Wild new Volkswagen Golf R to use Audi five-cylinder engine [Autocar]

If the RS3 was offered as a hatch instead of a sedan I think it would be a massive hit. At this wheelbase size, I just don’t see how a compact sedan is supposed to be a worthwhile/practical choice for $65k

We could functionally get that with this Golf R and it would be awesome. That being said I fully intend on upgrading from my GTI to a regular Golf R when the time comes

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SEND_ME_FAKE_NEWS@reddit

Considering I paid 77k MSRP for my TTRS, I'd love to pay 65k for a daza golf.

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StrangeSmellz@reddit

So they made a rs3

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NotFastEnoughYet@reddit

As someone who is/was very close to pulling the trigger on an RS3, this is a VERY intriguing proposition. I would absolutely put this above the RS3 right now if it was available here, assuming it was at least somewhat meaningfully cheaper (at least like 3-5K?), or otherwise faster. The interior will probably be worse, but being a hatch makes up for it.

With questions about availability and pricing still TBD, though, it's a tough sell to wait on buying an RS3 today... Especially if we could be waiting, what, 1.5 years?

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csullivan78@reddit

This exactly. I love my MK7, and I was in the same boat when I bought it trying to wait out the RS3. At the time I ended up deciding the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze, but put the 5 pot in the hatch? I’m in, and I’m willing to stick with the status quo this time long enough to find out at the very least. I was looking hard at a MK8 until this news dropped.

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TGUKF@reddit

For markets that already get the RS3 hatchback, it's either going to be a somewhat less expensive alternative, or I could see those markets just not even getting this version of the R.

For markets like North America, it's likely the closest we'll get to a RS3 hatchback.

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DerBootsMann@reddit

For markets that already get the RS3 hatchback, it's either going to be a somewhat less expensive alternative

golf gti -> golf r -> rs3

is it how you see it for vag ? if yes , where do you stick s3 then ?

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Skodakenner@reddit

In theory its Octavia vRS - Golf gti - Cupra leon - Golf R - Audi S3 - RS3 in this order

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kljaja998@reddit

Octavia RS, the v only exists in UK branding

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polaris6933@reddit

That’s not true. I own one and I’m not in the UK.

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kljaja998@reddit

You own an Octavia RS, the thing at the front isn't the letter v, it's just Part of the logo. The reason it's the vrs in the UK is some trademark dispute with IIRC Ford

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dadbyheart@reddit

Wrong. It absolutely is vRS. Stands for victory rally sport. Literally one lookup on any countrys skoda site will tell you that. While the Ford threat pushing them to this acronym is correct, it doesnt mean vrs only exist in the UK. Many parts of the world got the vrs. Some parts of germany, Balkan, slavic countries, list goes on.

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kljaja998@reddit

UK vRS: https://www.skoda.co.uk/new-cars/octavia/hatch-vrs

Rest RS:

CZ: https://www.skoda-auto.cz/modely/octavia-facelift/octavia-rs
Germany: https://www.skoda-auto.de/modelle/octavia/octavia-rs
Serbia: https://www.skoda-auto.rs/models/new-octavia/new-octavia - find it under the engine options, they don't have a link to it directly
Croatia: https://www.skoda.hr/octavia/octavia-rs
Greece: https://www.skoda.gr/models/octavia/octavia/new-octavia-engines
Romania: https://www.skoda.ro/octavia/octavia
Lithuania: https://www.skoda.lt/models/naujoji_octavia/atnaujinta_octavia_rs
Estonia: https://www.skoda.ee/autod/octavia/uus-octavia
Latvia: https://www.skoda.lv/modeli/jauna-octavia/octavia

Find me ONE singular counterexample of the vRS name being used by an OFFICIAL Škoda dealer anywhere outside of the UK

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JohnyTwoSheds@reddit

Letter V is used also in Czech Republic.

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kljaja998@reddit

https://www.skoda-auto.cz/modely/octavia-facelift/octavia

no it's not

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JohnyTwoSheds@reddit

You're right mate.

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dadbyheart@reddit

You tried to sneak that seat above a gti, nice try. Its skoda>seat>vw

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mhodd8@reddit

Forgetting the polo gti first

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Merzum@reddit

The Polo is in a different segment though. I'd guess...

Polo GTI -> Polo R WRC -> Audi S1

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DerBootsMann@reddit

you made me google octavia and cupra , but yes .. totally makes sense !

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GaRGa77@reddit

First gen S3 had a Cupra R clone

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Skodakenner@reddit

Yeah the US doesnt get them but they are great cars. I own the Octavia and its the same car just a bit cheaper

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Clip_Clippington@reddit

We ended up with the Jetta GLI which fills that niche, but I suspect the Octavia might be the better version...

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Skodakenner@reddit

There is an estate version of it as well wich you dont get on the jetta as well.

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QTom01@reddit

I have an older Leon Cupra, when I bought it they were around £5k less than an equivalent GTI while having 300hp instead of ~240, and I liked the looks at least as much.

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Skodakenner@reddit

Mine was also way cheaper than the GTI but only had the 245 hp engine since skoda doesnt get the bigger engine

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Capri280@reddit

And more spacious ... and better looking (okay this one is subjective

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detentiondnb@reddit

Octavia vRS over GTI all day.

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Skodakenner@reddit

Id pick so too but the official order is more like that as skoda is officially a lower tear of the VW group than VW themselves

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epihocic@reddit

What about the formentor vz and vz5? I'd throw them in there too.

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Skodakenner@reddit

They are SUVs though and not really a hot hatch

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epihocic@reddit

Same platform though and Formentor is only 50mm taller. It’s closer to a hot hatch in driving dynamics too.

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-hh@reddit

... only 50mm taller ...

That might not seem like a lot on a big SUV, but if one were to ask a small car / hot hatch enthusiast if they'd like a ~2" drop in height, they would be like "...do you really think you need to ask?"

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Skodakenner@reddit

But still opticswise its more an suv. Cupra themselves dont claim its a hot hatch so i wouldnt count them here. Otherwise we would have to count the T Roc R and the others as well

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epihocic@reddit

I would argue that should be included as well 😂

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Skodakenner@reddit

Nah where to stop then? Would have to include the Superb Sportline with the 265hp engine and the Kodiaq rs as well since they all are the same car

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epihocic@reddit

Superb is not a special sport model e.g. R, RS, GTI, etc. I think the Kodiaq is clearly an SUV. It's 200mm taller than a Golf R

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Skodakenner@reddit

I wouldnt include the others as well though they are advertised as SUVs so they arent real hot hatches

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epihocic@reddit

Fair enough.

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sirrobbiebobson@reddit

Between the Audi’s is the Cupra Formentor VZ5

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Skodakenner@reddit

Not a hot hatch though

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

GTI -> 2024 S3 -> 2024 Golf R -> 2025 S3 -> Rs3

Not sure where this 5 cylinder golf R will fit

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BTTWchungus@reddit

Golf R with the 5-cylinder goes between S3 and RS3

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

Yeah that’s a great spot for it

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

I mean, alongside the R? VAG already sells several cars that compete directly with each other, like my Octavia RS245 that is 100% a Mk7.5 Golf GTi PP but a wagon.

