Israel kills Al Jazeera journalist it says was Hamas leader
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I_Am_Become_Dream@reddit
This is my will and my final message.
If my words reach you, know that Israel has succeeded in killing me and silencing my voice. First, peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you.
God knows that I have given all my effort and strength to be a support and a voice for my people since I opened my eyes to life in the alleys and streets of Jabalia refugee camp. My hope was that God would grant me life to return with my family and loved ones to our original town of Ashkelon (Al-Majdal), occupied land. But God’s will was swifter, and His decree is binding.
I lived pain in all its details, tasted grief and loss repeatedly, yet I never hesitated to convey the truth as it is—without distortion or falsification—hoping God would bear witness against those who remained silent, those who accepted our killing, those who besieged our breaths, and whose hearts were not moved by the shattered bodies of our children and women, nor did they stop the massacre our people have faced for more than a year and a half.
I entrust you with Palestine, the jewel of the Muslim world and the pulse of every free heart in this world. I entrust you with its people, with its innocent children who were not granted the time to dream or live in safety and peace. Their pure bodies were crushed under thousands of tons of Israeli bombs and missiles, torn apart, their remains scattered on the walls.
I urge you not to let chains silence you, nor borders restrain you. Be bridges toward liberating the land and the people until the sun of dignity and freedom rises over our stolen homeland.
I entrust you with my family. I entrust you with the apple of my eye, my beloved daughter, Sham, whom fate did not allow me to see grow as I dreamed.
I entrust you with my dear son, Salah, whom I wished to support and accompany until he grew strong, carrying my burden and continuing the mission.
I entrust you with my beloved mother, whose prayers were the reason I reached where I did. Her supplications were my fortress, and her light my path. I pray God to ease her heart and reward her abundantly on my behalf.
I also entrust you with my lifelong companion, my beloved wife, Umm Salah Bayan, from whom war separated us for long days and months, but who remained faithful, steadfast like an olive tree trunk that never bends, patient and devout, carrying the trust in my absence with strength and faith.
I urge you to gather around them and be their support after God Almighty. If I die, I die steadfast on my principles, bearing witness to God that I am satisfied with His decree, believing in meeting Him, and certain that what is with God is better and everlasting.
O God, accept me among the martyrs, forgive my past and future sins, and make my blood a light that illuminates the path to freedom for my people and family.
Forgive me if I fell short, and pray for me mercy, for I have remained true to the covenant, never changing or betraying it.
Do not forget Gaza… And do not forget me in your good prayers for forgiveness and acceptance. Anas Jamal Al-Sharif 06.04.2025
This is what Anas ordered to be published upon his martyrdom.
apropo@reddit (OP)
Thank you for sharing this beautiful message from Anas Al Sharif.
I hope his words fill you with a similar power I now feel.
Rest in Power beautiful man.
HockeyHocki@reddit
A disgusting fiend that celebrated the butchering of innocent people, he can rot in hell
https://imgur.com/a/F9Jf2h6
ilimlidevrimci@reddit
Even if that was true, it still wouldn't make him a legitimate target. Especially not in that tent, along with all Al Jazeera reporters.
PenguinsInvading@reddit
He had a channel of 120k in Telegram all Arabic. Checked Oct 7 and there's no mention of what you just posted. Besides, considering there is a view count below the message, it's a channel post. Channel posts in Telegram do not show the profile picture. You can activate an option just to show the username next to the view count.
There are also numerous channels with botted views. Basically overinflating the actual people seeing your post.
You need to provide more evidence.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Pls send me the link to that telegram channel you checked
Stubbs94@reddit
Seems legit. Amazing how it's all in English and not translated...
SowingSalt@reddit
Love how the guy uses his final message to advocate against the 2 State Solution.
platp@reddit
You mean the forever killing of Palestinians by terrorists? No thank you. No devil Israel state can be allowed to exist anymore. The two state solution may have fooled some people before the genocide but no more. No more concessions to the devil itself.
SowingSalt@reddit
I see the eternal war advocates are out in force. The Jews learned the lesson that they have to take defense in their own hands, or they are permanently at risk.
platp@reddit
The jews as you call them deserve any repercussion they get just like any other nation doing every crime against humanity to defenseless people would. Be ready, Israel will fall. And it will be a glorious day for humanity. No despicable person can claim superiority over others and no despicable person can be immune to the justice of humanity.
p4intball3r@reddit
Whomp whomp. Another friend of the late crater dweller Yahya Sinwar is dead. I will mourn his death the same way he mourned the deaths of thousands as they were being slaughtered on Oct. 7 and he was publically celebrating.
Anyway, where's a good place to get a bottle of champagne
platp@reddit
Be a thorn in their throat, a flood that knows no retreat, and do not rest until the world acknowledges that we are the rightful owners and that we are not just numbers in the news.
We will be a thorn in the throats of child killers and rapist defenders. We will be a flood that knows no retreat against enemies of humanity.
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
I'd call you a kiddy fiddler but that's not much of an insult for someone who openly lusts for the blood of Palestinian children
apropo@reddit (OP)
Yet more journalists Israel has slaughtered with impunity and thin claims of "intelligence and documents found in Gaza as evidence."
