I suppose with those designations it can work well enough, I'll just add SUV (archaic) to the list of old man things to reference in the not so far future.
Because crossover is an obsolete term. It was a short-lived term used by certain OEMs in the late 2000's and early 2010's to differentiate their unibody designs from BOF designs. These days only a handful of OEMs even offer a BOF design so there's no point.
Because for 90% of buyers, those terms mean the same thing and will be used for the same purpose. It's mostly online where we get all worked up over what's a "true" SUV and what's not.
They'll have to run this back after the Rivian R2 comes out early in 2026. Looking like it might blow the field out of the water. The Mustang EV won this one, and it's near end of lifecycle I'd guess. Model Y got a minor refresh that's been enough to keep it near the top of a field it used to dominate. A new fresh player in the small/midsized SUV space will be invigorating.
# Key Findings
* **Winner:** The **Ford Mustang Mach-E** earned the top spot for its balanced performance, including exciting driving dynamics and a spacious, practical interior. Its BlueCruise hands-free driving system was praised for being user-friendly and reliable.
* **Charging and Range:** The **Kia EV6** had the best real-world range, covering 266 miles, and the fastest charging speed, adding 160 miles in 15 minutes. The Tesla Model Y and Mustang Mach-E tied for third in range with 252 miles.
* **Driving Experience:** Each SUV had a distinct feel. The **Mach-E** was the most fun to drive, while the **Ioniq 5** offered the most comfortable and placid ride. The refreshed **Tesla Model Y** showed significant improvement with a more comfortable suspension but still had a notably quick and heavy steering feel.
* **Interior and Value:** While the **Tesla Model Y** offered the most rear legroom and impressive tech, it showed signs of cost-cutting. The **Chevrolet Equinox EV** was the least expensive at $34,995, offering great value and a long range, but its lack of Apple CarPlay/Android Auto and front-wheel-drive handling were drawbacks. The **Kia EV6** was found to be a better value than its mechanically similar counterpart, the Hyundai Ioniq 5.
I get that its motortrend but I think the severely overstimate how much people care about driving dynamics each and every time, it might have a mustang badge but its a crossover
likewise I do think people care about 2nd row folding seats
> While traditional automakers haven’t caught up to the Model Y’s sales numbers yet
I'm just going to say theres a reason they haven't caught up in sales and that buyers are not stupid
This is your proof of Tesla "absolutely collapsing in every single market"?
The model Y was the best seller in multiple countries in Q2. And tesla remains the dominant BEV manufacturer in many more.
I know that Tesla is a very controversial brand, but I also think that it shouldn't be an uncontroversial opinion that the Model Y and 3 are actually very competent vehicles, especially after the refresh which addressed many build quality pain points.
There's a reason why Jason Cammisa has said on multiple occasions that the Model 3/Y is the ["best transportation device ever made"](https://youtu.be/usxgnI1YuOc?si=6tefCUMHsfiT20NA&t=48m21s).
I'm not a Tesla fan because I'm not a tech enthusiast, and I don't like their locked down approach to servicing, but I do understand why the Model Y is the bestselling EV.
Cammisa's opinion may be not the best one to bring up here given how much egg on face his Cybertruck review has resulted in. The man lets himself run away with hype and hyperbole way too often.
The 3/Y are interesting competently-designed vehicles, and I don't think even the most die-hard of critics would argue they have legitimate merits to them. That isn't fact, controversial at all.
I will concede that Jason does have his biases, and yeah his Cybertruck “review” was overzealous to say the least. What can I say? The man can be wrong. However, I do believe that Cammisa generally has a good understanding of what makes an appealing car, and in the case of the Model Y it is a very good appliance car. Sandy Munro also agreed with him on the Model Y and I trust his opinion as an automotive engineer more than Jason’s.
