Report: Microsoft's latest Windows 11 24H2 update breaks SSDs/HDDs, may corrupt your data
Posted by imaginary_num6er@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 370 comments
TsnSettings@reddit
I own a Fantom V8 4TB NVMe SSD that I purchased 2 years ago. The drive’s read and write speeds have dropped to around 40 MB/s, no matter which NVMe slot I use on my motherboard, the speed remains capped at that level.
The drive also does not appear after a cold boot, it only shows up after a restart. This drive uses Phison controller.
For reference, I also have other NVMe drives installed (WD SN850x, WD 770, and Samsung 980 Pro), and all of them are running at their full speeds. None of these use Phison controller.
diceman2037@reddit
tell the vendor they need to release updated firmware that performs trim correctly.
TsnSettings@reddit
I'll do that. I sent them an email regarding this issue a few days ago, still no reply.
sLimbutin@reddit
I had my Corsair MP600 1TB drive fail due to this issue, Today when the news surfaced and it was apparent that the issue was Win 11 update related I decided to give away the drive to a friend still running Windows 10. However after installing the drive, initializing and formatting I started to move her Steam library to the drive, just to see the drive fail when activity stays above 60% for a while, similar behavior as tested. Could it be possible that the update has infected the drive when it was still in my PC which has the update installed? I updated the controller firmware on her PC to the latest but that didnt make a difference.
diceman2037@reddit
no, the drives controller is overheating, make sure the heatsink is attached properly.
MrUnknownCodeGamer@reddit
Mine is bricked too I think. I had my computer shipped to the state I'm working in right now and was using Parsec to connect to the computer. I had no problems at all up until the second I booted the computer off to have it packaged up and shipped. I unboxed my computer and it would not boot besides a black screen and the "VGA" light. Eventually Microcenter said that my mobo and cpu were damaged in shipping. I swapped from 12700k to a B650 AMD 7700X CPU. I would then get the BIOS screen but F12 and DEL would not do anything until I unplugged my SSD, it would instantly unfreeze. IT was almost as if it was trying to boot from my SSD, but got stuck. I grabbed another SSD from Microcenter, installed windows, and it boots fine on the new SSD. Anytime the old SSD is plugged in however, it hangs on the Gigabyte boot logo for eterenity.
Seems like the hardrive is being recognized but can't boot windows. I have a SATA to USB but it doesn't seem to detect it in File Explorer, Disk Part, or Disk Management. Anyone else have other ideas?
diceman2037@reddit
third party defrag tools might fuck up the gpt partition causing most boot loaders to hang.
Tiny-Independent273@reddit
Still holding on to Windows 10 😄
Verite_Rendition@reddit
Mind you, Microsoft screwed up emojis in the July update. So they're still plenty capable of handing out fresh bugs.
But admittedly, they're probably not tinkering with low-level drive functionality of an OS that's in its security-only update phase.
Vegetable-Most-267@reddit
Yo tuve problemas y sigo teniéndolo con una instalación dual después de una actualización de Windows 10, con algunas distros me elimina el arranque el GRUB, están en SSD diferentes no de los caros pero es llamativo que fue de un momento a otro y por momentos se pone solo como booteo prioritario el Windows 10.
Boktai1000@reddit
I believe I'm experiencing the issue with a KLEVV CRAS C910 4TB (K04TBM2SP0-C91) but it doesn't appear to be Phison. Drive is nearly full and large game updates / verify game resources on Steam tends to kill it (like some of the articles mentioned, I do have some pretty large Gacha games like HSR and Wuthering, but it also happened when updating MGS Delta to me).
I tried to investigate the BSOD error dump, but it seems like it's unable to create the file well, since the drive disappears. With my MSI Motherboard, a restart after the BSOD seems to revive it and I don't need to do a full power up/down. I do have the update installed, and watching the situation unfold - I can't be 100% sure that the problem I have is the issue but it really seems to line up with these reports and I didn't have this happening to me before.
Kanderous@reddit
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit?gid=0#gid=0
Innogrit. That's a whole other can of issues if you didn't update firmware. Just search "innogrit issues".
Boktai1000@reddit
Interesting - and thank you for the link and info!
Kanderous@reddit
Upgrade your ssd firmware if you haven't.
Boktai1000@reddit
I was unable to find any downloads that Klevv provides for the C910 unfortunately, and their "SSD Toolbox" software doesn't support it.
Kanderous@reddit
KLEVV moment right there. Cheap, but no support. xd
gnexuser2424@reddit
is it as bad or worse than the E18 issue? I know seagate and kingston patched their issues and I wonder if the innogrit brands patched theirs
Kanderous@reddit
Innogrit issues are separate to this.
Any-Bid-1116@reddit
I am using a WD Blue WDEZAZ HDD, a WD My Passport 25E2 External HDD, and a Seagate Expansion External HDD. Are they all affected?
And has there been an emergency update so far, or are we going to have to wait until Patch Tuesday?
TsnSettings@reddit
I own a Fantom V8 4TB NVMe SSD that I purchased 2 years ago. The drive’s read and write speeds have dropped to around 40 MB/s.
The drive also does not appear after a cold boot, it only shows up after a restart. This drive uses Phison controller.
For reference, I also have other NVMe drives installed (WD SN850x, WD 770, and Samsung 980 Pro), and all of them are running at their full speeds. None of these use Phison controller.
TsnSettings@reddit
I own a Fantom V8 4TB NVMe SSD that I purchased 2 years ago. The drive’s read and write speeds have dropped to around 40 MB/s.
The drive also does not appear after a cold boot, it only shows up after a restart. This drive uses Phison controller.
quintCooper@reddit
I have had similar problems with wonky drivers that froze the boot process and stuff like that. After I got tired of tweaking with it I used my bootable USB for my backup software and restored my drive from my external backup drive to a date that predated the incident. Then I turned off updates and some of the other stuff. I've had this problem with GPU drivers, chipset drivers, and just stuff the didn't want to work like it was advertised. By using incremental backups, I restored the machine to a date previous to the incident.
The surprising thing is how many YouTube influencers don't talk about doing a backup, and then when "something happens", all they can do is shrugged their shoulders or shove some major surgery scripts out there (which may not have been vetted), and then talk about jumping to a different operating system.
samtheman57@reddit
Well, I don't know if this is a final, official statement, but Microsoft says there is no link between the security updates and SSD/HDD failure or data corruption.
I'm still not convinced, but the way I see it, they have washed their hands of the matter entirely.
I'm still waiting it out a bit, mainly because soime reputable tech channels have not given an "all clear".
"Microsoft has found no link between the August 2025 KB5063878 security update and customer reports of failure and data corruption issues affecting solid-state drives (SSDs) and hard disk drives (HDDs).
Redmond first told BleepingComputer last week that it is aware of users reporting SSD failures after installing this month's Windows 11 24H2 security update.
In a subsequent service alert seen by BleepingComputer, Redmond said that it was unable to reproduce the issue on up-to-date systems and began collecting user reports with additional details from those affected.
The video player is currently playing an ad.
"After thorough investigation, Microsoft has found no connection between the August 2025 Windows security update and the types of hard drive failures reported on social media," Microsoft said in an update to the service alert this week.
"As always, we continue to monitor feedback after the release of every Windows update, and will investigate any future reports."
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-says-recent-KB5063878-windows-update-didnt-kill-your-ssd/
imaginary_num6er@reddit (OP)
Article includes a table of tested drives with 1-3 tests performed:
Drives were scored by:
CapsicumIsWoeful@reddit
Urgh, my Kingston 2TB KC3000 uses the Phison controller and I have automatic updates turned on.
Unrecoverable data loss is a pretty huge deal.
glizzytwister@reddit
Don't install any giant games and you should be fine until they issue a fix.
Admirable_Leg_2481@reddit
Y si simplemente probamos a desinstalar esa actualización en concreto? Acabo de ver este video y se me hace lo más lógico.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxsV_7Wpr7M
AK-Brian@reddit
Separate from this potential issue, make sure you're on the latest firmware for that drive. There is a stale read condition on it and similar Phison E18 based drives, which can manifest as extremely slow (10MB/s) access to older files. Particularly susceptible are older game installations, larger archives or other similar infrequently modified data.
https://www.kingston.com/en/support/technical/ksm-firmware-update
As far as I know, Kingston is the only vendor who pushed out an update (which does fix the issue, as I had run into it on my own two 2TB drives during backup operations).
One-Water-5688@reddit
One question, I have an MSI GF63 laptop, it comes with a m.2 Physon by default and I added a Kingston SATA SSD to use for gaming. Playing a light game yesterday (in terms of storage) it froze and subsequently closed (I have it on Steam), it didn't let me open it again (I pressed “Start” and it didn't even open). I decided to restart my computer and then it appeared that I should install it again, but when I tried to do so it told me that it had been installed on a hard drive that was no longer available. There I realized that my hard drive was no longer detected in the file manager, and in the disk manager it appeared as “Unknown”, it did not give me any type of information, except that it said in its properties that it was in good condition. I tried to restart the computer again, access the BIOS to see if it detected it (it appeared that it was there, but it did not give me options for it or information about it), I removed it and reinstalled it but nothing. So far it still doesn't work. Now that I see the issue of the update that makes the hard drives useless, is there a way to make it work again or has it already died? I looked for possible solutions to update its drivers but I already have the best ones that Windows recommends and it doesn't work :(
Any comments or advice help, thank you very much.