We need neutral peackeeping forces in Gaza and the West Bank ASAP.
epochpenors@reddit
Don’t worry, I’m sure some right wing Israeli media company will all of the sudden have proof that he was a terrorist all along and this was 100% justified. Obviously you can’t see the evidence, don’t be ridiculous.
860v2@reddit
Or you can just go read his Telegram channel.
HourEast5496@reddit
Did and there was nothing that says be was kHuMaAs. On the contrary, he had clearly said he had no political affiliation with anyone but with the truth and his people.
Israel is known to lie and manipulate, among foes and friends.
860v2@reddit
You’re either lying or you didn’t look at it. Either way, not a good look.
Just on his Telegram: pictures with Sinwar, calling the October 7th terrorists “heroes”, attending Hamas rallies, etc.
HourEast5496@reddit
I am not israeli or zionist. Thank God.
Says the genociders and thieves.
Nope! None of that is in his telegram account. I had been following him since early 2020, and he did none of that. You people can fake anything and everything, it won't exonerate you from the crimes against humanity, and your lot is already down in the history next to Nazis.
860v2@reddit
Uh oh
https://imgur.com/a/rSNizi9
HourEast5496@reddit
Sure! Fake pics posted on imgur definitely are evidence. I believe eviddence coming from oebbels.
860v2@reddit
Nope, they’re from his Telegram. Nice cope, though.
HourEast5496@reddit
1: Telegram never ever post dates, month and year under the messages. Just the time stamp message was sent.
2: Anas never wrote in English, and Telegram does not offer a translation option.
Lie better and make better fake screen shots, zio.
justgalsbeingpals@reddit
ohh, like clockwork
860v2@reddit
Great argument.
justgalsbeingpals@reddit
just pointing out the obvious
860v2@reddit
The only thing you’ve accomplished is shown that you have no argument.
lethalshawerma@reddit
I would rather you let us read yours, I'm sure we could find something between your daily routine of chanting death to all arabs and celebrating beheaded children.
chdjfnd@reddit
Is there any evidence you would accept as justification?
TheCitizenXane@reddit
Real evidence preferably.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Al Sharif was exposed last year already. His name, payment records, phone number and whatnot were all in Hamas records where he was listed as a member of the Jabaliya battalion
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/hjiotyul1x
Published in October of last year. Obviously it's totally normal for Hamas to keep those kinds of records of a simple journalist /s
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
Ynet is Israeli propaganda and they didn't actually give any evidence, they just said trust us
Personal-Web-8365@reddit
Hey, they made that claim, so they are under no obligation to bring substantial evidence. Infact YOU have to disprove their claim, and YOU have to disprove their claim! The burden of proof now lies upon you, antisemite!
Thats how it works with Israelis nowadays it seems.
Independent-Report39@reddit
Works both ways. No one has seen the documents or proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the death toll in Gaza is what Hamas says it is, but many choose to believe it. In the fog of war you don’t know what’s true or not, you have to just analyze the evidence as best as you can and use your own judgment. Rational people can come to different conclusions.
Ambitious_Change150@reddit
Literally the prime example of Hasbara.
If they can’t find a way to twist a situation or a narrative to their favor, they’ll just straight up start lying and hoping that the amount of commenters they pay for will be enough to make whatever message they want sound true
re_carn@reddit
Wow, so unlike this: Killing of Rouzan al-Najjar - Wikipedia.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Who are the wounded on the front lines she was a human shield for?
Coastalfoxes@reddit
Now that your "front lines" allegation has been exposed as a total red herring...
Why did the IDF fabricate video if they had actual proof that killing her was justified? Don't you think that's at least a little suspicious?
(I mean, let's be clear, I know you are not trying to argue honestly. You start from the premise that any killing of a Palestinian is justified, and just work your way back from that, fabricating whatever lies you need to.)
re_carn@reddit
These are women, children, and teenagers - for some reason, they are the ones who are dying en masse on the front lines as a result of Israel's actions.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
On the front lines?
Doubt.
re_carn@reddit
How else would you call the places that Israel is bombing?
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
The "front line" is the position where opposing armed forces are directly engaged in conflict.
re_carn@reddit
Well, in that case, the Israeli armed forces are engaged in conflict with civilians. Therefore, the victims (and those who need to be shielded) are civilians.
Check_Me_Out-Boss@reddit
Does Hamas wear uniforms?
re_carn@reddit
Why don't you just say what you're trying to prove? That Israel did the right thing by killing her? For some reason, I wouldn't be surprised by that.
YeeYeeAssha1rcut@reddit
Can’t really be any frontline either when this isn’t really a war.
_Snebb_@reddit
You have to be braindead not to question evidence presented by the ITF.
Especially when said 'evidence' is full of basic and obvious grammatical and spelling mistakes, that even I can recognise with little Arabic, never mind that it allegedly came out from a population with 98% literacy rate.
"Theereee is a liisssssstttttt".
NeonArlecchino@reddit
I know what IOF stands for, but what does ITF stand for?
cut_rate_revolution@reddit
My guess, Israeli Terror Force.
MrCharmingTaintman@reddit
They said real evidence. Like for example those payment and ‘Hamas records’ with his name and phone number in it you claim exist. Not just an article.