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DerBootsMann@reddit

i apologize , i should made myself clear , usdm of course .. eudm clearly got broader choice

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Right. I'm saying VAG is clearly happy with selling cars that compete with each other. The fact that my Octavia isn't sold there doesn't change that.

Besides you literally commented 'for markets that get the RS3 hatchback' which is explicitly not the US lmao.

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-hh@reddit

Sure, they technically compete, but where VAG chooses to set the prices is what caters to different market segments.

Plus there will always be some customers who will buy Audi, but won't touch VW (& vice versa).

My wife's just such an example, which I can trace back to an unfriendly VW salesman who was unwilling to get her the Jetta specced out the way that she wanted it ... it was literally "buy off the lot, or get lost". She got lost - and has been an Audi customer ever since with a really good salesman.

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DerBootsMann@reddit

i hope to see rs3 around lol

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dreadnought_81@reddit

At least the Octy is differentiated by form factor. In that sense I'd view them as siblings but not direct rivals. If you want a sporty wagon then a hatchback Golf probably isn't going to be in the running.

Anyway, we've seen a super-powered Golf in prototype guise numerous times, so I won't hold my breath for this thing actually entering production. We had the mk3 A59, mk5 W12-650 (though that was just a hot rod build for Worthersee), that turbo VR6 mk6 they revealed for the 50 Years of Golf celebrations, and the mk7 R 400 concept. The precedent doesn't look great.

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epsiblivion@reddit

S3 and golf r have the same engine.

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TGUKF@reddit

One big differentiator in USDM is body style, as we don't get the S3 or RS3 as a hatchback, only sedan/saloon. Also GTI/R were available in a manual, which wasn't the case for S3/RS3. They're all the same platforum but slightly different products.

Also generally speaking in NA, our base level Audi/Mercedes/BMW would be at least a mid level trim equivalent in Germany, so it's also just a more premium product than what VW has to offer, obviously at a higher price.

It's realistically GTI --> Golf R/S3 --> RS3.

I wouldn't say Golf R and S3 are equivalent but roughly in a similar tier, as the underlying platform is similar. One is more intended to be sporty, while the other is primarily supposed to be a more luxury product.

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turb0_encapsulator@reddit

bold of you to assume "North America" is still one market and that the US will continue to get the Golf R.

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TGUKF@reddit

Well, we usually get lumped into the US' market as their buying power far outstrips ours as Canadians. However, I've noticed that we often do get slightly better equipped vehicles.

For example, apparently in some of the higher trim Civics/Integras, heated rear seats isn't available at all in the US, but it's part of an available options package in Canada.

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elmastrbatr@reddit

Gotta stay warm in this frozen wasteland

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DomS596@reddit

Id prefer the RS3 in a Golf R body tbh.

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ConfessToMeDaddy@reddit

Pretty much trying to put vw up there

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Supersize_You@reddit

I mean… A3 is basically an AWD GTI sedan so…

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HotLikeSauce420@reddit

But then you have a sedan

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GoldAside7064@reddit

ur the reason why we don’t get cool shit.

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StrangeSmellz@reddit

I bought the mk8.5 R

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RedShiftedTime@reddit

PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKES PLEASE IN THE USA PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE VW/AUDI PLEASE IN THE USA PLEASE RELEASE IT IN THE USA PLEASE I WILL BUY ON RELEASE PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Droopy1592@reddit

I’d buy one in a heartbeat

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cerealkiller-12@reddit

You’re definitely the one releasing here

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Jaboogada@reddit

I nEeeEeeEd iiiiiiiTTT violent groaning

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Certain-Lie-8428@reddit

对外消售吗

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GoldenState15@reddit

There are rumors of this every few years but nothing happens. Hopefully this time it'll actually happen

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SteadyHyper@reddit

Will the golf r 5cylinders be in north america ???

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Few-Movie-1829@reddit

Not happening

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Auto_guy223@reddit

I have a 17 gti and I would literally lose it if I can’t upgrade to a golf r with the daza. I’m so tired of this rumor it was around for the 20th anniversary and I had my money ready and my ignorant self will hope and wish they release it on Sunday at the loe show (where they released the golf r 20th anniversary in America which happens to be my home town) but I’m going to lose all faith if they don’t bring it to the USA. Might join the dark side and get an American car. I’d love to continue being the only friend in my group with a vw and keep the trend going but vw doesn’t like young enthusiasts and they don’t make things we want to spend our money on. Mk8 gti and golf r is cool but it’s not really different from mk7.5 (some vw nerd is gonna disagree but to most consumers it’s the same but more money) I’d love for something new that makes it more desirable. I’d happily spend 70k on it. But vw doesn’t care so I guess I’ll be going to the dark side.

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clingbat@reddit

If this is actually true, then it looks like I'm selling my MK8 R sooner than I thought...

I will 100% buy this car if it comes to the US, may even buy it brand new if they can keep it at or under $65k, otherwise a low mileage CPO car a bit later.

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Gonnaragretthis@reddit

Unless they backpedal the new one won’t have a 6MT tho. I know it’s dumb, but it’s gonna be damn hard for me to give up my ‘24 Golf R for that reason.

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clingbat@reddit

Meh I've been bitching for an RS3 hatchback in the US for years. If they actually basically deliver it, it's time lol.

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hutacars@reddit

It's not like the Golf R 6MT is special at all, it's easy to drive but quite mediocre feel wise.

But that’s not the point! The worst manual is still going to be more engaging than the best auto.

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4r4r4real@reddit

It's a truly bad manual.

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clingbat@reddit

Eh the DQ-381 DSG with the updated factory TCU tuning in the MK8 R is pretty freaking fantastic. Holds gears, near PDK speed shifts, very responsive. It's far better than the ZF8 I had in my S5 Sportback, even when the ZF8 was TCU tuned.

I previously owned a MK7.5 DSG R, my brother owns an MK8 6MT R (that I've driven a good bit) and I now own a MK8 DSG R so I'm extremely familiar with the different flavors. Personally I'd rank them as the following in terms of overall fun.

MK8 DSG > MK7.5 DSG w/ TCU tune > MK7.5/8 6MT > MK7.5 DSG stock

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hutacars@reddit

I don’t argue that the DSG isn’t technically good, just that it isn’t engaging.

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clingbat@reddit

What if I told you that some of us don't find mediocre 6MT gearboxes particularly engaging at all?

Rowing gears just for the sake of rowing gears is a preference that plenty don't share. Now give me the 6MT from the Type R or M2 with SSK + CDV delete, I certainly have enjoyed both of those.