Tomme7331@reddit
So Kingston adressed the issue in 2024? Thats when they pushed the last firmware update for KC3000. Or am I trippin?
A__noniempje@reddit
If I update the firmware I don't need to revert the windows update right?
SSD_Data@reddit
Other partners have also released an update to this.
AK-Brian@reddit
Good to hear, it was a very frustrating bug. Looks like Seagate released one two months ago, and Corsair released some over the summer as well (including one from just a few weeks ago).
https://www.reddit.com/r/Seagate/comments/1lk9229/seagate_firecuda_530_firmware_su6sm100_release/
https://forum.corsair.com/release-notes/ssd-firmware/mp600-pro/eifm317-r135/
That said, E18 controllers were used in a very wide swath of otherwise quite good SSDs, so it will still be up to each vendor to make these updates available, and some of them have obviously taken their time. Having your (Phison) reference firmware won't help if they sit on the file, so any users with an E18-based MSI, Gigabyte, Adata, Apacer, Inland, Team Group or other brand drive should still contact their vendor support and inquire.
Running a "drive toolkit" utility can help, but not all of them offer such a tool and many are outdated, regardless (coughteamgroupcough).
gnexuser2424@reddit
yeah I seen 2 seagate fixes I think
gvargh@reddit
840 evo all over again??
bctoy@reddit
*870 Evo, bought three soon after release and all of them went bad and had to be RMAd.
Techpowerup has a >50 page thread over it, impressive in the age of reddit/discord.
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/samsung-870-evo-beware-certain-batches-prone-to-failure.291504/
Thought I had learned a lesson about buying SSDs early, but splurged out recently for SN8100 after looking at the reviews.
gnexuser2424@reddit
I got an 840 that's going on 10 years of powerontime and it's at 42% health lol
gnexuser2424@reddit
seagate has 2 patches I think!
shodonosti@reddit
Thanks for info!
damien09@reddit
I'm there with you my boot drive is a Kingston renegade furry and it uses a phison controller
Alternative_Fan_6286@reddit
kingston renegade what?? 😅😅
Boxersteavee@reddit
Those are Phison E18 which is a higher class controller and I'm hoping my 2 Kingston Fury renegade SSDs are fine 😅😅
damien09@reddit
I've rolled back the windows update and put it on pause for two weeks. I'd rather let it blow over than be the person to find out any of my drives are affected. I have good backups but why have a headache if I can avoid it.
ObserverIX@reddit
Same. Now I know it was because of this update. I was lucky enough to backup my data before.
wogIet@reddit
I have the same drive as you. I literally just booted my PC for the first time after a windows update that was done earlier today and just came across this post haha. I’ll report back with any catastrophe.
greggm2000@reddit
Or, you could just revert the update, and pause updates until Microsoft issues a fix.
gnexuser2424@reddit
wait wait....HARD DRIVES???!! THOSE ARE AFFECTED TOO???
Railander@reddit
i know there's no evidence but i can't shake off the feeling these newer catastrophic updates are caused by vibe coding.
gnexuser2424@reddit
They are and MS laid off their entire QA teams too
Michal_F@reddit
Also this is interesting ...
Also there is list of affected drives ... 1755447679_24h2_ssd_issue.webp (1001×1103)
Samsung OK, WD Black SN 7100 Ok, WD Blue SN 5100 affected .... Corsair MP 510, 600 affected
smooth6er@reddit
I have a non pro 990 evo nvme...nothing mentioned about that one being good.probaly because no dram..time to upgrade...
Particular_Act_2085@reddit
Interesting, My corsair mp510 just failed but I'm on windows 10
SSD_Data@reddit
This is not a drive issue. Just because a drive ran a test one time with a flaky OS update doesn't mean it will pass again without issue. Some of these products have been sold for years (The Phison E12 started shipping around 8 years ago). It didn't just suddenly have a critical issue.
CJKay93@reddit
Outside of Windows doing something totally and utterly whacky, I can't see how it couldn't be a drive issue. It should be totally impossible for any OS to render a drive unrecoverably broken.
jaymz168@reddit
Part of the effort in writing firmware is dealing with all of the weird exceptions to the rules that OSes throw at hardware devs, Windows on x86 especially because of the decades of backwards-compatibility baggage that it's acquired. I wouldn't be surprised if the firmwares of these drives have some workaround for Windows' behavior and then Microsoft changed/fixed it in the OS and now there's some conflict happening. I even see mention elsewhere in this thread of it happening before with Windows and SSD buffers years ago so we know it happens.
CJKay93@reddit
That's still the issue of the SSD though; the OS is mutable and can do something differently any moment, and the SSD firmware should be able to handle whatever any OS can possibly throw at it.
jaymz168@reddit
Absolutely, I'm not disagreeing with you just adding some context.
Mysterious_Poetry62@reddit
I have seen bad software aka virus that did brick hdd's and something with conflicting code.
jaymz168@reddit
The behavior sounds just like the SanDisk Extreme Pro failures a couple years ago and I saw that happen on a 2TB drive which SanDisk initially claimed was unaffected.
So be careful about making absolute statements like "this is not a drive issue", especially this early into it.
SSD_Data@reddit
I can be confident in my statement because I'm on the industry side.
This is Phison's official statement regarding this topic.
Phison has recently been made aware of the industry-wide effects of the 'KB5063878' and ‘KB5062660’ updates on Windows 11 that potentially impacted several storage devices, including some supported by Phison. We understand the disruption this may have caused and promptly engaged industry stakeholders.
We are steadfast in our commitment to product integrity and the success of our partners and end users. At this time, the controllers that may have been affected are under review, and we are working with partners. We will continue to provide updates and advisories to partners who may have been impacted to provide support and ensure any applicable remediation. For any questions, please contact press_americas@phison.com.
cruncherv@reddit
>Crusial
>Corsaur
How tf people who do this daily (mess with ssds) don't know it's "Crucial"
Adiker@reddit
I have Corsair MP510 for years now, nothing happened to me after the supposed "corrupted" update. But I can only hope it stays that way, this news is worrisome.
Strazdas1@reddit
Funny how he got 17 m.2 drives on a motherboard that supports 2 m.2 drives?
Tumleren@reddit
Does it say they were connected at the same time? Could he not just have tested them separately?
Strazdas1@reddit
Sure, do you just test 17 different drives on a 2 slot motherboard?
QuadraKev_@reddit
funny how some people's brains just..
Tumleren@reddit
Next you'll be telling me that they don't put all 15 graphics cards in at the same time when doing benchmarks
SirSlappySlaps@reddit
They don't??!!!
AnxiousJedi@reddit
M.2 contipede
NlkoDeus@reddit
Does kingston ssd have issues too? On latest windows update, if samsung is fine my installed windows there is good.
Wildfoox@reddit
Does this mean that for example installing any game over 50 GB is a risk? lol
Dphotog790@reddit
if it dies it dies...nothing I can really do about it :(
dustarma@reddit
Are the "unrecoverable" drives completely blocked or is it just data loss?
UninstallingNoob@reddit
I have heard that actual drive failure is possible, but some drives may be more prone to this than others
fiittzzyy@reddit
I have the PC801 which is an OEM P41 and I'm having these same issues, W11 doesn't recognise my drive until I reboot and then it works as normal - same as NG Lv.1
alexforencich@reddit
Tbh, this sounds like a latent defect in the actual drives. I would not expect an OS-level bug to brick any kind of drive, aside from updating firmware or similar.
DonutsMcKenzie@reddit
This would be easy to stress test on Linux, but seems localized to Windows (11?)
Sopel97@reddit
The only way I could see this happening is if Windows corrupts HMB somehow or the protocol is fucked. Most software assumes the hardware works as expected, so if the SSD is made to operate with unreliable memory it could fail badly.
gnexuser2424@reddit
no, drives w dram are effected too
Sopel97@reddit
well then that kinda proves it's an issue with the drives
Solace50@reddit
Correct, similar to RAM errors that require specific conditions or even CPU overclocks need to hit a certain frequency that might be unstable by a program. Software updates are not a root cause to these issues although they may induce the behavior.
jigsaw1024@reddit
If what the author is putting forward is true, this isn't the first time that MS has corrupted peoples data with an OS upgrade.
Strazdas1@reddit
the last time it wasnt microsoft either, it was drive manufacturers making weird firmware to get around microsoft limitations.
Caffdy@reddit
what are these limitations in the first place?
Strazdas1@reddit
Windows officially supported up to 64 MB of host memory buffer. Some drives though they wanted more, so they wrote firmware workarounds. Microsoft then released a patch that allowed higher host memory buffer sizes in windows. This broke the manufacturer workarounds and lead to drives using these higher buffers not working in some cases.
team56th@reddit
Honestly this really sounds like way out of Microsoft’s reach.
lordofthedrones@reddit
It is not the first time.
soru_baddogai@reddit
It has happened with Windows 10 before. Luckily I'm on a Samsung drive with DRAM so this bug doesn't affect me
Strazdas1@reddit
and of course the only unrecoverable is WD again.
samtheman57@reddit
I'm checking for an update daily, but nothing at all so far. I just came across a tech video stating that not only KB5063878, but also KB5062660, is causing catastrophic data loss. Never hurts, I suppose to be cautious, so I uninstalled both without incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CLnF3gKXj4
RasherGGMU@reddit
I've just done a win 11 wipe on my Sandisk 480Gb SSD and reinstalled Win 11. I managed to stop Win update at 24H2 KB5056579 ? Im not sure if this is after or before KB5063878 / 2660 ?
samtheman57@reddit
24H2 KB5056579 is before both of the trouble updates; you should be fine.