Aiolion@reddit
Typical disgusting smear campaign by the IDF that had been ongoing because he was exposing IDF war crimes. He was a great journalist that did the dangerous reporting no one dared, and he got murdered for it. History will expose Israel and the IDF for what they are: nazi war criminals.
threethousandblack@reddit
Time travel?
CricketJamSession@reddit
Aka "only evidence that supports my narrative"
DaPlum@reddit
You mean like when Israel says its not committing genocide despite all evidence to the contrary?
CricketJamSession@reddit
No i mean like this exact example when you all wish to pretend there is no sufficient evidence
DaPlum@reddit
Literally everybody not named Israel and the united states disagrees with you
Ala117@reddit
Sums up the zionists perfectly.
CricketJamSession@reddit
Yet you two demonstrate that in here perfectly
Ala117@reddit
Only in your imagination.
chdjfnd@reddit
Thats not very specific
TheCitizenXane@reddit
Evidence that isn’t imagined.
chdjfnd@reddit
So what would you consider “real evidence”
TheCitizenXane@reddit
The truth.
chdjfnd@reddit
What if the truth is that he was involved with Hamas?
Elman89@reddit
Then there'd be real evidence that they can present to the world.
deethy@reddit
Does that mean a death sentence even if it were true? Is there proof of him harming anyone? How many IDF soldiers walk around with lists of deaths on their souls?
Ell2509@reddit
It is a fair question. I have heard kt said that Israel is a repeat offender when it comes to making big loud proclamations that are quietly retracted later, though.
But I don't know much about kt all tbh.
chdjfnd@reddit
😴
HourEast5496@reddit
Anything that is not provided by the known liars and genociders.
DaPlum@reddit
Evidence corroborated by third parties not named the untied states.
Nice__Spice@reddit
Maybe allow real journalists into Gaza as opposed to certain ones that get a Disney tour ride.
BrutalistLandscapes@reddit
Hamas, Al Qassam, and their affiliates would likely attempt to kidnap some of them. They're the bad guys. Team IDF are the good guys, and good guys always win.
TraditionalGap1@reddit
What are you, five? Evil guys win all the time
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Ragebait used to be believable
Freethecrafts@reddit
Giving live information on positions would qualify as intelligence sharing. Having a press jacket does not save anyone.
Needed the UN between them before Hamas invaded. Hell, they should have shot down the rockets themselves.
Ala117@reddit
Lick that bibi shoe some more.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Netanyahu has no good cause to start a counter offensive less October 7th. Holding hostages only perpetuates that just cause.
Ala117@reddit
Which is why you like the taste of his shoe, and why you support the drivel that any person your heroes murder is khamas.
Freethecrafts@reddit
War is war. Don’t pick fights.
Ala117@reddit
The thing this vile pos callls "war" and "picking fights".
Freethecrafts@reddit
The worst mischaracterization of what’s going on in Palestine is less bad than the general form of regional war. Very hard to hold Israelis to a standard that nobody would hold the rest to. Reference: Sauds in Yemen, Sauds beheading tribes building their kingdom and in Yemen, Erdogan using artillery on civilians with no warning in Syria, warlords in Syria, Assad in Syria with nerve gas and torture, Warlords in Sudan, Warlords in Ethiopia, Iran everywhere in the region. What’s the gold standard in the region who Israel should copy?
Letting disabled people starve is on their guardians. Choosing to martyr to somehow prove Israelis are doing whatever is nonsense. You need both lack of food because of someone and not a general consequence of war, lack of trade. Israel let in more food than is remotely necessary, distribution is on whatever government.
Also, starving a hostage while the guards are literally fat is proof of an actual warcrime.
Gubbinso@reddit
Maybe it's own gold standard of not only being the "most moral" army in the region but the "most moral" in the world. Clearly it fails to even be the most moral in the region.here is Bibi saying it.
Would the "only democracy in the middle East" with "most moral army in the world" need to ban all independent journalism in the territory it occupied? Genuinely ask yourself why they would repeatedly target aid workers and journalists if they had nothing to hide.
"Of the 378 aid workers killed worldwide since October 7, more than 75 percent have been killed in Gaza or the West Bank" source
"a disturbing pattern has emerged: Aid groups share their coordinates with Israeli authorities and then are attacked by the IDF at those same coordinates."
You mention other countries committing atrocities, why have 75% of all aid worker deaths happened in Gaza and West Bank? Why are there less aid worker deaths in those "less civilised" countries?
International Humanitarian Law: Rule 55. The parties to the conflict must allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian relief for civilians in need, which is impartial in character and conducted without any adverse distinction, subject to their right of control. Source
False. Even with Israel's own numbers, they didn't let any aid in in March and let in a fraction of the aid on May, June and July. Source They also outlawed the largest aid distributor in the region, UNRWA. Source
For you to be blind to all of this after reading my post is nothing less than your own willful ignorance.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Didn’t hear any answer for gold standard in all that.
“Journalists” because that’s likely a main hunting tactic of their enemy. Use such as scouts, then ambush. It’s also a warzone.
People being killed isn’t a charge. You need purposeful targeting of noncombatants by the people you oppose. People who die to the other side don’t count. People who die to a mob don’t count. You specifically need bad thing plus done by the people you don’t like.
Without looking at where your claim comes from, probably misrepresentation on your part, targeting by your preferred side to blame on Israel, and lack of active charity in the places with real problems.