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simeddit@reddit

I’m not sure what point I’m making with this, I just recognized your name and—correct me if I’m wrong—recalled you being extremely anti-MK8 when it first came out. Like, commenting on nearly every MK8 post that your MK7.5 with a tune was just a better car in every sense.

Funny to see things come around. How do you feel about the 8 in the midst of ownership?

I’ve lurked on the model for years now. On the fence about an 8.5 R. Have doubts about how I’ll cope with the day to day of the UX and all of the glossy black plastic. Any of that ring true for you or would you recommend it?

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Fox2_Fox2@reddit

Is this 5 cyl R just a one year production run? If it is, I imagine it will be $$$$ including ADM.

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memymomeddit@reddit

Which means you should just go ahead and buy an RS3 if you want that drivetrain instead of hoping for a chance at a $80k Golf.

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clingbat@reddit

Small, stumpy sedans just don't do it for me at all.

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satellite779@reddit

RS3 is available as a hatchback in most markets. Not everyone is from the US here.

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memymomeddit@reddit

I agree with you 100%, but this Golf ain't happening.

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clingbat@reddit

And even if it does, they'll probably make 500 of them and not ship any to the US anyway lol...

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clingbat@reddit

No one knows yet, but there are always a handful of dealers who stick to MSRP if you can get a slot and are willing to travel / arrange delivery.

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Citizen_Snip@reddit

I agree. I’m looking at RS3s but the fact that they lack basic amenities like ventilated seats and remote start for a 70k car is a little inexcusable. They put this motor in a Golf and it buying it.

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AlrightAlbatross@reddit

Car rags have been talking about a 5cyl Golf R for like 10 years. Will believe it when VWAG actually announces something.

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EmergencyRace7158@reddit

Would be even more special with a manual. Would differentiate it from the RS5 and really do a lot to win back the enthusiast crowd.

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bassinyofacelikedamn@reddit

Just bring the hatch rs3 to the us

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whitevwjetta@reddit

it really… won’t. there is like zero evidence to back this up. idk why it’s getting reposted so much

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augustusgrizzly@reddit

not complaining, its gonna sound great

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Alert_Height679@reddit

Smh I just bought a 2025 like 3 weeks ago :( my luck lol. Still love my car tho.

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Funky_Biped@reddit

Why do people think this is actually true? Unless there is something I’m missing, VW has said nothing, and all articles I have seen on it reference this Autocar article. And I don’t see them stating their sources in the article. The 5 cyl golf has been teased for years and as much as I would love this, I don’t think it’s actually happening.

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StatusCount7032@reddit

Humblemechanic did it a year ago.

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FTFOatl@reddit

VW/Audi really needs to use that 5 cylinder in more drivers cars. They're really losing the enthusiast fan base.

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burtmacklin15@reddit

For real. I don't know why they didn't replace the 3.0T (supercharged) in the S4/S5 with this, instead of the soulless turbo 3.0 we ended up getting.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Length. Audi uses a longitudinal FWD platform, one where the engine is entirely in front of the transaxle. If you make the engine any longer it moves the weight even further over the front axle and makes the Audi understeer even worse.

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slowerbrownfox@reddit

NOT TRUTH. B4 (predecessor of all a4s) had a version with a longitudinal mounted 5cyl :)

yes, that one.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

The B4 was an Audi 90 not an A4.

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aprtur@reddit

In modern Audis they haven't used it, but they've proven in the past that they're more than capable of putting a 5 cylinder in a longitudinal FWD layout. Most recent example I can think of was the Audi 80/90 that ran until 1995. They'd have to mess with the packaging a bit on the new cars, since they didn't engineer them for that engine, but it's not like they can't package it in a FWD layout.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Sure but that’s only half the problem, you still have to deal with the understeer it will create.

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aprtur@reddit

Depends - Audi hung it far out front, but Honda was able to put their I-5 pretty much dead center between the strut towers on the Legend/Vigor. If it's mounted right, you negate the understeer issue.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Honda used a transmission that sent power forward to a seperate diff, Audi uses a transaxle the combines the diff.

You’d need to reengineer the platform to support pushing the engine backwards relative to the axle because Audi has pushed the cabin forward to maximise interior space, which is a fancy way of saying if you pushed the engine that far back it would be inside the dash.

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aprtur@reddit

Yeah, reworking the packaging, like I had mentioned. Modern Audis all have a pretty significant rain tray they could cut down to do that - currently it is basically blocked off from the strut tower rearward, to house the battery, washer tank, and other items that could be put elsewhere. I don't think it's a problem of if they could do it, but do they want to do it, or find any merit in doing a different layout that what the DAZA is right now when they have the corpo V6 in those cars instead of the I-5.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

Yeah and underneath the rain tray is the firewall which handles the powertain and crash forces that get passed to the body shell from the front frame rails, not at all an easy or cheap thing to do.

The entire premise of the VAG’s transverse MQB platform is to standardise the area between the front axle and pedal box because it is the single most expensive part of a car, to put things in perspective.

You’d also more than likely need to design a new subframe and will definitely need an all new transaxle, all for what amounts to a low volume performance variant of what isn’t a particularly high volume car to begin with.

You know at that point, especially given how ubiquitous Quattro Ultra is becoming, it would probably be easier and cheaper to just move the A4 from the MLB to MQB platform and make it transverse to get the i5 in.

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aprtur@reddit

not at all an easy or cheap thing to do.

I never said it would be inexpensive, simply that they have the option to re-engineer for a longitudinal 5 cylinder again if they choose, and that they have room in the chassis to modify it to work, without a substantial cabin redesign - although a longer hood Audi design again would look pretty cool with their recent design language, IMO.

The entire premise of the VAG’s transverse MQB platform

Yes, but we're not talking about transverse MQB, we're talking about longitudinal MLB/MLB-Evo that the A4 is on. This isn't the cheaper platform, it's the luxury platform, where there's more cash investment - and making a more unique Audi product that harks back to their past could be a good thing when they've had a bit of an identity crisis in recent years for their mainline cars that aren't RS.

You’d also more than likely need to design a new subframe and will definitely need an all new transaxle, all for what amounts to a low volume performance variant of what isn’t a particularly high volume car to begin with.

I never specified a performance variant, just mentioned the DAZA because it's the only I-5 they have right now, and they're all transverse mounted. If they were to move the A4 sedan platform back to longitudinal, I'd expect it to be a full model line akin to the 80/90 to spread cost, and then bleeding down into some VW product, just like they did in the past with the Gol/Fox. That would include a more mundane spec 5 cylinder (heavily detuned DAZA or similar, I guess), just like the old VW/Audi I-5 lineup did before. I agree that they wouldn't make all that investment for one low volume car.

You know at that point, especially given how ubiquitous Quattro Ultra is becoming, it would probably be easier and cheaper to just move the A4 from the MLB to MQB platform and make it transverse to get the i5 in.