RasherGGMU@reddit
Thanks. Good to know 👍
QuadraKev_@reddit
I wonder if this is what broke my Windows install recently..
Zarlock@reddit
Broke mine as well. Left computer updating, came back to find it stuck at the boot logo. Tried recovery but didn't work. Ended up having to nuke he whole drive and reinstall from scratch. Which I also did to save time, since it's just my gaming laptop that I use to play. Didnt even think about windows being the cuprit till I read this piece of news.
One-Water-5688@reddit
It happened to me yesterday that while playing, the program froze and closed on its own, and stopped detecting the Kingston SATA hard drive where I had that and many more games installed. In the disk manager it only appears as "unknown", but it won't let me do anything with it. Do you have any solution or has the hard drive already died?
Zarlock@reddit
Excuse me for the late answer, I wasn't often at the PC these last few days. Well, for me the affected drive was the main and only one in the laptop, a Transcend 4tb that I bought aftermarket and installed myself about a year ago. The main thing that made me think the problem is connected to the update are the many logical drive errors reported during a scannow during my brief attempt to save the Windows installation. Having failed that final attempt, I just resorted to formatting and repartitioning the whole drive. It has worked alright since then, so I'm now fairly certain it was a one time event (and thus most likely connected to the aforementioned problematic update).
One-Water-5688@reddit
Well, in the same way I returned the disk and I am looking for a new hard disk that can replace the previous one and that does not have problems with the KB5063878 update. Any recommendations?
Zarlock@reddit
I'm no expert on the matter, I'm afraid. Just swapped the disk back then 'cause I wanted to install more games :) My usual method for this type of purchase, is see what's discounted on Amazon and check (professional) reviews
Jimmy_Nail_4389@reddit
Yeah, mine broke last week and I am using a WD drive for boot which is probably affected.
I managed to recover it, decided to use acronis to take an image and I was planning on replacing it with a 4Tb NVME in the next week or so.
Might still do it, just keep the old one as a backup.
bagaudin@reddit
Let me know if you'll need any help Acronis-wise.
Jimmy_Nail_4389@reddit
I can't seem to make a bootable drive using the software, it just doesn't even launch even when I run as admin.
Any ideas?
bagaudin@reddit
What exact version you're running? Acronis True Image for WD or app from official website or else?
What OS are you attempting to start the app in?
If I understood correctly - the installation went just fine, but the app is not starting? Or you were referring to installation not starting?
Jimmy_Nail_4389@reddit
Yes the WD one.
Win 11
In the app there's a menu called tools, in there 'Rescue media builder'. I click it nothing happens.
bagaudin@reddit
Thanks! Two more questions:
Did you download and install the latest build for WD/Sandisk available from here - https://support-en.sandisk.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/6550/ (or it was some older installer you had)?
Try launching Bootable Rescue Media Builder from Start menu - https://i.imgur.com/Gr5u6cw.png Does the issue reproduce?
Jimmy_Nail_4389@reddit
It says in the about it's the latest version, got it from WD website the other day.
No doesn't launch from start menu either
bagaudin@reddit
Can you visualize with the screenshot?
Jimmy_Nail_4389@reddit
Version 2025 Build 41936
bagaudin@reddit
Latest is 41971, available via link above. Please install and see if that resolves the problem.
InternationalSet8128@reddit
Same. 990 Pro. While installing a game on Steam the system locked up and then blue screened. It survived a reboot but sfc failed to repair files until an offline scan and repair was performed..
dudemanguy301@reddit
Mine also broke about a month ago. Never had that happen before, just instant failure as soon as windows got bootstrapped. I had to make a new install media on a flash drive and even a recovery install failed so I had to do a fresh install like my system didn’t have an OS on it.
Goodbye all my data, it’s a good thing my desktop is purely a toy for gaming and all my personal shit is on my laptop.
Impossible_Flower251@reddit
Uh oh looks like I will need to transfer my personal files to gdrive.
Local_Band299@reddit
Some people have been having the same bluescreen issue with samsung M.2 drives.
armyofbear136@reddit
One month old Kingston 1tb ssd with a Phison controller dead in my PC yesterday. Never seen a failure on a drive quite like this. When trying to clone it fails every time at 27%. SFC no help. BIOS won't even detect it after a failure and reboot. Takes a second reboot to see it in BIOS.
Definitely this dang bug. How do I submit a claim I lost a ton of work 😭🤯😭🤯🤬🤬😠🤬
UfosGames@reddit
Resolvi com muito medo instalar essa atualização e o que aconteceu ? Bugou aqui tbm, meu Pc reinicia sozinho umas 4 vezes até que consegue entrar, nessas tentativas aparecem imagens borradas ou só umas listras coloridas no monitor, minha placa é a 1070ti só foi instalar essa att que fudeu tudo aqui.
Blesker@reddit
Qie estranho mano, deu certo ai?
kavotee@reddit
Of course I get an error when I try to uninstall the KB... I would've move to linux already if it could just emulate android
samtheman57@reddit
I figured out the reason causing error 0x800F0825, at least in my case.
If you have Windows Sandbox enabled, that is the reason. You have to disable it in the "Turn Windows Features on and off" menu, reboot, then you'll be able to uninstall KB5063878.
You'll even be able to uninstall with the regular GUI "Uninstall" option in the Windows Update settings menu, no need for a special command. You'll probably want to pause updates in the update settings before restarting after uninstalling it though.
You can turn the feature back on after uninstalling the update.
kavotee@reddit
Thanks but I didn't have it enabled. I even enabled it and disabled it to see if it helped but no
samtheman57@reddit
Open Control Panel: Type Control Panel into the Windows search bar and open it. Go to Programs and Features: Select Programs and Features, and then choose Turn Windows features on or off. Enable Windows Sandbox: Scroll down the list until you see Windows Sandbox.
samtheman57@reddit
https://www.elevenforum.com/t/kb5063878-update-can-not-be-uninstalled.39076/page-2
samtheman57@reddit
JohnQ8@reddit
Microsoft used to be light years better with updates but since they change their update strategy from years ago it went downhill. Can we sue MS for losing our data :P
TheBlueWafer@reddit
You're new with Windows?
JohnQ8@reddit
Actually they were dude, once they started the cumulative update model when Windows 10 dropped and everything went downhill. Internal testing and vendor testing took longer than today's MS strategy with Insider builds testing model. Yes some stuff did break in the past but they had better management and not every hotfix was pushed to WU.
TheBlueWafer@reddit
Dude, I've been there since before the Win3.11 days. Microsoft was never good at this, ever.
Roberth1990@reddit
Seems to happen to me, my Crucial MX500 4TB suddenly stopped working when I was converting a lot of flac files on it to aac. Rebooted the machine, it was only able to detect the ssd but not "initialize" it in disk management, connected it to my linux machine and all the data seems uncorrupted(I hope).
AuroraFireflash@reddit
This is one of the reasons that I try to only use file systems with checksumming built-in. (ZFS, btrfs)
Railander@reddit
maybe i misunderstand but i believe you need redundancy drives por checksumming to make any realistic difference. it's going to catch and fix errors only in the very brief moment between issuing and performing a write.
AuroraFireflash@reddit
With a single drive and running in normal mode you are correct about what checksumming data buys you. It's not going to correct the errors - but it will tell you that the data is corrupt.
That alert, be it from access or a scheduled scan, keeps you from silently consuming corrupt data. It's an alarm to tell you to restore that file from backups. A signal that should keep you from backing up corrupted data for months/years, past the point where you could restore it from an older backup version.
It also lets you validate the integrity of data at the file system level instead of individual files (each with their own verification program).
Roberth1990@reddit
Well it will stay on the server and I am now migrating it to btrfs. It is just used for data storage and I was planning on doing it anyway.
Revolutionary_Hat_56@reddit
Download ext2 I use it for corrupted or unreadable drives
DeliciousIncident@reddit
The system is giving you a hint that you should have converted to opus instead.
fp4@reddit
It's an old bug but you will want to make sure your MX500 is on the latest firmware:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewMaxx/comments/zlzrxt/crucial_mx500_fix_for_some_drives/
Roberth1990@reddit
I don't think it's the same issue, the device shows up after reboot but windows can't see the parition table, but it worked just fine on my linux machine on first attempt.
