Thank you James Gunn
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Snoo_54302@reddit
I mean this in a good sense, but this is the most superhero movie ever imo
Numerous-Concept-878@reddit
No way bro thinks Hawkgirl and Green Lantern are C-list heroes
entitledfanman@reddit
Guy Gardner is definitely a c-list Green Lantern. It's a running joke throughout DC that he's way lamer than Hal Jordan and John Stewart.
just_so_irrelevant@reddit
None of the main 4 Lanterns (Hal, John, Guy, Kyle) could ever be C-list.
ThrowRA-football@reddit
At most Guy is B-list. Mr terrific is definitely C-list. Hawkgirl is C/B list.
DangerDamage@reddit
Guy is absolutely C-list, so is Kyle.
The most popular DC media with green lantern were the animated shows which had only John and Hal, and Ryan Reynolds GL movie that's a complete joke where he played Hal.
Most casual fans probably knew he was Green Lantern but had no idea who Guy was specifically.
entitledfanman@reddit
Its not that Guy doesnt get good "screen time", it's that he's perceived as a complete doofus by many characters in universe. The writers are clearly in on it with that yee yee as haircut.
t3nz0@reddit
I know 0 people who heard of Peacemaker or Mr. Terrific before Gunn's movies.
Sbotkin@reddit
I thought Peacemaker was a shitpost character made specifically for Cena.
Bruhimgonzo@reddit
I knew peace but never heard of Mr Terrific and it’s nice that Gunn always includes some obscure hero
mister--krabs@reddit
Peacemaker yeah but Mr terrific was pretty famous
KobraTheKipod@reddit
And Metamorpho and Terrific are probably no lower than B-tier, imo
yaangyiing_@reddit
they are nobodies, but not anymore thanks to Gunn
kismethavok@reddit
All of the heroes were at least B list except for the engineer whom Gunn fucked up anyways.
Mythun4523@reddit
Yeah like. Guy gardner is probably the least known GL compared to Hal and John. But he's still not a C list. And hawkgirl is definitely not a C list, even though this version is different from the most famous one.
Token_Thai_person@reddit
Idk man the scene where superman screams "BRING ME NETHANYAHU" and executing him in public is a bit on the nose.
Ans playing the air bud defense saying there is no laws forbidding Kryptonians from killing head of states is wild as well.
ListlessLink@reddit
Is this supposed to be one of those shitposting comments that intentionally dont make sense
LiteVisiion@reddit
Nah it's a niche reference of Israelis thinking the bad guy (not Lex, another one) is a insert for Netanyahu
RoxLOLZ@reddit
Which is weird, because the guy was speaking Croatian (source: Im Croatian and the entire theatre laughed like hell when he started talking) so you could say he was a Ustashe insert or bend it a bit and he is a Serb killing Bosniaks
PermissionSoggy891@reddit
They do say the two countries are Eastern European
d0ggzilla@reddit
Hey... the bad things this bad guy does in the movie to make him a bad guy are strikingly similar to the things our irl good guy leader is doing right now. Oy vey, the chutzpah
maxtinion_lord@reddit
I agree with you, but affirming a connection between distinctly Jewish things like oy vey and chutzpah to Zionists is not helping the discussion, and in fact hurts the effort. Let's work to separate the genocidal freaks from the uninvolved folks, yeah?
Scaredsparrow@reddit
Thats an anti-semite you are replying to not a leftists. This is r/greentext so there's a lot of them. The dogwhistling and conflation of zionists/jews is intentional.
d0ggzilla@reddit
Did you just label me an antisemite?
Scaredsparrow@reddit
The only people who joke by speaking in Hebrew are anti-semites.
pheonix42069@reddit
Oy vey… stop being delusional
d0ggzilla@reddit
Well that's patently false.
Bears_On_Stilts@reddit
Also, it wasn’t Hebrew, it was Yinglish, the semi official argot of comedy. A lot of the unspoken rules of what’s funny are tied to the overlap of English and Yiddish.
maxtinion_lord@reddit
that figures, I kinda thought this sub was just some kind of deep satire or irony, but it figures that it's just actual overlap with 4chan morons. I figured the dogwhistling was intentional, just didn't wasn't sure how genuine the sentiment was. Edited my comment to reflect that I probably do not agree with their views lol
d0ggzilla@reddit
Strange. Your instinct was correct, I just threw in the "Oy vey" shit for comedy effect. It's a shame you're so easily swayed by others. Don't become a useful tool.
maxtinion_lord@reddit
Your mother is easily swayed by my penis, and she is a useful tool for my penis 🐵
d0ggzilla@reddit
vocaloid_horror_ftw@reddit
Why are you being downvoted? The solution to zionism isn't antisemitism.
maxtinion_lord@reddit
I'm going to toss a guess that this sub attracts children who are incapable of breaking the 4chan persona and being serious about this, or they are just anti-semites. No skin off my back.
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
I find that this sub attracts both serious and unserious demographics. That's why we end up with the comment now having a positive upvote ratio. It's honestly good that we have a clash of two echo chambers in here
Hello-_-Kitty@reddit
shut up nerd
Exurota@reddit
He did kinda seem like a topical insertion. There's an innocent country full of brown people being rolled over by a powerful neighbour with a military funded by another nation as a proxy war.
Does that not sound like a left wing description of exactly that current war?
Scoo@reddit
Sounds like an objective description.
Exurota@reddit
Innocent is not an objective descriptor, so it isn't.
ListlessLink@reddit
It sounds like it might be, if one hasn't paid attention to any history in the middle east
Exurota@reddit
How many people with Palestine flags in their bluesky bios actually understand history in the middle east?
Sinnaman420@reddit
They probably have a stronger understanding of it than you, based on this comment lol
CombinationCrazy1719@reddit
I wonder if Netanyahu did anything wrong for the entire world see him on a movie villain...
Jacob_Cicero@reddit
I wonder if he maybe got convicted in an international court for committing war crimes.
Haru1st@reddit
Not yet. There is a warrant for his arrest though.
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
The fact that they think something completely unrelated to them is about them makes the whole thing even more hilarious.
Saughtvol@reddit
Cake and the cutting room floor is always a nightmare
The_Third_Molar@reddit
No, it's an actual scene from the movie.
sanesociopath@reddit
Only it's not???
This is like 3rd hand description from someone.
chainer3000@reddit
I’ve seen the movie 4 times and that happened in at least 3 viewings
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
Can we watch it together but while taking crack
Lucroq@reddit
Listen, I have played Netanyahu in this movie and there were no special effects or stunt doubles and I definitely died. So I can attest to its veracity.
Kel4597@reddit
No it’s a scene from the movie
Lucroq@reddit
The three specific references I could identify:
Many people have remarked on this movie being in some way critical of Israel and/or colonial governments and thus supportive of the Palestinian struggle (I cannot verify as I haven't watched and can't be arsed to check for a reddit comment) and playing that to the max and beyond
The (not so recent anymore) of the movie Morbius where the common joke was the main character saying "It's morbin time" which definitely didn't happen, so kinda a nod to that (as in referencing something in the movie that definitely didn't happen that anyone knows who hasn't even seen it)
Air Bud - "there's no rules against dogs playing basketball so I guess we gotta allow it"
As I said, haven't seen it, but these just jumped to mind immediately. So no, it's not a nonsensical post. Always assume other people know something that you don't.
