Let's end a few debates

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Free-Engineering6759@reddit

Huoh.

No. Totally different operating mechanism (tilting bolt in StG44, rotating bolt in AK). AK has Garand trigger mechanism and Remington Model 8 safety. Only thing that has German expertise is the stamping of AKM.

Best AK variant is hard to qualify. From 9 hole reviews shooting I'm surprised how well stock AK-74 performs. I think AK-100 series is better in that they took AK-74 and actually made it mass-producable with good tolerance variation (AKs are notorious that they often need hand fitting of parts due to low quality control of Soviet system).

I like a lot of Galil features, but not the weight (I regard it higher than RK). I have served with RK, and although I regard it as accurate rifle, it's too much target shooting oriented (long stock, heavy, tiny tiny diopter hole that's clogging all the time with mud and snow and makes it hard to shoot moving target or in dusk). RK95 bettered it a bit with flip rear sight, but it needs the cover tightening (really annoying) and is heavier with folding stock (and nobody besides tankers use that feature) and the stock developes a wobble due to wear and idiotism of conscripts.

So I would say AK-100 series is the best combat rifle version of AK.

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npc37652@reddit

You Galileo weight was the the main issue issue IDF had with the Galil. Too much value was placed on the Valmet design.

However the reason galil used a heavy receiver was to permit an optic mount, which 99% of infantry never had

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Free-Engineering6759@reddit

It's good rifle, but heavy. RK has milled receiver because Finns never figured out stamping. Sako and Valmet had lot of problems with heat treatment of said stampings (and heat treatments in general) producing thus low quality stamped receivers. This and the kinda old-fashioned view on gun design convinced the army that stamped receivers are too weak to handle conscripts (although you can see few stamped RK62s still going around).

Having handled East German folding stock AK and RK, I would take former to war in a heart beat. Light weight, reliable, minute of a man accurate at 150 m so enough.

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npc37652@reddit

always wanted a Stg940

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TrashRemover69@reddit

What debate? These are not ongoing mysteries. The AK has more in common with the Garand

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Nerdenator@reddit

1) no, but possibly an example of concurrent evolution in firearms design

2) AK-100 series.

3) yes, at least from the perspective of the user. No, from the perspective of the ghouls running Nazi Germany’s arms industry, because the MP-40 was probably easier to produce and supply with ammunition.

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RaiderCat_12@reddit

Respectively:

1- No, the mechanism is rather different, could very well be small design cues.

2- Very subjective. One of the modernized AK-74 versions would be my personal pick.

3- You’re comparing apples to oranges. The MP-40 is simpler but also less powerful, the StG-44 is more powerful but more complex too, and in general they fulfilled roles so different that comparing them is making them both a disservice.

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TomShoe@reddit

I think regarding point three, that's maybe doing the StG a bit of a disservice, as the assault rifle did eventually all but replace the SMG in all but a few niche roles. Conceptually, it's just a more versatile class of weapon that does all the same things as the MP 40 about as well, but offers a lot more range and precision on top of that. Of course the cost of the StG 44 itself relative to the MP 40, and the fact that the latter was already in full production meant that the former never fully replaced the latter, but conceptually it moved the game forward in such a way that from the actual user's perspective, the MP 40, and the entire category of the SMG itself became obsolescent. That, in my eyes makes it the objectively superior weapon, even if there were good reasons as to why the StG 44 itself never replaced the MP 40.

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npc37652@reddit

There are very few possibilities when it comes to reciprocal function

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Polishgunfan303@reddit

No, because if we were to say any gun looking like the STG is it's copy, every Roller-delayed rifle made by HK would be an STG Clone, every AR, etc. The Mechanisms are also different.
Subjective, but IMO Wz,93 Beryl[polska gurom]
Kinda hard to compare apples with cucumbers, but yes in many ways, and no in others.

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Swimming-Comedian282@reddit

AK-47 not a copy of the STG 44. the best AK is the AK-101 (I'm weird), the STG 44 is better than the MP-40

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GamesFranco2819@reddit

Low effort bait

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Maximum-Opportunity8@reddit

Is it true that the M-16 is a closer copy?

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CyberSoldat21@reddit

“Copy” implies it uses all of the same basic functions in a very similar layout. Like all the Gen 3 Glock copies on the market.

Being better than the MP40 depends on how you’re using it. If I’m a tanker or paratrooper or fighting in room to room combat I’d rather use the MP40. For more close to mid range combat I’d use the STG-44.

Best AK version? Probably the ones made outside of the Soviet bloc. For me it’s a toss up between Valmets or Norincos.

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Rockfish00@reddit

The stg44 and ak47 are not comparable beyond cartridge similarities and vague silhouette. Even then the 8mm kurz round was made to consolidate ammunition production by retrofitting 8mm mauser supply lines to produce their new smg round. Whereas the 7.62x39 round was built from the ground up to act as a self loading rifle round. I can't really take this debate seriously because it ultimately exists to downplay a legitimate success story from the Soviet Union and give it to the Nazis instead.

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Taolan13@reddit

No. The -100 series because of the counter-recoil system. No.

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domin_jezdcca_bobrow@reddit

Only what MP43/StG44 and AK47 have in common is that they use intermediate cartridge...

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Mountsorrel@reddit

StG 44 and MP40 fulfil different roles so you cannot say which is “better”. Is an MP5 better than an M16? It depends. If you had to pick only one to arm your infantry then you’d pick the StG but it was never intended to arm everyone with MP40s so that’s not a fair comparison.

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