I may have been too vague when I said it shouldn’t be a controversial opinion to say that the Model 3/Y are good cars, that’s actually quite a popular opinion I’ve heard from regular people and owners. However, online and on r/cars especially, I’ve seen a lot of refusal to acknowledge that Tesla can build something that’s good which I find a bit unfair. (I get the political reasons, but rule 5.)
> Sandy Munro also agreed with him on the Model Y
Good lord, Sandy Munro is straight-up a Tesla shareholder — he's an *even worse* point of reference than Jason Cammisa. The man very publicly has a financial conflict of interest on this subject. I don't even disagree with you on the Model Y but these are genuinely some of the *worst arguments-from-authorities you could have even picked.*
>I may have been too vague when I said it shouldn’t be a controversial opinion to say that the Model 3/Y are good cars, that’s actually quite a popular opinion I’ve heard from regular people and owners.
Okay, so it's (1) not controversial, and (2) actually quite a popular opinion among regular people. Glad we could get that cleared up. 💁♂️
That’s his MO. He once came flying into a conversation he wasn’t part of to directly (and erroneously) accuse me of lying about a fact (not opinion) about Tesla. Always looking for an opportunity to aggressively “akchually” someone.
You guys are so desperate and the best thing you can come up with is Sandy Munro bought a thousand shares of Tesla a decade ago and sold it for a profit. The guy runs an automotive intelligence service. You think he's shilling for Tesla for boost his stock price and make a few grand at the cost of tanking the reputation of his company and costing himself millions?
The only reason Elon isn't a total pariah in society is because people like you are his biggest haters and the rest of us see that and figure he can't be all wrong.
> The only reason Elon isn't a total pariah in society is because people like you are his biggest haters and the rest of us see that and figure he can't be all wrong.
Openly advertising yourself as a reflexive contrarian, incredible chess move.
Lol one look at Munro's YouTube channel will tell you that the man has made idolizing and defending Elon Musk his entire personality.
You stan who you want to stan buddy. It's as much a virtue signal as hating him.
It’s controversial online and on this sub to suggest the Model Y is a pretty good car. It’s not controversial IRL to say the Model Y is a pretty good car (in my case, could depend on where you live). I’m perfectly happy if you just want to talk, but it would be more productive if you have a look at the whole picture instead of only focusing on the start of the argument. And yeah I agree with you on the Model Y/3, it’s a nice car. You know? it’s not even my choice in this segment, I just like the interior and styling of the IONIQ 5 quite a lot more.
Lol this entire thread is evidence on how controversial it is to have an opinion on Tesla’s regular cars online. And I even think most of the people here agree that the Model Y is a good EV! This has got to be the most discussion about a vehicle in the comments, that didn’t even win the comparison that OP posted.
I feel like saying anything positive about Tesla on Reddit especially, is like saying anything positive about Apple. You need to preemptively say that you don’t like them before you make your point. I was being honest earlier too, I’m not kind on Tesla’s CEO (to put it lightly), and wouldn’t buy one, but I can also respect the 3 and Y for what they are.
> and owners
Will add on top of the other guys comments while I agree with you that it is a good car, owners on average will likely also say its a good car because otherwise they wouldn't have bought it, prospective buyers give the best review imho
True, but I’ve also heard a lot of owners complain about their cars, so I didn’t want to discount that perspective. Tesla owners are kind of like Jeep Wrangler owners in that sense, some get burned and swear off the brand for good, while others become ardent brand supporters.
I get what Cammisa is saying, but “best transportation device ever made” is highly dependent on the driver. This isn’t necessarily specific to Tesla, but an EV is much less convenient if you live in an apartment and don’t have a place to charge, in that case I would say a Toyota Camry Hybrid is the “best transportation device”. But yeah if you are ready for an EV, the Model Y is great. Software experience is pretty darn excellent, supercharging is simple, and the Tesla powertrain has been tested and proven.
