NHTSA Investigating 1.4 Million Honda and Acura Vehicles over Engine Failure Reports.
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JDMClassics@reddit
My (tongue-in-cheek) motto used to be "all cars except Toyota and Honda are pieces of shit." Now my motto is just "all cars are pieces of shit." Engine efficiency and complexity have increased massively in the last 15 years or so, and we're seeing some mistakes.
WendysChiliAndPepsi@reddit
Emissions have absolutely ruined cars.
helium_farts@reddit
It's not regulations, it's companies cutting corners to save pennies a part.
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
You can't reason with climate change deniers.
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
The older you get, the more you wonder how many times the climate change alarmists have to be wrong in crying wolf before they feel embarrassed. We've been through "we're going to start an ice age like the day after tomorrow" to "we're going to be flooded like waterworld" to "acid rain will burn all the trees like Blade Runner" to "hole in the ozone will encapsulate the Earth and we'll all be burned to death" to "the world will become a vast desert like Mad Max".
It'd be funny except that these people vote.
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
I'm 43 and it's getting getting worse my entire life. I'm sure there are some alarmists, but the scientific consensus about climate change is still correct.
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
What's crazy is that you're probably reasonably intelligent, and yet still believe that nonsense even when they have been proven wrong over and over and over and over again since the 1970s. Wow... I mean, we know CO2 is a harmless natural element, and that objectively the period in Earth's history in which the highest recorded biomass was ever supported was in the carboniferous period, where levels exceeded 5x times that of today, a number that would be impossible to achieve by man in thousands of years, and would require massive volcanic activity non-stop.
I guess its true, you can't reason with climate alarmists.
SurroundParticular30@reddit
This is not something the species of human or most mammals have ever experienced. The rate of change is the problem.
In the several mass extinction events in the history of the earth, some were caused by global warming due to “sudden” releases of co2, and it only took an increase of 4-5C to cause the cataclysm. Current CO₂ emissions rate is 10-100x faster than those events
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
The most important aspect determining the outcome of any study is who is paying for it, because that's how you get grants. Remember, there is supposedly a "scientific consensus" (not really, but that's another topic) indicating that human men are able to give birth.
The warming trend from 1978–2015 is 0.11 °C per decade, and per the Heritage foundation the predictions were not accurate and have been 43% less than what climate models predict and add that numerous balloon testing shows that the lower troposphere has not warmed, which would happen from human contributions.
The climate is also always changing, and in particular it should always be warming because throughout most of Earth's history it has not been covered in ice and we are still coming out of an ice age. They also point out that since CO2 levels have always been higher every year, and yet there's no consistent year to year increase in temperatures, indicating that varying solar activity is likely a major contributor to surface temperatures.
In fact, there are articles warning that the world may experience global cooling due to reduced solar activity (which could account for the cooling trend between 2012 and 2015), in what they have called the "grand solar minimum". After long periods (around 210 years), sunspot cycles can nearly collapse, leading to dramatic cooling—as seen in the Maunder Minimum (1645–1715) and Dalton Minimum (1790–1830).
In any case, the sky is not falling, and as usual we're going to mock the alarmists in 20 years and somehow they won't be embarrassed about crying wolf, just like has happened time and time again.
SurroundParticular30@reddit
Okay lots to address here. Starting with you’re complaining about funding sources and then talk about a non published or peer reviewed opinion piece from the Heritage Foundation says. The Heritage Foundation is a political think tank with direct funding from the fossil fuel industry.
The peer reviewed research says otherwise. Most climate models even from the 70s have performed fantastically. This study is self funded. Decade old models are rigorously tested and validated with new and old data. Models of historical data is continuously supported by new sources of proxy data. Every year
As for “determining the outcome of any study is who is paying for it” that idea doesn’t really hold up does it?
Richard Muller, funded by Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, was a climate skeptic. He and 12 other skeptics were paid by fossil fuel companies, but actually found evidence climate change was real
In 2011, he stated that “following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I’m now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.”
If you’re looking for an example of the opposite, a climate scientist who believed in anthropogenic climate change, and actually found evidence against it… there isn’t one. Needless to say the fossil fuel industry never funded Muller again.