HungerSTGF@reddit
yes especially considering the dictator of the fictional country is killed by someone that isn’t superman
Copperhead_BETA@reddit
Saw in a behind the scenes yesterday (i think the justice gang one) that Gunn outright stated that Hawkgirl killing the dicator man is going to have consequences. So i would hold my judgement for now, knowing Gunn they'll probably do somethibg interesting with that in the future. Maybe they'll want to put her in court, thus continuing the theme this movie had of if heroes have to put up with international law. We'll see
CamazotzRising@reddit
How could Gunn get away with this......
Multispoilers@reddit
Lmao
Rusty1031@reddit
jej
yaangyiing_@reddit
the middle east has been a DC villain since the 50s
ImTeijirr@reddit
Lol, I was sad that it was so lacking in subtlety. The part where Lex Luthor gives the man a donut was like pausing the movie and Gunn screaming "guys, see! He's the USA president!". The superman monologue at the end was super cringe too.
Imo, the good parts were Lex Luthor, Green Lantern and the Clark/Lois relationship. It was enjoyable, but not a movie to remember.
Saiyanjin1@reddit
I really enjoyed the movie but that’s a lie that it’s the best Lex we’ve seen. Dude is trying HARD to be a hater like Reverse Flash but failing.
He was ok but nothing crazy. The animated lex from most of the 2000’s and after by FAR is the best lex. Now that’s a generation hater.
yaangyiing_@reddit
ya lex is not a petulant child, he's a sleek middle aged man, which is why it's so surprising that his hatred for Superman is so god damn petty. This lex is too obvious, but quite entertaining to watch
BlueDragon101@reddit
Are you familiar with Lex in comics at all?
The dude gave up omnipotence just because he couldn’t use that omnipotence to be a dick to Superman.
He is and always has been a reverse flash level Superman hater.
yaangyiing_@reddit
yeah did you even read my comment? To everyone else he's this rich mastermind, but when the chips are down he's always revealed to be truly petty and insecure. The lex in james gunn's movie is far more obvious, less respected, less dignified.
Sbotkin@reddit
Rosembaum is the best Lex and it's not even close.
Vlisa@reddit
I still randomly go back and watch the clip of Lex talking to Gold Amazo. Love his greed, his desire for everything, felt like the only character in DC who could have saved the world at that moment.
Puwn@reddit
Agreed. Lex was one of the only things I didnt like in this movie and saying that he was the best Lex in history is crazy. Smallville Lex, animated Lex, are way better.
JohnQBalatro@reddit
people can shit on this movie all they want but i’m just glad we’re past the phase of superhero movies that are embarrassed to be superhero movies
Old-Implement-6252@reddit
Felt like the past decades super hero movies were pandering to edgy middle schools forgetting that that demographic has the worst opinions
ILoveBigCoffeeCups@reddit
I blame Disney. They took multiple ip's that had very loyal fans (like Star Wars, Indiana jones, Marvel...) . and then started to change the core message of that ip to ship it to other demographics so ''everyone'' can be a fan and be included, resulting in the original fandom that spent a lot of money on it to not care about it anymore. And then no one liked it anymore. and then Disney was like the pikachu face.
They touched something unique and changed it.
wordjedi@reddit
The only thing that bothers me is when they take an established character and decide it's not gay enough or whatever, then queermod so the rainbow community will supposedly shower them with gaybucks. It irritates established fans and they starve at the box office.
Repeat 999 times because no lessons were learned this day
Moarnourishment@reddit
Is this really a thing that's regularly happening? Admittedly, I haven't watched many MCU movies since no way home, but the only LGBTQ characters I remember in MCU are America Chavez and that guy in Eternals whose name I can't remember because I don't remember anyone in that movie.
Suspicious-Whippet@reddit
It's not true. They just pick a random LGBT movie that flopped and then use that as an example for 6 months, neglecting all others that didn't flop. It's a typical type of argument these people make. They'll do it with anything they don't like.
Ozuge@reddit
It's really not. These people simply enjoy their fantasy of big corporations eventually gay-beaming them as well.
TomCBC@reddit
It annoyed me in the third kelvin Star Trek movie when they made Sulu gay. For the same reasons George Takei himself didn’t like it. As he said, Takei is gay. Sulu isn’t.
DownVoteMeGently@reddit
I'm mad at myself for stanning Zack Snyder.
Superman opened my eyes to what superhero movies should really aspire to be.
raider1v11@reddit
So, Twitter essentially.
twotokers@reddit
And absolutely no money spend on shit
Mesarthim1349@reddit
Well remember years ago that was the prime demographic. It takes time for em to adapt
HubrisOfApollo@reddit
Capeshit slop needs to go.
Sparta63005@reddit
It must be so exhausting to just hate on everything like you do. You can literally put anything ever into a ___slop designation.
Black leathershit slop needs to go.
HubrisOfApollo@reddit
I don't hate on everything, just stuff that has been overdone to the point of exhaustion.
Sparta63005@reddit
The whole point of the post is that something like Superman hasn't come out in a long time... which is totally true...
HubrisOfApollo@reddit
It's still a dude with superhuman powers in spandex. It'soverplayed
The_Meemeli@reddit
You don't the the potential variety of the genre with different types of movies/shows, like Donner's Superman, Spider-Verse, The Dark Knight, Logan, Thor Ragnarok, Raimi's Spider-Man, Invincible, Super (2010), etc?
Sparta63005@reddit
Then go watch another movie?? Nobody is forcing you to see Superman. I saw The Naked Gun recently and it was great. Nobody is stopping you from seeing other films.
The_Meemeli@reddit
You replied to the wrong comment c:
Rambozo77@reddit
Just because there are a few good movies in that sea of spandex crap, doesn’t mean we need to make more of them. We’ve done almost exclusively superhero’s since iron man. I’m with that guy, I’ve had enough, too.
The_Meemeli@reddit
Fair enough, but my point wasn't about quality (I think there are more good ones than just those), but rather about variety.
I personally can't relate to "I'm sick of x topic of movie" when that topic can include so many different kinds of tones, genres and visual styles. It probably helps that I haven't watched most of the ones after Infinity War, though, only watching the ones that stand out (The Batman, Across the Spider-Verse, Superman). I also skip most other big budget slop that doesn't seem to stand out (Fast and Furious, Transformers, The Electric State, the Minecraft movie)
Rambozo77@reddit
Ok, I’ll be more specific. I’m tired of big “action movies,” that are 95% green screen and cgi, with people saving the world. I don’t care if it’s super heroes, alien invasions, or tough guys driving cars. I haven’t seen any of it since the first avengers movie. I love going to the movies, but I don’t want to watch that, much less pay $20+ for the privilege. My wife and I used to love going to the movies, but when the films we actually wanted to see are out of the theater in 2 weeks and only have 4 different show times because every theater is filled with “capeshit,” it makes me unhappy.
HubrisOfApollo@reddit
This isn't exactly they've replaced plot completely with shiny CGI and everyone eats it up like candy and I don't understand it
The_Meemeli@reddit
New Dune movies were really good, I hope we get more like those.
Rambozo77@reddit
Yes, I agree with you there. The Dunes were very good. They’re all CGI and green screens, too, as far as I can tell. But at least there was more going on than just good guys vs bad guys + explosions = blockbuster.
leastemployableman@reddit
Some people believe that every movie needs to be some sort of Oscar bait art-house b.s to be considered good, instead of going to the cinema with family and friends to have a fun experience. I used to be like this, too, before I started a family. I actually had fun at the minecraft movie, not because it was a masterpiece or anything, it was far from it, but because it was fun and my kids had a blast.
Upper_Current@reddit
Go where? To be replaced by what?