> and I don't like their locked down approach to servicing
They are actually some of the most open in regards to servicing (DIY guides for basic stuff, full access to service mode + repair manuals, you can order majority of parts through them as well)
Theres still their proprietary toolbox software, so there is a level above the service mode that you cannot access, and it is still an EV so pain to work with any of the high voltage bits, but its still somewhat refreshing
You can access that service mode plus with a cable, laptop and a subscription to this: https://service.tesla.com/en-US/diagnostic-software
I just replaced my old headlights with matrix leds by myself with all information I needed provided to me free of charge online by Tesla.
Interesting. I read a little while ago that they were facing a [class action](https://www.reuters.com/legal/tesla-must-face-owners-lawsuit-claiming-it-monopolizes-vehicle-repairs-parts-2024-06-18/) for a monopoly on repairs and parts, but it's a pleasant surprise to learn that they are more repair friendly than I thought.
> Tesla's selling parts to consumers only on a limited basis, the judge said.
> Thompson also found evidence Tesla's alleged illegal "tying" of various markets "coerces customers into undesired purchases."
Yeah I'm interested in how that plays out, maybe they've changed for the worse, but anecdotally I had a '17 model s I did a bit of work on myself, diagnosed everything for you, was easy enough to get parts, expected the worst but was pleasantly surprised
I think the lawsuit is more about 3rd party licensed repair shops rather than DIY which might be far more of an issue idk. This was back when mobile service was actually useful
The Model Y could have Sprinter Van levels of space and I wouldn’t care. God I fucking hate it when I order and uber and a Model Y shows up.
Rear seats made up of recycled springs from a 1960s mattress and cardboard for padding.
My only experience with Model Ys is through Ubers but we got a refreshed one from the airport recently and the rear seats feel like they described -- flat and really low quality.
What helped offset this is the refresh didn't feel like it was going to fall apart on broken pavement. At least they figured out how to make it not feel like a $15k piece of shit.
Old, but I’ve been largely unimpressed with the highland TM3. Especially after traveling in SE Asia and spending a bunch of time in the back of Chinese EVs.
Rear seat of a cheap BYD Dolphin is marginally better than what Tesla pumps out.
Name the Chinese EV with a better back seat than the refresh Model Y. I've ridden in most and none of them are noticeably better. The anti-Tesla, pro-China astroturfing that goes on here is getting out of hand.
Anti-Tesla because they've been total dog-ass to ride in for 10 years. There have been threads that have hit front-page of reddit w/thousands of people bitching about how much it sucks to ride in the back of Tesla's (mostly due to aggressive regen and shitty drivers, but still).
Astro-terfing? Suck my dick. If your $50k sedan/crossover is about on par with a $15k BYD you have issues. You even said "none of them noticeably better", admitting they're more or less the same.
A loaded Accord hybrid with every option box checked is $41k out the door. A Lexus ES300h is $50k with a few options. Unless you're an Elon lap dog Tesla is not competitive when it comes to passenger comfort/$.
I had one as a turo rental and I felt the opposite, granted it was the base rwd model but for the equivalent of ~$35k after incentives the sound system was good, the noise floor was relatively low, its no sports car but it drove fun and refined enough
but for that money it also had cooled seats, decent hands free acc, I found the visualization better than a 360 camera after some time. no stalks was definitely a dealbreaker but they fixed that in the y
like the rear seats in the Y are absolutely cheaper than the Mach-e but personally I would argue it is made up for in packaging, what I felt as marginally lower noise floor, heated rear seats, and powered fold/raise
Incentives are dead in a few weeks. Time to start looking at it like a $45-$50k car.
To drive, Tesla's are fine. I wouldn't mind a Facebook marketplace special Model 3 to scoot around in. But I will firmly stand on the hill of them being some of the worst in the mid-size SUV class for rear seat occupants.
You were both talking about Model 3 in this thread, not Model Y.
> Old, but I’ve been largely unimpressed with the highland TM3.
> I had one as a turo rental and I felt the opposite, granted it was the base rwd model but for the equivalent of ~$35k after incentives
I think it's fairly obvious both myself and u/hi\_im\_bored13 are talking about the Model Y.