Israel isn’t required to give any, yet they have. War comes first, military necessity beats everything. If you have food, take it to a checkpoint to be inspected for contraband, easy. Let me know when Egypt and Jordan open the borders.
Nope, all that matters is enough, not when. Have yet to see any actual stories that weren’t someone starving a disabled person on purpose or someone who thinks martyring themselves by not eating means it’s Israel’s fault. The amount of available aid per person just from Israel has been more than a ton. How long would it take you to eat a ton of food?
Gubbinso@reddit
>Israel isn’t required to give any, yet they have. War comes first, military necessity beats everything. If you have food, take it to a checkpoint to be inspected for contraband, easy. Let me know when Egypt and Jordan open the borders.
You are ignorant of International Humanitarian Law then. You didn't read any of what I typed out to you, did you? You haven't presented any evidence to back up any of your claims and I have sourced all of mine. You're defending a country that murders civilians and then blames hamas for it. A country that defends and encourages settler terrorism. A country that arms gangs and helps them steal aid. [source](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-accused-of-arming-palestinian-gang-who-allegedly-looted-aid-in-gaza)
>Let me know when Egypt and Jordan open the borders.
To support Ethnic Cleansing of 2million gazans?
>The amount of available aid per person just from Israel has been more than a ton. How long would it take you to eat a ton of food?
Let's look at those with more knowledge about humanitarian aid than you and I. More than 100 humanitarian organisations have condemned israel for using starvation as a weapon against Gazans. [Source](https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/palestine-as-mass-starvation-spreads-across-gaza-our-colleagues-and-communities-we-work-with-are-wasting-away/)
Freethecrafts@reddit
Your worst mischaracterization of Israelis isn’t even on parity with Palestinians. Nobody in the world believes if Israel had lost territory, say the West Bank, that the people clamoring for territorial integrity would be pushing for return. You’re living in a one sided logic where if the conditions were shifted your entire advocacy would shift.
Nope, to provide aid. Funny how it’s all Israel except everyone else too. There’s no shot Egypt lets in any more Palestinians, same with Jordan. They both fell for that trap before.
Netanyahu is literally going to ethnically cleanse Gaza with or without anyone else. Best case is he hands all of Hamas over to the PLO for execution then the former residents build a new refugee camp in PLO territory. Egypt letting people eat at a border isn’t exactly going to turn into Egypt accepting refugees. By the way, Egypt shoots them if they try to cross.
Just look at the numbers. This isn’t that hard. Literally over a ton per person just from Israel. Tell me how long it takes you to eat a ton…
It’s a publicity war with billions behind it. It’s oil money from the same people who pushed for Pan Arabism. The Palestinians are little more than a placeholder for “Islamic Lands”. If you can’t tell me anything about what the Sauds did and are doing in Yemen, or Iranian crimes, or the hundreds of thousands dead in Sudan, or give a gold standard for the region… you’re just bought in to a side.
Every time I look into starvation stories, it’s always the family or someone who thinks they’re going to martyr themselves to blame on Israel. It’s always done blatantly and in bad faith, never a retraction.
This would be a whole lot easier if you would stop editing.
No, bunch of bleeding hearts believing they’re in the right based solely on underdog rules wouldn’t surprise me. That’s everywhere.
Gubbinso@reddit
Source? Only about 10% of aid trucks are being passed through the borders.
Do any of those openly claim to be the "most moral army in the world" when criticised?
The message was edited 4 minutes after I initually posted it, you ignored most of my points as "mischaracterization" without refuting any of them. You have nothing to back up your claims, yet I am the one who is mischaracterizing. Poor propaganda parroting, you hardly believe it yourself.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Sure.
https://govextra.gov.il/cogat/humanitarian-efforts/main/
That’s a ton per person just on what has been tracked going in. So, either the local government isn’t working on making sure the people are fed or it’s all nonsense.
Sadly, Israel probably is the most moral of nations who actually fight wars. Erdogan would have gone right to artillery until everyone on the other side was dead. Sauds, beheadings. Iran, any kind of unguided munition pointed in the direction of civilians is their game plan.
No, you went to nuhuhs. You’re blatantly wrong on protections for anyone providing active front information to an opposing force, you’re an operative not a “journalist”. Notice you didn’t even consider what “protections” actually mean. At best it’s not picked as targets. You also didn’t attempt to address the range at which these altercations happen, making identification extremely unlikely, making targeting even less likely.
I think and know all of this. You’re the one dealing in one sided advocacy. If I switched the names of the parties, you would switch what you cared about. Israel is clearly the better party in all of this, they could probably go many times further before even coming close to others in the region.
Gubbinso@reddit
First of all, the IDF made sure there is no "local government" by systematically destroying most of gaza's infrastructure. Secondly, the data starts from March 2024. I can tell you hardly even looked at those statistics. Looking at the aid going in from march 2025, when the aid block started (food in brackets):
Since the blockade started, that is 109,854 tons of food aid being allowed into gaza. Nowhere near 1 ton per person.
From my earlier messages: "a disturbing pattern has emerged: Aid groups share their coordinates with Israeli authorities and then are attacked by the IDF at those same coordinates." 75% of all aid worker deaths worldwide from 2023 to present day were at the hands of the IDF.