RocketRaccoen@reddit
War of the Worlds of course
_sephylon_@reddit
Bring back YA novel slop
DayInTheLifeOfAGod@reddit
Happy Gilmore 3-10
JohnQBalatro@reddit
i hope you have a good day :)
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Avengers doomsday is embarrassed to be a superhero movie
Bekoon@reddit
Youre the reason the industry is f*cked
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Huh? what did I do? when a hero movie doesn't respect the characters and make shitty changes it's because of embarrassment imo, I don't see every hero movie under the sun and I don't consume mindless slop, so idk what you mean
Bekoon@reddit
The movie is literally not out yet and you already complain
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Am I not allow to complain on how they're recylcing RDJ?, how they're not respecting Dr Doom's character? how they're already shooting without a finished script? between other issues?
Bekoon@reddit
What does recycling amazing actor change? Why exactly is doom disrespected? As i said - making things up just to hate a film that isnt even out yet - part of the problem
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Dr Doom won't use his iconic mask, they white wash a Romanian character, RDJ had his time on the spotlight and feels forces because marvel has been on decline, and the script part isn't made up, so if pointing out flaws makes me part of a made up problem then so be it in your delusions
Bekoon@reddit
Dr Doom has his mask, the fact that it looks kinda different doesnt change anything - MCU characters have different costumes than comics and it still doesnt change the fact that some of them are great films. Romanians are literally white people, wym? RDJ had his time but still there's nothing wrong with reusing an actor, especially if its a) actor of RDJ caliber b) literally a masked character.
None of the things you pointed out are flaws, its just you trying to find any reason to be salty for god knows why - as i said, part of the problem. You people will never be happy.
Harryofthecharlottes@reddit
Sorry I'm not fine with mediocrity Dr Dooms mask is essential for his character, changing that makes him no Dr Doom in my eyes. What I meant about white washing is that an American actor is playing a role that's supposed to be done by a Romani, people who still face discrimination nowadays, You know, gypsis and here comes an a american to represent a character that needs that cultural background for his origin And filming without a script just shows how rushed and problematic production is for the movie.
I don't even like the mcu I hope it burns down, but these flaws are rough to ignore
Mohawesome@reddit
Oh damn is it out already?
I_cut_my_own_jib@reddit
Yeah the "grounded in realism" schtick worked well for iron man and the dark knight trilogy because they're just using pure technology, and not real super powers. Similar thing with the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy where there was a "grounded in reality" theme because peter just a kid fighting Street crime, I'm even if his powers were a bit more fantastical.
But applying the "grounded" nature to movies with superheroes that fly and shoot laser beams from their eyes was just never going to work.
Mrmac1003@reddit
We've been past that since like 2012...these movies are dogshit.
TSiQ1618@reddit
I think the next big action movie fad could be Anime live action, if Hollywood was smart they would take it serious. Just lean fully into the over-the-topness. Realize how the generation coming of age, grew up on anime, similar to the way MCU fans grew up on US comics. But I think that's the key to a lot of anime, is the glorification of over-the-top/suspension-of-disbelief, and once you can get past that you can enjoy it
schmitzel88@reddit
Every superhero movie is identical and interchangeable. It's all slop for children. Arguing about which is the "good" one is like debating which kids meal toy is the most fun to play with.
Murkymicrobe@reddit
Well I mean objectivity speaking some kids meal toys are better than others.
Dripht_wood@reddit
I don’t think we’ve been in that phase since Iron Man. It was just the Snyder DC stuff.
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
I still have enough memory retention to remember critics were mad that Iron Man suit looks too 'comic book accurate' and made the film 'look childish'. There's a reason Hawkeye wasn't give a suit and Thor didn't have a helmet. Marvel only manage to make comic book movies look cool after the very first Avengers film.
Dripht_wood@reddit
Are you implying I’m being revisionist?
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
Not my intention but maybe yes, maybe no I guess. I mean it's not some secret that every criticism about Marvel movies since Iron Man was about how it's "too close to comic book depictions". Every critic kept using Bryan Singer's X-Men and the Dark Knight trilogy as example of how comic book movie should be done, then magically 'comic book accuracy' suddenly became a good thing after Avengers dropped. I still remember all the dumb fuck articles yapping about 'Liking comic books is cool now!' as if their opinion is what matters the most.
Dripht_wood@reddit
Well you came across as annoyingly condescending, so thanks for that.
TomatoSpecialist6879@reddit
I don't even know how you infer that from what I commented unless you're one of those critics that wrote contrarian articles lmao. I'm mostly just talking about those annoying critics that wrote hit pieces because they're either contrarians, or mad they didn't get paid to write reviews.
Emergency-Ad-5379@reddit
The MCU has eased us into the bright comic book world, you couldn't have done this superman in 2008, probably not even until the post guardians era of the MCU where they went in an even more comedic direction (Thor Ragnarok for example)
Dripht_wood@reddit
I don’t know exactly what you mean by “couldn’t have done”, but I stand by my original point. Superhero movies haven’t been “embarrassed to be superhero” movies for over a decade. Like, obviously.
Would a studio have greenlit this script back then is a different discussion.
Emergency-Ad-5379@reddit
I agree with you, before iron man this sort of movie with pre established superheroes wouldn't have worked with audiences without being a comedy or parody. Iron man marked the start of superheroes owning what they are but it was still a process.
SaintCambria@reddit
Well before that it was the Singer X-men, and even after we got tacticool Hawkeye instead of purple spandex.
Redmangc1@reddit
Captain Americas avengers outfit was considered too comicbooky so it was darkened to be more military like
Dripht_wood@reddit
I agree. Before Marvel took over superhero movies that too were afraid of being campy.
But that’s doesn’t mean they should all be campy. I have no issues with turning Hawkeye into a more grounded character.
CxFusion3mp@reddit
Marvel jumped the shark on campy unfortunately. Need to return to the center. Full of fart jokes bad. Humor good. Serious in situations can be okay.
Azurill@reddit
Such a relief after what feels like more than a decade of either Marvel slop/Snyder slop. Bright, colorful, not pretentious
de420swegster@reddit
It didn't really feel any different from most other superhero movies from the last 15-20 years to me.
squatOpotamus@reddit
Phase? Aside from Snyder its been all Disney.
NighthawK1911@reddit
true dat. The fact that wolverine finally went with yellow spandex and full cowl was great
Argentarius1@reddit
That the movie sincerely believes in goodness was very endearing. I liked that a lot.
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
Honestly it didn’t go hard enough. When you’ve got a character as evil as Lex you’ve gotta hit hard on the contrast of Superman’s goodness.
And it just… doesn’t.
Lex is outlandishly, immensely, unfathomably evil.
Superman is very nice.
It just doesn’t balance out to a net positive. Ted Lasso and Subaru Natsuki should not inspire more hope and optimism in me than motherfucking SUPERMAN
darklightmatter@reddit
It goes several million steps beyond "very nice" for a superhero to save a squirrel in the midst of a city being attacked.
Also there's nothing outlandish or unfathomable about how evil Lex is. Would it shock you if you learn that the US interests backing Palestinian genocide stand to gain from it?
His intellectual capability and fictional means aside, he's very much within the range of the evil the average human is capable of. Which of his actions are you deeming outlandish or unfathomable?
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
How bout him being willing to shoot a baby if someone acted up? Or him kidnapping and planning to murder a dog? Or him locking his ex-girlfriends in a extradimensional prison?
The thing is, real evil is driven by greed and pride. Almost every action led takes is done from spite, and that alone means he’s capable of far worse than almost any real person. Greedy people still need a justifier. Lex only needs to know it’ll hurt Superman. Gaza’s genocide is happening because the US stands to gain from it. Lex began a similar conflict simply with the hope the Clark would interfere and lead to the government giving lex permission to kill him. There’s no line he won’t cross if it hurts Superman.
darklightmatter@reddit
All well within the capabilities of those with the means and inclination to do so. I don't need to link articles of real human beings that have done far, far, far worse, do I? Mengele type shit? Unit 731 type shit? Tuskegee type shit?