Regardless, you're still wrong. Model 3 is $44.2k w/zero options.
At minimum, most people are optioning a color which adds $1k-2k and buying a home charger for \~$500.
Yeah to be clear u/lilleulv we're overall discussing the model Y, just mentioning the model 3 because thats what you and I both rented
But the pricing by u/737northfield is correct, the model 3 awd w/ any paint thats not black w/ some way to charge it w/ destination is $50k
I hope they reduce prices after the tax credit is gone or introduce the rumored poverty spec trim because the entire value vs. comparable ICE for these cars is still on the tax credit
$50k is a fully specced santa fe hybrid and with how much fast charging costs these days unless you have home charging (in which case get a PHEV) EVs are not *that* cheap to charge vs. fuel ice
Getting picked up at SFO in a Model Y is hilarious. The stretch of the highway towards the city is so bad and Model Y has the worst NVH and suspension travel I’ve experienced.
(Maybe the facelift one is much better, haven’t been in one)
The post-refersh Y has muuuuuch better suspension/nvh. The suspension of the pre-refresh Y is basically the worst out of any car they've made (other than the original roadster, I suppose.)
Is the emergency rear door release still hidden under trim ensuring you’ll be charred to a skeletal crisp as you’re consumed by the relentless lithium fulled flames in an accident?
Motortrend flat out ignored normal customers for this test and it feels almost forced that they gave the Mach E the victory. There is a reason the Model Y for better or worse dominates the EV SUV market and people in that buying group care more about the tech, price, and space the most. Conflating driving experience and consumer buying choices is the worst mistake automotive journalists make.
But if you’re reading motortrend to seriously consider your next vehicle purchase, you may care. I’m not sure if the average person who doesn’t give a toot about cars is referencing motortrend.
> is referencing motortrend.
The issue is there aren't really all that many written midsize EV comparisons including tesla. Like you can search it up there are zero '25 mach-e vs. vs. '26 model y reviews other than motortrend, top gear did one years ago, usnews has the '24, but these cars have significantly changed since then
Theres the KBB one but that doesn't tell me all that much, other than that its literally just forum posts. So you need to just go test drive them yourself and dealing with ford dealers regarding EVs absolutely sucks because ford partly screwed them over and they all hate selling evs
And to be clear, this is also pretty majorly teslas fault, they don't have a traditional PR department because they're all quirky, nor a traditional fleet of press cars so you never get to see the smaller family reviewers review it until months later when they can get their hands on one
I would have loved to see a savagegeese review on what physically they changed with the refresh or on the platform of the cybertruck but I don't blame them for not wanting to go out of their way to grab one
Legitimately if you are looking for a current year midsize ev comparison this is the only one I can find
6 months ago, Jay Leno's Garage did a very long video on the [updated '26 Model Y.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ6e4-1uuGA) If I remember correctly, they go over all the changes to the car.
The reason Tesla outsells the rest still is simply because its by far the most integrated and turnkey package. The software works well. Charging infrastructure works well. Sales experience works well. You can buy it and not worry about much.
If you're buying anything else you need to find deals/sales, you need to navigate charging networks and standards, and you need to hope the software either works or it continues to get timely OTA updates.
Most people care very little for even the "practical" things like tailgate opening or seat folding mechanisms. They care, first and foremost about price and Tesla leads the industry in pricing and (perhaps even more importantly) price discovery, because its on the website and they don't haggle. You pay what you see and you know nobody else is getting a better deal at that time.
I'm taking this from their head-to-head test from a week ago
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2026-tesla-model-y-vs-2025-ford-mustang-mach-e-comparison-test-review
> When it comes to charging, however, the Model Y is still well ahead of the Mach-E. Ford’s battery technology caps fast charging at 150 kW to the Tesla’s 250 kW, and it shows up big time in our testing. The Model Y adds an additional 36 miles of range every 15 minutes compared to the Mach-E, meaning you’ll be done and on your way several minutes sooner.