If there was a way to disprove or dispute AGW, the fossil fuel industry would fund it and there would be examples of it. But they are more than aware with humanity’s impact
Exxon’s analysis of human induced CO2’s effects on climate from 40 years ago. They’ve always known anthropogenic climate change was a huge problem and their predictions hold up even today
“Consensus” in the sense of climate change simply means there’s no other working hypothesis to compete with the validated theory. Just like in physics. If you can provide a robust alternative theory supported by evidence, climate scientists WILL take it seriously.
But until that happens we should be making decisions based on what we know, because from our current understanding there will be consequences if we don’t.
Not only is the amount of studies that agree with human induced climate change now at 99%, but take a look at the ones that disagree. Anthropogenic climate denial science aren’t just few, they don’t hold up to scientific scrutiny.
Every single one of those analyses had an error—in their assumptions, methodology, or analysis—that, when corrected, brought their results into line with the scientific consensus
There is no cohesive, consistent alternative theory to human-caused global warming. We are most likely responsible for 100% of the warming we have observed.
Our interglacial period is ending, and the warming from that stopped increasing. The Subatlantic age of the Holocene epoch SHOULD be getting colder slowly. Keyword is should based on natural cycles. But they are not outperforming greenhouse gases. The biggest issue is the rate of change. This guy does a great job of explaining Milankovitch cycles and why human induced co2 is disrupting the natural process
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
Can't debate you because all my posts are being deleted by moderator as politics.
SurroundParticular30@reddit
There is a difference between faith and critical thinking based on evidence. Most climate predictions have turned out to be accurate representations of current climate.
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
All my replies are getting censored, wasting too much time.
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SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
Nothing alarmist about facts.
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
Facts aren't facts if they are proven wrong, over and over again, ad nauseum.
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
Facts aren't facts if you cried wolf in 1970 and that prediction was proven wrong. Again in 1980 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 1990 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 2000 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 2010 and prediction was proven wrong.
How many more times do we have to be told "give me money and absolute global power or the sky will fall" when they are proven wrong time and time again?
HuskyPurpleDinosaur@reddit
Facts aren't facts if you cried wolf in 1970 and that prediction was proven wrong. Again in 1980 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 1990 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 2000 and prediction was proven wrong. Again in 2010 and prediction was proven wrong.
How many more times do we have to be told "give me money and absolute global power or the sky will fall" when they are proven wrong time and time again?
Besides, the US and EU are plenty clean, the problem children are China and India and pretty much all of South Africa and Latin America, but we only ever complain if the country has white people in it, lol!
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SurroundParticular30@reddit
We stopped using the chemicals that were increasing the hole in the ozone through worldwide collaboration and regulation. We are trying to do the same with climate change
Acid rain was essentially solved because governments listened to scientists and reduced emissions of NOx and SOx gases through legislation
Global warming can still make cold events happen. Accelerated warming of the Arctic disturbs the circular pattern of winds known as the polar vortex.
Al Gore never said anything like that nor is he a climate scientist
Most climate predictions have turned out to be accurate representations of current climate.
Drone30389@reddit
How the fuck does emission regulations cause improperly manufactured crankshafts and connecting rods?
wayvywayvy@reddit
The VCM is specifically designed to shut off certain cylinders for better fuel economy during certain driving conditions (highway, for example)
Active cylinders run hot; deactivated ones run much cooler. The temperature swing between active/inactive banks stresses the engine block and heads. That heat cycling accelerates wear and causes localized distortion (out-of-round cylinders, oil control ring sticking, etc.). Since inactive cylinders aren’t firing, fuel isn’t washing oil residues away. Oil control rings in those cylinders are more prone to coking (burnt-on deposits). Over time, the rings stick, reducing their ability to scrape oil back down into the crankcase. Once rings stick, oil seeps into the combustion chamber when the cylinder re-activates. Burned oil fouls plugs, coats valves, and increases emissions. This is why many VCM-equipped Hondas have plug fouling and catalytic converter issues well before 150k miles.
Also, shutting off cylinders upsets balance but Honda uses active engine mounts and ANC to mask it. Those systems can fail, leading to roughness. As oil fouls plugs, you see misfire-related CELs (often on cylinders that were frequently deactivated). Then there’s just long-term wear: oil starvation, sludge formation, and deposits on pistons/cylinder walls accelerate mechanical degradation.