Muted-Bumblebee-8987@reddit
My older cpu has had booting issues since this update. At first I thought it could possibly be a hardware issue- particularly my video card as there was a lot of pixelation occuring. Ive basically been having the cpu ok and after a few boots its craps out again and I had to system restore as the only way to get it running again. Running repair, scannow, check disk, and using the Windows emergency thing did nothing. Its been a real pain and I never know when Im going to have a successful boot now. Another problem for less experienced folks is that troubleshooting things like this when they first occur can lead to more problems culminating in some resetting their PCs, or accidentally clean installing leading to lost data. I for one used the ugrade repair out of desperation and then it stall out when it said my pc wasnt qualified due to older hardware (I had backdoored the upgrade). It basically wasnt allowing me to can get any more windows updates and was stuck on my panel with FIX IT button that didnt do anything and wouldnt go away. Luckily I was able to find a forum that allowd command prompy to fix this and change fix it to completed.
samtheman57@reddit
Just curious how did you distinguish that it was a CPU issue and not one with your SSD or HDD? Have you tried new thermal paste on the CPU/cooler or monitored the temperatures in BIOS or an open source program like Open Hardware Monitor?? https://openhardwaremonitor.org/
Muted-Bumblebee-8987@reddit
It was my hard drive. After the update repair install was legitimized and went from fix it to completed it seems like my pc is booting up again- knock on wood
PusheenHater@reddit
What does this mean, really?
Does it affect me?
INITMalcanis@reddit
It won't until it does. Consider someone who has for example bought a new SSD to hold their Steam library, and copies a few hundred gigabytes over on to it.
One-Water-5688@reddit
I was one of those haha :(
INITMalcanis@reddit
welp :(
Strazdas1@reddit
currently it means nothing, only one person reported this.
sitefall@reddit
If you do big sustained writes, like maybe you edit video or do large backups to it, then yes it effects you.
If you don't do that, then yes it might effect you, but it is a very low risk.
Check your drives for corruption just in case if you did this update.
Probably still install the update, since it's important for a specific form of malware. You have to decide if the risk of uploading is worth it vs the risk of getting the Lamma Stealer malware. If you never download files, don't click weird installers, and stuff, then probably don't update for now. Even steam games have been infected with crap in the past, so even official sources of downloads are not always 100% safe.
MajorConsequence4254@reddit
So does it mean that I can't install games larger than 50GB?
Solace50@reddit
Uh, there is absolutely no citation that the windows update is the culprit from any news article from what I have read so far. If someone could kindly link the logic between Windows I/O driver and how it is "directly" at fault for making an SSD fail that would be appreciate. Working with technology for 15 years at a firmware level in some cases gives knowledge that this would be a hardware defect that might be surfacing due to a particular condition that the OS might induce however the root cause would be on the hardware. SSD's are suppose to be able to handle intense and low intensity write volumes.
I suppose this could be similar to running a RAM test and how certain algorithms can induce instability and that the win 11 update changes the load on the drive to something unconventional under most normal use cases causing instability. Again this is still the hardware that would be at fault.
Railander@reddit
i was wondering how they pinpointed the issue to this single update. makes sense it's just random guess.
diceman2037@reddit
it is indeed a firmware issue, the same disks shit themselves already on linux, and atleast 3 of the ones in the X chart are already known to have issues that contributed to a lawsuite.
SSD_Data@reddit
The early reports were from Phison SSDs, but we have so many with reviewers that they just found it first with our drives. Further test now shows it's everyone's drives. So that means it's not a drive issue at all.
Safe_Hold_3486@reddit
👋 hey, I found an example of someone who actually read the whole article and didn't blame the drive manufacturers! Congratulations, friend! You appear to have made it passed the median bell curve of the dunning-kruger effect! It was very nice to open up Reddit to actually find some form of intelligence, albeit I had to scroll pretty far to get to ya 😭 Here, for you... 🍪
TenshiBR@reddit
your post reads like chatgpt lol
Safe_Hold_3486@reddit
I love that the more this AI shit gets pumped around, anyone with higher than average intelligence is considered AI... Guess the median bell curve is lower than I thought for our species... 🤷♂️
Federal-Seaweed-987@reddit
Haha
I was reading a test I did 10 years ago. I told the guy at the counter that my answers read like chatgpt and he agreed, but the test is 10 years old. If I submitted it today, the teacher would probably fail me and call it AI. I honestly didn't recognize my own answers. I probably studied too much and was regurgitating a bunch of stuff.
RasherGGMU@reddit
So I have a Sandisk 480gb SSD drive and was about to fit a new 990 Pro 2Tb NVMe. I have latest updates installed so do I wait or go ahead with new Samsung drive ? I don't have an option to delete the update that caused the issues ?
samtheman57@reddit
The option to uninstall should be available. As long as the update is uninstalled, you should be fine copying data to the new drive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6incbPy6DfU
RasherGGMU@reddit
Thanks 👍
samtheman57@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_WepeHUd8
samtheman57@reddit
If you're particular drive or drives are exhibiting flaky behavior, you may or may not be aware that Crystal Disk Info is currently available for download, and is a good open source software to test your drive. I also use Samsubg Magician for my Samsung SSD drive and Kitfox for my WD HDD storage drives. The big "dispute" is hardware failure caused by normal wear and tear vs. Windows causing the same drive failure, so these tests can at least point in the right direction.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/
Samsung Magician:
https://www.samsung.com/us/memory-storage/magician-software/
Western Digital Kitfox:
https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/51537/\~/download%2C-install%2C-test-drive-and-erase-using-western-digital-kitfox
SadEyesHappyFaces@reddit
How do I use these to test my SSDs? Also it says my WD SSD is not supported :(
samtheman57@reddit
Crystal Disk should support Western Digital drives.
When you download the Zip folder for Cristal Disk (tp whatever location ) you then have to extract the files by right-clicking, which unzips the executable file.
The files are labled "Diskinfo 32" and "Diskinfo 64" depending on if you are running 32 bit or 64 bit versions of Windows.
Once the program is executed you should see all available info about all drives.
If it still doesn't work for Western Digital, try Kitfox:
Kitfox:
https://support-en.wd.com/app/answers/detailweb/a_id/51537/\~/download%2C-install%2C-test-drive-and-erase-using-western-digital-kitfox
,
btbtbtmakii@reddit
Fuck it this is it, going Linux
dagmx@reddit
Also an issue on Linux , since it’s the underlying hardware at fault
See this link regarding ZFS causing the same issue https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/s/ia17Ul6o0G
Old-Thought1381@reddit
most people are using btrfs or ext4
dagmx@reddit
A statement that is completely Irrelevant to the point. The point is that it’s a hardware issue that software exposes. You could use any file system and run into an app that might cause this kind of load.
GenZia@reddit
I went with Windows Enterprise LTSC Edition when I was looking for a replacement for the aging Windows 7 all the way back in 2019.
LTSC is basically Windows stripped down to bare essentials with zero bloatware (you don't even get an image viewer, let alone Windows Store or Cortana) and no feature updates.
You only really receive cumulative updates (i.e bug fixes and minor QoL improvements) that can be paused for up to 35 days.
Still using LTSC 1809 as it'll continue to receive security and cumulative updates till 2029 (2032 if you move up to the newer IoT 21H2 version).
Personally, I consider LTSC editions to be the "true" spiritual successors of Windows 7.
MairusuPawa@reddit
And you got a legit paid license for that?
Soggy_Association491@reddit
afaik you can buy a ltsc license at $200 ish from a vendor.
for e.g. cdw.com/product/windows-11-iot-enterprise-ltsc-2024-license-1-license/8050901
MairusuPawa@reddit
Not only this isn't LTSC, you're also NOT allowed to use this license.
https://i.imgur.com/6AEpTjw.png
Soggy_Association491@reddit
It is just one of the first page links showed up on google. You don't need to be anal about it.
FibreTTPremises@reddit
Whether or not the link above, specifically, was an LTSC license, Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC does exist: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise/overview
I'm also curious why you care so much about people using non-paid licenses for [non-consumer] Windows editions. Unless you're a Microsoft employee?
Insidious_Ursine@reddit
MAS goes BRRRRRT
greggm2000@reddit
This is the way. I plan on going Win 11 LTSC as well, once October arrives.
Weddedtoreddit2@reddit
What's happening in October?
ency6171@reddit
Non-LTSC W10 EOL.
GenZia@reddit
Let's just say I "own" the Windows LTSC ISO I've on my bootable flash drive.
I'm very stingy when it comes to ownership!
MairusuPawa@reddit
It's funny how yiu are all so delusional, you'd rather just keep kicking the shit can down the road rather than trying to cure your addiction. It will only get worse in the long run.
IANVS@reddit
Ofcourse not. And I don't care. Fuck Microsoft.
se_spider@reddit
How much did it cost you?
greggm2000@reddit
Agreed. Some games seem to want a newer version of Windows 10, which is the only reason I didn’t end up going LTSC after I built a new system in 2021, though I tried. Win 11 LTSC seems to be fine there though.
LTSC is great!
IANVS@reddit
I'm using it too, it will be on a 2nd SSD once I switch to Linux.
It still has some telemetry but less than regular vesions. Very solid. There's a Win 11 LTSC too but I've been reluctant to try it since it's still Win 11 under the hood and Win 10 LTSC does the job...
cottonycloud@reddit
I’d wait until this claim is verified
Positive-Road3903@reddit
I would backup harder until claim is verified
LLMprophet@reddit
Backing up now can trigger the problem depending on size.