Lifted straight from Mengele's wikipedia page:
He was capable of being so kind to the children, to have them become fond of him, to bring them sugar, to think of small details in their daily lives, and to do things we would genuinely admire ... And then, next to that, ... the crematoria smoke, and these children, tomorrow or in a half-hour, he is going to send them there. Well, that is where the anomaly lay.
So tell me again that you think real people can't be as unfathomably or outlandishly evil as Lex Luthor, if they had the means and motive(i.e a Superman to harrass and the tools/intelligence to harrass him).
Shadow_Edgehog27@reddit
Lex is cartoonishly evil and it’s hilarious, the actor did a fantastic job
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
“Cartoonishly evil” is literally just modern day US politics
GamenatorZ@reddit
I think Superman makes the cut for being more than very kind, i mean he’s putting max effort into saving squirrels
Cs0vesbanat@reddit
What does this even mean?
I liked the movie, but this comment doesn't make sense to me.
SummerDaemon@reddit
I wonder why...
Cs0vesbanat@reddit
Not my native language. They explained it below.
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
Many superhero movies have moved away from campy levels of “doing good for goodness sake” in favor of more gritty or edgy character motivations. For example in the marvel movies very very few characters outside of iron man and only really in the solo iron man movies really acts out purely out of the desire to do good. It mostly is as a function of responding to an existential threat or in a grander war not being there just because they know it to be right. This also kind of is a marvel thing where characters are more personal rather than representing an ideal, but that also is kind of outdated and a poor excuse for what the MCU did to how we perceive heroism.
Argentarius1@reddit
I don't think I've seen characters be explicitly moral and talk about morality like Clark and Lois are in the movie in a long time. They talk about forgiveness and the value of human and animal life and are annoyed at the suggestion that they would be unethical.
I totally expected Lois to include the "off the record" stuff in her article and betray Clark but she just doesn't because its wrong lol. Overall much less cynical and selfish vibe.
light_flowers@reddit
Yeah but it's kind of undercut when Hawk Girl executes Notanyahu and Superman yeets his clone bro into a black hole without ever even considering trying to appeal to the clone's humanity
The movie doesn't sincerely believe in goodness, it purports that it does. But its goodness is so shallow it's staggering. Superman treats a literal Kaiju with more decency and consideration than an actual clone of himself. This is written with the same kind of mentality as people who want to be on the "right side of history" -- they don't care about something being, they care about it having the appearance of being right, which leads to moral contradictions
Yourfavoriteindian@reddit
He wanted to help the kaiju so they could “learn from it” (his own words), and that they could defeat it without killing it. He was against killing because he believed there were better options.
When he fought his clone, this conundrum didnt exist. He was fighting his literal 1:1 clone who was programmed to do nothing but kill him while an apocalyptic event was occurring. There was no way to defeat the clone in a manner which wouldn’t 1) kill Superman himself 2) be quick enough that he could stop the apocalypse.
During that fight, at what moment do you think Superman could have appealed to his humanity? Let’s not forget that he ALREADY tried that earlier (in the baseball stadium), when he told both his clone and the engineer that they didn’t have to do this and could still be good. They did not listen.
Did you people even watch the movie lol
light_flowers@reddit
No, he throws out the "learn from it" line among a list of suggestions for things to do with it without killing it, like keeping it at a zoo, or if none of that was possible then have someone euthanize it humanly. But yes, he was against killing it because there were better options, which is why it's weird that he doesn't seem to hold that sentiment at any other point in the movie
And I would say that learning UM is a clone of him gives a lot of fucking leverage in trying to appeal to his humanity. Superman talks in every single scene in that fight, but not once does he address the clone when he's learned his identity. Superman takes Lex's word for it at face value that the clone was mindless (which we know isn't true because he acts with agency when he exposes Lex's gf). I would say that scene in the tunnel when UM's mask comes off would have been a good place to start, then again when the drone cams are destroyed, and one more final plea just before he throws him into the black hole
The movie doesn't even give Superman a moment of regret or remorse or introspection over it, either. Literally the next thing that happens is the "I'm doing important stuff" joke.
It did not even occur to James Gunn that Superman would try to do that any point, and him being the genetic basis for UM gives him a lot of potential ways to try and turn him against Luthor that his attempt in the baseball field didn't have. But Superman in the comics and cartoons always tries to appeal to the humanity in Bizarro. He never writes him off as a fucked up clone, and killing him is a last resort. Superman always tries to appeal to the humanity of his opponents first, and usually repeatedly, and if he has to do something like throw them into a black hole of certain death, it tends to weigh on his conscience.
I watched the same movie you did, the main difference is that I applied a slight amount of critical thinking to it
O-03-03@reddit
If UM is Superman's clone, and this Supes has been a hero for about 3 years now and knows of extraterrestrial forces and whatnot, I'm inclined to believe he knew UM would survive the black hole because he's probably had time to test the limits of his own durability. Even so, it is true he didn't try to reason with him, but UM even without Luthor's guidance, paired with that Supes wasn't at his 100%, was still his powered equal at the time they fought if not slightly stronger, and the world was kinda on the verge of collapse so mourning over his prospective clone brother probably isn't on the bucket list of big blue at that point in time, so there's that I guess.
I think you're misunderstanding the kind of Superman James Gunn wanted to portray, this Supes as much as he is the symbol of hope, he's also a very human Superman, who wants to do good yes, but who won't have the right answers 100% of the time. He values all the things he says he does, but his beliefs in his ideals do make him a bit shortsighted in the way people could perceive him, but that's also what makes him so endearing, he doesn't have any hidden agendas or anything, what you see is what you get . His powers only grant him the ability to see the world he believes in come true a bit or a lot more than the average person, but he's still just one man.
light_flowers@reddit
That's writing his movie for him, as it's said, because none of that was conveyed in the actual film (about the black hole I mean). It's actually implied the opposite is true: Superman seemed to believe he would die if he fell into the black hole.
My biggest issue with Gunn's Superman is that he's about as intelligent as a sack of bricks, which is the most common error writers make when they adapt the character. Superman is smarter than Lex Luthor, which is how he almost always eventually wins. But this movie's idea of "brain over brawn" is him yeeting his clone combatant into a black hole without even a glimmer of recognition that UM might have actually been sapient.
We got a Superman with an average at best intelligence (and that's being generous) whose moral code is full of contradictions and doesn't realize "oh you know maybe goodness is endemic rather than something I should get from a recording of my parents that I never met, and also maybe my super loving earth parents were a good set of role models" until he's in his thirties.
The fact that he handles situations the same way as your average, terminally online Reddit midwit would (I'm aware of the irony of this statement) should tell you everything you need to know
DangerDamage@reddit
I agree with your points, but I bet Ultraman lived. Definitely could see it being revisited down the line as he got sent to an evil universe where the JL are evil aka how he's typically introduced in every other Ultraman media appearance.
Doesn't change that Supes probably thought it was death and did it anyway.
secondcondary@reddit
Yeah bro but they're the bad guys so it's fine
light_flowers@reddit
That's kind of as deep as the fans of this movie have thought about it lmao
secondcondary@reddit
My guy, morality ain't absolute. Superman threw that bitch into a black hole because he was a mindless, stronger clone controlled by his biggest enemy that was 100% going to murder him. Hawk girl is a baddie so she gets a pass on killing Israel guy
light_flowers@reddit
Not gonna lie, I thought you were being facetious. I didn't realize that was actually your defense of the movie, which makes this whole interaction super ironic
B4rr0th@reddit
In what world is sparing the president waging war against villagers armed with sticks "good" or moral?
