Balkaners, why do you think Israelis on social media are very hostile towards Turks and support Far right parties?
Posted by Ok-Demand8957@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 86 comments
I am asking this here , because I want some answers, that I probably wouldn't get if asked them. It's just a thing that I have been seeing. They say things like "deport them all from Europe" or something . Why do you think
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Israelis don't support countries and political affiliations that want to exterminate them. Hardly a surprise.
insitnctz@reddit
Sad to see a fellow Greek behaving like a zionist bot.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Sad to see a fellow Greek buying Goebbels's ideology.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Israel is living by Goebbel’s ideology. How can you defend what is so obviously a genocide?
XenophonSoulis@reddit
There is no such thing as "so obviously" when you have no evidence whatsoever. Unless you are Goebbels of course.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Denying the genocide? Despicably evil.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I've already asked you for evidence and you've failed to provide any. That's a level above being disingenuous. It's straight up lying.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
As you’ve clearly already denied the widely available evidence you no doubt would’ve seen, I don’t see the point of wasting time finding links to evidence that you’ll simply continue to deny. In school, I struggled to understand how the Nazis were able to carry out the Holocaust. Now, when I find people like you denying, deflecting and defending the ongoing horror in Gaza, I am equally dumbfounded. I truly hope you learn to value human life one day.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
That's the common way of saying that you have no evidence whatsoever. Sorry pal, I don't walk with Goebbels-style baseless accusations.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Well, for starters:
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/01/1145937
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/6/12/un-report-israel-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza
https://www.hrw.org/report/2024/12/19/extermination-and-acts-genocide/israel-deliberately-depriving-palestinians-gaza
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/14/israels-warfare-methods-in-gaza-consistent-with-genocide-un-committee
https://aohr.org.uk/un-report-accuses-israel-of-genocide-in-gaza-through-systematic-destruction-of-reproductive-health-services
https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/publications/genocide-in-gaza
https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Ah, Al-Jazeera. When your "journalists" hold hostages, you are disqualified as a source. This is a good way to set the tone for the quality of your "sources" given the quality of the rest of them.
Keep in mind the UN profits from through-UN aid, so they can't accept independent aid. You should look up who the actual citizens blame for their situation.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
You’re sick. I hope you get well soon.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Being called sick by nazis for pushing against nazism is a new low, but unfortunately one that I fully expected.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
You’re ill. Please seek help. No sane human can excuse or defend the horrific crimes Israel is committing against civilians in Gaza.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
The "crimes" that live in your imagination, mind you. While you ignore the dozens of hostages that have spent almost TWO YEARS in captivity, held by the terrorist organisation that you support.
I thought your dirty clan had been eradicated in Nuremberg. It turns out I was wrong.
insitnctz@reddit
People like you are the reason why we go from bad to worse every 4 years.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
People who don't jump on the hypetrain of nazistic accusations? You're outing yourself bad here.
insitnctz@reddit
Which stand true?
Even denying what is happening right now on Palestine shows your level.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Quick reminder that you and everyone else in this thread have been completely unable to provide any evidence at all
insitnctz@reddit
You can Google it, if you know how to use it.
But I reckon you can cope better if you stay on your informational bubble, while consuming zionist propaganda.
You can deny everything, even live statements of Netanyahu if that keeps you in piece. I'd still judge you though because you also vote for my country.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Oops! Here come the personal attacks to hide the fact that there is no evidence! Goebbelian tactic after Goebbelian tactic... It's shameful that your kind survived WW2 and the Nuremberg trials.
insitnctz@reddit
My kind? If I don't support zionists I don't support nazis either.
They are the same thing.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Again, no evidence whatsoever. It's funny how nazis always go into collapse mode when they are asked to provide evidence for their claims...
insitnctz@reddit
You want evidence?
OK I realized I'm wasting time to a person that can't use critical thinking. You watch all these videos, images and articles about Gaza and you still ask for evidence? Gaza is an open air prison right now, people literally die from man made famine similar to holodomor. Refugees camps are bombed every other day with tens of literally children dying(there are videos in every media BTW and you deny them for christ sake). Gaza is leveled, not one single building standing and you want evidence?
Christ sake man, I don't even believe you are Greek anymore. You have to be israeli.
Oh and BTW quit that stupid narrative. Judea is not zionism. You can love jews and be against zionists. If you are against zionists, a death cult that terrorizes people since 1948, abducts, rapes, kills and tortures palestinians, that doesn't mean you are nazi for christ almighty. You can't be that dense really.
