Is there a Paleolibertarian party?

Posted by Key_Day_7932@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 24 comments

So, I think paleo-libertarianism is my ideology. I support conservative cultural values, but not necessarily the government legislating those values. I do think it's different if a local community decides it. Like, I think a commonunity frowning upon alcohol is different from the government arresting people for drinking.

I'm American, but Javier Milei is my favorite politician.

I don't think paleo-libertarians fit well within any of the established parties. We seem to be a pariah in the Libertarian Party, the Republican Party is probably a better fit, though Trump and the party Aren't really for small government and just want whatever is convenient for them.

The Democratic Party is a no-go for obvious reasons.

That leaves the Constitution Party. I actually like the party on basic economics and foreign policy, but I think it strays a little too far into Christian nationalist/theonomist territory on social issues.

What are your thoughts?

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verychicago@reddit

What do you think of Elon Musk’s America Party?

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Key_Day_7932@reddit (OP)

Seems decent so far. Idk how much traction it will get, though.

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OhioMapleSyrup@reddit

So, you don’t have any political libertarian beliefs?

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Zen-Devil@reddit

This may not answer your question directly, but I was thinking about this the other day.

Seeing the rising of foreign-born elected politicians, that Somali pirate guy in the Midwest and the Hamas supporter in NYC, and many others who publicly and proudly proclaim their extra-national loyalties, as well as entire districts being effectively controlled by foreign interests and being directly represented in our Congress; I am struggling with the same thoughts.

On the one hand, I am most definitely not a Christian Nationalist, and do not identify as someone who supports any sort of state sponsored religion. I have no particular religious beliefs of my own, nor do I belong to any religious group, yet I can’t bring myself to claim that I am an atheist.

On the other hand, I see what is happening in Europe, has already happened, in European countries and feel like their sovereignty (if they ever really had any) is forever lost to the incompetence and weakness of their insane elite leftist politicians and the unrelenting force that is, possibly, the formation of a new Caliphate.

I really do not like the Christian Nationalists and I can’t abide by their vision for the United States. Unfortunately, they are a large group in this country and are growing ever larger.

I listen to Tucker’s podcast, every episode. I was lukewarm on him when he was on Fox (but I never watched Fox anyways). I’ve been enjoying all of the guests he’s had on, they are fascinating conversations. Tucker has been getting more and more “religious” with his statements, and I don’t care, it doesn’t bother me, good for him for speaking his truth, but he’s been saying this line about how the world is in “spiritual warfare” right now.

I’m not sure if I believe in the metaphysical concept of spiritual warfare, but I do see VERY clearly that real world battle lines are being drawn around the world. Simply put, to me It seems like we are about to be revisited by the chaos and turmoil of a holy war between Christians and Muslims.

TL;DR Christian Nationalism is not my choice either, but the alternative is I think MUCH worse.

I have no party affiliation, that is always an option.

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Dog_Backup@reddit

Pretty much everybody in Washington is controlled by an unsavory group Israel, Palestine, ukraine, Russia, i mean even trump loves pro taliban president of Afghanistan (welcomed him with open arms). The issue is we just need less government not libertarians to fill positions in a government thats already too big

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Knorssman@reddit

Do you believe in conspiracies of the jews controlling everything?

If not, you might not be a paleo-libertarian.

Paleo-lib is more than just libertarian principles and conservative cultural preferences

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Key_Day_7932@reddit (OP)

No, I hate anti-Semitism.

I can understand not wanting to spend millions of taxpayers' dollars to aid a country on the other side of the world, but I am not touching anti-Semitic conspiracy theories with a 50 foot pole.

Israel isn't perfect, but I think Palestine is worse.

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Knorssman@reddit

Israel isn't perfect, but I think Palestine is worse.

Agreed.

But this will disqualify you from finding a home among Paleo-libertarians.

Be on guard, lots of libertarians are cozying up with the paleo-libs and they literally believe that the jews controls the US government (zionist occupied government)

This is while what is actually happening is the trend of the rise of 3rd worlder commies getting elected to local and national office from Ilhan Omar to Zohran Mamdani to Omar Fateh.

The whole conspiracy doesn't understand the obvious fact that the US has the leverage over Israel and thus can exercise control, not the other way around. Israel doesn't even have oil money to throw around to influence people.

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Dog_Backup@reddit

Im convinced "antisemitism'" is just the rights version of "transphobia"

Id argue the US throws money at Israel like a prostitute (Same is true for palestine let's not forget all the food we gave them that they refused) we give them 3 billion a year and they give us nothing but an excuse for the government to steal our tax dollars. Ukraine is worse i believe.

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Dog_Backup@reddit

Im convinced "antisemitism'" is just the rights version of "transphobia"

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danomo722@reddit

If you're culturally conservative but don't want to force that on other people with the government you're still libertarian.

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Key_Day_7932@reddit (OP)

What do you think of the Mises Caucus?

Is it paleo-libertarian or too radical?

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danomo722@reddit

They're conservative and are ok with that being forced on people at the state level. They have no interest in the social liberal issues the party always supported before. They're focused on being anti woke, on lgbtq, on black people.. They're MAGA. The LP chair who is part of Mises even supported Trump instead of the LPs own Pres candidate.

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Live_Taste_7796@reddit

They're libertarian, not conservative.

The lp candidate was straight trash, no one voted for him

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wallyhud@reddit

Can't blame 'em. I'd support HRC over the last cycle's LP candidate.

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Jammylegs@reddit

lol Javier millei yall are fucking nuts. 😂

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Own_Youth5841@reddit

Party loyalty is stupid. Libertarians should actively participate in electoral politics to minimize aggression, but believing that the libertarian ideal can be achieved through some niche party is wishful thinking. Truth is that most people are not supportive of personal responsibility and individualism at all, which is why they will always support the state. What should be done instead is that like-minded individuals, such as me and you, should form self-governing communities outside of the scope of the state and resist its control through rational, calculated means.

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ConfusedScr3aming@reddit

I mean, I’m a paleo libertarian and I fit in decently here

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NSFW_Milkshake@reddit

Pretty much where I am, with law and order / police to a certain extent. I don’t quite fit in with the Republicans due to my stances on things like religion, foreign policy, worker unions, taxation and abortion. Though I absolutely DESPISE what the Democratic Party has become and I don’t even have enough energy to explain it. Reddit in general has led to that fatigue since they tend to be pretty cancerous on this platform. But I feel you on sometimes feeling like you don’t have a political “home” but I feel more or less comfortable with Libertarians than I do Democrats and Republicans.

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