tubes in the fall, to save weight and further increase flat resistance.
I changed out the main touch points on the bike after a couple rides. Ergon GS1 Evo Large grips and Look Trail Grip pedals fit my large hands and feet better. The Rivo Sport saddle with its extra cushioning is more comfortable on my sitbones in the slightly-more-upright position I have the bike adjusted for.
To dial in the fit on my size Large bike, I needed to increase the bar reach and raise them slightly. This was more complicated than it needed to be as the display and headlight are attached to the stem using proprietary mounts, and the stem only comes in two sizes: 60 x 8° and 75 x 8°. After some trial-and-error, I was able to use the 90 x 14° stem and light mount that come on the Turbo Tero X (not officially compatible, but they fit), along with the Turbo TCD handlebar mount. I would have preferred if Specialized simplified compatibility by just mounting the light to the head tube as they do with other Turbo models.
Something I didn’t anticipate is that it feels slightly difficult to swing my leg over the back of the bike. I have the same saddle height on my Diverge and don’t have a problem mounting it. I think it’s a combination of the rear basket, increased bottom bracket height, and increased chainstay length, along with the bike’s weight making it harder to lean it towards me. I do miss the step-through frame on the Haul, but I went with the standard frame on the SL 2 due to aesthetics.
Motor, Battery
The motor’s pedal assist feels eerily smooth, and is fairly quiet compared to most e-bikes. The Haul had a noticeable “kick” when the motor activated, whereas the Vado is much more subtle. Put in more torque through the pedals and the bike matches it in a very intuitive fashion. The tagline, “It’s You, Only Faster” is an apt description. It definitely feels less powerful compared to an e-bike with a more standard-sized motor, but also feels more like your legs are actually doing something. There’s a nice acceleration curve that gives a bit of a boost when starting from a stop; very handy in stop-and-go downtown traffic. When I rode the Haul I would temporarily increase the assist level at a stoplight to get the same effect, but on the SL 2 it’s built-in.
By default, there are three pedal assist modes: Eco, Sport, and Turbo. I usually keep it on Sport, averaging 17-20 mph with a heart rate around 130 bpm, cadence 80-85 rpm, rider power \~100W. If I have to get into traffic, I can turn it up to Turbo and maintain 22-27 mph easily. I don’t use Eco very often, but it puts me around 12-15 mph, about as fast as I’d be traveling on my Diverge with similar effort level.
Range seems consistent with the estimates given by Specialized. Last time I charged to full, I got about 50 miles on Sport mode, plugging it in at 10% remaining. I don’t usually charge to 100% though, as I have the 80% charge limit enabled and plug it in once or twice a week when it drops below 30%.
User Interface & App
The display is bright and easy to read, even in broad daylight. The default display page shows speed, cadence, assist mode, and battery life, which is all I usually need. I added a page to show rider power vs motor power, which is neat to see in real-time.
I’m not a fan of the joystick-like toggle that comes with Mastermind H3. It seems cool on the sales floor, modern and video-gamey, but in practice is much more finicky than the discrete +/- buttons on the older Turbo models, and the Haul. I still find myself accidentally clicking the stick in (changing the display page) when I mean to click it up or down change assist levels.
The app is fairly easy to use. It’s nice to be able to tune the assist levels, but I’m fine with the default settings. Auto-record does a good job of recording your ride as soon as the bike starts moving. It integrates with Apple Health and Fitness on the iPhone, but doesn’t output rider power, cadence, or map data. For a while I was accidentally double-recording my rides through the Specialized app and my Apple Watch. Surprisingly, the Specialized app can access heart rate data through the Apple Watch, and can be shown on the bike’s display if desired.
I also have auto-lock and unlock enabled, which locks the motor as soon as the bike is turned off, and automatically connects to the app to unlock when turned on. The built-in alarm, however, is a bit of a joke. For some reason it triggers immediately if you manually lock the bike through the app, and with auto-unlock on it also triggers during the 5-10 second window when it’s still connecting to the app. When the bike is off, the alarm only triggers if the bike starts rolling, which doesn’t help if someone is actively trying to cut your lock or remove components. I added an aftermarket motion alarm for peace of mind.
The integrated Apple Find My capability does tell me where my bike is, but doesn’t seem to update when I start riding? It often tells me I’ve left it behind when I’m five minutes into a ride.
Cargo and Other Components
The fenders are effective at keeping me from getting splashed on wet roads. I like how the rear fender and rack are integrated — it keeps the bike looking sleek while still being functional. I miss having the headtube-mounted front rack on the Haul, but I imagine it was skipped to minimize wind drag.
Carrying capability is great for light-to-medium loads. I drilled an Old Man Mountain Basket to fit a MIK adapter plate and keep it on the rear rack 95% of the time, for snacks and quick runs to the store. I also run a Specialized Coolcave on the left side of the rack about half the time, which is a nice fit for my 24L backpack, or additional groceries. I do notice the higher center of gravity when the bike is loaded, especially if I stand up to pedal out of the saddle. The smaller wheels of the Haul kept cargo weight low and stable, at the cost of road feel. I have a Burley Flatbed Cargo Trailer if I need to carry something larger, but haven’t gotten a thru-axle adapter yet.