Cool whataboutism. The reality is, you support a state that is actively murdering innocent children and targeting humanitarian aid workers directly after they identify themselves.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Israel is at war with the local government, at least the military and political arms.
I gave you the recent, you can use the same site to look at the rest. No need to make personal attacks over it. Lots of data from UNRW also. Notice you glossed over a ton per person in the recent.
Okay, and when I looked into the more famous kitchen one, the IDF had identified three people who were “guarding” the convoy who were tagged as enemy combatants. Not the best idea to kill an aid convoy for a few jihadis, but still fair. Nobody should be picking up local anything, guides, politicians, whatever. Best plan all along was to get the people to safer places to feed them, let the jihadis and Israel hammer it out in the old places. Moving convoys through war zones is crazy honorable, but also beyond risky.
Whataboutism is pointing to something outside the particular issue and saying not then, why now? I pointed exactly to the specific issue, to the other side in the conflict. You can’t defend your particular side so you reflexed to “whataboutism”, while getting the concept entirely wrong.
You support a side that regularly, for over seventy years, has tried to murder civilians. Their particular plan is murder everyone and steal everything. Your side is particularly bad, making cries for charity comical. Get the civilians out of the fight, let the angry adults kill each other.
Gubbinso@reddit
Good morning, hasbara bot.
You deflected to a hypothetical. That's whataboutism. I focus on the reality, that children are dying, multiple generations of families have been wiped out. I stand with humanity and justice, for you to deflect to a hypothetical situation while there is a crisis ongoing is disgusting and you should be ashamed.
You just described pro-Zionism settler terrorism, which Israel allows and encourages by giving laughably low sentences to murder against palestinians and theft of Palestinian property, among other things.
I have sourced every one of my claims, for this conversation to go anywhere, let's start with you sourcing yours.
Freethecrafts@reddit
No, there’s no whataboutism in what a side directly wrote down. That side being in the specific conflict. Your preferred side is explicitly genocidal, own up to it. Then justify it to make yourself feel better. Then I tell you how everyone had freedom of association at the end of the UK mandate. Then you have to tell me why they didn’t.
Sure, people die in war. People should get out of the way of militaries, let the angry arms of nations fight it out. Move the people to food, provide for them there.
Okay, so you don’t like the Israeli judicial system. The problem you’d find is the sentences are all pretty light in Israel for everyone. Israel doesn’t want to put people in prison and provide for prisoners. Advocate for longer sentences for everyone.
If you have an issue with a particular subsets of the Israeli population who have somehow made themselves active combatants, forward that to whatever military. Seems a fair military target. Far better than trying to kill the average Israeli civilian. That’s actually much better press and situationally justified. Robin Hood did a similar thing with black arrows, older versions anyways.
What in particular do you disagree with for which you want a source for this dialogue.
Gubbinso@reddit
What "side" have I advocated for? Innocent Palestinian civilians? Independent journalism? Humanitarian aid workers?
If you're thinking I side with Hamas, I don't. In fact, Hamas has been propped up by Israel since the 1970s to prevent legitimate Palestinian representation in Gaza. Source
Genocidal intent has been shown by both Israel and Palestine. Here's an example of Israel's. Do I support either side's calls for genocide? No.
That's the difference between you and I, you support one genocidal belief over the other. I support de-escalation, de-radicalisation, democracy, human rights and dignity.
Continue ignoring the fact the IDF and israel protect said subset from being held accountable for their actions.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Okay, then get the civilians away from combat areas. That should be the means to resolve your main issues.
Journalists dying is only important if there’s a higher than normal. You need to show that it’s not just normal deaths in combat areas, that those you claim are journalists didn’t step over the line to make themselves combatants.
Israel let some Qatari money pay the civilian staff and advocated for a charity group in the 1970’s. Current Hamas is a government that seized power after their politicians weren’t seated. It’s technically an ongoing civil war among two different groups of totalitarians. Hamas is the more militant, is backed by Iranian military support and a lot of jihadi money. PLO is much more peaceful and is backed by general peace money. PLO gets the taxes because they’re more or legitimate to the international community.
No doubt Israeli nationalists want a civil war in Palestine to continue. Better yet is one is far more militant and backed by extremists. Better still is one side commits a major act of war and war crime from which the Israeli nationalists can justify a war.
No, I support crazy people fighting in a far off field away from civilized people. If that can’t be done, I say separate the people from the crazy people. Then everyone can bet on and support whomever in the fight to get it over with faster.
If you want deradicalization, going to be a long road. The general population of Gaza supports acts of war, acts of genocide, before and now. So long as people keep attacking Israel, Israel is going to keep starting counter offensives…which seem to always win.
Gubbinso@reddit
Ignoring your implication that journalists' lives are unimportantant unless they die in large enough numbers for you, this has already happened.
"The war in Gaza has, since October 7, 2023, killed more journalists than the U.S. Civil War, World Wars I and II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War (including the conflicts in Cambodia and Laos), the wars in Yugoslavia in the 1990s and 2000s, and the post-9/11 war in Afghanistan, combined." Source
This will be my last message to you, I won't waste any more time typing to a hasbara bot.
Freethecrafts@reddit
No, larger than justified is the standard. You can’t just declare it. It’s a charge you’re making against a country.