From a cost perspective, sure, but then you're devaluing the Audi brand to an extent. I don't think that's a good thing...the longitudinal layout is part of what sets them apart, even if it's flawed. I've always viewed them like Subaru in that regard, and respect them for continuing to keep Audi unique from VW in that way.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

I think you’re getting confused. The entire thread is about putting the 5 cylinder in instead of the V6 on the RS4, nobody here said they couldn’t build a new A4 with it.

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aprtur@reddit

I'm not confused - we diverted our conversation, but my point the whole time is that Audi could put a variant of either the O7K or DAZA in the current car if they wanted to modify the engine bay for it. There's even a V10 swapped B8 out there, so it's not like it's impossible for it to fit length wise.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

but my point the whole time is that Audi could put a variant of either the O7K or DAZA in the current car if they wanted to modify the engine bay for it.

Yeah mate. That’s what I’ve been saying. You could lengthen the nose and get globs of understeer and a worse driving car, or you could spend a shitload of money redesigning the everything forward of the A pillar to move the engine back.

And the only thing this would accomplish is getting an engine with ‘more character’ in a low volume sport version of an already not particularly high volume car.

There's even a V10 swapped B8 out there, so it's not like it's impossible for it to fit length wise.

Again, like I said in my very first comment, it could fit but not have the clearances required for the various impact requirements.

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aprtur@reddit

The swapped B8 with the V10 has a stock engine bay with some very minor trimming. Seeing as that's a much larger nightmare to fit than an inline engine, I'm going to call BS on it dramatically impacting handling due to the engine position. Weight, maybe, but not position - and even then, EA888 vs DAZA is a roughly 60lb service weight variance. You're over exaggerating here.

As for crash requirements, that's just grasping at straws. We don't know what would or wouldn't past crash testing for a car that doesn't exist.

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Captain_Alaska@reddit

The swapped B8 with the V10 has a stock engine bay with some very minor trimming. Seeing as that's a much larger nightmare to fit than an inline engine

It's a 90 degree V engine in an engine bay designed to fit a 90 degree V engine...

Weight, maybe, but not position - and even then, EA888 vs DAZA is a roughly 60lb service weight variance.

Right. The engine weighs more and it's heavier. Assuming the engine is exactly 25% longer that means the motor's CoG is now 25% further forward and it's heavier.

And the engine we're comparing it to is a V6 since the S4 was the car of the discussion, which is only 3 cylinders long, so we're actually moving the engine's CoG 66% further forward.

I don't need to point out the engine is a fairly big part of the car's overall CoG.

As for crash requirements, that's just grasping at straws. We don't know what would or wouldn't past crash testing for a car that doesn't exist.

This isn't a hypothetical car, I'm talking about the V10 swapped car you're bringing up. There are many requirements for crash safety that require space. For example in the EU you need a minimum distance of 20mm of height from the tallest hardpoint in the engine bay to the lowest point of the hood.

You could put an engine in that physically fits but doesn't meet this requirement, which would require an OEM like Audi to redesign all of the front panels to bring the hoodline up and whatever knock on effects that has to the rest of the styling if they were to do the same thing but make it a production car.

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aprtur@reddit

Right. The engine weighs more and it's heavier. Assuming the engine is exactly 25% longer that means the motor's CoG is now 25% further forward and it's heavier. And the engine we're comparing it to is a V6 since the S4 was the car of the discussion, which is only 3 cylinders long, so we're actually moving the engine's CoG 66% further forward.

You're assuming the engine isn't moving backwards at all, and pushing any difference forwards - it has to move backwards to clear the core support, as nearly every Audi engine I can think of is sandwiched against the core support. The EA888 is a valid comparison here, as well, since it's also available in the same chassis, and debatably handles better than the V6 cars. The V6 is also heavier than the DAZA by about another 65lb (~125lb more than the EA888), which makes it the worst handling of the bunch if you're talking about weight alone.

This isn't a hypothetical car, I'm talking about the V10 swapped car you're bringing up.

The V10 car is a reference point for saying a 5 cylinder long engine will fit without drastic chassis modifications, that's it. The hypothetical 5 cylinder A4 has been our discussion point. In terms of crash testing, it is irrelevant because there are too many factors that can be adjusted to meet those requirements. If I were to take what you fixated on here with hood/bonnet clearance, Audi could cant the engine at an angle like they've done with past I-5s, just as an example. This is stupid to discuss, though, as I mentioned that there are a million ways you could engineer around this and I could debate you for far too long on it.

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hutacars@reddit

They can’t fit it in an A4, but they can fit it in a Golf R?

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mastawyrm@reddit

_4 and up has the engine positioned longways, the rs3 fits it because the engine is sideways and a golf is the same as the _3

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t001_t1m3@reddit

I’ve heard enough. Radial 7-cylinder straight out of a WWI fighter.

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burtmacklin15@reddit

That's a really great point that I wasn't thinking about. I was only considering weight/specific power, not the longitudinal packaging constraints. Thanks.

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moonRekt@reddit

BMW biased but always been by thought, Audi just loses in the 6 cylinder department to BMW, but their 5 cylinders are undisputed

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themisfit610@reddit

But both companies make excellent 6 cylinder motors by any definition.

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xamdou@reddit

Given the same chassis, I'd take an Audi 5 cylinder over a BMW 6 cylinder any day of the week.

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moonRekt@reddit

Definitely, was just watching a M240 vs TTRS drag race and it’s crazy to beat DAZA on top end. Unfortunately if you live in USA the only car you can get currently with DAZA is a RS3 which is a tiny sedan, you can get a B58 in all sorts of chassis and even 6MT on the right year and chassis

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xamdou@reddit

I'm not even concerned about the power. I just like the sound haha

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Ghost1k25@reddit

Yes, Audi’s 5 cylinders are much better than BMW’s 5 cylinders. Not even a competition.

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F1_Geek@reddit

As an aside, you have an incredibly sick lineup. Both are such amazing cars.

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Ghost1k25@reddit

Thank you! :)

Not a single gas station is safe.

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Ftpini@reddit

They need to squeeze it into a beetle. That thing would be a riot!

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InfinitePossibility8@reddit

Well good news. The older NA 2.5 was in the Beetle.

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Weary-Courage1704@reddit

I swear, the perfect Audi would be a 2 seat coupe the size of an s5 but with a mid engine 5cyl and dct or 6spd

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PM_ME_HOUSE_MUSIC_@reddit

Seriously, it’s proven to be extremely reliable, sounds fantastic, and makes great power

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WigginIII@reddit

Yup. Detune it a bit so it’s smoother and more compliant and put it in the A4/equivalent 3series competitor. The a3 is just too small for 4 passenger practicality.

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Simon676@reddit

The average person is likely to prefer the better fuel economy of the 4-cylinder over the 5-cylinder for the regular A4.

