Are universities in Balkan countries hard for students?
Posted by PotentialTall17@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 29 comments
I have friends from different Balkan countries. I realized that most of them were studying their majors for 6+ years (instead of 4) before graduating and getting their college degrees. Do you consider Balkan universities hard to finish?
Neckbeard_Sama@reddit
It's institution dependent, but if u fail some of the classes, you can't take them the next semester again and have to wait for next year + you can't take others that have them as a prerequisite either. It's pretty easy to extend a 3 - 3.5 year BSc degree to 5 years this way unintentionally.
VehicleOpposite1647@reddit
In Hungarian medical faculties more than 50% of internationals repeat a year (source: international student in Pécs, saw my classmates disappear really fast)
Haven't ever seen that ratio, seems that Hungarians have better statistics tho
Neckbeard_Sama@reddit
I went to Pécs also (IT/Engineering). Basically nobody finished our BSc in the normal 3.5 years (I've dropped out also ... :D)
Got2InfoSec4MoneyLOL@reddit
In our case up until recently you could take your sweet time, meaning you could go binge-drinking for a few semesters and have fun with your buddies so it was grand and you could finish whenever... In other cases people would sometimes work at the same time to support themselves so it would take a bit longer. In other cases certain modules were gated behind some other mandatory modules so in case you failed you couldn't move on etc. Also some people would occasionally pause to go and do their military service.
Nowadays you have up to 6 years to finish and the financial circumstance is such that there is less room for fucking around.
Some universities are hard indeed given their nature, others not so much.
ExtremeProfession@reddit
Actually yes, mostly because there's a mindset inherited from socialist times that universities are exclusive and quotas of graduates have to be set in order to prevent oversaturation. While the capitalist mindset would be to filter the students initially via an entrance exam or some other ranking criteria.
Passing rates are often low on exams, at least in STEM, sometimes having 0-5 students pass out of 100. In Western Europe this would lead to a revision of the course materials and professors competence to pass knowledge while here they often claimed that someone has to filter the students for reasons stated above.
It's quite a stressful experience knowing you did your best and it should've been enough for a very high mark but you end up failing the exams. Those courses tend to be concentrated on the lower years of your degree before electives chime in.
I can't even count how many exams I failed where I actually provided mostly correct answers. Then you end up passing the exam on your worst actual attempt, it's crazy.
But the quality of education ends up good as only students that have talent and perseverance or working habits to make up for it, actually end up graduating.
Others either drop out or switch to private unis to avoid the stress.
Efficient-Routine648@reddit
I really don't agree, I'm studying math and computer science and it feels like they let people through pretty easily for the most part. Like, I have colleagues who barely study and are super lazy who still make it through somehow..
Your first point is definitelly wrong (at least in Croatia), I went to high school with people who never studied and were "class clowns" and they all went to decent colleges (some of them went to bad colleges but mostly because they failed the matura the first time and couldn't get into what they wanted). Pretty much 80% of high school students go to or at least want to go to college in my experience, so it's very much oversaturated
About the passing rates, in my college it feels like people who don't pass usually didn't study at all and just wanted to cheat but they weren't able to. At the end they get many chances to fix their grade and end up passing somehow. Very rarely do "good" students who study often and do all the work actually end up failing
All of this is just my (probably biased) opinion btw
Enough_Eggplant_8100@reddit
sve jasno kolega ali komentar iznad govori o onome što se događa u BiH koja je mnogo lošije organizirana po pitanju visokog obrazovanja, i kao netko tko je studirao i u BiH i u HR u potpunosti se slažem s tim komentarom, a Hrvatska je iz mog iskustva studiranja mnogo uređenija i kvalitetnija država koja uz sve to pruža besplatno obrazovanje za razliku od BiH + nekvaliteta i manjak kadra na određenim ustrojbenim jedinicama.
DinoTh3Dinosaur@reddit
Hi, is this at the university of Zagreb by chance?
Efficient-Routine648@reddit
Nope, I'm in university of Osijek
Neckbeard_Sama@reddit
This was a thing in Hungary also, but I went to uni 15 years ago so I'm not sure how it is nowadays.
We had classes where only \~20 passed of the 300 ppl who took it (intrudoctory physics class in IT/Engineering BSc).
We also had to do unreal shit like programming in C++ on paper and if your otherwise correct solution missed a ";" accidentally, the teacher would just cross it out and give 0 points for it :)))
Austerlitz2310@reddit
The usual bachelor's is 3 years. Master's is 5.