Also it was the clone or the whole world in that situation.
Good doesnt mean 0 kills ever and I actually liked that aspect of the movie, trying to appeal to emotion with a clone that might not have even been sentient when there's a black whole eating earth would have been ridiculous.
light_flowers@reddit
You know which version of Superman is in favor of killing world leaders without letting their countries try them for their crimes? The Injustice one.
But they depicted Boravia as cartoonishly evil. Lois has that line about both sides having blood on their hands but not only do they never explore that, they depict the Jorhanpur (can't remember how it's spelled) people as simple, peaceful oppressed persons, straight up contradicting the earlier implication that it was two militant factions going at it.
Superman doesn't even feel bad about killing the clone. The next shot in the movie is a joke about how he's doing "important stuff." That isn't morally nuanced, it's morally bankrupt -- it is not an examination of morality in the slightest, it's the pretense of morality. Superman being placed in impossible positions and still somehow making the morally righteous choice despite the odds is one of his best qualities, and at this point Snyder and Gunn have both supremely fucked that up.
If you want a good example of how a superhero should handle that sort of dilemma, look no further than the Goblin's dilemma in the first Spider-Man movie. Peter is given an impossible choice, and instead of compromising his morals, he does something that Goblin didn't think he could do and saves both MJ and the children. Then, even after that, he still tries to reach Goblin's humanity because he doesn't want to have to kill him, which ultimately leads to Osborne dying by his own hand.
I never said good equals zero kills ever, but I think the context of how those deaths happen is what makes the difference. Superman doesn't even try to find an alternative way of dealing with UM, and he doesn't appear to feel bad for having to compromise his own moral code to save the planet
Argentarius1@reddit
You might be on to something with this
Yourfavoriteindian@reddit
No he isn’t lol
Rydagod1@reddit
I’m a certified capeshit hater and I loved this movie. Weird because I hate Gunn a bit for making Guardians of the galaxy humor and ruining most popular movies.
phoenix_nz@reddit
Bruh. The entire superman movie was GOTG humor. It was an OK movie, but it was also so undeniably James Gunn.
Akjn435@reddit
Totally agree. I loved Guardians of the Galaxy, and I always thought the comedy fit well for those movies. I did find myself rolling my eyes a number of times during this movie and getting a little distracted. It definitely had lots of cheesey moments and lines. I heard people praising this movie and tbh it just felt like a regular marvel movie to me, nothing too special. I don't blame DC for going this route, but I think it would have hit better 5 or 10 years ago before the marvel formula felt played out.
I actually enjoyed the Fantastic 4 movie more, it was also super cheesey (probably even moreso), but I thought it was endearing with a fun setting and I liked focusing in on Mr. Fantastic and his relationships. Everything felt cohesive which I'm not sure I felt the same with superman.
bigbasseater@reddit
I saw an other commenter with this opinion, none of the jokes or dialogue seemed distracting to me or out of place, please name an example. Outside of Guy Gardner scenes and Jimmy Olsen scenes I can’t even think of any jokes like that.
phoenix_nz@reddit
"Outside of the entire on-screen time of two supporting characters, name one other time it was was clear James Gunn directed the movie"
So yeah, ignoring Guy letting Metamorpho into the JG because he liked the name on an offhanded comment, ill give you 3 other examples of James Gunn's style being all over this movie in the same way his style is all over GOTG:
bigbasseater@reddit
Yes name some examples of overt jokes aside from 2 characters who are obvious comic relief, it’s not a bs question to ask for examples about something a person is bitching about.
Your second point isn’t a joke or out of place dialogue it’s just something that makes you mad.
I also don’t think the Krypto scenes were jarring or disruptive to the film. It’s fine you didn’t find him funny, but like that’s not out of place dialogue or some dumb pun pulling you out.
To your third point, I honestly had to think really hard who 4 was and what Gary meant, and if that’s scene that ruined the movie for you and stuck with you that long, I think you may just not be a fan of the movie which is fine
phoenix_nz@reddit
Your reading comprehension fucking sucks dude. When did I say any of these "ruined" the movie for me??????
Rydagod1@reddit
I strongly disagree. Gotg and marvel in general is stuffed with distracting snarky dialogue. This movie had none afaik
Retrosow@reddit
"Dc should just let Gunn do whatever tf he wants" my brother in god, Gunn is the president of the DC reality movies division
Rydagod1@reddit
I know. But I meant they shouldn’t restrain him in any way.
luvs2hugs@reddit
Not to mention this movie was anti tiny hats too, so pretty based too.
Hello-_-Kitty@reddit
whoever hates on this movie has israels cock in their mouth
pidgeot-@reddit
What does this have to do with Israel? Seriously does the entire world revolve around Palestine?
YogurtThen@reddit
I mean there’s an entire subplot of superman fighting for a country who happens to be similar to Palestine, being invaded by a country who happens to be like Israel, ran a man who is a clear stand in for Netenyahu. It’s pretty relevant to conversations around the movie
pidgeot-@reddit
It seemed more like Russia and Ukraine to me
YogurtThen@reddit
I mean Jarganpur is in a desert like region, has a problematic culture that superman pushes back agaisnt saying that doesn’t mean they should be killed, and when we see them they’re compromised of kids and elderly people at a fenced border.
Borovia on the other hand is a close ally of the US, is being given weapons by big US companies, and is brutal in its invasion of this territory, soldiers aiming they’re guns at kids.
Lex also made a deal to split the Jarhanpur with the Boravians. Very much like Trump wanting to develop land in Gaza with golden statues of himself.
It is infinitely more similar the Palestinian genocide than the invasion of Ukraine
cumble_bumble@reddit
Also it has Nathan Fillion as Guy Gardner, giving the movie a 7/10 floor at the very least
entitledfanman@reddit
Nathan Fillion is a national treasure, and he's not even American.
sanesociopath@reddit
... he's not?
Don't tell me he's another one of those britts who have a great American accent and thats all we hear them use over here.
NFSKaze@reddit
Naw he's Canadian, the best kind of actor
sanesociopath@reddit
Oh yeah, those exist.
We'll formally make you guys American eventually
Moonpaw@reddit
That’s really not funny anymore after the Mandarin Moron started talking about forcibly annexing them. God he ruins everything. I can’t even sing “Blame Canada” anymore.
soiboi64@reddit
https://i.redd.it/72aiowe9o9lf1.gif
entitledfanman@reddit
They also gave us Drake so at best it balances out.
Piligrim555@reddit
They also gave us Ryan Gosling and Ryan George so I’d argue it’s still a net positive.
Moonpaw@reddit
I see your Pair of Ryans and raise you one Bieber.
NFSKaze@reddit
If you subscribe to the theory that Drake is just acting like a rapper, he is doing one of his greatest performances of all time...up until the Kendrick beef, now it's just sad
Xenosaiyan7@reddit
"How many black features until you finally feel like you're black enough?"
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
The fact that I thought of the fan casting of nathan fillion as nathan drake before the tom holland uncharted movie came out made me so sad
takecare60@reddit
Disgusting
soiboi64@reddit
takecare60@reddit
I forgot I was in greetext which is full of redditors, it's a joke you fucking morons
kaninkanon@reddit
Can only Canadians join the green lantern corp?
Lukthar123@reddit
Nicholas Cage stole him?
Petorian343@reddit
Lord_Chromosome@reddit
Honestly I thought he was little too old to play the role. Don’t get me wrong, I love Nathan Fillion, but he had so much makeup to age him down it was just distracting.