-LaughingMan-0D@reddit
Rollback the update and you're fine.
omicron7e@reddit
Ask this person in three months if they’re actually using Linux as their daily driver, anyway…
3G6A5W338E@reddit
Let's try and not steer people away from trying Linux now.
cottonycloud@reddit
If he wants to use Linux because he sees a benefit to it or certain flaws in Windows, sure.
A single tweet is not what would make me switch though.
INITMalcanis@reddit
Might as well get ahead of the rush that's going to happen in a few months.
NB: I'm not saying that "everyone" on W10 is going to suddenly mass-switch. Of course most of them will stay with Windows one way or another. But there will be an uptick in the rate of switching, which is already at something of an historical high.
anor_wondo@reddit
what does getting ahead mean here. all os these days are pretty plug and play for average joe usecases
INITMalcanis@reddit
Well for one thing, asking for help now is going to be easier than it is in October and November.
For another, OP still has a few months to get used to using Linux, and they can side-by-side the 2 OSs if needed to migrate their workflow.
SiliconSentry@reddit
Yes, tired of windows breaking things and we spend hours in fixing
loozerr@reddit
Time to break our shit ourselves!
kyoukidotexe@reddit
You'll be happy about your decision!
loozerr@reddit
Oh I have been for years. :)
kyoukidotexe@reddit
Very nice, have been on a roll past 3 or so years.
frostygrin@reddit
IKEA effect.
porcinechoirmaster@reddit
A similar problem with 24H2 was the final straw for me, and what prompted me to swap. It's really nice having an OS that feels like its objective is to enable me to do things rather than sell me things, even if I sometimes have to do more work or learn a new approach.
The only things that I flat out cannot play under Linux are multiplayer games with mandatory anti-cheat.
vandreulv@reddit
For me, a completely worthwhile tradeoff for not having to deal with the headache that Windows has become.
Fresh-Toilet-Soup@reddit
People still use windows?
Just learn to use Linux.
Numerlor@reddit
I wonder if this could be related to drives dropping out for zfs with heavy writes https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/discussions/14793
Kayant12@reddit
Thanks for that. Reading the thread it looks like it's probably a hardware issue (Which would make more sense given OP don't test other OSs.).
Numerlor@reddit
It could just be Windows, but it does seem like there's hardware side issues with certain load characteristics that Windows may be hitting after the update
nuked24@reddit
How is Microsoft supposed to catch it? They don't have a testing division and haven't for years, iirc
Hytht@reddit
Windows insider exists
BitRunner64@reddit
The problem is most "Insiders" aren't installing it on production machines. They either use VM's or secondary systems (which may not have current level hardware).
eadyelias@reddit
Make sense, afaik, I don't think any heavy gamers are eager to install insider builds for their gaming rig. 🤷🏼
Numerlor@reddit
Don't they at the very least have pre-release channels that could encounter this?
Stingray88@reddit
Holy cow! Thank you for posting this thread! I’ve been plagued by this inexplicable issue for months!
I built a SFFPC NAS back in January with 6x4TB SN850X in a RAIDz2 with TrueNAS. It was rock solid with no issues, no heat issues that this guy described either.
After two months one drive started reporting errors and dropped out of the pool. I didn’t have time to fix it that day, so I just shut the system down to deal with it the next day… booted up and everything was fine? I just let it go.
Another month goes by, same issue again. Booted into Windows this time, ran a full SMART scan using the WD software. Checked it with a bunch of other utilities. No issues could be found. Checked the firmware? Every drive is on the latest (I already knew that though, I checked that before creating the pool). Boot back into TrueNAS and everything was again showing just fine, no issues.
It’s happened twice more since then. Just turning the machine off fully for 10 minutes fixes it. No issues reported after booting back into TrueNAS, and it’s always the same drive.
This hasn’t happening for me during heavy writes though… it’s just happening totally randomly.
ProfessionalPrincipa@reddit
The random drop outs happen with the previous gen SN750/SN550 too. The likelihood of encountering this issue seems to increase with uptime.
On Windows, the drive simply disappears and if it is the boot drive, Windows will blue screen (bugcheck). It won't be visible in the UEFI upon soft reboot but a quick power down and power on cycle and the drive goes on like nothing happened.
I've had it happen on my Z170 and B550 systems and I've seen reports of people seeing similar things happen on Z390/Z490 systems. WD drives definitely suspect.
gaybae@reddit
I actually had this happen on a Samsung 990 Pro. The SSD just disappeared completely. I returned it and got another 990 Pro and since its been fine. There was an update for the 990 Pro which addressed some issue about the drive disappearing but it seems my replacement one wasn't offered the update and it has now been removed from the website.
martinkou@reddit
SN850X drives are crappy. I have 6x 4TB as well - didn't put them into any RAID config but spread around a few servers. 2 of them failed over 1 year.
SumonaFlorence@reddit
Thanks for giving me some confidence, I personally run two 4TB SN850X's, good to know they don't become unrecoverable.
Stingray88@reddit
Yeah I haven’t lost any data at all at least. It’s just a controller issue.
Integral_fir4@reddit
I did install the update but I'm gonna rollback after seeing this before I do anything because this looks like a HUGE PC brick moment
PixelmusMaximus@reddit
Im on a samsung 990 pro and I do big installs for ai like 20+ gig files. Im starting to see issues yesterday. For example, in windows explorer it wont always show todays new files. It may take time or just hang until I close and re-open it. Normally it is instant. Plus streaming to my tv kept stopping.
ObserverIX@reddit
My KC3000 just not show up one day. Now I realize it's because of this update. I was lucky enough to back up my data before this update. Jeez
LakeFives@reddit
not sure if im part of this, im using windows 10. But just 4-5 days ago i perhaps saved or transfered around 30 .psd files of 50-100b each and suddenly everytime i access those files or even the folder that contained those files my windows explorer then windows would crash. Absolutely nothing wrong with everything as long as i dont open those files or the folder. i narrowed the problem down to being my 6TB HDD(ST6000DM003), but i run tests it came out ok. I backed up and about to isolate the HDD on an enclosure but decided to just delete the problematic files and folders first but then the problem went away.
Ozenky@reddit
Bueno, yo acabo de formatear un disco de 2 TB WD (es morado pero no sé más, me da pereza abrir todo para verlo) y quería pasarle casualmente varios archivos de vídeos separados en carpetas, cuando la transferencia se detuvo al 9% y la paré porque me pareció sospechoso. Apagué el equipo manual (se me trancó) y al volver a encenderlo todo bien. Volví a intentar y se volvió a trancar. Decidí reformartear completamente el disco. Y en efecto tengo la 24H2 instalada. Mis archivos pesan exactamente en total 51.2 GB.
all_aliens_are_liars@reddit
I am cross-posting about this wherever I can: This is a shocking and disastrous bug and I don't understand why everyone isn't talking about it 24/7 like they did for WannaCry or the recent CrowdStrike Falcon bluescreen calamity. I work in video editing, copy hundreds of GB daily, and have had TWO PROJECTS massively delayed by corruptions and crashes on drives not even on the "official" list - including Samsung 990 Pro's, a top-of-the-line nVME.
Please keep discussing and upvoting this issue wherever it appears.
lockedout8899@reddit
Microsoft needs to literally go under and collapse.
They haven't produced a SINGLE THING of value since Windows XP.
And even that took them 8 years after its release to get stable.
They wasted SO MUCH FUCKING RESOURCES ON TELEMETRY CRAP ISSUES LIKE THIS WOULDNT HAVE HAPPENED.
Couldnt care less if they got hit by a fucking meteor.
Z3r0sama2017@reddit
Staying on Win 10, still 💪💪. Everytime I hear news like this, any desire to upgrade vanishes like a fart in a hurricane.
lockedout8899@reddit
Aside from blowing up your PC and burning you alive in your sleep, pushing a mandatory useless W11 Telemetry update that corrupts users' data is the next worst thing they could've done.
I am so glad I chose another company over Macroshit out of college.
12kdaysinthefire@reddit
None of my drives were affected but I did keep getting a bad driver alert after the update, but that went away after restarting.
joxelvii@reddit
I wonder if this is what bricked my OS drive the first week of the Battlefield 6 Beta... The timing seems to line up. My OS drive was a Silicon Power UD90 2TB (Phison E21T, DRAM-less). During the Battlefield 6 beta, my partner’s PC ran everything fine, but my rig would freeze or crash every time I got in a game, eventually crashing before the game would launch. Each crash caused a full shutoff, sometimes with graphical artifacts leading me to think it was my graphics card. This later revealed to not be the case after reinstalling Windows on a new drive (WD Black 4TB) and the game running fine.
The silicon power drive appears to be completely bricked. It won’t boot, and whenever I try to connect it to another system (even in a dedicated NVMe enclosure), the whole disk subsystem freezes. File Explorer, Disk Management, recovery tools, everything locks up as soon as it sees the drive. At this point it’s just sitting on my desk.
LiquidxFire@reddit
Yeah the e21T seems to be part of the group the crucial p3 runs that and its on the list.
ArcAngelSlayer@reddit
Unfortunately I'll never know if this affected my MP510. No smart error. Just a failure when writing to the drive. Could reproduce this every time with Crystal disk mark every time.