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Law school was in a sense in was stressful and .. extensive
devjohn023@reddit
...you mean expensive 🫰 am I right :))?
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
Not really. I was on a budget, but i did study a lot.. in periods.. i would chill and go out and not study at all and then I would study for weeks from morning till night. Don’t recommend.
devjohn023@reddit
In Romania there's this university (spiru Haret) where every idiot goes and studies law school, and "pays" (bribes) his exams and at the end pays again some professor to pass the bachelor thesis/exam, then voila, lawyer on paper
True-Blacksmith4235@reddit
There are definitely private universities in Serbia, where tuition is paid by default. And the criteria is definitely “easier”. And of course some universities are always speculated as the ones you could straight up buy your degree.
H_nography@reddit
Not at all
Psychological_Wall_6@reddit
UAIC>USM.
H_nography@reddit
Any public university in Romania is better than any "elite" university in Moldova I'll be real here :) And I graduated here, I can say that.
Psychological_Wall_6@reddit
UAIC>USM>Ivy League
SerbianHustle@reddit
Not really.
It depends on the school. Things balance out accordingly in the end. For example, in Belgrade you have FON (named org sciences), which is notoriously hard to get into, and super easy to graduate once you are in, compared to other, bigger schools that share a lot of subjects you would study there but are considered more specialized and rigorous such as EKOF (econ faculty) and ETF (electrical engineering), where, like, half of people drop out after 2 years.
I believe criteria and rigor is diminishing every year, because they are facing lower admissions due to demographic factors and new trends in education, job market needs, shortening attention spans etc. Best or more prilviledged students are increasingly going to quality private schools (such as RAF) and exclusive programmes in english done in collab with foreign Unis, because they are better quality and give them a better networking potential. Just having a degree is useless now, compared to before. It is expected from you to make meaningful connections and find people that you can have mutually benefitting relationshilps with, for life, and not only careerwise. It is expected of you to be in leadership positions and run or be apart of things outside of your regular coursework. Just studying, passing by, and getting a degree gets you nowhere now.
There are also societal aspects here where people in general believe you should spend a lot of your best years having fun, doing nothing, taking more time for leisure. There is not that much pressure put on young people, especially the priviledged ones that would study in Belgrade. So, their parents support them to take a few months off, commit to less subjects per year, extend the pursuit of a 4 year degree to 5 or 6 years. Some even want to have higher GPA and they retake the classes to have better grades and extend their time spent in school. Some take MSc or something else postgrad because they can't find a job with a bachelors degree, and extend a 1 or 2yr degree to 3-5yrs. Some work and study, some chicks got pregnant, life happens etc, you get the idea. It is not like in the USA or western world where there is some expectation to graduate in a specific timeframe, it is more of a thing that you are expected to finish, and taking extra year or two is generally considered fine and not looked down upon if other things are fine.
Also, looking back, coming from less developed part of Serbia, things were hard for me in the begining I believe due to being not academically mature for Uni, my highschool was bullshit, and I was extremely brainrotted coming into Uni, so it was hard to make connections and grasp concepts quickly. Towards the end school became easy for me. So, also, expect that public high school education in Serbia is shitty on avarage, people leave high school dense and dumb as fuck, so reality hits them hard at Uni.
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
No. In the old days, you finished exams in 4,5 years and then you waited because life was good. You were young, you were eating with vouchers, could get money via student work, rents were cheap... Good old times.
Now they study little longer but student life got trimmed because of austerity measures, but if you are smart, you can still have great time, travel the world and extend your youth.
Inkvirent@reddit
Hell naw lol, in medicine unis and in law schools professors find it more important that you know how to recite all the latin phrases and names from memory than if you would actually be a good jurist or a doctor, socialist mentality like somebody else here mentioned
Loopbloc@reddit
Easier than in Europe, and it is already easy to study in Europe.
birdperson2006@reddit
Balkans are in Europe.
birdperson2006@reddit
They are in Turkey.
beekeepah@reddit
If you can memorize text and regurgitate it on the exam day, then no.
cewap1899@reddit
Well in Slovenia if you want to get a master’s degree in most faculties you’ll need at least 5 years (3 for bachelor’s and 2 for master’s). Most people also take at least one year “off” (not exactly off since you still keep your status as a student and all the benefits), either to finish their thesis or just to enjoy student life for at least one more year.
I wouldn’t say our universities are any more hard than in other countries. I think they are pretty good nonetheless and offer quality education. Of course some faculties are harder than others. I doubt you can say studying at the faculty of social sciences is as hard as faculties of medicine or engineering.
SolivagantWalker@reddit