The lights are pretty decent. The headlight puts out a wide beam that’s just bright enough for unlit roads, and drivers seem to see me approaching at cross streets. I would appreciate a high beam toggle — Specialized lists some compatibility for other front lights, so I might look into that in the future. The rear light integrated into the rack is also quite bright, and acts as a brake light. I seem to get plenty of passing distance from drivers.
I wasn’t optimistic about Shimano Cues, but so far, the 1x11 drivetrain works great! A little crunchy when shifting under load, and I wish I could downshift more than two at a time, but it still does its job admirably. The bike also feels geared appropriately as I hover towards the middle of the cassette, and the steps between gears aren’t too big. I’m looking forward to being able to change out the smallest four cogs individually instead of the whole cassette as the teeth wear down. Small annoyance: the seams along the edges of the plastic shift levers made them feel cheap, but a few strokes of an emery board took care of that.
Conclusion
I’m really enjoying the Vado SL 2 — it’s everything I want in a commuter e-bike. It feels great, looks great, and has a great feature set out of the box, with plenty of options for aftermarket customization. I do have a few criticisms, but nothing major — I’m a fairly nitpicky person in general. It’s definitely expensive compared to offerings from smaller outfits, but the support of a big brand is a selling point that shouldn’t be taken lightly. I’m looking forward to riding this bike for many years to come.
sirotan88@reddit
I know this is an old post but wondering what mirror you have and how hard was it to install? Do you like the mirror design?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Oh yeah, the Spurcycle C70. Best I’ve found.
sirotan88@reddit
Thanks, I don’t think mine has a plug. Do I need a special tool to cut a hole? Or can I just bring it to my local bike shop and ask them to install it
JM2084@reddit (OP)
If you press into the middle of the grip on the bar end and there isn’t anything hard underneath, you can gently tap around the edges of the bar to cut a perfect circle out of the grip. If there is hard plastic underneath, you can pull the grip off and see if there’s a removable plug underneath. If it’s built-in plastic plug you’ll need a reamer to cut through it. And yeah you could just bring it to a bike shop, they should be able to do it pretty easily.
FussyJason@reddit
Awesome breakdown and review!! I was looking at a Vado Turbo SL 2 4.0 and Aventon Level 4 ADV and starting to lean Specialized. Found out the Aventon currently is not throttle compatible despite the website stating it is. Have you ever had the desire for a throttle? Did your Haul have one?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Nah, I’ve been bicycle commuting since 2009. It’s my primary form of exercise, and throttle e-bikes feel too much like mopeds to me. No judgment if that’s what you’re looking for though. You might also check out the new Vado 3 Evo line-up just launched yesterday. It’s about 20 lbs heavier than the SL but has a beast of a motor.
2People1Cat@reddit
Great review, but curious if you had any experience with the SL1? I would have to order online, not at my LBS, but the 5.0 SL EQ is available online for ~$2,300 vs $3,500 on sale for the SL2, and I'm trying to decide between the 2. Thanks for any of your insight!
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Here are all the differences I can think of, in order from most to least important IMO. Most of these are in favor of the SL2, although I put an asterisk (*) by the factors in favor of the SL1:
Spindle play issues: The Vado SL gen 1 and the Creo gen 1 use the SL 1.1 motor, which has a known issue of developing side-to-side play at the cranks due to wear at the spindle interface. There is a prescribed procedure from Specialized that involves adding spacers to the spindles to reduce this play. It seems to be more common with riders that are pedaling at a slow cadence (60rpm or lower). The Vado SL 2 and Creo 2 use the newer SL 1.2 motor, which does not develop this issue from what we’ve seen. The newer motor is not compatible with the older SL e-bikes.
Torque (SL2: 50Nm; SL1: 35Nm): The SL2 has more of a “kick” that feels more powerful. It’s tuned to accelerate faster from a stop for city riding.
Peak power (SL2: 320Nm;SL1: 240Nm): On max “Turbo” assist, easier to maintain speeds over 20mph.
Battery capacity (SL2: 520Wh; SL1: 320Wh): According to the Specialized Support website, on the medium Sport assist mode, riding at 20mph, the range difference is about 3.75 hrs/56mi vs 2.75hrs/44mi. Both models can use the optional range extender ($500 w/ cables) to add about 1 hour/20 miles of range.
*Weight (SL2: 44 lbs; SL1: \~37 lbs): A 7 lb difference on the EQ models that come with a rack and fenders, mostly from the increased battery size on the SL2. It’s noticeable when carrying it up stairs, but both are considerably lighter than a full-powered e-bike.
Hub standards (SL2: 100mm front, 142mm rear; SL1: 110mm front, 148mm rear): The SL2 uses the same wheel hub standards as most thru-axle road and gravel bikes, meaning you have lots of options if you want to replace or upgrade the wheels. The SL1 uses Boost spacing, which is mostly used on mountain bikes. This means tire compatibility issues since mountain wheels usually have much wider rims. Replacement options are very limited unless you have a pair of wheels custom-built ($$).
Tire clearance (SL2: 47mm w/ fenders, 56mm/2.2” w/o; SL1: 38mm w/ fenders, 42mm w/o): Massive increase means more traction, more cushion, and more tire options.
Q-factor (SL2: 169mm; SL1: 182mm): It’s basically how wide your feet rest when on the pedals. In my experience as a bike fitter, most people are comfortable in the range of 150-170mm — most analog bikes fall in this range. If your knees tend to angle away from the bike significantly at the top of the pedal stroke, when riding a normal bike, a wider Q-factor may feel more natural. Too wide of a Q-factor usually results in knee pain over extended riding.