More than ever doesn’t matter. Artillery war with “journalists” on the front lines is a different kind of war. Civil war has “journalists” maybe talking to a general in a tent somewhere, far fewer of them too.
That’s fine. I’m sure you’re very busy. Good luck backing the genocide side.
Ala117@reddit
Tldr: the bibi shoe is already being digested.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Fight the arguments, not the individual. Failure to address is on you.
Ala117@reddit
Bibi's shoes are in you.
Freethecrafts@reddit
That doesn’t make sense outside of some very poor regional sayings.
Ala117@reddit
Bibi's shoes tate any less good to you, i know.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Of the two sides, Israel is clearly better. Nobody would choose to emigrate to Gaza. Lots of people choose to emigrate to Israel. Palestinians keep starting wars they can’t fight, lose over and over despite following none of the war conventions. Israel has issues, but is clearly the gold standard of the region.
Ala117@reddit
eating settler boots now?
Bibi's shoes are tasty enough for you to ignore and justify them.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Israel is easily better. Your preferred side literally wants to genocide every Israeli, Arab or not. You can’t find a link that equates the two, much less helps your position.
Clearly a better side. Actual civilization with innovation and ethics, against dictatorships, warlords, and explicitly genocidal terrorists.
Ala117@reddit
"much better" huh?
Your preferred side literally wants to genocide every Palestinian, Muslim or not.
I see you're starting to suck on bibi's foot already.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Nope, some do, not all, small minority or it would happen. Your preferred side actually does want to genocide every Israeli though.
Prove any of that wrong. Israel hits way above their weight, especially for the region…. Unless your preference is outright dictatorships?
Ala117@reddit
Your preferred side actually does want to genocide every Palestinian.
Rich coming from you the bibi toe sucker.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Not yet. I think politically it’ll bounce back after Netanyahu, then the one after will be an Erdogan clone. He’ll go right to artillery directly on cities, no qualms given, no warnings. Picking fights isn’t the best plan against a stronger neighbor.
Notice you didn’t disprove any points, even attempt. You’re over their backing actual genocidal maniacs.
Ala117@reddit
I'm not backing natenyahu his idf, likud and settler minions dude, You are.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
What did the West Bank do?
Freethecrafts@reddit
Which time?
Care to guess how it became the West Bank? Who occupied it?
Drab_Majesty@reddit
obviously, ummm like now
Freethecrafts@reddit
Right now, it’s annexed Israeli territory with aggressive residents. Before, it was attacks and general bad conduct.
Have you figured out who occupied it?
Ala117@reddit
You're fucking calling this "aggressive residents"? You're swallowing the bibi shoe already?
Freethecrafts@reddit
You’re attempting to hide the instigations.
Ala117@reddit
You're attempting to swallow the second bibi shoe.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Who occupied the West Bank?
Ala117@reddit
Don't try to gaslight your way out.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Egypt. Who before that?
Ala117@reddit
Told you not to try to gaslight your way out
Freethecrafts@reddit
People murdering each other in the present isn’t even close. Palestinians murdered all kinds of people on October 7th. That some extremist settlers want to do the same thing isn’t news to anyone.
Ala117@reddit
of course you'd use Oct 7th to justify this.
Ala117@reddit
Freethecrafts@reddit
It’s clear proof that your preferred side acts on ACTIVE invasion.
Your links are terrible for your positions. I show you an active military operation of your preferred side that was explicitly against civilians, that military operation murdering plenty, that military operation literally stealing away civilians. Then you show an unorganized group of Israeli extremists doing very limited things.
Drab_Majesty@reddit
Israeli territory? not according to the UN and international community. Aggressive residents? Maybe look up the number of Palestinians being attacked and murdered while under Israeli occupation or don't I am just being facetious, we know you're another Z list hasbara regurgitator...
Freethecrafts@reddit
Israeli claims are just as real as Jordan, or Egypt, or Sauds. Looks like they have it to me. Doesn’t look like anyone is stopping them.
Casualties of war are just that.
Again, show me the gold standard of the region.
ChefBoyardee66@reddit
It's not been annexed
mattyandco@reddit
The Geneva conventions explicitly define journalists as civilians, the fact they report on things happening in the open does not make them lose that protection, in fact doing so in the open with clear markings (like a press jacket and/or accreditation) specifically separates them from spies. Spies gather information covertly and using subterfuge in the territory held by the opposition which journalists do not.
The discussion on spies in the conventions clarifies that,
And in the section on journalists,
In order to void that protection the attacking party has to show the journalist A) actively engage in espionage, which as shown above is not the same thing as reporting on things happening in the open, or B) actively taking up arms at the time they are attacked, that does not mean some allegation that they may have held a rifle a year, a week or a day ago or their name is on some list somewhere.
Neither of these have been shown by Israel.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Handing live information on battlefield conditions strips civilian protections. It’s the same as if you were on the phone with Netanyahu telling him where troops are located. It’s active intelligence that’s highly useful in war. When you become a participant in intelligence gathering on a battlefield, you’re just as much a target as any intelligence officer, belligerent, whatever. War necessity generally wins.