Replaced the drive and all fixed... Will never know though
Sannyi97@reddit
Has anyone’s HDD gotten bricked because of this? Specifically a WD Elements 2.5" HDD with 1.36 TiB. The system does detect it, but it only shows up as a RAW partition, with no way to format it via diskpart. The controller isn’t Phison (I believe WD uses Marvell), but the issue happened under the same scenario.
moschles@reddit
Is there a way to pause updates in a clever way to avoid this?
needchr@reddit
if you on pro or higher in group policy set to be notified only for updates, no auto install. That in my view is the only sane way to configure windows, you will still get some small stuff in the background, but the published updates with KB numbers will only install with your intervention, including this bugged update.
samtheman57@reddit
Clever? Not sure, but this worked for me: https://youtu.be/mlY2QjP_-9s?si=2y67ANGjraF6d65C&t=470
ComatoseSnake@reddit
Neowin is just some guy who makes clickbait videos and articles.
osamazellama@reddit
Another reason to point to when asked why don't you want to upgrade to Windows 11 😂
Robot1me@reddit
Not to 24H2 at least. It's honestly such a disaster of a Windows version. Over half a year later it still stuffers from a GPU render issue that affects all Chrome and Chromium Embedded Framework-based programs (such as Discord.) You scroll a page, then half of it stays sticky on your screen. Or you use Chrome in fullscreen for Geforce Now, and then it starts hanging itself. The workaround is to disable multiplane overlay systemwide, but that comes with drawbacks for games. 23H2 is not affected.
Peanut__Man@reddit
Dude, I've been having the issue you described with Chrome and discord for so long, I guess I just never decided to properly look into it. It was only those apps that were affected, no games. Do you know of any fixes for this? It's super annoying
greggm2000@reddit
Unfortunately, 24H2 is the only version that gets updates past November.. at least when it comes to Home and Pro. Do you know if Win 11 LTSC is affected by these issues that you mention? I haven’t tried daily driving that yet, I’m still on Windows 10.
samtheman57@reddit
Latest update:
"Microsoft reportedly working on a fix
Redmond has yet to officially confirm this issue, however, a Microsoft spokesperson told BleepingComputer that the company is "aware of these reports and are investigating with our partners."
NAND controller maker Phison also shared a statement with BleepingComputer saying that it's "working with Microsoft to resolve the issue."
"Phison has recently been made aware of the industry-wide effects of the 'KB5063878' and 'KB5062660' updates on Windows 11 that potentially impacted several storage devices, including some supported by Phison," a spokesperson also told BleepingComputer.
"We understand the disruption this may have caused and promptly engaged industry stakeholders. [..] At this time, the controllers that may have been affected are under review and we are working with partners."
Until this issue is addressed, Windows users should avoid writing large files (tens of gigabytes) or multiple large files in quick succession, and instead write them in smaller batches over time.
Also, when extracting large compressed files with many items (e.g., 200 files of 200 MB each), do so in several steps rather than all at once."
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-reportedly-fixing-ssd-failures-caused-by-windows-updates/
samtheman57@reddit
Microsoft told BleepingComputer on Wednesday that it is aware of reports that installing the KB5063878 security update is causing SSD and HDD data corruption and failure issues.
In a service alert seen by BleepingComputer, the company added that it couldn't reproduce the issue on up-to-date Windows 11 24H2 systems and is now attempting to collect user reports with additional information from those affected.
"We are actively working with our storage device partners to try to reproduce the issue. At the time of this publication, neither internal testing nor telemetry have identified an increase in disk failure or file corruption," the company said.
"In addition, Microsoft customer support teams haven't received reports of customers experiencing this issue. If you are experiencing this issue, please contact Support for Business or use the Feedback Hub to file a report.
The company is also investigating if this issue is Microsoft's fault and has promised to provide an update when more details are available.
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-asks-customers-for-feedback-on-ssd-failure-issues/
FragrantGas9@reddit
Interesting. I work on an IT helpdesk at a corporation and we’ve been experiencing HP laptops corrupt their Windows installations (no boot device found - data is still present on the drive, but seems like partition table corrupted). Has been going on for at least 6 months though, could all be 24H2 systems but I’ll not sure. Interestingly it’s only on our HP system, never the Lenovos we also use. And never with Samsung drives. Definitely have seen a few WD drives have the issue. The drive itself seems undamaged and re-usable after, just needs OS re-installed, but we typically replace it anyways to be safe and try to prevent more downtime for the user. Our replacement drives are always Samsung. And we haven’t had any repeats of the issue on the same system after doing that replacement.
jomarcenter-mjm@reddit
being a IT helpdesk I hope you have them reported the problem not just the corporate but also the manufacturer about it. So they can conduct their investigation.
FragrantGas9@reddit
We’ve reported but it’s challenging because I am in the healthcare industry so we are not able to provide the disks with failed operating systems / partition tables for analysis because of PHI data controls.
samtheman57@reddit
I recently installed Windows 11, and I had the update installed, but I had no issues, assuming it's because I have the (allegedly unaffected) Samsung EVO 860 SSD as my C Drive.
Two Western Digital Drives (Black and Blue) are for music storage, and one is for backup.
Using Kitfox and Samsung Magician scan and diagnostic, all drives are in good shape, but I uninstalled the update to make sure and paused downloads for a couple of weeks.
Some people said it affects fewer than 1,000 users, but if that were true, the sense of alarm and warnings would have subsided, and they seem to be increasing.
MysteriousOrchid464@reddit
I had a 4tb 990 pro exhibiting this exact behavior back in july, playing fallout 4... if i left the game paused for like 20 minutes, the game would crash after moving my mouse and would not relaunch. After a reboot the drive would disappear from the os, after an actual shut down and power on the drive would reappear. Turning on max performance in the samsung magician software seemed to have fixed it... there was also a firmware update about a week later from samsung... no idea if the firmware update fixed it or not though, i never took it off full performance mode.
Marganth@reddit
For those who are speculating, the issue is real, i have a Samsung 970 Evo plus 2Tb, while i was downloading BF6, the pc crashed it corrupted the boot beyond repair, had to clean install the OS, the second time it happened i was downloading programs and such recovering some data, fortunately it allow me to restore it, but yeah it's happening, Samsung is also affected.
jnv11@reddit
The Samsung 970 Evo Plus is a DRAM-less SSD. This problem seems to show up the most on DRAM-less SSDs.
I am wondering if the problem could be that there are bugs in the implementations of the firmware of multiple DRAM-less SSDs or if the patch in Windows fouled up whatever manages host memory buffers that DRAM-less SSDs rely on for performance. Maybe the lesson here is that one should keep it simple for the OS by buying and installing only SSDs with embedded DRAM, making the SSDs not depend on any host memory buffers which seems to be a repeated source of bugs. I get that people want lower power consumption and costs, but I don’t think that the drop in reliability is worth that.
gnexuser2424@reddit
Sn850x has dram and I've seen reports of those failing too
Eldritch50@reddit
Is this why my PC won't shut down all of a sudden?
SirSlappySlaps@reddit
When the Samsung tax is finally justified
JustAQuck@reddit
Don't know if this is correlated but my Samsung SSD I think it's a 970 pro just completely died one morning. It was still being detected in terminal but Bios didn't see it and I couldn't write to it
Irrusions@reddit
I had the same or similar thing happen to my 970 evo recently. It was recognised in bios but no longer recognised as a boot drive. That drive is cooked but I was able to clone it to a new drive using Rescuezilla so I didn't end up loosing anything.
Julian679@reddit
That actually made me laugh.
soru_baddogai@reddit
This kind of shit is why Windows is nothing more than a toy gaming OS to me. I do all my important work on Macs. I pity guys who have to work with Software that is Windows only.
Since their CEO Satya Nadella fired thw Windows QA testers there has been issues like that consistently. Say what you will about Steve Ballmer but he cared for Windows users and all the best Windows versions were released under him.
F9-0021@reddit
And it's not even good at gaming, it just has compatibility and optimization due to the monopoly. The user experience on Linux is way better for the average gamer.
InfinteLurking@reddit
you mean dual booted right because linux is NOT at all better for the average gamer
AnyPortInAHurricane@reddit
yeah but aapl blows so theres always that
Robot1me@reddit
After 24H2 and its ongoing issues like the Chrome / CEF render issue, I can totally relate to that sentiment.
Blackheart6004@reddit
I've installed the update on my main drive (WD_Black SN750) and I got plagued with BSODs and UNEXPECTED_STORE_EXCEPTION stop codes while playing games, mostly Destiny 2, and I though my drive was failing!
After I've re-installed Windows 11 with the latest updates, problem seemed to go away but it came a few hours later but I don't think it came back today but I'm going to keep an eye on more this crash.
I've bought a new Samsung Pro 990 as a backup but not installed (yet) because I'm going to see if the update is the actual culprit, another driver is corrupted, or the actual drive is starting to fail.