You know that not every jew is a zionist and not every white is a nazi right? Or is it too hard for you to comprehend it? Or you want evidence for that too?
I am 100% sure that you are clueless as fuck about zionism and haven't read a single book about it. When it started, why etc. You just repeat a rhetoric and ask for evidence for known, documented facts for christ sake.
hmtk1976@reddit
No, they want to do the exterminating themselves.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Prove this.
hmtk1976@reddit
Unless you´re blind it´s all over the news.
XenophonSoulis@reddit
I asked for proof, not nazi whistleblows.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
So you think generalising all of them is a solution?
XenophonSoulis@reddit
Despite the obvious implications that you're accusing others of your own wrongdoings, there is a very good answer to this: they don't have the luxury to try to find the hypothetical exceptions from these groups that don't want to exterminate them for the same reason that they didn't have the luxury to look for hypothetical "good nazis" in the 1930s. Survival tends to go before moral sensitivities.
desertedlamp4@reddit
Our government called current Israli government worse than Hitler
Background-Noise-918@reddit
Words and actions are different. Erdogan plays to the right 🐺 to stay in power to avoid jail
desertedlamp4@reddit
He says that because that's what Turkish people want to hear
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
Because Turkey is very anti Israel since 2010 and Erdogan constantly keep attacking them calling them as "terror regime etc "
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Based Turkey
LowCranberry180@reddit
They see as rivals.
My worry is that some powers are really preparing to "deport us to Mongolia". Given that most neighbours do not like us an extended Balkan War 3 but this time Israel Armenia etc. included is a possibility.I am afraid.
DoNotMakeEmpty@reddit
IIRC Armenia is actually not that hostile against us at the moment, since Greater Israel also includes some portions of Armenia.
LowCranberry180@reddit
do not thınk so
outlanderfhf@reddit
How does Greater Israel include pieces of Armenia, thats not even the Levant anymore
ayayayamaria@reddit
Azerbaijan got a corridor out of Armenia with the grace of the US and y'all are still whining
BestZucchini5995@reddit
Correction: with the grace of Russia that abandoned them! There you go...
ayayayamaria@reddit
Russia didn't oversee that deal, and that's not the point I'm making
BestZucchini5995@reddit
That deal was made possible and facilitated by the Russian abandon, in the last round of the Armenian-Azerbaijan war, however you're choosing to look at.
ayayayamaria@reddit
Yes, and? Does this change the US's role?
Shogolarotx@reddit
What whining
maria_paraskeva@reddit
"What does Y thinks of Х thinks of Z"
Most of us don't care how others perceive an Islamic MENA country that barely has anything to do with the Balkans
godessPetra_K@reddit
I don’t bother myself with Israelis online because the moment I find out they are Israeli I simply just block them.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Wise man
MaximumRevolution450@reddit
I mean fuck those cocksuckers.
When a Turk’s attitude for an Israeli is like this, why would they be kind to us? Especially considering they feel entitled to everything and we give them shit on anything.
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Fuck Israel
YetiDerSchneemensch@reddit
Because most Israelis are insanely racist?
NoStick9983@reddit
As you know from history, Europe already deported all the Jews from Europe — they were quite ‘successful’ at that. So instead of the Israelis advising Europe, maybe they should be advising the Turks, because the Europeans clearly already have enough experience in that area.
FoxFort@reddit
My view on Turkey vs Israel:
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
Ain't gonna happen
FoxFort@reddit
Ah come on, they are bad mouthing you. Don't let it happen. Just do it. Come on. Don't be afraid. Don't be scared. Just do it.
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
Nah , it's better to be audience rather than participant , so Ukraine vs Russia is joyful to watch🤣
ShitassAintOverYet@reddit
This is hardly a Balkan question but whatever.
Capital-Ad-3795@reddit
lol. Turkey is only “vocally against” Israel’s actions. in reality, Turkey is an ally of Israel both politically and economically. everybody knows this, even the most stupid Israeli.
LibertyChecked28@reddit
Turkey isn't a religiously driven monolith who's international politics boil down to singular tunnel vision commitment of sort of ideology/relavation even at the cost of self-destruction.
As much as Erdogan gets meme'd he remains a proper politician that would first and foremost choose whatever option is beneficial, and then would seek ways to exploit the system for personal gain.