I have no idea whats changed in a week
In that test they also mention FSD and then mention Navigate on Autopilot which are two different systems so I'm very confused on motortrends methodology altogether
I think the Model Y is a fantastic option, but I would constantly be in fear of it being vandalized coming from someone is a very purple area. I don't want to have to go out shopping, and hope my car doesnt get vandalized.
For me, thats easily enough to push it down several rankings regardless of how objectively good it is.
I've never heard of Model 3/Y's getting vandalized. They're pretty ubiquitous and I think the fervor has died down a bit now that Elon is back to his usual clownery instead of his advanced clownery. I had a Tesla until recently and never got a dirty look or anything.
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Yeah it’s a joke. People have the hang up on Kia/hyubdai. As did I. Until I got one. Really surprised me. Quietest car I’ve driven. (Road noise that is). Really impressed with what they are doing.
Ya I bought a Tuscon this year I drove all the compact SUVs and I could not get over what the Tuscon offered main seller though was largest cargo capacity of the class. All the other ones did not seem to have everything.
Oh wow thanks that’s really helpful. I thought everyone who had different preferences than me was biased.
I’m more referring to the fact that the Y is the cheapest of the group if you leave off checking EVERY option, including the $8k FSD (which they dinged because they had “ethical concerns”) and dinging the interior because Tesla didn’t include a “sun shade” for the glass roof.
Like I said, go drive them. There is no competition at the price point. To pretend otherwise is bias.
>and dinging the interior because Tesla didn’t include a “sun shade” for the glass roof
That's a completely justifiable ding and not something I would consider a viable vehicle in Texas.
>Like I said, go drive them. There is no competition at the price point. To pretend otherwise is bias.
The Ioniq 5 and EV6 were much better drives in our experience. They were a lot more comfortable and didn't feel as cheap at the time. We've been in a refreshed Y Uber recently and the interior still doesn't feel up to par at its price point.
Looked at/test drove a lot of these recently when picking out a new EV. I'm surprised the Equinox EV was so far down. I still think it's wild to not allow the option of Carplay, but I have the Lyriq which has it alongside the Android system shared with the Equinox. I never use Carplay and for 99% of people the Android system is better or on par. A little uglier but there's no functionality I miss, better phone integration than my Tesla had.
The VW was one I liked but the interior was so bad for the base model price and the top level is way overpriced. The Cadillac interiors have much more to offer, especially the base Optiq being very well appointed. Drives decent and has great interior space though.
The Mach-E is a surprise pick. Drove as well as some others and seemed to be the one that really benchmarked the Model Y. Base range was not impressive when if you go to a Ford dealer to ask about one they will immediately glaze over and you get the impression they do not care about selling these. They seem to be pretty decently spec'd out but I just couldn't help but think "why wouldn't I just get a Model Y" when looking at them. Very much just made for people who want a Model Y but don't want a Tesla.
I didn't have headroom in the Hyundai/Kia so I couldn't test drive them.
The Equinox wasn't going to be competitive when MT could only get the bottom trim. It's missing $20k of features compared to the rest of these cars, including some that would be real high points, like Super Cruise.
The Model 3/Y infotainment system is really well done and regularly updated. The same expectation doesn’t exist with the legacy automakers. I generally don’t miss CarPlay on my model 3, but need it on other cars.
The android interface has been great for most commonplace features - navigation and music are 99% of what I'm actually doing in the screens and it's a wash between GM and Tesla for those. Both work well, I like the voice commands in the Cadillac a bit more since you can say things like "look for drive throughs on my way home".
But as a package the Tesla was still the best in terms of a polished interface that just worked. The phone as a key feature was super convenient, sentry mode was great to have as peace of mind, and the app integration (locking/remote climate/etc) worked much better than the GM app does. I only used the Tesla FSD on highways and in the use case the Bluecruise feels a little more "natural" and is totally hands free, while the Tesla is a little more unpredictable but is technically able to do much more in self driving.