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PM_ME_HOUSE_MUSIC_@reddit

I got 25mpgs average in my RS3 before I tuned it on E85

On road trips I would average low 30s. Not sure what the fuel economy is of the 2.0T, but it can’t be that difficult

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dimebag2011@reddit

Basically the same, had a Scirocco with the 2.0T and the 6MT, around 33 mpg US on the highway. Once tuned, it remained the same (tuned for pump, no ethanol)

I guess city could be higher for the 5cyl

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slowerbrownfox@reddit

yeah, i got similar numbers with my '25 RS3 when i don't push too hard. i was genuinely surprised coming from a Mk7 R

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WigginIII@reddit

My a4 has pretty dog shit mpg. 21 city driving but I can get maybe 32 on the highway. 24 city if I absolutely baby it.

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8P69SYKUAGeGjgq@reddit

My GTI averages like 25mpg but I also drive like a hooligan, so 30 from an engine with 2x the hp is wild.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

5 cylinder all the things!

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sobansio@reddit

They have, the RSQ3 exists.

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Avocadosoup@reddit

the US never got those either

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Jose_Gonzales_2003@reddit

I personally think the S5 would be much better with that 5 cylinder (even if detuned a bit) over the V6. Comparing the 3.0 V6 Audi uses to the B58, the Audi motor loses every time.

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SophistXIII@reddit

I think the 3.0 V6 is perfectly suited for the S5 and disagree that the 5cyl would be a better choice.

The I5 is unquestionably a more exciting motor and I totally agree with the description of the 3.0 V6 as "soulless" - at least in the context of the I5 and the B58 - the latter, I agree, is better than the Audi 3.0 in pretty much all respects.

That said, the S5 as a whole skews more luxury/commuter than sporty - that's not just the motor, but the chassis, the steering, the transmission tuning and the suspension tuning - and the 3.0 is perfectly suited to that mission. It's very smooth and very nice to drive everyday.

The I5 is great in the RS3 but I'm truly not sure whereas it would really fit in Audi's line up other than another TTRS. I think it makes sense in a (super) Golf R and I'm a bit surprised Porsche hasn't dropped it in some hot version of the Macan. If Porsche ever made a A5 sized mini Panamera (and they should) that's where the I5 should go.

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BTTWchungus@reddit

Forget the Macan, I want a 5-banger Cayman

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NetworkStatic@reddit

Right. I dont think I have the engineering chops to do it but I have been pondering on a 997.1 with the inline5.

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potatohead_v2@reddit

In the 80s-90s before switching to V8s, Audi used to put its turbo I5s in everything: Audi 100/A6 (C3 and C4), Audi 80/A4 (B3 and B4), Ur-Quattro. It was their flagship engine.

Nowadays that 5 cylinder engine would really throw off the car's balance, weight distribution, packaging, safety, etc if it was mounted longitudinally in front of the front axles. Since the B5 A4 generation in the late 90s they've been strictly using a maximum of 4 cylinders in a row on their smaller B platform (on the larger cars, the A6 and A8 used V10s briefly), and even then the cars were still always said to be nose heavy and less dynamically capable compared to their rivals. Nevertheless, I would still love to see a longitudinal 5 cylinder RS4/RS5 to show that Audi still has a sense of humour, but I feel like they haven't had that in them since the 00's.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

Seriously. My buddy had a Golf with the 2.5 and it was glorious. Not fast, but holy crap it sounded amazing with a proper exhaust. There are way too many boring turbo 4s out there. We need more interesting engines like the 2.5. If VW had released this 2 years ago with a manual I'd have snagged this over my GR Corolla.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

It could be best if the V10 also can return.

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Disastrous_Cable9055@reddit

They just need to up their game imo for performance 'RS' stuff. BMW is taking the cake recently.

The 5 cylinder is definitely something unique and special that needs to be brought out more.

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Muttonboat@reddit

Neat send off, but I've heard VW claim they're going electric several times and they've doubled back each time.

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TunerJoe@reddit

They don't make the VR6 anymore

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Muttonboat@reddit

Which is a tragedy

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

Why? It wasn’t that powerful, was heavy, and guzzled gas. They’re also not that reliable.

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Equal-Ad6396@reddit

Had one. Drove great, but power was definitely lacking and harder to tune than the 1.8L T introduced the following year. Great car nonetheless.

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penis-tango-man@reddit

But it sounds fantastic

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DaggumTarHeels@reddit

That's true, but so does the I5 IMO.

VW had some interesting motors. We had a VR5 Passat.

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70stang@reddit

I've got an R32, and when they announced the first Golf R, I was pretty disappointed. The R32 took a more expensive Audi with a better engine and slapped the Golf body on it, so lining up the R and the RS3 engines is actually perfectly in tune with what they should have been doing this entire time. The man who works on my car has had 9 Rs across Mk4 to now, and he agrees, to the point that he's actively swapping a 5 cyl into a Mk7 Golf R for himself right now.

You know why the GTI is dead in the US? Because nobody wants a worse version of the same thing. Imagine Ford announcing that the new Mustang GT is going to have the same V6 the mid range model has had for years, but with a slight power bump.

They should have given the Mk6 R a beefy version of the 3.6 VR6 that the R36 got, and swapped to the Audi 5 cylinder for either the Mk7 or as late of a generation as they could get away with.

They ended up making a more expensive GTI, not something truly unique.

The R32s were never race cars concerned with ultimate speed, they were GT cars wrapped in a practical package. For the same money as a stock R32, you could easily make a brand new GTI go faster around a track. It was lighter, simpler, and more tuneable. The entire point of the R32 was the character of the engine, the standard leather/sunroof, etc. It was never a raw drivers car.

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RFK_Cum_Regimen@reddit

The R32's have way more character and are more fun to drive than these modern slop-fest Golf R's.

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70stang@reddit

Preaching to the choir friend, I'm still dailying the one i've had since 2013. Put over 100k miles on it myself.

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RFK_Cum_Regimen@reddit

You're doing God's work. What color?

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70stang@reddit

Deep Blue Pearl, with a black front grill because I always thought the silver one made them look like a Passat coming at you.

I bought it with 45k miles in 2013, and I have been daily driving it since then.

To be quite clear, I have been beating the hell out of it and wringing it out every day; it's almost entirely stock, I cut the resonator muffler out and replaced it with a straight pipe (it still has the main, original muffler) and blocked the vacuum line to the butterfly valve in the exhaust so that it's always open.

Tiny car that makes 6 figure car noises when you put your foot down.

I will literally never sell it, even with a gun to my head.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Because the RS3 has the 5 cylinder engine and mechanically speaking it’s the identical platform

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epihocic@reddit

Well except for the entire drive train, suspension and steering components, and brakes.

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PurchaseStreet9991@reddit

The only really noteworthy difference between an RS3 and a Golf R is the powertrain.

Everything else you mentioned are basically only slightly altered parts made in the same factory.

Given that I think a 5 cylinder Golf R would sell great. Biggest issue with the RS3 is that it’s this tiny little sedan with little practicality and massively overpriced compared to a Golf. And it loses the fanfare by not being a hatchback, which is always going to be cooler than a compact sedan

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epihocic@reddit

They’re actually not. Brakes on the RS3 are from the RS5 and suspension is bespoke. Front track is widened and geometry is changed.