WendysChiliAndPepsi@reddit
In this particular case, no. But there are countless examples with issues with cylinder deactivation, issues with Ecoboosts from Ford, issues with the new Toyota power plants now that they had to axe the NA V8 and V6.
B0NES_RDT@reddit
That's just incompetence though. The only thing regulations would cause is weaker but more efficient engines. Toyota is also not as reliable as they were compared to the early 2000s, Toyota is complacent now that many Japanese manufacturers outdo Toyota...and I'm not talking about Honda either
SoloPorUnBeso@reddit
Emissions regulations were and are necessary. QC needs to be better.
WordWithinTheWord@reddit
This is really how it seems to be shaking out lol
manesag@reddit
For those who don’t want to click:
all equipped with Honda's 3.5-liter V-6.
BroccoliVendetta@reddit
My family has owned 7 Hondas in the last 25 years, the only one to ever have serious recurring issues was the 2015 Pilot, it had that 3.5 V6.
manesag@reddit
I just sold my civic this weekend and the main reason was the AC was leaking, that 1.5T though was working fine
BTTWchungus@reddit
A/C condenser is basically a known failure point on 10th gen Civics
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
Anything smaller than odyssey/pilot/Ridgeline uses the same AC set up. Our 19 accord has the issue. I'm hoping for a fix.
seekinggothgf@reddit
There is a service bulletin out. I got it fixed for free a few years ago
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
Yeah we got it fixed. We are on our third one.
seekinggothgf@reddit
Jeez how many miles?
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
51k
Nothing crazy. It's just damn annoying. The dealers continued fix is a new AC unit.
69generic-username69@reddit
Working for a Honda dealer while the 10th-Gen Civic was new, they were cracking condensers before leaving the lot as a new-car
Deliveries would get delayed cause their brand-new car would have no AC. A friend just got his third this summer on his 2019 civic
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
I'm not surprised about any of this.
Do you know why the condensers were cracking?
seekinggothgf@reddit
There’s a service bulletin on it. I got it fixed for free a couple years ago
manesag@reddit
Oh I know, it and the compressor clutch were replaced by the recall, I think it was the evaporator leaking because I could smell it sometimes
IS-2-OP@reddit
It’s funny cause the earlier J35s r rocks.
BTTWchungus@reddit
Earlier J35s were trash because of VCM
IS-2-OP@reddit
Huh my family growing up put 750K miles on two first gen pilots with no engine issues until one had an improperly installed timing belt guide that failed and caused the belt to snap.
Civilianscum@reddit
Count yourself lucky. I count 6 J35 with solid engines until the transmission blew up. All with under 100k miles. Late 90s to mid 2000s. 2 TL. Accord, Odyssey 2 Pilots
testthrowawayzz@reddit
The engines being investigated still have VCM (although revised). I wonder if it could be a contributing factor?
dumahim@reddit
At least it's easy to disable.
kyonkun_denwa@reddit
2GR gang must be chucking at this right now.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
They’re engine is equally shit lmao
IcySeaweed420@reddit
Yes, yes, we know you hate the 2GR-FE. You make that known each and every single time this engine is mentioned on Reddit.
I mean I'm not surprised, there's always bound to be one. Like some people hate kittens, some people hate cheesecake, and while their feelings might be valid they certainly leave the rest of us at a loss for words.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
Since when exactly?
Your personal feelings don’t take priority over real experience. Clearly you blindly glaze Toyota based off your user flair. Fact is if the J series sucks, the 2GR is an utter piece of shit in comparison.
The cheesecake comparison is also awful since it’s probably one of the most hated cakes out there.
What leaves me at a loss of words is how anyone thinks it’s as good of an engine as people say it is.
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
How exactly does the 2gr suck ass? As far as my 112k mile camry that I drive like it's a supra, no issues at all and no signs of anything wrong with it.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
What year Camry?
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
2019 with the fks and the new 8 speed. I know there's differences with the fe and fks. But I havent heard anything majorly wrong with the other versions of the 2gr maybe besides a water pump on one of em.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
then this doesn’t apply to you. you have a somewhat different engine that’s better in every way with most design flaws fixed.
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
But I'm still curious to see the major design flaws with the fe, fxe, and fse.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
FXE and FSE are both newer and vastly improved “versions” of the FE which suffered from premature water pump failure, rubber oil line bursting, timing chain cover oil leak, bad mpg, and death rattle. Could be more that I’m forgetting.