Display (SL2: Mastermind H3; SL2: Mastermind): The H3 is a dedicated display unit attached to the stem/handlebars, while the older Mastermind is a smaller unit that slots into the top tube. They both have color displays, but the H3 display is a little easier to read with a larger screen, can show more information at once, and can be toggled through multiple pages (customizable through the app).
AirTag (SL2: built-in; SL1: N/A): I’m not sure if it’s in the display unit or somewhere else in the electronic system. Odd quirk: it only works when the bike is off. I get a “bike left behind” notification on my iPhone within 5 minutes of starting a ride.
FutureShock (SL2: 3.1; SL1: 1.5): The newer 3.1 cartridge uses a wider piston and feels more robust. The old 1.5 cartridges were prone to losing about half of their travel over time. I haven’t seen it happen with the 3.1 yet. The newer FutureShock cartridge can be ordered from a Specialized retailer for $200 and is backwards-compatible with older FutureShock-equipped bikes.
Motor sound: The SL2 has a lower-pitched hum that is quieter to my ears, although I’ve heard a few folks on the internet actually say it’s louder.
*Controls: The SL2 uses a flat joystick that you toggle up or down to change modes, and click inward to change screens on the display. I find this more finicky than the SL1’s controller, which had discrete buttons for + and -.
I hope that helps! I think most people are going to enjoy the SL2 a lot more than the SL1, but I know plenty of local riders who are still enjoying the first-gen model with no complaints.
2People1Cat@reddit
Oh wow, thank you so much! Although you made my decision harder, I was almost 100% decided on the Gen1 lol. I knew about the torque, weight, and battery size, but the spindle and hub sizes are pretty large drawbacks.
I am slightly worried about the 7 pounds weight difference, because of how nimble the Gen1 felt a year or so ago when I tested it, but I'm definitely going to do a test ride of the SL2 based on your review.
I really appreciate sharing your knowledge and insight, and the time it took to write this response to a question on a 7 month old thread, thanks again!
UT07@reddit
An actual electric bicycle on the ebike sub, a breath of fresh air
Ok_Fig705@reddit
This bike is beyond stupid... All Chinese parts.... No suspension.... Dangerous and stupid. The frame isn't engineered for a battery and motor. ( Saved weight vs carrying about safety ) The rear forks snap like crazy just look how tiny they are
Chinese bike frame made by Maria. Chinese motor assembled in Germany. Suspension same story
This is their target market so they can continue this marketing scam.... What is white labeling for 400$? Alex
This sub cares more about LBS then safety and that's the insanity of the actual story forget about the insane price tag on cheap Chinese parts
Pro's the battery might not blow up like a Vivi Samsung Mercedes or Hyundai
CG_Ops@reddit
Just stumbled upon this post while looking at reviews for this bike for my wife and needed to say... Put the chem trail crack pipe down, bro. The whole comment is just nonsense.
I say that as someone with a high specced, full suspension $7.5k Bulls Adventure Evo AM
Jaterkin@reddit
This guy posts in r/chemtrails just in case anyone was curious.
Dokibatt@reddit
I think he might huff chemtrails.
BoringBob84@reddit
Thanks. I am not surprised. That comment has lots of hyperbole and few facts.
ooa3603@reddit
the chinese bigotry is the cherry on top of the cake
RicardoPanini@reddit
That's one of your reasons that makes a bike dangerous and stupid? You don't have any idea what you're talking about lol
Tight-Leave6165@reddit
My 10000W motocross style bike has pedals……so it’s an electric bike hater
Ollie_Needs_To_Stop@reddit
Getting downvoted on Reddit often means a funny comment
bCup83@reddit
so true.
Chance-Ad-1313@reddit
Hey there! Love this your review so much. I just bought this exact same bike and the shop provided all the reflectors separately. Did you install yours?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I did not. A lot of cities/states require front and/or rear reflectors by law, but I’ve never seen it enforced where I live. The always-on lights on this bike accomplish the same goal.
Consistent-Audience4@reddit
I just got the SL 2 6.0 carbon version and added the specialized carbon wheels and range extender. Wow! I love it.
Consistent-Audience4@reddit
I love the bike but that milk crate on the rear fender looks like your homeless
JM2084@reddit (OP)
The "milk crate" is an Old Man Mountain Basket, one of the lightest and most durable baskets you can buy. I use the hell out of it:
Consistent-Audience4@reddit
I was just bustin balls
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Santa delivery
LongApprehensive890@reddit
Kinda an old thread but can you give any info on range. I currently ride a haul St on a 40 mile round trip daily commute. I have similar complaints with the Q factor. However I currently ride about 30 of those miles at 28mph and charge at my office. The battery is just about dead when I get there.
Can the Vado do 28mph for 20miles on a single charge easily especially in cold climate?
I was kinda hoping that it could do the round trip on a single charge but I really need to be able to do 28mph basically the whole way there. 20 on the way home wouldn’t be bad but I’d prefer to be able to maintain 28.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Specialized lists estimated range at various speeds and with/without the range extender here. I'm currently getting about 45 miles on the medium Sport setting, traveling about 20 mph. That's about 15% less than Specialized lists, but there are a number of variables that differ: I'm carrying more weight (\~200 lbs rider + cargo), putting out lower wattage (\~125w), riding at colder temperatures (around 40°F), and have to stop about twice per mile on my daily commute.