MetalUpstairs@reddit
Based, I loved him in Castle
SquelchMuffins@reddit
could eat soup straight outta that bowl cut if you flipped Guy upside down
PeakHippocrazy@reddit
MoS was better 🤷
SummerDaemon@reddit
Sorry, I prefer my Supermen not to snap their villain's necks and have make-out sessions above ground zero. Call me old fashion.
Basic-Flamingo6962@reddit
It felt edgy honestly, not really Superman but just some cool but edgy movie that has Superman
E1visShotJFK@reddit
"Erm... ACTUALLY, it didn't make a billion dollars so ACTUALLY, it was a flop and #RestoreTheSnyderVerse ☝🤓
Mrmac1003@reddit
Barely made a profit despite it's insane and pathetic marketing.
JumpySimple7793@reddit
If making north of $250 million is "barely" a profit for you you must be one hell of a businessman
untakenu@reddit
There were several points in the film that I knew a marvel writer was tearing their hair out because the tension wasn't ruined with some Joss Whedon milennial humour.
JumpySimple7793@reddit
I especially liked how they went the other way with this sometimes
The bit where Lois says "he's just a dog", Clark replies "yeah and not a very good one" could have just been a punchline and they moved on but Clark adds "but he's alone, and he's probably scared" and it just hit me so hard because I wasn't expecting an actual emotional line there
Maybe I'm just being too much of a fan boy but it felt like such a brilliant reversal of the typical serious moment -> joke method
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
Yeah, like Love and Thunder, where that super intense Gorr scene on the dark planet was undercut by Thor saying “erm he’s right behind me, isn’t he?” A line that has most definitely been said in Marvel movies outside of the fucking parody.
Turok7777@reddit
The movie had jokes like every 3 minutes, but sure.
Mr-Stuff-Doer@reddit
Honestly the Krypto jokes were worse than most Marvel humor. It’s the same joke every time, it happens like 9 separate times, and it goes for like a full minute each time.
ThexanR@reddit
The movie had jokes when they fit. There’s a whole 12 minute scene where Lois questions and interviews Superman’s intentions about stopping foreign powers from entering war which is actually an interesting concept for super heroes.
Astrian@reddit
I don’t know about you, but something about a Superman movie having lame corny jokes worked for me. Superman is a corny ass superhero and I enjoyed the shit out of it
MyBeansArentWorking@reddit
The term "Marvel humor" has really corroded people's brains into thinking any and all levity in a film was personally jammed in their by Joss Whedon himself. Not all the jokes in Superman landed but they're perfectly in touch with the kind of humor you'd get from a typical Superman comic
Kirbyintron@reddit
Yeah I actually liked it but it would’ve been significantly better if it just shut the fuck up from time to time
Mrmac1003@reddit
What are you talking about? The movie had lame ass corny humor lmao the shills are hilarious
FoxCQC@reddit
Has MGS pfp can't handle corny humor
ThexanR@reddit
MGS “fans” don’t play the game. They just watch TikToks followed by Duran Duran playing
FoxCQC@reddit
I played them TwT. Is this Duran Duran the band playing or some streamer?
ThexanR@reddit
I meant the guy above you!
FoxCQC@reddit
Vexitar@reddit
Duran Duran's song Invisible has been appropriated by the Metal Gear community.
Mrmac1003@reddit
I view games as childish entertainment and I like these games because of how fun is it as a time pass.
I didn't want to see a movie where a grown ass man was screaming every minute like a bitch.
Astrian@reddit
In the nicest way possible, Superman is a lame ass corny superhero. I don’t see the problem
untakenu@reddit
That's not what I said.
RocketRaccoen@reddit
You're right! It was ruined by Krypto doing absolute dumbass dog things because that's millennial humour as well. Tension ruined by humour was THE key thing in Guardians of the Galaxy and basically coined by Gunn himself. Saying Superman is wildly different from those movies is delusional. Same characters, same plot points and same dumb humour.
No I'm not a Snyderbot. Both Snyder and Gunn are stuck-up-their-own-ass hacks.
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
generational hater i respect it
CHUD_Adams@reddit
He's got a point. The moment I saw the goddamm dog I knew I got got by James Gunn. The second deal breaker for me was Luthor audibly controling the clone instead of, you know, just sending messages telepathically or something less cringy. A1! A! A1! A1! is such an embarrassing moment. It was like they were playing Battleship.
antpile11@reddit
Or.... just train the clone on Superman's moves rather than train themselves only to have to relay them.
Just the latency introduced of issuing and executing commands during a fight would make it infeasible.
Senator_Buttholeface@reddit
we're about to get C34'ed by the James Gunn tribe. Good thing my quirky but unreasonably powerful pet will stop the downvotes
disposableaccount848@reddit
I absolutely enjoyed this movie and you're absolutely correct, it's essentially a Marvel movie but with Superman.
jonatna@reddit
What light-hearted superhero movie do you think is good? This isn't a gotcha and I'm not gonna be like "oh but you think this movie is good, what a loser!" I'm curious because I found the second guardians movie to be a good balance. I also really enjoyed superman because it felt unserious but I was still invested in the characters.
RocketRaccoen@reddit
I think Fantastic Four (2025) was magnificent, Ant-Man was great too. Doctor Strange film got so elevated by Cumberbatch being really good at cynical humour.
light_flowers@reddit
Doctor Strange is one of the most underrated superhero movies IMO
karateema@reddit
BalefulRemedy@reddit
Based
Saket666@reddit
Agreed with all except lex. Wish they would do a jla type lex luthor. Dude was a Chad.
eXclurel@reddit
Counterpoint: James Gunn knows how to turn C-list and even B-list heroes into household names but he doesn't really know how to use A-list heroes.
NegativeMammoth2137@reddit
That’s because unlike most Marvel writers he actually reads comic books and is passionate about them
matter_z@reddit
Maybe because the mass audience doesn't know who those C-listers are so he have more creative room to play with?
Guilty-Effort7727@reddit
Which is fair. Writing a really good story about superman must be dificult
Ashbeau94@reddit
Honestly just sick of superhero movies in general. They're all pretty much the same and don't really do anything new anymore. In all fairness though with how many we've gotten since 2008 alone it was bound to happen eventually
Phenzo2198@reddit
I thought the part where he grabs the Netanyahu insert and flies him in the air, before slamming him on the ground screaming "PALESTINE! USS LIBERTY!" Was a little on the nose for my taste.
UnfriskyDingo@reddit
The only thing I wish was different is that Lex Luther was black. I watched that 90s Justice League cartoon so for me Lex Luther is supposed to be a buff well dressed black man.
SummerDaemon@reddit
The Clancy Brown version? Wasn't he based off Telly Savalas? So he was supposed to be sort of Greek?
olechiefwoodenhead@reddit
Michael Clarke Duncan would have been terrific
ZAP_Riptide@reddit
Gunn never jams
NighthawK1911@reddit
It was great but people are just tired of superhero movies.
No matter how good your Filet Mignon is, if you already downed like 5 helpings of mediocre potato salad you're still gonna have a hard time eating it.
ballsmigue@reddit
People are sick of Marvel movies.
Because thats really the only superhero movies there have been. The formula is so predictable now.
DC? DC and gunns style is new
SharkoftheStreets@reddit
I really liked the new Fantastic 4.
ballsmigue@reddit
You are in the minority
Vexitar@reddit
Are they? I've heard only positive reviews from my peers; I rather liked it as well.