AdIntrepid9840@reddit
So mine updated on the 8th and I’ve already installed a 95gb game and haven’t had any problems. Unless the update now is the 1 I shouldn’t update to
Darkreaperjr5@reddit
very much true,im running 2 2tb 990s,my first one os got corrupted and drivers to show drives says missing in reinstalls,data could be accessed thru original drive i cloned it from os system i still had installed.repair win doesnt work on any level,i found various files corrupted from os to media player related files.i copied my main 990 to the other to make sure drive itself was the issue but still same issues(drive was functioning but empty before i used it for test).next imma wipe out the 2nd drive to see if its returns to functionality it had before test. tried: chkdsk dism sfc recovery os included rest win,restore win,remove latest updates using usb to restore and reset
Metalgear990@reddit
Is this just secondary drives or is this also affecting boot drives I’m running a 980 evo pro that is not dram. I’m about to get home and check if I have the update installed and to people who think it’s a failing controller your os can and has corrupted ssds as some things rely on windows setting timings especially for dram less storage drives timings and background processes really there communication between the 2 and a miss read can happen during any point and cause damage rare but file and os corruption are likely.
gnexuser2424@reddit
boot drives too
DeathTerraki@reddit
I have a wd black 770 2tb and it recently got all corrupted suddenly and now I can't find it in bios or disk management. I think this update bricked my drive. Would Microsoft or wd give me a replacement?
fiittzzyy@reddit
I think I'm affected by this, recently my PC801 (OEM P41 Platinum) keeps not being recognised by Windows and I have to restart the PC and then it shows.
Ramongsh@reddit
I'm probably gonna hold up on updating....
Aj_bary@reddit
How do you avoid doing the update if the shutdown option shows update and there isn’t another shutdown option without updating?
gt362gamer@reddit
I don't know if this can be applied when there's already a "update at shut down or no regular shut down allowed" phase you talked about, and I'm not sure either if it works on Windows 11, but in Windows 10 you can block Windows updates using Acrylic DNS Proxy and setting AcrylicHosts.txt to block Microsoft's hosts responsible for Windows updates. I found out this method in a superuser post titled Stopping all automatic updates Windows 10, in the answer written by Jackary Smith. Maybe it works in Windows 11 too. Of course this means no updates for several Windows stuff, but it doesn't block Microsoft Edge updates for instance.
Rapogi@reddit
turn on metered connection, that stoppedd auto downloading for me
gnexuser2424@reddit
nope, I even have windows update blocked on my hardware firewall and set to metered and updates still find a way
Rapogi@reddit
do you have download updates even with metered on? weird i dunno why but i never had to do the registry thing and always just toggled metered and that always worked for me
No-Fact3700@reddit
I did the registry thing also and it only stopped updates for a few months.
gnexuser2424@reddit
it forces it anyways. even disabling the whole service it still pings ms for updates (I can see them on my firewalls blocking logs)v and then when i go to restart or shut down it says "apply updates and shut down", "apply updates and restart" and those are the only options. TRIPLE LAYERS DON'T SAVE YAH ANYMORE!
Rapogi@reddit
i wonder whats different for each users, i cant remember the last time my stuff auto downloaded.... https://imgur.com/a/e7QnDKg
its kinda annoying ngl cause defender doesnt auto download too
gnexuser2424@reddit
im afraid to go to w 11 and check i dual boot n i just held the power button down n went to linux
cp5184@reddit
It rolled out a while ago you probably already have it. It's from like, 7-15 months ago?
TSP-FriendlyFire@reddit
The updates in question were rolled out this month. They are updates to 24H2, not 24H2 itself.
al1c3_zip@reddit
my work laptop is stuck on "updating your firmware" screen. i absolutely can't afford losing any data. what do i do?
Flimsy_Swordfish_415@reddit
no backup? seems like you can afford it just fine
al1c3_zip@reddit
turns out it's Dell's firmware update. and it's s common problem that it gets stuck.
hkric41six@reddit
Probably the AI generated code
diceman2037@reddit
its faulty drive firmware on dramless ssd's, and only drives that are also behaving the same broken way on linux are hitting it.
melonbear@reddit
Drives with DRAM are affected too, like the SK Hynix P41.
diceman2037@reddit
the hynix p41 has pre-existing bus reset issues.
F9-0021@reddit
24H2 has been nothing but a disaster for me. After months of not even wanting to use my system because of various issues like random lockups, I finally got it working. Then the recent update introduced a problem where it takes up to 10 minutes to boot or shutdown. Rolling back kind of fixed it, but it still takes a while to boot. Now they're talking about moving onto 25H2 while 24H2 is still this massive dumpster fire.
blahyawnblah@reddit
I've had zero issues. Yay anecdotes.
You probably have a bad piece of hardware.
The_Advocate07@reddit
I have 9 (i repeat NINE) completely different systems all with failed boot drives, immediately after updating Windows. 4 are Samsung, 2 Corsair and 3 Sabrent. ALL less than a year old. All with more than 99% lifespan left as of Sunday.
There is your proof. Open and shut case. It is 100% confirmed.
Xanthion55@reddit
I have had 5 out of 20 Patriot SATA SSD failed for the last 6 months using 24H2
Aleksanterinleivos@reddit
This is not about 24H2, but update KB5063878 for it, which released last week.
So either your issues have got nothing to do with it, or the update has got nothing to do with people having these issues.
Sopel97@reddit
"security update"
AnyPortInAHurricane@reddit
when you are hacked by the latest zero day, then you will need to
i wont
i will have already updated , as usual
Sopel97@reddit
updates don't help you with zero-days by definition
AnyPortInAHurricane@reddit
they help me more than they help you though
INITMalcanis@reddit
Dang, that's a lot of dead NAND. At least now you know why.
Xanthion55@reddit
Yeah we thought at first it's defective from the seller since we bought 20 of them from the same supplier. Now we know.
And we used it as a regular officer PC.
FSClub@reddit
Yep Western Digital SN850X had this happen last week. Black screen crashes into bios cant. Bios wouldn't even see it. Hours later finally boot into windows and would be working fine. Then would happen again after awhile. Definably the update. Switched to my old Saberant Rocket NVME and no problems at all even after update.
DecisionOdd8995@reddit
I have that exact drive. It's a good thing I just uninstalled those updates.
team56th@reddit
I say give it a little more time; the report is not done, and perhaps more importantly, I know from hands-on experience that there are mainboard level problems going about these days. Some of the X670 boards with 4 M.2 slots had very similar problems stated here, which I was unfortunately suffering from for a very long time.
sonicfx@reddit
Can you give more info please?
team56th@reddit
This is the mobo I had the misfortune of owning. Using the later two M.2 slots connected to daisy chained Promontory 21 will lead to sudden stutter during prolonged read/write on the drive plugged into those slots and then result in lost USB/LAN/SSD connection.
Apparently some of the other X670/E have similar stories from what I remember, meaning it might be a fundamental problem of the mobo platform. I changed to B850 board and finally got rid of it.
sonicfx@reddit
I have MSI x670e Carbon and choose it because NVMe topology (i have 4 nvme drives and wanted 2 from chipset and 2 direct to cpu). Glad you solve your problems and sad that it with changing mobo.
team56th@reddit
I do think it’s more that 600 series documentation has been sloppy and Gigabyte leant on the worst of it with X670 Aorus Elite.
Still I’d guess that some of the similar boards would share the same problem, as that problem for that specific board cropped up some 1.5 years after it was released on the market and we just haven’t heard enough of the others (Aorus Elite was one of the ‘best product on paper’ and many I know bought one too for their AM5 system).
And in general I just hear more about mobo shenanigans these days from both Intel and AMD, things are getting worse on this front than ever before. Especially if it’s a new socket and new platform. Sucks to be on a trial run with my own money.
SireEvalish@reddit
This is based on a single unverified tweet. This site should be banned immediately.
gnexuser2424@reddit
did you even read the threads of it???
No_Click_4071@reddit
Im using lexar and its not on the list
Zoro_691@reddit
I am facing weird stutter even on normal desktop i updated my Nvidia driver for games and studio but its still happening help please
gnexuser2424@reddit
what drive you got?
kingwhocares@reddit
Does it affect Windows 10?
sLimbutin@reddit
I have drive that failed on my system (Win 11 with the update) fail on entirely different W10 system. I'm guessing the drive is completely beyond saving (Corsair MP600 1TB)
Wait_for_BM@reddit
The answer depends on if MS back port the affected code to Win10 and sneak it in an update. i.e. No one really knows.
Julian679@reddit
They backport ton of shit so wouldnt be surprised. Last week i got an update which made file explorer load thumbnails terribly slow exactly like it is on windows 11.
sturmeh@reddit
We would first need to know what "it" is.
Inprobamur@reddit
Why would it?
Maika_Ra@reddit
Does this mean that we're potentially "safe" if we dont download/move/etc huge files? So like just using the computer normally without downloading anything
gnexuser2424@reddit
if you do any kinda music/video production or work with vms then you will be affected
Individual-Sample713@reddit
lucky I got the Lexar NM790 with the Maxiotech controller, had me sweating for a second, as there is a version with phison controller.
melonbear@reddit
It doesn't affect just Phison drives according to report.
gnexuser2424@reddit
even wd drives and samsung too and innogrit based drives
Suizaid@reddit
Has anyone managed to recover at least photos lost in the SSDs?
I feel like killing Satya Nadella
Firez53@reddit
My drive (teamgroup t-force gc pro) conveniently failed a day after this was posted. (i’ve had it for not even 6 months) thanks microsoft! thought the beta channel existed for a reason.
diceman2037@reddit
Innogrit basded SSD's have a faulty controller that needs a firmware update to prevent the LBA MAP from corrupting under load, the issue is not unique to windows and affects linux too.