Maintaining a consistent 28 mph is possible, but it's a workout even on the highest assist. For comparison, I'd say the SL 2's highest setting, Turbo, is roughly equivalent to the Haul's level 2 assist. Keep in mind the SL 2's motor is less than half as powerful as the Haul's, 320W vs 700W.
With the optional range extender, the Vado SL 2 could probably make the whole 40-mile commute on one charge, but I think it'd be cutting it close.
If I were you, I'd probably wait and see if Specialized updates the full-power Vado this year with some of the new battery/motor tech they debuted on the Levo 4 last year.
LongApprehensive890@reddit
The regular Cason has great specs but I can’t get over that stupid ass fork. I’ve also considered a tero and swapping out the tires with some schwalbe super motos or something. I think that’s make it too but it’s not as aero or ideal of a setup. I guess I’ll wait and see for now.
Southern-Mall3479@reddit
Das Fahrgefühl ist wirklich toll. Der Motor an meinem neuen Vado 2 SL ist aber schrecklich laut und schrill. Its me only louder- würde passen. Laut Händler ist das halt so. Sehr bitter und enttäuschend.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Interesting, we still have a Vado SL gen 1 on our sales floor and I think the gen 2 is way quieter. It doesn’t bother me when I’m riding it.
blissin21@reddit
I have the vado 5.0 sl eq and love it. Feels very much like a normal bike with no power so there is no range anxiety - i can pedal even if runs out. I dont have too many hills around me so that helps with the lower power and battery range
FullNeedleworker199@reddit
D'abord merci pour la qualité de ton analyse (et de ta rédaction, car ici au Québec, je vois souvent des histoires d'horreur). Perso, je possède le Turbo Creo Carbone. Je l'adore et je n'ai recours à l'assistance que dans de rares occasions (je carbure un brin à l'orgueil).
Je participe à la discussion pour partager l'expérience de ma conjointe avec sa monture identique à la tienne (Step Thru), qui roule au Nord du Québec depuis le printemps 2025. Côté mécanique, côté confort et surtout, côté maniabilité, elle adore. Rien à comparer avec son ancien E-Batch de plus de 30kg, un véritable char d'assaut. Nous sommes des cyclistes de loisir (et perso, j'aime quand ça roule à fond).
Vrai que Specialized a développé la technologie avec son nouvel affichage (qui peut même suggérer quand passer d'une vitesse à l'autre!). Mais justement, on a eu plusieurs soucis avec l'électronique: d'abord la connexion avec le iPhone s'est perdue et il a fallu l'assistance Specialized pour le reconnecter. Ensuite ce fut des problèmes avec les différents écrans de données qui ne s'affichaient plus. Je sais, il y a la possibilité de faire un "Reset" pour rétablir le tout et refaire la connexion BLE ensuite. Bizarre, mais je n'ai jamais eu à faire cette opération sur mon Creo, fidèle comme une montre de Suisse à ce chapitre.
Déposé à la boutique récemment, on nous a avoué avoir certains soucis avec la nouvelle technologie du Vado. Ce qui nous rassure c'est que la garantie est de 2 ans. Comme je suis convaincu que les problèmes de connexion ou d'affichage reviendront, on nous dit que la solution sera de remplacer l'ordinateur (qui se cache derrière le panneau d'affichage).
mastertgd1@reddit
What is the brand of the u-lock pouch?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
It’s from Dill Pickle Gear. It clunks around a bit when I hit bumps in the road, and is a little expensive for what it is, but I’ve yet to find a better solution for a rear rack.
Pitiful_Fee5220@reddit
have a vado SL 1 2023 4.0 EQ wich I´m not to happy with... had to replace right crank arm (it began to get loose) after 1000 km so are not dreaming of a SL 2 that costs double whatever the specs may be
MoltenCorgi@reddit
Wow, that’s a beautiful looking bike. Absolutely love the color. Really interesting write up since I’m thinking about a Haul ST. My partner recently got an Electra Ponto and I think I may have an e-bike in my future. I love the look of the Ponto but the seat is uncomfortable to me and it’s not really adjustable, and its cargo carrying capacity is limited. I was thinking the Haul would be a good complement that we could take to get groceries and stuff.
One question - are the internal batteries okay if you live somewhere with cold winters and summers where it might hit 100° where it’s stored? I was looking at some other options and while the ones with built-in batteries look nice and scream “e-bike” less loudly, which I imagine is good for discouraging theft, I worry about not being able to store it properly. I really don’t want to have to keep the bike in my house. My garage is detached and unheated.
Hotb1gdookie@reddit
Lovely bike and fantastic review. When I commute I have a 24 mile round trip with the return leg very much uphill. I used to be a road rider but got hit by a car and had several near misses so moved to gravel trails. My questions are, how well does the bike handle inclement weather? Does it handle even/flat trails? You mention the alterations/upgrades you have made but how did it ride out of the box?
Comfortable-Fly5797@reddit
I have the Turbo Vado 3 (not the SL) and it does really well in the rain. I haven't ridden much gravel with it but I think it would do really well (wide tires, front suspension). I ride plenty of poorly maintained roads with it. The SL looks nice but I personally wouldn't spend the extra money on it unless I needed a lighter bike for some reason.