Turkey is the only country in Europe that can sell weapons to Ukraine and buy Russian gas on discount, the only country that can support Putin against American Interests in the Middle East and receive brownie points from the West for that.
Only-Dimension-4424@reddit
Because we are the wild card of nato and big boss(America) know/ this and they tolerate
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
The loudest ones are going to be on social media. A lot of Israelis have been groomed with the story about Israel/promised land from childhood - it’s almost their entire religion.
They can be really, really cunty about that. Like unbelievably, stick-in-their-ass cunty about it. It should come as no surprise they portray themselves to be the democratic country in the Middle East amongst savages (Muslims).
“Deport them all” is something they feel towards the Palestinians and Palestine (though actually probably something more severe), but they’ll extend the feeling to any Muslims really.
They got a huge control issue and it results in them voting for the same parties that were the first to exterminate them. Sad.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
If an Israeli said on social Media that 0 Turks should be in Western Europe, is he against All Turks as an ethnic group
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
Yes. “No Turks in Western Europe” = Turks are an uncivilized, barbaric people incapable of change and should keep their filthy asses amongst the rest of the unworthy roaches in Turkey.
He’s probably against every Muslim person regardless of what kind of person they are.
I’ve met people like the guy you’re describing before in real life. They are unbelievably rage-baity and know exactly what to say to piss you off.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
Is he even against Christian or Secular ones?
Cute-Passage-9741@reddit
Christian Turkish people are almost non existent due to purposeful politics of the Turkish Republic. They genocided and kicked Armenians and Greeks out to create an Islamic paradise.
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
In his mind Turks cannot be Christian and secular ones are still “stained”.
I’m assuming here. Idk what’s in his mind. Also, it’s fair to note the historical minority of Christian Turks is very, very tiny.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
what do you mean by “stained”?
BestZucchini5995@reddit
How can Israelis vote for parties from foreign countries? Did your mind dumped you :)?
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
Didn’t mean it like that - Jews in other countries vote for the same parties that would have went after them years ago and Israelis don’t see anything wrong with that.
Majestic_Bus_6996@reddit
i have never seen that. In general i don't bother myself with israelis online.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
I have on Instagram. I just wanted your opinion
harvestt77@reddit
Why don't you check where you see it? It looks like you are trying to stir some shit in your neighbor's house...
tipoftheiceberg1234@reddit
Didn’t mean it like that - Jews in other countries vote for the same parties that would have went after them years ago and Israelis don’t see anything wrong with that.
sjedinjenoStanje@reddit
Maybe because Turks, among other Muslims, tend to be antisemitic and that usually translates into hating Israel.
I have not seen a preponderance of Israelis supporting far-right parties. Those supporting far-right parties tend to be anti-immigrant Europeans.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
I mean, there was an Israeli on Instagram that said 0 Turks should be in Western Europe while he was an immigrant in Germany himself. Why do you think he said that? And why do you think European far right parties(AFD, RN known for racism etc) support Israel at times and many pro Afd people were following him on social media
sjedinjenoStanje@reddit
Do you see your problem yet?
BestZucchini5995@reddit
"Bijo" getting Instagram access ;)?!
bosnanic@reddit
Because Turkey is the only power in the middle east that can actually sway geo-politics against Israel and is very open in supporting Palestine so in-turn they bash Turkish people and try to get people online to dislike Turks.
It's a not well kept secret Israel has one of the largest internet bot farms in the world even outmatching Russia. Probably 80% of those comments you see on social media are bots.
Yaamo_Jinn@reddit
Accurate Israeli bots
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
It was a real person with a profile pick and posts. He was following far right parties and advocating ethnic deportation, despite Jews almost fully exterminated by the European far right. If anything the Ottomans (of course I don't like them) were better for Jews.
idis838392@reddit
Well we arent so nice to israelis either so i dont complain.
BestZucchini5995@reddit
Thanks, Ataturkopoulos ;), it's nice from time to time hearing truth from Bosphorus side, especially given our former relationship...
red-panda-returns@reddit
Because they are psychopaths. It cannot be explained logically.
Ok-Demand8957@reddit (OP)
Decades of inbreeding it seems
BestZucchini5995@reddit
Nothing more suited to speak about inbreeding than a Gruzin... ;)
mssarac@reddit
How do you not know yet that Israelis are N*zis?