Subtle but meaningful differences.

It’s like saying an M340i is basically the same as an M3/4.

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PurchaseStreet9991@reddit

They’re actually not. Brakes on the RS3 are from the RS5 and suspension is bespoke. Front track is widened and geometry is changed.

Which are all things the article calls out as things that would accompany the engine upgrade in the R

It’s like saying an M340i is basically the same as an M3/4.

Nobody really does say that because of how massive of a performance difference there is between those two vehicles.

The Golf R to the RS3 doesn’t really have that jump. On flip side the RS3 is considered by many to be a bit worse as it loses the practicality of the hatch, costs more, most people consider it a lot uglier inside/outside, and it’s got worse options than the base model Golf R. I mean hell the RS3 doesn’t even come with ventilated seats lol

Now obviously if someone is in a country with the RS3 hatch available then yeah if they have more than a brain cell they’d opt for that over the sedan. But honestly I’d be more inclined to get a Golf R with a mild tune and it looks less like a clapped out A3 with that grotesque leather stitching on the seats

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

What do the steering/brakes/suspension have to do with whether or not the engine is an easy logistical choice? VAG owns all the components
It’s literally on the identical MQB Evo compact platform.

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epihocic@reddit

I guess I misunderstood what you meant when you said mechanically identical.

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mynotell@reddit

why a 5-cyl? because they already have one in their audis, so no development-cost

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oidoglr@reddit

There’s also a 2.5T VR6 in production.

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cpxchewy@reddit

That production ended because they can't make it emissions compliant. The DAZA is going to be Euro 7 compliant and can last a few more years afterwards.

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oidoglr@reddit

Can’t make it compliant or the cost justification never presented itself?

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cpxchewy@reddit

cost justification of course. They can probably make anything compliant with enough resources but it seems like the DAZA is cheap to make compliant. That plus the engine being used in RS Q3, RS3, and a few others mean that they can amortize the cost even more.

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burtmacklin15@reddit

In what vehicle?

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Muttonboat@reddit

It was in the atlas for the Chinese market, but production ended last year

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oidoglr@reddit

HPA imported a bunch of those engines brand new in the crate and offers them as a drop in upgrade alternative to the DAZA for VR6 enthusiasts

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epihocic@reddit

Man.. that's a tough one. Daza or new VR6. I think VR6 has a bit more power potential, and as good as the I5 sounds, it might even sound better

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70stang@reddit

The hidden secret of the VR6 is that they are fucking BEEFY on the bottom end as a result of their design. They take to boost like the JZ engines did. The blocks are able to take a ton of boost with basically just a head spacer.

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chronos_7734@reddit

There was a teat mule of Mk7 with 5cyl called R420 testing at the Ring before Dieselgate happened. Likely they shellved the project after the Dieselgate.

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McChillbone@reddit

R32 was goated.

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campbellsimpson@reddit

A VR6 model would be more in line

Not in-line, 15 degrees split

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McPikie@reddit

I see what you did there

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nova46@reddit

I believe VW has killed off six cylinders (in America at least). Also once the Golf R went 4 cylinder turbo, they were never going back to NA. You get more power, better fuel economy, better packaging, more tuneability, etc. As cool as that engine sounded, that's about all it would have going for it at this point. The turbo 5 is a monster especially in the aftermarket, and it sounds like a baby Lambo.

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SirLoremIpsum@reddit

Also why a 5 cylinder in a model that never had one in its run. A VR6 model would be more in line with the Golf R platform heritage

That's trivial to answer.

Because the 5 cylinder exists and a modern VR6 does not.

Are you genuinely surprised / confused why VW wouldn't develop an entirely new VR6 motor for this send off model??!?

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Muttonboat@reddit

No not at all

But it seems odd to toss a 5 cylinder in the golf r as a final send off edition, but get why.

For what's it's worth the VR6 was still in production til 2024, so it's not outlandish

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s629c@reddit

Golf community hasn’t been hoping to see the 5 cylinder in the R for awhile. There’s even been swaps done. It makes sense since the RS3/TTRS sit on the same platform as the golf so it’s a guaranteed fit plus the 5 cylinder sounds like a baby v10

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HP_594@reddit

The Golf did have a naturally aspirated fiver, albeit for the Mk4 and Mk5 only.

As for the VR6, I think the Atlas was the last VW to have it. And now that migrated to a turbo four instead.

I really wish VW added the turbo five from the Mk6 R onwards, by detuning it to keep it from competing with the RS3 and TTRS.

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thisisjustascreename@reddit

That was basically just a VR6 with one cylinder missing, and was exactly as awful as that sounds.

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HP_594@reddit

There was the 2.3 VR5 and the 2.5 inline 5

The VR5 was used in the Mk4 Golf and the inline 5 for the Mk5 Golf

The one you mentioned was the VR5

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Intrepid_Elk_4351@reddit

I've seen a VR5 Golf in the Middle East

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coffeeshopslut@reddit

That Inline 5 is a monster. Tuned TTRS and RS3s are stupid fast

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MaybeNext-Monday@reddit

Because inline 5s fucking rule

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Imtherealwaffle@reddit

because its all plug and play with the current rs3 that shares a platform with the golf. They dont have to do much else than drop the drivetrain from the rs3 into it.

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Hard_Corsair@reddit

The Golf R never had one, but the Golf/Jetta Mk5 had a 5-cylinder in the US, and for a commuter car it was marvelous when paired with the 5-speed manual.

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LetgomyEkko@reddit

This might be enough to get me back into a Golf. I miss my GTI. Didn’t wanna pay the current golf r msrp. Buuuuut for the EA555 I would be willing to make an exception

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Didn’t wanna pay the current golf r msrp.

Tbf I wouldn’t buy any German car new given their depreciation. A 2-3 year old Golf R costs less than a new GTI

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Oskarikali@reddit

Must be a U.S market phenomenon, they hold their value in Canada, but their MSRP is also significantly lower in Canada. U.S golf R price is crazy.

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bakedvoltage@reddit

the R holds value very well in America too. not sure what the other guy is getting at.

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Hypsar@reddit

Fair, but it is nice to have a warranty.

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1dayHappy_1daySad@reddit

If it wasn't modified by the previous owner, and you don't modify it either, they are quite reliable

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StoneOfTriumph@reddit

That's a big if at least where I'm at. They're like Subaru WRX and STIs. Good luck finding a stock one.

I had trouble finding an unmolested accident free mk7.5 Golf R manual in the used, so I went with a new mk8 GTI

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N0M0REG00DNAMES@reddit

Bought a “stock” mk6 from a distinguished researcher at Google in college, was in fact lied to heavily

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1dayHappy_1daySad@reddit

And going by your flair you continued the tradition :D

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StoneOfTriumph@reddit

Lol I kept mods to a minimum, but yeah pretty much 😂

What I try to do is keep every single receipt and bill of service and parts (and I keep original parts) to give confidence to future buyers.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

I got mine CPO and it came with an additional 2 years of warranty tacked onto the remaining factory warranty

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Citizen_Snip@reddit

I agree, except for the RS3. There’s usually a waiting period for a new one, and when you look at 3-4 year old RS3s, they are still pretty damn close to MSRP.