Hotb1gdookie@reddit
Thanks for this 👍. I would definitely have to look at the full range of Turbo Vados. My commute is part road part gravel trail, quite hilly on the return leg. At the moment I think 2k - 2.5k is my budget.
Comfortable-Fly5797@reddit
My commute is 10 miles each way. 800ft gain on the was home, mostly from one hill and a few other slight hills. I'm not the fastest (that's usually a cargo bike without cargo) but not the slowest ebike up the hill.
I think it would be worth stretching your budget for the 3 if you can. Buy from a local bike shop that you like. They'll be ones to handle any warranty issues or any other help you need.
Hotb1gdookie@reddit
Just ordered a Tero 4.0 EQ. Can't wait, test rode one and was smitten.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Thank you, good questions!
I’ve ridden through moderate rain a few times, and it hasn’t been a problem. Tires grip fine, and I always take the corners more slowly. They also feel confident on light gravel and dirt roads. I ride every winter through varying levels of snow and ice, so I’ll keep you updated on that. Currently eyeing the 45NRTH Gravdal tires if we have a bad winter.
It rides great out of the box! I tend to fixate on bike fit due to my job. The changes I made were mostly because I have lower back and hamstring flexibility issues, and the bars are just a bit low for me by default. The full-power Vado sits a touch more upright and is more comfortable for me, so I was trying to match that.
boshbosh92@reddit
do you know what kind of efficiency you get? as in watt hour per mile? on my velotric discover 2, I wversge 17wh/mi, on my breeze I average 11 wh/mi. curious how a higher end ebike compares.
You can figure this out by finding the battery percent you used on a ride, finding the total watt hour consumed with that and then dividing it by the mileage.
for example, if you rode 30 miles and it took 60 percent of your battery, that's 312 wh consumed from a 520wh battery. 312 divided by 30 miles is 10.4. 10.4 eh/mi would be great efficiency.
Just curious how efficient high end mid drives are in the real world
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Hi! I rode 7.31 miles this morning and it consumed 12% of the battery. It was a pretty leisurely, sleepy ride: adjusted rider power 67 W, average speed 13.7 mph, avg heart rate 107 bpm. So 8.5 eh/mi, right? For contrast, one of my late-to-work commutes from last week looks like this: 3.87 mi, 8% battery, adjusted rider power 151 W, avg speed 16.5 mph, avg HR 145 bpm — 10.74 eh/mi.
Again, I ride about 95% of the time on the medium-assist Sport mode. I also coast very little (habit from my younger fixed-gear days).
boshbosh92@reddit
yes they sounds exactly in line with what I would expect. speeds above 15mph result in roughly a 40% increased power consumption.
on my breeze which is the 'efficient' bike, if I'm riding leisurely, I get 8-10w/h per mile. on the other hand with my discover 2 which is capable of being far more aggressive, I can consume in the low 20s.
so in comparison to mine, leisurely we get about the same. but you're more efficient when riding faster. which is likely due to the gears being used with the mid drive
boshbosh92@reddit
yes they sounds exactly in line with what I would expect. speeds above 15mph result in roughly a 40% increased power consumption.
on my breeze which is the 'efficient' bike, if I'm riding leisurely, I get 8-10w/h per mile. on the other hand with my discover 2 which is capable of being far more aggressive, I can consume in the low 20s.
so in comparison to mine, leisurely we get about the same. but you're more efficient when riding faster.
Jedski89@reddit
Hopefully the 1.2 motor is better than the original. My friends dad had the original. Motor went within the warranty period and they replaced it. Then the master control unit died outside of the warranty and specialized charged £400 to replace it. Now the second motor has died outside of warranty and he waiting to see how much they charge him for a new motor. The support from a big brand doesn't mean shit.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I’m sorry to hear that. I quizzed my head mechanic, who dealt with a handful of gen 1 motors that had developed play in the cranks. He said most of the ones with issues were heavier riders who were mainly riding on Turbo mode on the 11t cog at sub-60 rpm cadences, which put a lot of torque on the internal gears. The new motor is brushless and the gears are now metal-on-metal vs metal-on-plastic. I suspect the new Cadence Coach built-in to Mastermind H3 was also designed to prevent excessive wear.
Pitiful_Fee5220@reddit
Mine 4.0 2023 has developed that exact problem, play in the cranks after 1000km in sweden, were the limit is 25 km/h (I´m not heavy 73kg)... what do you mean metal-on-plastic?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I’ve never taken one apart, but from what I’m told they used a combination of metal and plastic gears to keep it quieter. He says there’s an approved method from Specialized support that involves adding some wavy washers to take up some of the play. Might be worth bringing it to your local dealer and seeing if they perform the procedure.
