FAMAS Patents and Schematics
Posted by SadCalligrapher5218@reddit | ForgottenWeapons | View on Reddit | 12 comments
I have looked everywhere I could think of to try and find the schematics and patents for the FAMAS F1 but have so far come up short. Can anyone point me in the right direction on where I could find these?
gentsuba@reddit
Here's a treasure of pics and schematics for the famas. https://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/FAMAS/
I'll check the book of Jean Huon on the Famas for the Patents.
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
WOW! That is extensive thank you!
I have tried searching everywhere I could think of online but so far all I can seem to find are the manual and snippet pictures from various people disassembling the FAMAS. I would think finding the patents and technical diagrams would be easy seeing as the thing has been out since the late 70's.
gentsuba@reddit
I didn't find any reference in Jean Huon's book and a quick research in french didn't bring anything apart from third party optics mounts on the european patent office and other databases.
Found this however,good luck https://archives.saint-etienne.fr/histoires-stephanoises-1/tranches-dhistoire/guerre-et-batiments-militaires/manufacture-nationale-darmes
Copyright For schematic pictures used in the book are either MAS (manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Etienne) or Nexter.
Maybe check with Ian book on French Rifles if you have one
Brown_Colibri_705@reddit
I have Ian's book and it's not anywhere near in-depth enough to even touch on patents or schematics.
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
I find patents in general are difficult to locate most times due to corporate secrecy, so no fault on Ian. I mean even searching the titling of patents its clear that patent attorneys purposefully try to hide their clients' patents in legalese.
gentsuba@reddit
FOUND IT!
I looked up with the name of the head engineer Paul TELLIÉ of the Armement works (bureau d'armement) of the design office of the MAS. I've use the official french patent website to do so.
https://data.inpi.fr/brevets/FR2276551?q=Paul%20tellie#FR2276551
This webpage wasn't super useful but by clicking on the hyperlink to the european patent office i managed to get patent schematics
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/009120360/publication/GB1468960A?q=pn%3DGB1468960
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/009120131/publication/GB1472914A?q=pn%3DGB1472914
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/009120371/publication/US3938422A?q=Tellie%20paul
Also important is Alain COUBES, he was in charge of the ergonomy of the FAMAS. So you may try digging there even if i didn't found anything on the french or European patent office
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
BINGO! Thank You!
Looking through the French docs I was actually able to locate the english versions easy enough. And again, they were titled in such a manner that searching for the FAMAS would make it super difficult to locate.
Here's the associated patents for Paul E. Tellie. Funny that I don't see anything for Alain Coubles though.
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Paul+E.+Tellie&sort=new
gentsuba@reddit
Aaaaand i've missed what i was looking for in the Jean Huon book,it has a page of patents with numbers and dates.
So i'll copy the page almost all of them are of Paul Tellié but 1 are for the inertia lever.
29 january 1973 patent FR 2 215 600 "culasse a lateralité variable" whatever it means
29 May 1973 FR 2 231 934 floating barrel.
29 May 1973 FR 2 231 935 brass deflector.
29 May 1973 FR 2 231 938 safety lever and fire selector.
1 June 1973 FR 2 231 936 bullpup configuration and grenade launching sights.
" " "" FR 231 937 Inertia lever and close up safety.
" " "" FR 231 940 folding Bipods.
" " "" FR 231 941 adjustable front sight.
" " "" FR 231 942 adjustable rear sight.
" " "" FR 231 943 Night Front Sight.
21 May 1974 FR 279 060 Recoil Absorber.
25 June 1974 FR 276 551 upgraded Brass Deflector.
9 August 1984 FR 2 568 994 Upgrade of the Inertia Lever made by James Cukrowski,Jean Minaire,Maurice Pend.
For some reasons after that the list repeat itself from FR 2 231 937 to FR 2 2 568 994 with the same dates and names.
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
You honestly have gone way over board finding all these, thank you.
Looking these up now shows that the US patent system has Tellie listed in several different ways oddly enough:
https://patents.google.com/?assignee=paul+tellie&oq=paul+tellie
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Paul+E.+Tellie
https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Paul+Emile+Francois+Tellie
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
Following up, still haven't found a source for the patents, but interestingly I did find a FAMAS reference model from the FOSSCAD community. No idea how accurate this thing is but if you have a CAD software handy this thing is pretty neat!
Black Lotus Coalition: FAMAS Reference Model
SadCalligrapher5218@reddit (OP)
You are a gentleman and a scholar. I couldn't even find that site when googling MAS and going to Nexter only brings up a corporate page with little info on small arms (seems they are focused more on larger vehicle and munition systems these days).
I've tried searching the USPTO thinking maybe they would have submitted their patents to them during their initial production, but maybe they didn't since there wasn't really any major civilian market runs only importations and in small numbers most likely after the patents elapsed.
Thank you for your help kind stranger.
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