You’re spouting nonsense where any military could dress up their best scouts in “Press” outfits, gather front information, then claim protection…not how any of it works. Those newspaper office requirements are missing if you’re streaming live information that is useful for combatants. It doesn’t even have to be purposefully helping the enemy…it’s allowing a military advantage that nobody is going to allow.
You’re also going to be a target at range even in a press outfit while embedded. The outfit might help someone if whatever unit is captured, but only as to which jail they go to. At best there is a protection against active targeting, purposefully aiming for them, not against being shot. Artillery shoots from miles now, snipers shoot from barely visible ranges. Neither are going to be able to purposefully see press markings and target them at the ranges they’re engaging at.
War footage is great, but it all comes at risk, nobody knows if whatever is a camera, nobody knows where live front footage would be going…if they could even differentiate a camera from a weapon.
mattyandco@reddit
No it doesn't the very first two paragraphs of section 79 state that a journalist is,
Which clearly denotes them as civilians.
The definition of what a professional mission is included in the discussion on that section which I quoted above and do so again with an expansion to include the sections above and below that,
So the job of a journalist includes being in an area of danger observing and recording things. It's contradictory to say that the very action of doing so renders them not a civilian doing a legitimate job and hence lacking protection when the convention goes to such lengths to state that journalists are a category and explicitly entitled to those protections.
This is also clarified in other documents on international humanitarian law.
There is a clear distinction between general reporting which may include some information which maybe useful to the opposition and deliberate specific transmission of information to the benefit of one side. The former does not meet the 'Direct Causation' required to consider a journalist to be actively engaging in hostilities.
The convention covers that case. A military is entitled to detain suspicious individuals and ascertain their identity. If it can be shown after that they're a member of the opposing military and captured forward of that sides front line then they're a POW, and if on the back side that line then a spy. Neither of these cases entitle a military to open fire on anyone without a weapon in the area of combat.
As noted above there isn't a distinction given to live or after the fact reporting, journalists are allowed to do both. It can be useful to combatants but it's usefulness in and of itself doesn't make the act of providing it grounds for attacking a journalist. It has to be substantial specific tactical information given directly to a party in the conflict.
The conventions make note of that, there is allowance for some collateral damage while targeting specific military objectives, including specifically when a journalist is embedded. It is not an invitation to ignore all distinction between civilians and combatants.
The convention address that by requiring parties to air on the side of caution. Claiming you can't tell the difference between a camera and a weapon isn't justification to ignore the protections civilians are entitled to. It's a reason to proceed with caution and take steps to determine if it is a weapon. And again reporting in and of itself is not grounds to target civilians. 'I don't know where it's going' is not a valid reason to consider reporting a hostile action.
Freethecrafts@reddit
It’s right there in your quote. “Provided they take no action adversely affecting their status”. Showing live intel in a way that an enemy could make use of it in active combat operations IS changing that status. Military advantage is gained by such intel, it’s primary intel. Don’t make yourself party to a conflict.
Also, protections only go so far as not military advantage. Put ten thousand babies in a hospital with Netanyahu, disregarding the civilians to end a war IS permissible. You’re confusing bad faith retellings for optics for what matters.
Also, protections for a journalist only go so far as not specifically targeting them. But wars are fought from distances where a sniper isn’t going to be able to make out a press vest, and artillery fires from beyond the horizon. Military targets are still getting hit with or without a guy in a press vest around. Better believe ten thousand legitimate journalists in a hospital with Netanyahu is still getting hit as a FAIR target.
3264, no news office and no controls. Live footage is active intel. Live footage from whatever front makes the individuals involved operatives because nobody followed protocols and prevented the information transfer to active military usage.
Guy in a field doing interviews of soldiers is different from active front information, true. But being in vicinity of those soldiers when an artillery strike lands doesn’t mean it wasn’t a fair engagement. Also, same guy who previously passed live engagement footage becomes a perpetual target on any battlefield.
So much to say that a guy live filming and broadcasting combat is screwed. Positions, formations, they become an operative.
They’re firing from long distances at military advantage points, not anyone who specifically has a weapon pointed at the moment. Drone pilot half a world away is an active combatant, even off duty. General on vacation is a combatant. Weapon in hand isn’t necessary.
True, if taken into custody, review away…same as any other person in a war zone. But your idea of journalist doesn’t even pass the 1940’s smell test, on any side. Someone taking one picture of a tank would qualify as a spy to them. Someone taking live footage of border fire definitely wouldn’t pass their test.
They’re not ignoring the conventions, they acting on military advantage. If any side was told to act against their own military interests, nobody would abide by any of the conventions. Actual reporter getting a feel of war for a story isn’t dying because they’re a journalist, they’re dying because they got in the way of artillery fire meant for a fair objective. The day anyone stops firing because someone else found a magic number of human shields is the day that first side loses forever. It would better if everyone fought in the hills or something, away from civilization, but there are too many bad faith actors looking to hide among civilians.
During a live fire event, guy hunkered down where the fire is coming from is a fair target. Again, nobody is fighting these from short range unless it’s some kind of ambush by belligerents who are already breaking multiple conventions. Guy with a camera still would be providing primary information usable by a military command. Even if someone could distinguish, which nobody could in an active live fire event, it’s still in operative category.