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
While all of that is true. I dont think those issues would make it a horrible engine. Like most, early versions of engines always have problems. And toyota very much fixed it with the fks. While you couldn't say that with honda potential recall with the j35 engine failure. Not saying the j35 is a horrible engine as its a great engine. But I think you over exaggerate the 2grs problems.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
All of the 2GR issues above are very severe and yet they were never recalled for any of them, barring the exploding rubber oil line. Honda actually gave enough fucks to realize they messed up and recall the engine. Toyota never did.
And I was forgetting the head gasket leak too. That was also common with the 2GR.
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
Saying they dont give a fuck is a bit much tho as they fixed those issues on the later versions. And I dont think the 2016 to 2017 camry with the fe had those issues too. All Im trying to say is your over hating on the 2gr when the j35 has had just as many problems. And some of them are way worse than the 2gr.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
What did the J35 have exactly? Piston ring wear from VCM which is completely avoidable with an OBD tool, and potential engine failure on only direct injection engines specifically. Seems like a lot less to me than the 2GR problems.
Low_Dimension_8895@reddit
Premature connect rod wear was something with the j35. Seems pretty major problem to me. And carbon build up may not be as big of a issue. But a lot of owners of the j35 dont know how combat the carbon build up. But again, your 100% over hating on the 2gr and for what?
Tough_Steak@reddit
VQ gang 🤝 GR gang
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
nah just the VQ gang. apparently Nissan makes better engines than the other two.
Tough_Steak@reddit
CVTs sure, their regular autos have treated me just fine.
Windows-XP-Home-NEW@reddit
Yeah ofc
jca_ftw@reddit
Not the usual failure mode associated with GDI. Basic research shows improperly manufactured crank. That’s a full bottom end rebuild or a new engine. If I were an owner I would just sell the car. Hoping a dealer can do an engine swap or rebuild without causing other problems is naive. Honda has been on a major losing streak with engine problems the last 5-10 years :(
narwhal_breeder@reddit
This is a separate issue than the crank issue - new investigation
Buytoyal@reddit
Good thing us at Acura have had plenty of experience doing bottom end rebuilds
wayvywayvy@reddit
Is it a GDI issue or a VCM issue?
dat_tae@reddit
SAFE
the4ner@reddit
Same, was worried with that headline
Phazushift@reddit
cries in fuel pump issues Would it kill them to make a decent fuel pump?
BTTWchungus@reddit
Yup, looks like it's the direct injection version of our blocks
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Man, 0W-20 is a cancer upon the automotive industry. The J35 is a tank. The engine hasn’t changed much in 20 years except for the recommended oil weight which is when they suddenly started failing for rod bearing failure. Before that, they recommended 5W- or 10W-30 which was much better at actually lubricating when hot.
OprahFtwphrey@reddit
Our 19 MDX takes 5W-20 just like my 05 does.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
Hm. Then I’m going to shift my hypothesis and assume it’s the VCM.
LeonMust@reddit
The new Honda Odysseys use 0W-20 so you're not wrong.
wayvywayvy@reddit
It was the damn VCM that’s why there’s a robust aftermarket for devices to hook into your ECU to specifically turn that off.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
So it turns out the Honda Odyssey does in fact not fuck
mattortz@reddit
safe! glad i went with sienna instead of pilot. very close to getting a pilot of odyssey in those years.
JournalistExpress292@reddit
Mom’s 2016 Pilot, bought new, currently has 38,000 miles no issues. Only time it had to go to the shop was right after we bought it and the spark plugs had to be replaced for some reason.
The only issue is that the entire audio system doesn’t work at the moment, no sound coming out. Also earlier the start/stop failed, it never turned back on but apparently it got fixed.
mr_lab_rat@reddit
Great, I thought that was the reliable engine choice.
kingOofgames@reddit
So Rdxes are safe.
sidbmw1@reddit
2015 tlx not in this? Huh
NCSUGrad2012@reddit
It also seems to be the 9 speed ZF with the 3.5
SeriousMongoose2290@reddit
Nooooooooooo
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
This is why Toyotas are so fuckin expensive used
MW1985NC@reddit
We also have a 2021 4runner, which I could probably sell for what I paid for it or close but there is no way in hell I will ever. On the hunt for a prev gen Tundra now, prices are CRAZY.