Firez53@reddit
I had done that firmware update about 3 months ago when new version was released.
MirellieDesigns@reddit
Forced to update last night and my nvme is in a bsod boot loop. Spent the last 4 hours trying to fix it with no success so far. This issue seems to be different since its supposidly related to HDD and SSD but still wana make it known that shits funky.
bravojohnnyp@reddit
Did you manage to find a fix.. the same thing happened to my laptop
WildberrySelect_224@reddit
They threaten us with ending W10 support while W11 acts like it's already past it's expiration date 💀
GovertMann@reddit
Does this affect downloading games from steam? Or only when u transfer files from one ssd to another?
Suizaid@reddit
Mine died downloading a 450gb torrent
Jordi288@reddit
Is samsung 990 EVO PLUS 2TB safe?
Guccimayne@reddit
Luckily for me, my system is “too outdated” for windows 11 so I don’t have to worry about anything! 😭
Strazdas1@reddit
This is literally a single guy on a forum saying trust me bro. He us using a mobo with 2 m.2 connections and list 17 m.2 drives, so hes clearly using multiple PCIE cards which are commonly at fault for these things.
Occulto@reddit
Or... the guy identified something and sequentially tested all those drives separately.
Strazdas1@reddit
So you identify a failure for drives, so then you go and try to kill all the drives you own?
Occulto@reddit
If the person doing the testing is responsible for a fleet of devices, going through a handful of drives would be a small price to pay compared to a fault which potentially nukes the data on hundreds, if not thousands, of devices.
You have no way of knowing who they are, or why they were motivated to do this testing.
Henrarzz@reddit
You do know that you can just replace SSD on the motherboard, right?
Strazdas1@reddit
Why would you do that if you suspect the drive will die as a result?
Astigi@reddit
Windows 11 users love to be betatesters.
What will the next upgrade break?
Upbeat-Defeat@reddit
I have a Samsung SSD 970 EVO that stopped booting yesterday after being left post windows update. The SSD seems to have gone into write protection.
I do video editing which could be pertinent.
Could be coincidence but feels like strong correlation.
FragrantGas9@reddit
Stick it in another system or attach it to a working system with an NVMe to USB adapter and run CrystalDiskInfo to see the SMART data and life estimation of the drive. If you are frequently doing large writes to the drive (970 EVO could be 7 years old by now) it may have simply bit the dust the normal way.
Upbeat-Defeat@reddit
Hey thanks, I will do that. I got an enclosure for it and planned on doing a 2tb upgrade anyway so I'm setup to poke around in it soon. I got this PC new in early 2021. Only recently started doing serious video editing \~last 6 months
Insidious_Ursine@reddit
Very happy I decided to stay on 10 at this rate, more every day it's proving to have been the right decision.
Insidious_Ursine@reddit
Tech Jesus coming for you Microsoft, watch out...
_moondoggie12_@reddit
Not again. I remember having to update my SSDs because my pc wasn’t updating to 24H2.
ConfuzedAzn@reddit
Hmm... tried playing bf6 open beta but starting each time was crashing my whole computer (whether it was steam or EA launcher). Now I don't know if its EA or the update that's the culprit
m4chinehead2@reddit
I have a lexar 4tb boot drive last few days since update i have been getting random crashes blue screens freezes glitches graphics at first i thought it was my card but no it was my ssd I tried the latest firmware update but got to the point where it was completely dead :( I have since put it in my old pc done a complete clean of the drive and im now reinstalling windows.. but I ordered a samsung drive so I can swap it out and use as a spare I really dont want to go through the trauma of thinking its my 4090 dying :/ i did notice system files getting corrupted at first i guess that's why it died i didn't see anything about the Microsoft fuck up until today :/ what a weekend :(
Chlor04rm_@reddit
windows 11 actually did not allow me to update to 24h2 due to incompatibility so props to that
Constellation16@reddit
I was ready to make fun of the broken WD 4ch firmware again, but the source is a single tweet on X.. For all I know it's some other issue with his PC that kills these drives. Also I don't see any clear indication that this is truly related to a Windows update.
mishrashutosh@reddit
linux is by no means perfect but i am so glad i moved off the raging dumpster fire that is windows 11. thank you microsoft for unleashing windows 11 upon the world because it finally motivated me to haul my ass to linux land.
Frexxia@reddit
"Report" is doing a lot of heavy lifting when the source is a tweet
boringestnickname@reddit
Welcome to tech "news".
NightFuryToni@reddit
Just wait until another news site pick up this Reddit post as the source...
Ploddit@reddit
Yeah, I'm gonna need much more data to buy this one.
meodd8@reddit
So, I spend months away from my desktop, but I use Apollo/Sunshine to access it while away.
A few days ago I upgraded to the August 24H2 patch, and as best I can guess my PC either is in BSOD, my network adapter is dead, or Windows Defender decided it didn’t want to keep my ports open.
I hope that I didn’t run into this b/c I use one of these drives as my OS drive.
Dismal_Ad_3996@reddit
New failure here. GPU undervolt with MSIafterburner is BROKEN with 24h2. The system remains stable between 2 to 4 hours at relatively high load. After that time range the PC crashes and Windows startup crashes completely. The tests were done for several days with a dual Asus RTX 3070 (We tried absolutely everything from changing the GPU BIOS, updating motherboard BIOS, the only solutions were to turn off the power supply and turn it back on (the error happened again after the estimated time) and return to version 23h2, the latter ended up resolving the error for good).
Nemetona@reddit
I have another issue with my 4090 and 24H2. While gaming screen suddenly (also after 2-4h) turns rainbow-pixeled, and the only thing that helps is then shutdown system or a HDMI-Hotplug. Rebooting doesn't help, then the whole desktop is rainbow pixeled. This started with that Dolby Vision thing they introduced, but I already turned it off. My guess is that Windows sometimes turn it back on from alone, which then cause issues because the PC outputs HDR and not DV.
sparkmaster_flex@reddit
Can confirm, own a 4090. If I leave my system on idle for a while, as soon as I move my mouse, it will black screen and become completely unresponsive, including the power button. I was pulling my hair out thinking I had my memory timings wrong, but this only started happening a few days ago.
F9-0021@reddit
Isn't that one a bug on the Nvidia side? Though with the state of 24H2, it's hard to tell which software is breaking sometimes.
sparkmaster_flex@reddit
Tough to find the ultimate culprit, but I had this happen sporadically on 23H2 until a driver update fixed it. Now I'm on the dev channel and after the last 24H2 cumulative update, I've been getting it several times a day.
Nemetona@reddit
Hmm I have two Kingston FURY Renegade 2TB, but they are in a Intel Raid0 Setup, which I guess changes a lot how they are accessed on low level. Also if 50GB on a single drive cause the issue, I would need 100GB because it gonna be split between the two. The last Game I installed was Oblivion Remaster (120GB) but I dunno if I already got that Update there.
mltdwn@reddit
In raid0, corruption in either drive would cause an issue.
Nemetona@reddit
Don't worry, I know what Raid 0 is. But what I meant is that thgis fact could also prevent this bug, because Windows cannot access it straight away. The whole thing is managed by the intel raid controller on the Mobo, which hopefully is enough to avoid that bug. And the Bootdrive is a Samsung 990, which apparently isn't affected and anyway not gonna see 50GB written at once anytime soon.
Plank_With_A_Nail_In@reddit
Didn't test the same drives before updating Windows lol what a worthless test.
trparky@reddit
So, if I’m understanding this issue correctly, it seems that the actual firmware of the drive is being corrupted. Right? I mean, how else would the drive be put in a situation in which it isn’t found in UEFI and it can’t be reinitialized. Right?
WolfPatr1k@reddit
I just bought a WD_Black SN7100 1TB. Should I be worried about this?
yeshitsbond@reddit
i uninstalled the update. fuck this and fuck this sham of a company, they just keep getting worse
Frexxia@reddit
Over a single tweet?
yeshitsbond@reddit
Have you looked at the W11 sub reddit? there is enough people in there complaining about corrupted and broken drives after updating that I won't be taking a chance.
Curious_Skill_986@reddit
Neowin has 100's of adds on their page - Almost feels like clickbait. Please use an ad-blocker.
ShiiTsuin@reddit
Ah that's reassuring, was worried that the change that caused constant crashing with my SN770 until I updated firmware was the only issue I'd have to deal with :)
FredFredrickson@reddit
Glad I splurged on the 8TB WD Black NVM's now.
Jaz1140@reddit
Microsoft is incompetent with windows. It's always breaking something. I have had broken HDR for 3 months now and has to roll back to previous versions to fix it because Microsoft wont
IdeaPuzzleheaded7916@reddit
Updated my windows 11 yesterday. I had the same issue while updating. It restarted and no SSD was being seen after that. I thought I lost it completely. Tried checking the bios and found that it doesn't recognise the SSD anymore. But after sometime, when I restarted it came back miraculously. Hate windows update
lord_lableigh@reddit
Damn was just about to update. Thank god I bothered myself with checking the build numbers, my storage is already filled upto the brim, don't want to take any chances.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
I'm sticking with W10 for as long as possible. Will transition to Linux afterwards. I don't see a way I would use W11, even if I don't get along with Linux I will make it work.