>The Cadillac interiors have much more to offer, especially the base Optiq being very well appointed.
Of course, it does as a luxury brand. That's reason why you shouldn't look in VW and should look in Audi.
I didn't end up test driving the Audi EV's but they were pretty uncompetitive on price and range. Also had fewer features than the higher trims of the ID.4 like ventilated seats and a 360 camera. Frustrating because I really liked how the VW drove I just wish they didn't make such odd decisions on the trim levels, it made none of them a good option for us.
What do you love about the Lyriq that made you choose it over the competition? I’ve been considering it but at that price, I start to look at used Rivians… 🤔
I'm leasing and ultimately they had a much better lease deal than the Rivians. My wife and I wanted a nicer interior than the Tesla, I wanted a 360 cam and ventilated seats so it was one that ticked those boxes. I'm pretty tall and like 90% torso so there are a lot of cars I can't fit in, basically it was down to the Lyriq, VW ID.4, and Mach-E. The lease deals on the Cadillac/GM stuff was much more attractive. I have a friend with a Rivian she likes it and if the price were the same I probably would have gotten one. The Lyriq is probably the most comfortable car I've ever driven, it's super quiet and plush on the inside.
> if you go to a Ford dealer
Yeah the worst part of the ev experience both from fords perspective and the buyers perspective is by far the dealer. Dealers made them scrap the central ev inventory system, their EV investment/certification program recieved enormous pushback, no way to implement direct-sales
I am a bit confused how the prices make sense because i specced out a mach-e premium w/ awd w/ larger battery w/ pano roof + permanent bluecruise + color and its $50k before incentives
Likewise even with the $8k FSD package (which you shouldn't get and should just pay 99$/mo if you care) a fully specced model y was $58k incl destination
I had no idea that Ford was now offering blue cruise as a one time purchase. That's actually a great deal. I was ok with it as a subscriptions since it was paying for continual mapping of the roads and the hands-on adaptive cruise / lane keep still worked without it. I don't like that they don't guarantee it after 7 years but I guess newer cars may have the technology to drive without the mapping.
Yeah and even a la carte its like $500/yr, half of what FSD costs
I think tesla needs to bring back extended autopilot or whatever as a middle ground option. I would want automatic lane changes and automatic parking, I wouldn't want to shell out $1.2k/yr for beta software
When did I say it needed to be monthly? EAP before was available both as a one-time purchase and as a monthly offering
I also don't think either of these (natural automatic lane changes, good auto park) are fairly ordinary car features
Blue cruise can't drive on city streets though, which is the only thing I'd truly prefer. Also here in Canada, blue cruise doesn't even work on most highways.
$500/year is still not worth it in my opinion. I live in CA and blue cruise is great for traffic in LA/SF but lots of times it will deactivate if there’s minor turns or if you’re in the left(carpool lane) or right lane(exit/entries) where the lane widens. I expect it now but the regular “hands-free”(hands off steering wheel for like every 5-10 seconds) works just as well. I think $30/mo or $300/year would be what I would pay for it.
I got a 3 year trial with mine and was able to get another year added, but I won't know if I get the extra year until my current 3 year expires in 6/2026.
The 1.5 system in the '25 mach-e is allegedly a solid improvement, more comparable to supercruise now
But prior to '25 I never really understood the hype and felt it was comparable to base acc from tesla
That’s great to hear, I believe I’m still on 1.3, not sure if I’ll be able to get 1.5. What irks me is no vented seats or power adjustable steering wheel until the 2025 model.
> not sure if I’ll be able to get 1.5
Its a hardware upgrade, and no retrofits, bit disappointing especially considering you're paying the same $500 for worse features
> What irks me is no vented seats or power adjustable steering wheel until the 2025 model.