Pitiful_Fee5220@reddit
had it in to a skilled mechanic (not specialized) and he took the crank off (aluminium) the axel is steel I think, looked at it and said it looked ok but when mounting it the playing persisted. But he asked if there should be som washer or something inner of the crank, it never been apart so I said no... what plastic gears are you referring to and where do the sit (at this moment I bought a new crank and it solve the probl) thanks for your answer btw
Pitiful_Fee5220@reddit
guess I missunderstood you, probably meant gears internaly in the motor... and in that case the hole axel play... my probl is the crank in it self (I think)
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I haven’t taken one apart personally, but from what I’ve been told the first gen motor used a combination of plastic and metal gears to reduce noise.
parisidiot@reddit
yeah, back when VM was crumbling I was looking into alternatives and there were some Turbo Vados that seemed as unreliable as the vanmoofs, at least if you go by frequency of posts in the specialized ebike facebook group. turned me off of it so I just want cheapest good bike I could find (tenways 600)
adrienpardigon@reddit
Could I take a city bike and put on it my own conversation kit to get a similar bike?
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
No.
kcattattam@reddit
Conversation kit, no. BBSHD, yes. Compared to this bike, one has to give up torque sensing, but that's not necessary for commuting. I'd rather have the more powerful motor, shiny polished parts like Honjo fenders, and the extra $1500 in my pocket
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
In no sense would it be similar, though.
kcattattam@reddit
You know, you're right. A well-build BBSHD bike would have similar geometry, but would have a superior frame material (chromoly steel) without the ugly oversized down tube, a cleaner cockpit because shifting is not necessary with that much torque, a higher top speed, no proprietary parts, and easier maintenance
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Unlicensed street-illegal vehicles like these (that masquerade as e-bikes because they have pedals) are the cause of politicians calling for crackdowns on legit e-bikes in big cities. 👎
kcattattam@reddit
Unless by gravity, my BBSHD build doesn't move unless I turn the pedals. The only thing it's causing is one less car on the roads. I forgot to mention the battery capacity is greater (I chose 840Wh compared to the Specialized at 520Wh, but there are non-proprietary batteries with even more capacity that would still fit inside and be concealed by the well-designed full frame bag).
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
No, no, no and no. Thank you for playing.
Deansies@reddit
Great review. Is the battery in the Vado SL 2 not removable?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
It is not meant to be user-removable, as the cranks and motor need to be removed to access it. There is an optional range extender available that adds up to 40 miles.
TwoHeelDrive@reddit
Very nice review! I've had this same bike since early May and my experience matches yours. I've been a bike commuter for 15 years and for the previous 4 years had a Specialized Turbo Vado 5.0 that has also been great. But I missed having something that rode more like a regular bike and was also lighter for carrying up the stairs. The Vado SL2 is exactly what I'd been looking for. Plenty of power for even the steep hills in Seattle and very fun to ride.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Awesome, glad you're enjoying it too!
bloodycpownsuit@reddit
I have the same single Coolcave hard pannier in the same configuration on my Vado 4.0 and can’t say enough good things about it. It’s fantastically handy to be able to dump extras into (lock, extra clothes for work, etc). I also got the Fjallraven cover for it which keeps everything dry on my foul-weather commutes.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I bought the blue Coolcave years ago when they were doing the Fjallraven collab, and it just happens to match my new bike! And yeah, can't beat the versatility of a big bucket. I want to stick the rubber plug in the bottom and fill it up with ice and beverages for a picnic or party!
JeremyFromKenosha@reddit
Awesome review. Good grammar & spelling too.
A couple points:
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Thank you! It took a while to organize all my thoughts into a coherent review.
Great point on the Eco mode, I might play around with the settings to make it more useful to me.
Agree on the fenders, they do a great job of keeping my shoes and back dry. Only caveat is I have to be careful riding off curbs too slowly, as it'll hit the rubber flap on the front fender and fold it under.
Also agree on the phone app. I need to file the issues I've found with Specialized and hope they update it at some point. The motor lock does have a pin-based code that can be input using the controller, as a backup in case your phone is dead.
I've seen a number of Priority bikes come in to our shop over the years, for fit/service, and they seem really well-equipped for the price! I'd definitely be considering them if I didn't work at a Specialized shop.
geisterscheinwerfer@reddit
I have vado sl 5 first gen. and so happy woth it. I was excited when hearing the new motor 1.2 with more power and torque, etc, until I read the spec … it’s 4kg heavier and less distance per charge.
I’m happier with my sl 1.1
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Definitely heavier due to the larger battery and increased motor power, but the range tables (SL 1vs SL 2) are almost the same.
Swobu@reddit
What did you pay when you purchased the SL 2? Were you able to find a sale?
I’m eyeing this exact bike for myself and wondering if I can catch a sale from specialized on a Vado 2 SL 5.0 in April 2026.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I do get a discount due to working at a Specialized dealer but am not allowed to say more than that 😬
Adler221@reddit
I had a Specialized Como 3.0 IGH, and LOVED it. It felt like a bike with a little of bit of assistance while still doing the work. Unfortunately, it had a squeak, and even after replacing the motor, it still had the squeak. Specialized were amazing and refunded the bike and I ultimately went with the Specialized Como 5.0 IGH..
That thing is a beast. I can fly up hills without breaking a sweat. Yes, it has a much bigger difference in torque, but I needed that because my genetic condition is progressing. The automatic shifting was weird at first but now, I can feel the slight adjustment over the smallest little dip. It very much is the get on and go bike.
Thanks for the review!