MW1985NC@reddit
We have a 2019 Pilot that was not included in the 2023 recall, it has developed a pretty gnarley rod knock (I'm assuming) over the last month on cold start. It has 82K miles, has had about half the oil changes at the dealer and I've done the other half myself, but I use 5w30 instead of the 0w20. I do buy filters and drain plug gaskets at the dealer for those. We are lucky, our oldest is away at school so it's now an "extra" car that we can let sit. Fingers crossed we can get it fixed under recall as we didnt buy the extended warranty, you know, because it's a Honda. We were counting on that legendary reliability. Man if no one can build a car anymore (Honda recalls, New Toyota Tundras disasterous roll put, hell Chevy can't build a small block anymore?!?) leasing is going to become very attractive.
cjdubais@reddit
This has been ongoing for some time.
A large number (couple of hundred thousand?) cars have already been recalled.
I've got a 2016 MDX and have been watching this very carefully as it's not on the current recall list.
Hopefully, NHSTA will force Honda to make good on the issue.
I'm like a lot of folks and was (key word) very Honda loyal.
They haven't given me a reason not to continue, but my fingers are crossed.
There are a goodly number of people with cars with filed engine failures that are outside the open recall notice.
This_Elk_1460@reddit
What's going on with Japanese cars recently? At this rate Mazda is going to be the only one making reliable cars.
B0NES_RDT@reddit
Greed and foreign manufacturing. There are still reliable Japanese cars out there, which funnily enough includes Suzuki, Mitsubishi and ISUZU.
DimensionActual5722@reddit
My last car, a 2020 Odyssey, was the worst car I’ve ever owned. When you close the sliding doors, they would reopen halfway thru closing, and same with the windows. The backup camera would also just cut out out of nowhere. And now this? Honda is not the brand it used to be, and that’s why I won’t own one another one. I drive an XC90 now, and I’m so much happier with the quality and reliability.
xt1nct@reddit
I stopped trusting online and consumer report reliability reports.
The longest cars I owned were Mazda, Hyundai and Ford. Hyundai has been most reliable in 50k miles before it was totaled. Ford pretty good and now sitting at 140k miles. My Mazdaspeed3 was awful, but I trusted the internet and bought another Mazda…..cx-70….im hoping to trigger lemon law because that thing is total garbage and dealer can’t fix it.
Mazda is a trash company. Their customer service doesn’t even respond to emails.
Buy whatever is comfortable except Range Rover lol.
tablepennywad@reddit
CR “might” not be bought out, but their testers are all amateurs. If you read about stuff you are an expert at, they have no idea what they are talking about. Might as well watch a youtube review from a tradwife.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
These every company has something wrong going on. Quality went downhill after covid.
arcticavanger@reddit
My most reliable vehicle was my 13 300 v8 awd. Put almost 100k miles on in 3 years with just basic maintenance and it never skipped a beat.
biggsteve81@reddit
CR rates the 2020 Odyssey as below average reliability and the 2025 as just average. Meanwhile the Kia Carnival rates above average.
thejetssuckbigtime@reddit
We got a 23 odyssey for my wife it’s been solid. Has Honda looked at fixing your car or what did they say?
DimensionActual5722@reddit
I got rid of it almost a year ago. The only thing we ever got from Honda was a recall notice 3 years after the camera cut off for the first time.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
I thought this was going to be for the 1.5t in the Accord, Civic, and CRV. This is still really bad.
Nitrothacat@reddit
There’s noticeable drop in build quality with my 2025 Civic compared to the 2019 I had. It’s a better designed car but the old one never had a single creak, rattle or infotainment issue.
With the new one the dash creaks and pops for the first five minutes the AC is on. I’ve had to remove the driver door panel to fix a rattle and CarPlay audio disconnects for 2-3 seconds randomly every time I drive. Just hit 5k miles.
I love the way it drives but tbh one of the reasons I bought it is because I was expecting a nicely built car. At this point I wish I would’ve just bought an Elantra N if I was going to deal with crap like this.
At least Hondas still have their reliability reputation which gives them strong resale value.
seekinggothgf@reddit
Tbh my 2017 has had rattles and creaks from day 1
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
My 2018 Accord has all the same stuff going on. Apple carplay used to freeze or disconnect randomly.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
That's all cars built during/after COVID. The cost cutting is insane.