If they put the 5 cylinder into a Golf, I’d buy that over the RS3 because atleast the Golf has fucking ventilated seats.

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gropingpriest@reddit

A 2-3 year old Golf R costs less than a new GTI

maybe at MSRP but at least when I have shopped new GTIs in the past, it's laughably easy to get huge discounts on them. especially the upper trims

I also don't think you can get a used mk8 Golf R for less than like $38k either.

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TheReaperSovereign@reddit

There's a 22 for sale near me for 31k but it has 85k miles on it lol.

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DetroitLionsEh@reddit

Yeah, I was planning to go Japanese after my current vehicle.

Now I might me sticking with German 🤷‍♂️

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TFiPW@reddit

As a Volvo enthusiast, please for the love of god bring it here.

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FreshSetOfBatteries@reddit

If this comes to the US it will be very very hard for me not to buy one.

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SnikySquirrel@reddit

Unpopular opinion but I never really got all the hype around the 5 cylinder. People say it sounds like a V10 which I kinda get but I don’t really think so. That’s like saying an inline 4 sounds like a flat plane crank V8.

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Sprayy@reddit

They sound incredible and they tune like a video game motor. I briefly had an RS3 and it was an absolute riot. I wish they put that motor in a higher end car.

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Ceramica8@reddit

Agreed they sound exotic because it's very rare to hear an i5 out in the wild so they do draw attention for that reason. But objectively they don't sound as good as people make them out to be.

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glich610@reddit

I have a 2021 GTI and this might just want me to upgrade

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Enpallos@reddit

From a NYer sign me the fuck uppp

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brokenodo@reddit

This is such a fun engine. Sixt gave me a Cupra Formenter VZ5 for some reason in Copenhagen last month. I had no idea what it was but holy shit did I find out and make great use of it.

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Robert_VG@reddit

Evo saying the opposite

https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-r/208105/hotter-volkswagen-golf-r-testing-at-the-nurburgring-more-power-and-focus

“We can say with relative confidence this Golf won’t be getting one of the final flavours of five-cylinder from Audi either but it’ll surely pack bigger numbers than the standard Golf R’s 328bhp and 295lb ft.”

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costafilh0@reddit

/doubt

If true, this is going to be very cool!

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Mission_Process_7055@reddit

In wagon form please, and with buttons.

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grumpypantaloon@reddit

Can't wait for the 70k price tag on it, considering they currently ask 56k EUR in my country (41 for GTI, 46 for Clubsport), while the S3 with the same engine starts at 46, even if you match all the equipment the Audi is cheaper.

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imped4now@reddit

I hate to say this...

But VW, if you give the US a Golf R with the 5 cylinder and a 6 speed manual, God help me. I will buy it. Name your price, you bastards.

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zalcecan@reddit

Ok now if this comes stateside that would be super interesting. Probably will cost an arm and leg tho.

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epsiblivion@reddit

Msrp it has to be cheaper than an rs3 but dealers will markup

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Ecsta@reddit

Depends on if VW is restricting volume. The new R's were not really marked up where I am (Ontario).

I think demand will be low (R's are already not volume sellers), not that many people willing to pony up the cash for a more expensive R in NA.

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epsiblivion@reddit

canada got great discounts compared to the US for the mk 8 golf r and gti pricing. it's so absurd it's hilarious

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Ecsta@reddit

Even more crazy good when you compare to pricing in Germany/rest of world.

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zalcecan@reddit

Of course they will, the issue is it'll be mid to upper 50s which is way too much

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Swamp_21@reddit

It’ll more likely be in the 60’s since a base R with delivery is in the low to mid 50’s

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swampfox94@reddit

Which honestly isn’t even that bad considering rs3/m2 are mid 70s once optioned

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ygguana@reddit

I was recently amazed to learn that the Golf R is now 50K. I haven't been paying attention to prices since I am perfectly happy with my RS. I was a bit shocked as a result. I had 10 year old prices in mind, thinking 40K or under.

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divensi@reddit

hell yeah.

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magshell-alpha@reddit

Sounds awesome!!! Can't wait

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slowerbrownfox@reddit

VWoA if you are reading this, bring it to the US, i don't care how much it costs. i am willing to pay as much as an RS3 -- 2016 R --> 2025 RS3 owner

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UniqueThanks@reddit

If this comes to the US, this will become my DD. Need the five cylinder

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caschta@reddit

They already put it in the Cupra Formentor VZ5. So sure that Golf feels left out!

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chronos_7734@reddit

That was limited run of only 7000 cars. There are some rumors that they didn't managed the sell all of them.

There is also a video of facelift Formentor with 5cyl testing on the Ring. It had ISF-style exhaust like pre-facelift VZ5 and you could hear 5cyl.

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Swamp_21@reddit

I can’t wait for another sick VW Golf variant to not come to the US :(

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Mastermind521@reddit

can we have it with a Manual Transmission?

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Smartest_Dignity@reddit

VW should bring back the VR6, with no turbos of course

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SnikySquirrel@reddit

I wish, but there’s a snowball’s chance in hell of that happening

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die-microcrap-die@reddit

My precious!

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cavaleur@reddit

If the Golf R goes to 5 cylinders then the RS3 should go to an I6 to compensate!

In which case the RS5 would have to go V8. Which also means the RS6/7 would need to go back to V10. As not to be upstaged, the Temerario would need to be at least ‘back’ to being a V10, but a V12 would be more prudent a choice. To maintain its prestige, the Revuelto must move up to a V16. Of course, if Bugatti wants to keep any relevance they would have to up the cylinders as well. 18 and 20 present balancing issues, so the next flagship Bugatti would have to be a V24.

All exciting stuff. I doubt the Golf R would really get the 5 cylinder though, and until then, the rest remains unlikely.

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BCASL@reddit

Where can I source some of what you're smoking?

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gdnws@reddit

I should like to know as well so that it can be forwarded to the VW executives; they could use some of the old engine madness they used to do.

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boomerbill69@reddit

Piech would've read that guy's post and nodded his head in approval.

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gdnws@reddit

And then he would say but the v24 should be a w24 with 3 banks of 8 cylinders. Or if he was going on a real bender, 2 banks of 8 1 of 5 and 1 of 3.

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flapsmcgee@reddit

The original Bugatti Veyron concept used a W18. It was basically three inline 6s sharing a single crankshaft. Perfectly balanced.

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NastyNate88@reddit

What are the chances this comes to the US? I'm in the market for an RS3 but don't want to give up the functionality of a hatch.