May I ask what basket that is on the back? The basket from specialized digs into my backside, but this looks much better. I have the coolcaves too and love them (let me tell ya how easy it is to clean after a bottle of bubble solution leaked).
lillian_e1985@reddit
I have the Como 3.0 with the manual Enviolo hub. Did changing gears feel like it’s going nothing a lot of the times? If I stop, changing gears works most of the time. But while biking, twisting the shifter feels like it’s just spinning and not moving anything.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
The manual Enviolo hubs have always felt undergeared to me. However, it is possible one or two of the gear shifting cables connected to the hub is loose and needs to be tightened via the barrel adjusters.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
The Vado 5.0 IGH was a contender for me a few years ago, and still would be if I didn't have to deal with stairs daily. The automatic shifting is such a cool feature.
The basket is an Old Man Mountain Basket. We had an extra one that was misordered lying around the shop, and it looked good on the bike, so I went for it! I had to drill two holes in it to fit the MIK Adapter. It's a bit expensive but is the lightest basket I've ever held by far. It does have a bit of flex towards the rear where it's unsupported.
Adler221@reddit
That’s cool! I have a Moustache basket on mine now that has been working well. Specialized solidified my loyalty because they refunded a bike that was out of warranty because it had problems since point of sale.
This is my baby.
JeremyFromKenosha@reddit
Belt drive + Enviolo CVT for the win!
bCup83@reddit
that speaks very highly of Specialized.
Adler221@reddit
Yes! I had a RadRunner before my Como 3.0 and I gave it to a friend, and I always took excellent care of it, and still the battery caused a bad house fire, like they are practically getting a new house.
Before e-bikes, I had a Liv Flourish from Giant and kept breaking spokes, it was three days after warranty and the bike shop tightened one spoke and another for pop. It was too bad so sad from Giant, and I had to eat the cost of buying a new rim.
Now that I have upgraded to the 5.0, it has a UL certified battery, which seals all the deals for me. There are not regulations on batteries yet in my province, but I can see them coming.
I still advocate to buy from your local bike shop because you are not just buying the bike, you get the warranty, the quality of components and the service.
That being said, I can’t see much service needed for the 5.0 besides the yearly tune up! That belt drive is 😍
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Lovely bike! You might also look at the Basil Cento line of baskets, they sit back further than most and are sloped at the front to reduce rider/saddle interference.
Adler221@reddit
I’ve got one of them too!
Vx0w@reddit
I'm guessing the battery is not removable?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
It is not meant to be user-removable, as the cranks and motor need to be removed to access it. There is an optional range extender available that adds up to 40 miles.
Vx0w@reddit
I see. Thanks
syntaktik@reddit
Where did you get that u-lock bag?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
https://www.dillpicklegear.com/picklejar/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=463
It’s not perfect; I wish it secured more tightly at the bottom because it rattles a bit. I’ve yet to find a better solution though.
Comfortable-Fly5797@reddit
Not related to your review but I saw you are a bike fitter at a shop that sells specialized so maybe you've run into this before...
I have a 2024 turbo Vado 3 (which I love) with the 60mm "flow" stem. I need a shorter stem but they don't sell a shorter flow stem. The spacers and bottom piece (headset cover) are proprietary with a little bump that locks them in place. Is my only option really to buy a new headset cover and spacers so I can change the stem?
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Unfortunately yeah, as far as I know this is the only way to run an aftermarket stem. I keep a couple of these in stock for this exact reason:
Comfortable-Fly5797@reddit
Thanks for confirming that for me. Not a fan of companies using proprietary parts, especially if they aren't going to offer a wide range of sizes to replace it with.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
I am not a fan either, as it sometimes stops my fits dead in their tracks. Unfortunately every brand seems to be doing it these days.
m0_n0n_0n0_0m@reddit
Innrhe section about the Haul, you mention that it has torque sensing that felt like a pedal powered switch. Did you mean it was cadence sensing? That's my experience with cadence sensing, whereas torque sensing feels "like you, but better."
JM2084@reddit (OP)
No, the Haul does have a torque sensor, it just feels more on/off than the SL, and has a slight perceptible delay. This is typical of rear hub motors because the power isn’t being delivered through the drivetrain. I will say the Haul does it way better than most hub-based motors.
m0_n0n_0n0_0m@reddit
Ah the rear hub is probably the difference. I've only ridden and built mid-drive.
grinchman042@reddit
Awesome review. I got the Vado SL EQ 5.0 last April for a steal in a clearance sale at my NBS ($1600 brand new) and it’s been fantastic as my everyday commuter and occasional joy rider. Glad to hear they’ve made some improvements!
agentdurden@reddit
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bCup83@reddit
What width of tires does it have that you're running 27/30?
It looks like a standard stem. You can change it to whatever size you like.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
47mm on the tires. The problem with the stem is that it has slots built in for the display and headlight mounts. You can run a regular stem but have to source aftermarket handlebar mounts for the display and light.
gladfelter@reddit
Do you know where to get loose CUES cogs? I haven't found them online except at outrageous prices.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
YORF98020 is the correct part number for the LG700 11 & 13t cogs (sold as a pair). They retail for $29. I don’t know why no one is selling them online, but your local bike shop should be able to order them straight from Shimano. The 15t (YORF9803T) and 17t (YORF9804T) are also available to order for $13 each.
golfingmadman@reddit
I have a Vado SL 1.0 from 2020. It was a great purchase. I just wish it actually got to 28 mph like the marketing claimed. The new motor is intriguing, but not enough to impress my wife! Though I think I should have ended up with a medium, not a small.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
The new motor definitely gets up to 28 mph on Turbo mode, but still takes a fair bit of effort on my part.