TreeGuy521@reddit
What if you just don't eat the potato salad
MessmerEyesMe@reddit
You already ate the salad, you didn't know the steak was coming
TreeGuy521@reddit
No I just don't like potato salad I'm not gonna eat it if I don't want to
Vexitar@reddit
Real. Potato salad is ass.
GHhost25@reddit
I ate just a small portion of the potato salad and I thought it was mediocre so I stayed away from it mostly, I have room for steak.
xD3I@reddit
That's one of the worst and stupidest analogies I've ever read, good job
Zermist@reddit
How is it a bad analogy? You get sick of boring bland movies of a certain genre, so when a good one comes around in that genre you can’t appreciate it
Friedrichs_Simp@reddit
Because the filet mignon is analogous to a different genre entirely. If you watch too many mediocre movies of a certain genre and get tired of it which ruins the next movie in that genre despite how good it is, wouldn’t the proper analogy be eating 5 mediocre potato salads, which makes you get turned off by the 6th no matter how much tastier or better looking it is? The mignon here would be a change of pace. You are objectively not consuming the same meal. It’s completely different. So someone who’s tired of potato salads would much rather have the filet mignon because it’s a breath of fresh air. Someone who’s burned out on superhero movies would prefer a different genre. We’re not talking about movies in general. We’re talking about getting tired of a specific genre. A specific meal. Not food in general.
Kirbyintron@reddit
Yeah if I were making I’d use pizza. The MCU is like this one pizza place that you’ve been going to constantly for like 15 years at this point. Now you’ve ordered a ton and it’s had different toppings, but it’s all still pizza at the end of the day. And it’s been pretty consistent for the most part until recently, with occasional flashes of brilliance when for example this Jimmy guy was behind the oven.
Now Jimmy has taken over Zach’s parlor (which was never very good, but some people were and are obsessed with it for some reason), and his new product’s pretty good. However at this point you’ve been non stop scarfing down pizza for so long that maybe it’s time to move on to something else?
Friedrichs_Simp@reddit
Yep, that’s significantly better. One problem though
It’s scientifically impossible to get tired of pizza
xD3I@reddit
Me agreeing or disagreeing is irrelevant when discussing the logical fallacy of that analogy, an analogy should be analogue to the topic at hand, an example would be to compare this movie with The Batman and how if it would have come out before the Zack Snyder's films in would have been even more praised, they are analogues since they share the same topic.
In his analogy there's not a clear parallel, a steak is not the same as a potato salad so in that case most people would gladly take the steak, the only reason they would reject it it would be if they were full, which doesn't draw a parallel with the movie here since it did great both critically and financially despite the current state of superhero movies.
Zermist@reddit
Being satiated on food is analogous to being satiated from seeing the same genre repeatedly
xD3I@reddit
He didn't say that tho, and you need to clarify satiated as either full or satisfied? Because if you meant satisfied, that goes against his analogy
TheNipplerCrippler@reddit
Jesus Christ you are insufferable lmao
xD3I@reddit
You are the one who asked, bozo
TheNipplerCrippler@reddit
Do you think everyone on the internet is the same person? Look at the little name next to the picture and try again.
AlvisBackslash@reddit
That analogy would make sense if someone was sitting in a theater watching every superhero movie in a marathon sitting. Otherwise it’s pretty shit. Better comparison is if you ate mediocre potato salads 5 days in a row, a filet mignon would be the absolute most amazing thing to eat after 5 days of mediocre.
NibPlayz@reddit
I think a better analogy would be you had mediocre potato salad 5 days in a row, there’s a real good looking potato salad today. You might be a little wary now to eat it though, you really got turned off by the recent potato salads.
Filet Mignon would be like a 10/10 of another genre, and makes you never want to try a potato salad again
AlvisBackslash@reddit
Is DC the restaurant next door that hired your favorite chef?
AzorJonhai@reddit
It’s a great analogy what do you mean
gianmk@reddit
i am tired asf of superheroes movies, i still enjoy superman. I wont touch marvel shits like thunderbolt tho.
SopranosBluRayBoxSet@reddit
Honestly, as someone with severe MCU fatigue since Endgame, I watched Thunderbolts on an aeroplane the other day and enjoyed it a fair bit. Was an interesting departure from the usual slop
trenlr911@reddit
The Boys came it at the peak of the MCU and proved that it’s not a problem with superheroes. The problem is the insanely stale formula used to make every superhero movie in the last decade. These movies need more of a spin than “a bunch of universes are connected and also yours is in danger”
Smoke_Santa@reddit
you should kill y**r s*lf (in game) for making this fuckass analogy
WazuufTheKrusher@reddit
This is the best analogy i have heard don’t let the replies bring you down king
TheBlueEmerald1@reddit
People are tired of bad superhero movies.
sovereign666@reddit
many of us are straight up tired of super hero anything
TheBlueEmerald1@reddit
Many of us are straight up tired of anything
sovereign666@reddit
People are just fatigued with super hero movies. Its ok if you like them, but dont get upset over it.
TheBlueEmerald1@reddit
I was joking with the second comment.
Stonecold82@reddit
The movie was crap.
SquelchMuffins@reddit
SummerDaemon@reddit
lol
Old-Implement-6252@reddit
I just liked seeing Superman properly characterized for once.
YourAverageRedditter@reddit
He needed this movie to help undo the damage Snyder and Injustice have done to his perception
Kaikeno@reddit
Snyderbros in shambles
SummerDaemon@reddit
Completely, lol
HastoBeAThrowaway0@reddit
Hated how they made Lex into a whiny middle school kid with angst. He did look the part though.
entitledfanman@reddit
That's the core of Lex's character though. No matter how good he has it, it's never good enough due to Superman's mere existence. It's inherently whiny and angst, his plots against Superman are essentially Lex throwing a tantrum because he can't be the "best" so long as Superman exists.
HastoBeAThrowaway0@reddit
He's cool calm and collected untill he gets beaten by superman at the end. Lex is not a whiny bitch throughout the story, that's just makes him weak. He already doesn't have superpowers, he doesn't need to be made look weaker. That's why he's always portrayed as calm and confident in the comics and most shows. He's supposed to be a badaas not act like a child.
entitledfanman@reddit
Im pretty sure youre thinking of the 90's onwards Lex Luthor that's a suave and charismatic machieavalian type figure. That's my image of Lex too since im a product of the 90's/2000's, but thats not who Lex traditionally was, and even with the modern character design you see his whiny personality more in modern content that is calling back the Golden Age of comics.
PreciousBasketcase@reddit
Thank you for saying this!
vladastine@reddit
Ohhh thank you for explaining this! That explains a lot, I was wondering why Lex wasn't the character I remember from the cartoons. But that makes way more sense if it's an older interpretation of the character.
entitledfanman@reddit
Yeah if you watch the classic Superman movies from the 80's or go all the way back to the Super Friends cartoons, you do not get a suave and collected Lex lol.
MengaMango@reddit
I kinda agree, but that still is not on par with Lex's character. I'm not too deep into comics but I love the DC animated films and shows, and. Lex as immature and resentful as he his, still was never like this.
It just seems like Gunn wanted to do the High Evolutionary again.
Splatfan1@reddit
people with that level of money rarely mature past the age of 12 so it makes sense
Opheodrys97@reddit
But you don't understand. Lex Luthor stole fourty cakes. Fourty. Cakes.