For me the killer was the lack of heat pump until this year, at least in '23 they made the heater a little more powerful but no heatpump in the northeast means you practically loose half your range half the year
Yeah heat pump addition is great in the colder areas but 40%? Reduction in front trunk space for those that like to use it would probably not like it as much.
damn nvm then i hate how manufacturers do that
cannot fathom why someone would get the mach-e then when the tesla is the same price before incentives as the mach-e is after
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Didn't mention it because it depends on state and the fed credit disappears in a month but for me (nyc)
- $549/mo white model y awd, 36 mo, 10k mi/yr, 0 down
- $547/mo white mach-e premium, bluecruise + pano roof, 36 mo, 10.5k mi/yr, 0 down
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, the model y includes basic autopilot which is hands free acc, bluecruise does lane changes as well, for that you need FSD which is $99/mo, but FSD also operates outside of highways, but is finicky, so value that however you want
I think they are comparable in price? I didn't check local inventory for the Y or the Mach-E
The term SUV has become completely meaningless, most of these are just cars. Maybe cross overs if you really push it.
You won't convince me these are different classes of vehicle: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/nissan-leaf-2017-5-door-hatchback-vs-hyundai-ioniq-5-2021-suv/ They are both hatchbacks, one is a slightly larger hatchback.
> yet they consistently score near the top in rankings
Near the top of the rankings comparing amongst themselves? American EV efforts get flamed relative to the chinese which are tarrifed out of competition in the states
Actually out of this list I would put Model Y 1st, Equinox 2nd, Mach E 3rd.
If going for pure EVs and use case.
Or if keeping pricing consistent
Blazer / Model Y Tied
Mach E
IONIQ
I’ve been in the market for a new EV and currently drive a 2021 Model Y.
Mach E is at the bottom of my list based on my research thus far… am I wrong?!
Ioniq 5 is top, but I’m worried about the ICCU failures. The new Model Y looks fantastic and the Kia EV6 just a tad too small for my needs (regularly hauling 4-5 large boxes and gear for monthly/weekly sporting events).
Just copying my comment from the EV sub list week because it contains the info on charging and range. In order of their overall ranking, NOT charging and range ranking
1st Place: Ford Mustang Mach-E: EPA Range 300 mi 70MPH test 252 mi fast changing 95 mi @ 15 min, 158 mi @ 30 min
2nd Place: Kia EV6 EPA range 295 mi 70Mph test 266 mi fast charging 160 mi @ 15 min, 232 mi @ 30 min
3rd Place: Hyundai Ioniq 5 EPA Range 269 mi 70Mph test 234 mi fast charging 138 mi @ 15 min, 202 mi @ 30 min
4th Place: Tesla Model Y EPA Range 311 mi 70MPH test 252 mi fast changing 133 mi @ 15 min, 194 mi @ 30 min
5th Place: Chevrolet Equinox EV EPA range 319 mi 70MPH test 262 mi fast charging 94 mi @ 15 min, 157 mi @ 30 min
6th Place: Toyota bZ EPA range 278 mi 70MPH test 222 mi fast changing 115 mi @ 15 min, 187 mi @ 30 min
7th Place: Volkswagen ID4 EPA range 263 mi 70MPH test 208 mi fast charging mi103 mi @ 15 min, 160 mi @ 30 min
Grabs popcorn
I’d personally take the EV6! That said, I’ve had pleasant experiences with the Mach-E too. The interior feels a bit cheap, but it rides well and is pretty comfortable if you don’t care much about the quality of the plastics or the cloth seats on the base trim
Wasn’t half the point of making EVs to be super cool, stylish, and smart looking compared to ICE?
these are all just ugly ass suvs without an air intake
I think the auto journalist bias comes into play here a bit - for the average person who does not care about driving dynamics, they will be happier in the Ioniq 5, the Mach-E’s infotainment and laggy hvac controls are by far worst in class, possibly worst in the industry - and I have a Mach-e!
That is also a testament to just how incredibly fun the Mach-e is to drive. The thing is a manic, tail-happy toy with a very stiff roll at setup. Just past the limit, the thing gets hilarious in a way the logo implies. I will say though, in the real world, the Mach-e has the best range here too.