H20Buffalo@reddit
Ditto on my 2022 Como 5. I easily cruise at 20-23mph but I have to pedal hard to get to 28.
OR_Miata@reddit
I think that’s how socialized designs their bikes generally. On my haul you can easily cruise at 20-23, but you have to pedal really fast to get to 25 and exert yourself to get to 28.
OR_Miata@reddit
I got a really good deal on the Vado SL1 5.0 last Black Friday. They were doing 50% off large frame sizes. While I do wish I got the features of the new one I am very happy with the old one considering the deal I got. The overall experience is pretty similar.
Like you I came from a Haul ST. When I bought the Haul I had a different perspective. I wanted power and to be able to carry everything (almost like an SUV driver but for bikes). I really looked down on bikes like the Vado SL, because at the time I thought “who would want such a slow underpowered bike?” Until one day I saw one in the wild and it kept pace with me very easily. Since then my perspective changed and lighter, mid-drive bikes are absolutely everything. I still love the Haul, but it’s not as nice to ride as the Vado SL. The Vado SL just feels so much smoother and nicer and it fits what i use it for (commuting, not hauling stuff) way better.
AccessToTools@reddit
Great review. This was what I was looking for when I was looking at purchasing the Turbo Vado SL! I ended up with one and have been loving it so far but still, good to hear about your experience with it.
highlander666666@reddit
Were is battery?
ip2k@reddit
Inside that big fat downtube.
highlander666666@reddit
Sounds good I have cheap act best bike.battety comes out easy.i use a fireproof bag when Charging.can charge in bike to.. battery says it s UL certified. I love riding it.one day I may buy better one
Mcuatmel@reddit
Now this is a proper ebike. Well done
Agitated-Country-969@reddit
Thank you for the review!
I have a Vado SL 4.0 and I was wondering how well much the new SL 1.2 motor differs vs the SL 1.1 motor mine has. From what I read on Endless Sphere and other forums, it can peak higher but ultimately it's limited by the battery's output.
studioandolina@reddit
I have had mine now for about 5 years, it is everything I need in an everyday ride. I live own Seattle and we have MANY steep hills, this is why I bought this killer bike. I have a Burley trailer and use it for grocery shopping and delivering packages to the mail station. Love my Vado SL!!!!
GlitteringResort9111@reddit
Nice, yes detailed, review. I’m week and a half into a Velotric Breeze. Always with a road bike, but over years, I’m almost 68, I’ve fattened tires for comfort. Road bike is a Trek CrossRip 2. Pulled ISM PR3.0 off it as wasn’t loving Breeze stock seat. Likely overkill, added clips cause I really like clipping in. In all, the E is just fine to ride.
tr00th@reddit
Thank you for posting this review!
I’m in the market for an electric bicycle and Specialized has been on my radar for a while now. Definitely going to be doing more homework about this model and maybe checking it out in person.
habdragon08@reddit
I've had one for like 5 years its great. Literally the only downside is cost, but you get what you pay for.
I have gone probably 8000 miles on mine and its still in great shape.
Melodic-Matter4685@reddit
I don’t see a project 529 registration sticker. Or a local licesnse. Granted, they ugly
VoltasPigPile@reddit
My Trek has that same rear rack, it's worked fine for me so far, but I still really don't like the idea of it not having any horizontal bracing, the only thing preventing if from tipping is the connection just above the axle. The fender is not structural at all. I haven't had any problem with the rack, it seems sturdy enough, but I wonder how I'll feel in a few years of hauling heavy bags.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
This one feels solid, but I'll keep an eye on it. This fender does have two mounting points, at the seatstay bridge and the dropped chainstay bridge.
jnorris610@reddit
I’ve had a Turbo Vado SL 2 4.0 for a couple of months and can also highly recommend it (i use it for my 11km commute). Coming from an older Vado 5.0, this feels like riding a bike, still nimble to get around, but just enough support to take the edge off (much more support than the original Vado SL). I feel like I’m actually biking and getting a bit of workout, not just commuting and letting the motor do everything.
SoupyGoopy@reddit
Nice to see a Vado review! I bought one (Turbo 5.0 not SL) back in July too and it's been great so I've been surprised that I haven't seen them talked about. You're definitely paying more than a typical e-bike, but the lighter weight and speed is great for my 17 mile reverse commute (34 mile round trip) where I carry the bike up and down two flights of narrow stairs each time I ride it. It replaced over half of my driving (first e-bike for me) within a couple of weeks and it's a blast to ride.
PlanetExpressWeirdo@reddit
Looks like a great bike. Electric for a 4 mile commute is a bit overkill though. I would just get a regular bike and save a lot of money.
JM2084@reddit (OP)
Fair, I do have a regular bike as well, a Specialized Diverge. After 16 years of bike commuting, it’s nice getting to my destination a little quicker and less sweaty.
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
Especially if it's flat.
diskatron@reddit
Great review. I’ve owned a Vado 3.0 for the last four years - I’ve always seen the SL as a potential successor for it in the future if the trade in power for the lightness of the SL works for me.
stonktraders@reddit
I heard Cues groupset is designed to be durable without much maintenance, so it’s heavier and less buttery smooth than 105 or SLX