TourSignificant1335@reddit
Something something Lex Luthor adaptations are a representation of people's biggest fear of corporates. Makes sense that this Luthor is a whiny tech bro
Candy_rover@reddit
I guess I was spoiled by JLA and Smallville Lex, always imagined him a douche, yeah, but also kind of charming smartass, like when he gave a really inspiring speech to Amazo about immortality and all that, or in "All star superman", when he got superpowers and just took a moment to embrace the knowledge he acquired. Also Smallville frenemies energy they had with Clark was like the best thing in whole series, Lex might be one of my best favorite characters. Lex here is smart and evil and intimidating, yes, that's out of question, but he just despises superman, like he's just a very evil Jeff Bezos. I mean it doesn't make the movie worse, I really liked it and David Corenswet (and it's always a delight to see my man Nathan Fillion), comic fans might have a better idea of what Lex should be like, but he and supes seem to lack some kind of chemistry, that would make their interaction more engaging.
teemoismyson@reddit
Isnt that what he is
Opening_Newspaper_34@reddit
The moment I saw Krypto in the trailer I was completely out of seeing this and the comments here generally seem to support my decision
Taking super hero films backwards to when comics were supposed to be for small children
Fummy@reddit
An Indian posted this
DragonFox27@reddit
Let Luthor finally felt like a deranged, calm psychopath who was 100% confident in every microdecision he made. Nicholas Hoult knocked it out of the park and honestly, the movie overall is one of my favourite superhero movies.
senbonkagetora@reddit
Im glad yall liked it. I was a fan of a lot of things in the movie but not the movie its self. Im genuinely hoping that we keep the same style just with more faithful charactizations.
I loved that it was brighter and we could actuall SEE at night and in the pocket dimension, loved the different monsters and the finale crisis' stakes. I do wish they had superman take care of the invasion while JG held it down till he returned. I did enjoy the brief scenes we got with GG including the potential foreshadowing with him.
Did not like the origin story change that came halfway through the movie. Especially since he said we dont need to see another origin story.... I mean we kinda di at least the part you are gonna change lol.
Both superman and lex were too emotionally animated. Especially since they were "established"
Superman grew up learning to control his emotions and reactions because they could be dangerous. If he looked angry it was always because shit is going down. In this one he either looked sad or pissed most of the movie.
Lex was too pumped and excited. Lex bottles his emotions to "control" them, retains charisma until his plans fail. Then he loses his shit. This lex seemed like he was 1 step from crash out in all but 4 scenes. That being said, those 4 scenes sold me on the actor for being lex. Dude fucking nailed it when he had the chance, so i took it more like a deadpool situation.
Hawk Girl could have been black canary with falcon wings for how much of her lines were "scream into the camera"
Krypto... Was not the krypto i grew up with, he was Gunn's dog with super powers. For me Krypto was the white lab version of Superman. Idc that he wasnt a lab, but he was not even close to the Krypto i grew up with. Hell Superpets did a better version of Krypto than this movie did. Plus they got rid of Streaky for her pet :( (hopefully it is just for now)
The ending sequence really frustrated me because it seemed like it was against one of Superman's core themes. He was the last son and hope of Krypton, while also being the son of of the Kent's. The duality of both, is important to him, and to forsake one in favor of the other unbalances him.
Since lex didnt tamper with it, im hoping Zod did since the shit his parents were saying was more like Zod than anything.
We wanted a brighter more hopeful movie... Which is why supergirl is a drunk, we are only told superman is too trusting, and one of the guiding and shining beacons of superman turns out to be imperialistic and tyrannical as fuck.
NorthKoreanKnuckles@reddit
And... there is "that" scene
squatOpotamus@reddit
Movie was terrible though
The_Meemeli@reddit
If you think this was terrible, then you haven't seen a single truly terrible movie.
squatOpotamus@reddit
i think i saw the same movie 3 times in theaters 10 years ago. its tired at this point.
HailToTheKingslayer@reddit
Each to their own. I thought it was great.
j0shman@reddit
Yeah I isn't enjoy it, felt like I was halfway through a TV drama and was supposed to know who everyone was and their motivations. Lex was a great villain though.
Ahhhron@reddit
way too long and too much talking
THe_PrO3@reddit
This movie was so FUCKING good
IgotAseaView@reddit
Superdickriderman
benbwe@reddit
As if Snyder Bros don’t gargle his balls over literally anything and everything lmao
LordZedek@reddit
This is like two birds arguing about who will fall harder, while they're tangled in a death spiral.
You can both be insufferable dickriders, the other person's commitment to dickriding doesn't diminish yours
Allesmoeglichee@reddit
It felt like satire
Dripht_wood@reddit
“I still have enough memory retention”
Are you ESL? If so I apologize, but this to me reads as passive aggression otherwise
JynFlyn@reddit
I’ll be honest, I thought the movie was pretty average. I feel like people are just starved for these themes after all the aforementioned cynicism and quirkiness. I will say it does a good job of incorporating the themes into a solid narrative. Unlike other attempts at shoehorning positive modern ideas into media cough cough lady ghostbusters cough cough
Shaponja@reddit
Lex knocking that pencil mug twice was comic book level evil lol
PomegranateHot9916@reddit
you're not gonna make me watch a "superman" movie
ncopp@reddit
The James Gunn special. I had never heard of the Guardians of the Galaxy until his movies. Now they're beloved.
whyUdoAnythingAtAll@reddit
Well I liked man of steel and dawn of justice more serious tone
Skoziss@reddit
I have no idea how people like this movie. It was just drek
UnfriskyDingo@reddit
I really enjoyed the movie and I never even saw superhero movies much. The dark knight trilogy, the iron man trilogy, and whatever the first avengers movie was. Still haven't seen the one with Thanos. Point being i don't watch superhero movies and I thought it was a good, wholesome movie. The dog was my favorite part.
WantsToDieBadly@reddit
Its an ok movie but a very safe one. Personally im a bit bored of Lex Luthor in supes movies, we had him in the last one.
TheSonjuro@reddit
🤡
No-Play2726@reddit
I genuinely think it's the best Superman movie to date.
DoubleSpook@reddit
Movie is boring at best.
HiTekLoLyfe@reddit
This movie was so good I don’t give a fuck. Guy Gardner, Mr Terrific and Metamorpho all in a well paced and entertaining Superman movie, I’ll take it any day. Fuck the haters.
Crzy710@reddit
Why would op say dc doesnt deserve good movies? Wtf bro
_Caspar_@reddit
Why doesn’t dc deserve this level of quality?
DarkChocoTruffleCake@reddit
It was a 5-5.5 at best
Splatfan1@reddit
>be r/greentext redditor
>share opinion on the internet
>others share their opinion of disagreement by downvoting
>cry about how different opinions arent allowed by crying about different opinions existing
do you think before you speak?
CombinationCrazy1719@reddit
What's a 5.6 movie to you?
Hello-_-Kitty@reddit
his mom's tape
DarkChocoTruffleCake@reddit
Wolfman
ShortBrownAndUgly@reddit
I didn't care for Lex Luthor's portrayal. Granted I'm not familiar at all with the comic itself. He did bad things sure but he didn't come off as menacing at all. Is that what he's like in the comic?
ComicBookFanatic97@reddit
This is the best live action Superman movie. Nothing else matches it.
SunderedValley@reddit
Fine Gunny boi & DC.
I'll Stop making fun of Hawk Man/Girl appearing in trailers for no reason.
pacoali@reddit
It was alright. I just wish it was a bit better. Superman lite. It was missing something.
Insomniacbychoice90@reddit
First half was shit, the second half was slightly better
DillonTattoos@reddit
gay
oop wants to suck the Gunn
joeysprezza@reddit
Krypto was cool af
_Empty-R_@reddit
despite its positives, man did I not like this.
super_dingus@reddit
I’d like to enjoy this movie, but people on the internet told me not to. I’ll now make that my personality and spend all my free time dedicated to hating something that no one will care about in 6 months
dovah-meme@reddit