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TheAppropriateBoop@reddit

gonna be a beast

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Ghost1k25@reddit

Put it in a Macan, you cowards

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gluten_heimer@reddit

I would buy this if they bring it to the states (and I can afford it). Absolutely perfect all-rounder.

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puddud4@reddit

The Golf R better get the respect it deserves after this. I don't want to hear the words Type R or GR Corolla ever again. Mk8 Golf R has been the best hot hatch on the market since its introduction but people blew it off because of the infotainment (which really isn't that bad)

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Ecsta@reddit

They need to change the tablet to a normal big curved screen (ie dash and infotainment combined). I think it looks fantastic in the new BMW X1's type of thing.

The tablet is functionally fine just looks very out of place.

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bikedork5000@reddit

Barf. Those threaded giant curved screens are awful

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Fox2_Fox2@reddit

I would be happy if this 5 cyl R has the same infotainment as the current rs3

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doggy-dad@reddit

if this comes to the US, this will end up on my shopping list.

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nerdpox@reddit

I’d buy this brand new

Please bring it to the US!!

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goaelephant@reddit

I wish they did this with the New Beetle prior to its send off. 2.5T, 4Motion, 6speed with RSi-esque styling.

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moonRekt@reddit

Really happy to see so many people echoing the same thing that BMW>Audi in 6 cylinders but the 5 cylinder would be great for enthusiast cars. People love front wheel drive in econo cars so it’s not like the buyers of an A4 would care about understeer on a detuned DAZA, but really opens up the enthusiast market.

5 cylinder is crazy, I’ve seen a guy running a stripped out Plaid I think he was 3.6 second 60-130 but a guy running a TTRS here is getting a flat 3 second 60-130 here at 7500’ DA

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stupidber@reddit

Whoa

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smokeey@reddit

Don't believe that for a second. They can barely move Golf R off dealer lots as is.

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AndreLeGeant88@reddit

This would get me to pull the trigger on the Golf R

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Quatro_Leches@reddit

yeah for 70k probably

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

With the 5 cylinder it will be mechanically identical to the RS3 but obviously a lower trim/brand. So the RS3 pricing is basically the upper limit

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Ecsta@reddit

Plus the Golf is typically all inclusive of options, whereas the Audi everything is an extra charge lol.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Yes that’s a very good point. An Autobahn trim Golf has all the stuff you’d want in a car meanwhile in an A3 that’s part of several additional packages

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CQQKI3Z@reddit

I guess 80-85. The r333 already was 70k € in Germany

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inbokz@reddit

If its available in the US, I can't see it being cheaper than the RS3, especially as a limited vehicle. 70K seems reasonable.

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bombastica@reddit

If they fix the capacitive buttons they kept on the R but moved away from on the GTI - I’m in.

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Ecsta@reddit

I doubt this comes to North America (if it even releases), but one can dream.

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hvmbone@reddit

I imagine this is going to create a massive price hike, no? A VW hot hatch getting more power than the current S3, S4, and S5 doesn’t quite make sense.

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Successful_Ad_9707@reddit

I would have picked this over my GRC had they had the balls to make this 2 years ago with a stick. Sigh...

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NissanskylineN1@reddit

Says who? They have no source in the article - just BS reporting

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GRAltima@reddit

But will it have a manual?

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SaveTheSticks@reddit

Dang I just sold my 6MT '24 R. RS3 has always been on my want to own list but this just might top it.

Trying to take the high strung 5 cylinder to a VW dealership sounds like a nightmare though lol

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Ill-Train6478@reddit

Will 5 with 6 speed MT ever happen? Most likely not but I would get one even at the price of rs3.

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k0fi96@reddit

If they actually do this I might need to call my dealer

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Conscious_Shower_790@reddit

Would be well stoked if they made a Golf Variant R with the 5 banger

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Upper_Produce881@reddit

$70k golf

Im good

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Harryhodl@reddit

What’s up with those ugly black pieces on each side of hood?

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happy_glimmer@reddit

this car looks amazing

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Vhozite@reddit

I hate hatches (especially the Golf) but this is cool as hell. Hope it comes stateside.

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JALbert@reddit

I would have bought a RS3 hatch, but this will do too. Now hopefully the ECU is tunable.....

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exdigguser147@reddit

It will be, but not until 3+ years after launch

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jamesgilboy@reddit

Now that is the spice VW needs to reestablish itself as a performance brand. Doesn't matter if it's a reskinned RS3, the RS3 whips ass.

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Ririsforehead@reddit

Makes no sense Cupra got the 5 cylinder but not Volskwagen.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

Isn’t Cupra one a crossover model ?

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Race2TheGrave@reddit

Do it you fools. That is a fantastic engine.

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Famous_Horse3022@reddit

I wanted an RS3 hatchback so badly (American) so this is awesome

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benzguy95@reddit

PLEASE let this come to the U.S.

For years I’ve wanted the Golf R to have something besides the 2.0, and the 5 cylinder would be the perfect candidate since the VR6 is no longer available

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simeddit@reddit

I will legitimately order one of these if they don’t shut the bed regarding pricing.

Figure it’s safe to assume this should come in power than an RS3… but, by how much…

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CQQKI3Z@reddit

It would be interesting were that rumors come from, the Article doesnt Statement any Sourcecode, as far as I know the photo mule used in the articale has 4 cylinder Sound according to Nürburgringspy photographers.... but ihave hope to get a golf with a five cylinder finally. Maybe I'd sell my clubsport for this if its good

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londongastronaut@reddit

Very cool but without a manual option I'd just rather have a used RS3

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coffeeshopslut@reddit

Inline 5 in a hatch tho

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

So, a RS3.

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ggtsu_00@reddit

Yes, but instead of a boring plain jane sedan, its a hot hatch.

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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

So, a RS3 (but only in Europe, neener neener).

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chandy_dandy@reddit

interior somewhat fixed and a 5 cyl? Yeah this'll be the replacement for the speed3 if this comes to Canada

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inbokz@reddit

The only way I see this making it to the US is because they don't offer the RS3 hatch. Audi seems keen on limiting the 5cyl availability here. As a DAZA owner who's been planning on building a DAZA MK7 R, this would be welcomed.

It would be sick if they called it the Golf RS or something.

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Uncle_Hephaestus@reddit

please let this be real and shipped to the US?

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MrJelly51@reddit

This is intriguing news. I’m a fan of Audi/VW’s 5 cylinders, including the economy 2.5L naturally aspirated one from the older American Passat, golf, and Jetta - that engine was super reliable and inspired a people to give it a turbo, including on the golf variants. It’s called the 07K and despite being in relatively affordable cars, it sounds like a baby V10, and I’ve seen people take it from 170 hp to around 300 with heavy mods.

That, combined with the existence of the factory-turbo RS3/sportback, has made me always want to see a 2.5T Golf R. Especially if they can bring the price down a bit compared to the current RS3.

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campbellsimpson@reddit

YUGE news that the EA855 will live on.

I will celebrate any new engine news that is 3, 5, 6 or more cylinders.