Coming from an ICE Mustang, I thought the Mach-E would be a self serving recommendation for my spouse’s SUV replacement. Yes, it is more fun than most SUV’s but it’s still an SUV imo.
> The thing is a manic, tail-happy toy with a very stiff roll at setup. Just past the limit, the thing gets hilarious in a way the logo implies.
Spot on. I love how you can turn all of the electronic nannies off and shred as much tire as you want, even in the cheapest MME on the lot.
“iTs nOt a mUsTaNg, CUV eLeCtRiC bAd” yeah bro but I have a wife + kids/animals, and you can’t drift a GTI with the gas pedal
I almost never change my MachEs hvac settings. I’ve got it set to 70F and it hits a comfortable temperature almost all the time. It could use some improvements. The thing that drives me nuts on my MachE is issues with gps lock and CarPlay…
This irritates me from journalists. The reality of this test in real-world situations is that the consumer will definitely notice paying NEARLY 100% MORE for a car and will definitely make that a large contributing factor. Everyone goes into a buying situation thinking what they want is the best technology, best driving characteristics, fanciest interior, etc, and then reality smacks when its time to purchase. MT, why wouldn't that be a major factor?
Of course not. If you read the article, they discuss that.
Literally listed as a "Pro" for the Equinox is "Great value". Also listed as "Cons" are no Apple Carplay or Android Auto and slow charging. Those cons are there regardless of the trim of Equinox.
A 'great value' is a wild understatement. This 'great value' costs, as tested, about 30% less than every other vehicles base price. The Reddit opinion seems to not care about price.
Also, we care deeply about the CarPlay/AA topic. Equinox EV was also the third best-selling EV in the US last quarter. Once again, it seems the Reddit opinion isn't aligned with reality.
That is in the absolute base spec equinox with no AWD, no ACC, no heated seats, not even an option for dual zone climate, ventilated seats, supercruise, etc.
And likewise that model y is with awd, fsd, pricey paint, pricier rims
An LT2 AWD w/ convenience and safety package is $50k and a model y awd is $49k, basically the same. They were seeded unrealistic, incomparable configurations for both
Point I was ultimately making here is that the test is highly unusual, and if a test like this must happen, pricing should be a major deciding factor. This is almost literally like comparing a C300 to an M3.
I'm not making a case for non-representation. I'm saying that if we were to treat this like a consumer walking into a dealership, presented with these 6 options, the Equinox EV, I guarantee, would not be placed 5/6 when the price tag variance is that high. I'm just stating the obvious: MT and other mags have a history of unfair placement, where the reality of price is hardly ever accounted for as a major importance. I've been reading them for years, and this remains an issue.
> but because the overall package can be had at such a low price point than what it competes against
The FWD EV package, not the overall package, equivalently optioned you're paying the same if not more money vs. the competition here, I don't think its as impressive as you are framing it as
I'm not attacking you, I'm just making an observation: The Equinox EV is the only vehicle here that starts in the $30k's. To a lot of consumers, especially those buying an EV SUV, a lot of these people for the first time, this is a big deal because finally they'll be able to afford something of this size that's also an EV. For that reason alone, the Chevy represents something that's phenomenal to a new purchasing base. The $20-30k difference in price here, of which no other vehicle here can replicate, is enough to look over feeble accomplishments like driving dynamics and power. I'm just wondering if you or the people over at MT understand how big a deal this is to people whose salaries are finite, who have access to quick and easy charging, and are in need of a vehicle like this. There's literally no other vehicle like this available in the US.
I’m a little confused as to why they optioned the Tesla Model Y with Full Self Driving when it makes no sense to pay outright for it (+$8,000).
You can just subscribe for $100/mo when you want to use it / try the latest update.
The blazer and equinox are essentially the same size, within a few inches. The equinox is just 20k Less due to being the low cost option. The other cars are all much more expensive, priced similar to the blazer.
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