Nitrothacat@reddit
Surprisingly our Subaru hasn’t had a single issue yet. It, along with a BMW of all cars are the only two I’ve owned that never had a single problem.
I sold a Ford to get this Honda. Told myself I was done with American cars. At this point it doesn’t seem to matter. They’re all junk, just buy what you like the most and dump it before the warranty is up.
retirednavyguy@reddit
Man, Ford sucks so much. Another recall?!
Oh sorry, reflex reply.
the4ner@reddit
Why would Ford do this?
RGOD007@reddit
🤣
TechBoy--20@reddit
Yikes, this is really bad, especially with the multiple incidents reported. If a recall is issued, I hope Honda pays for the engine replacements or repairs since that would eat into many consumers wallets. If anyone also got hurt, Honda should get sued for these faulty engines endangering peoples’ lives.
nextfilmdirector@reddit
They'll do the math in a boardroom on how much they can be sued for vs. cost of replacing all the impacted engines.
sc0lm00@reddit
We've all seen Fight Club.
nextfilmdirector@reddit
I saw Fight Club 20 years ago so I’m not understanding the immediate reference? But yeah great movie.
random__123456789@reddit
https://youtu.be/SiB8GVMNJkE?feature=shared
nextfilmdirector@reddit
Wow…way too on point 😔 thanks for enlightening …
gimpwiz@reddit
It's funny people quoting it thinking they're writing interesting, unique, or novel thoughts. Hurrrr.
andrewia@reddit
Has any other manufacturer pulled a Kia? Where they get away with a warranty extension and an ECU update to use the knock sensor to listen for abnormal sounds?
ChasedWarrior@reddit
Gotta love that Honda quality
daaukm@reddit
I have a 2018 CRV which needed fuel injectors to be replaced at only 65km.
Turns out it's pretty common for the 1.5L turbo's fuel injectors to be fouled, and since Honda considers them a consumable part, it wasn't under warranty.
On top of issues with the A/C system, I've been kicking myself for not going with a Toyota.
dumahim@reddit
Seems odd this gets attention but the head gasket on the 1.5L engine doesn't? I don't think I've run into a single person mentioning this issue with the V6, but the 1.5 head gasket i hear about almost daily.
ZaheerAlGhul@reddit
I talked to the service advisor when I went in for my fuel pump recall and he said they do head gaskets everyday.
dumahim@reddit
Absolutely believe it. Should have asked mine last time I was in.
andrewia@reddit
Yep, the 1.5t issues are going to bite a lot of owners in the future. Honda and Toyota are coasting on their reputations, and people aren't talking about their issues. (For Toyota, it's the EGR issues on their Dynamic Force engines.) It seems like Hyundai/Kia are the only ones getting more reliable with new engines, since they have no issues known on their SmartStream engines. (Although they have a warranty extension for horns that corrode, which is a weird one.)
JournalistExpress292@reddit
Yea but at the EGR issuss is an easy, somewhat affordable repair and that’s the only thing you have to worry about.
Other manufacturers it’s on a different level and headache
badcoupe@reddit
They should on the 1.5 CRV, civic engine as well, we’ve had a rash of them through with head gasket failures, most at the 80k ish mark but one but at 55ish
CasioOceanusT200@reddit
Anyone who has shopped for used cars lately and looked at any of the impacted models would have seen this coming. So many cars with outstanding recall work showing on the Carfax, probably will be a lot more.
And it's not like anyone loves the idea of having someone doing recall work at a dealership tearing apart the engine for inspection.
Fingers crossed that the manufacturing issues didn't make it all the way to 2025 Odysseys...
Guac_in_my_rarri@reddit
Considering Honda recalled engines from 2022, 23 pilots and I believe Odyssey's to fix some issues with rod bearings. They admitted a manufacturing line was installing them improperly and fixed all engines with the issue. Then further added QC into the lines making those engines, I think we are good.
xt1nct@reddit
Man Hyundai engines suck so much….oh wait Honda engines going after that theta II crown.
ZombieLoveChild@reddit
I wonder if this is gonna extend past the 2020 models or if there was a change that fixed the issue past that year model. My parents have a 2023 Passport with the 3.5, so I'm hoping they're able to avoid any concerns