Protections for civilians don’t prevent active military actions. Simple as that. Tank in a bank gets that bank blown up, no matter how many civilians are sitting on top of the tank. Munitions that were stored in civilian housing, same deal, those munitions are fair targets. Don’t commingle military infrastructure, don’t store arsenal near civilians. Those deaths are on the side who commingled or stored near civilians, not the side that pressed their advantage.
mattyandco@reddit
And the rest of the quote states that there must be a direct connection between that footage and harm. You would need to show coordination with the attacking force to reach that threshold. It is not sufficient to just say that they're reporting live therefore they must be giving someone specific intel. Opportunistically watching a feed from someone is in indirect connection only.
No it is not. Proportionality is not the number of innocent people you killed in a given strike but a principle that the cost of an action in innocent lives and damage to civilian objects must be justifiable to the value of the target. Netanyahu is not worth that. Him going does not end the war there are deputies and rest of the government which would carry on.
If you can't distinguish between a civilian and a combatant at range the answer is not to attack them anyway, it's don't attack them. Take steps to determine if they are or aren't and don't attack them until you can.
I don't know what you mean by this what do you mean by office, controls and protocols? As noted above live footage does not in itself constitute active participating in conflict. If a reporter is reporting live from somewhere with a view a couple of km away to some military group but there's no one watching the transmission or no one in position to use that information to attack anything, or the report doesn't last any more than a few minutes, or if there's not enough information in the video to tell where it actually is to a useful degree, it's not providing an advantage to anyone looking to attack that group.
And no one said that, it's explicitly noted that battlefields are dangerous and an incidental death of a journalist is not inherently a violation of the conventions. Deliberate targeting of a journalist not directly involved is. Further to that the convention is very clear about the temporal factor in the lost of that protection if they are directly involved. It is not a permanent lost of the right to not be targeted for attack.
Again only if you can show actual coordination with the enemy. You cannot just presume it to be the case.
We were talking specifically about a scout of the armed forces dressing in civilian clothes to checkout the front line not anywhere else.
It's not my idea it's what has been set out in the current Geneva conventions which were written '49 in response to the war crimes of WW2 and have agreed to by every single member of the UN. What would have happened in the '40's is exactly why it isn't allowed now.
Again not relevant to the direct targeting of journalists. The article these comments are on is about the killing of a journalist well behind the lines in a attack explicitly targeting him and not some nearby legitimate target.
Again as noted above not relevant to the direct targeting of journalists. You cannot presume that someone with a camera is transmitting live nor even if they were that they are providing a direct military advantage to the other side.
Protections are not meant to stop incidental casualties of legitimate miliary action outright. They are meant to stop direct targeting of protected persons as an illegitimate miliary action. Like targeting journalists engaging in their legitimate work. There is also the concept of proportionally which you clearly do not understand. Any attack must be weighed against the cost of damage and death to civilians and there property. The cost must not exceed the gain from the attack. A tank in a building does not mean that any level of civilian death and destruction is permitted to destroy it. Similarly the presence of a store of munitions, although it probably allows an amount of civilian damage which would still be proportional, it does not remove the requirement for proportionality entirely.
Freethecrafts@reddit
Harm after the fact, as judged to the standard of a picture of military hardware makes you a spy. Taking pictures of active combat positions meets that standard. You’re not going to find some niche position from the 1940’s that somehow didn’t cover live footage. Picture of one tank makes you a spy, full stop, they hung people for that. It wasn’t a delivered a picture of a tank, it was took or had a picture of one…the harm doesn’t have to exist.
Killing Netanyahu would end the war. It’s head of state stuff. Next guy would likely think twice and pull it back if their survival was on the line. Ten thousand anythings don’t matter if it means you win a conflict that could cost many times more, much more destruction. The standard should be kill the leader, kill the soldiers, everyone who wants to live should get out of the area.
Guy on a hill looking at your position is a scout. Doesn’t matter.
It does. Picture of a tank makes you a spy. Live footage of an active combat positions makes you a super spy with telecommunications. They hung people for far less. You want to pretend with the old standards, this is what the old standards were as implemented by the people who wrote them.
Once a combatant, always a combatant.
You started this with vast claims of journalists dead in a war zone. That’s not a charge, not a thing. You need malice, you need intent, you need specific targeting of individuals because they were journalists. I would expect “journalists” to die with their units while embedded. I would expect if someone was acting as a forward scout that they die first.
Clothes don’t particularly matter. It’s a warcrime to not dress in uniform of the country you’re serving while filling a combat role, but that’s generally what Hamas and Iran have their people do. Bad people doing bad things.
Picture of a tank can get people hung anywhere. Entirely legal. Picture of a bunch of tanks in active combat, with positions is many times worse.
Okay, one guy, whom the Israelis had identified as a combatant. Have to take that up with them as to their attribution. I’m sure they have one picture of a tank from him or one day where he acted as a forward scout.
Correct. We do not attempt to stop nations from legitimate military advantages. If anyone tried, nobody would abide.
We’re not at odds over specific targeting, we’re at odds over your presumption that journalists dying implicates anyone. We don’t know the conditions, so we don’t know if a number is high or low. If the modern “journalist” is embedding with the losing side of a conflict at forward positions, I would imagine lots of casualties. If that “journalist” was live broadcasting while giving away a position of a unit, I would imagine artillery would destroy that unit using whatever signal tracing. If that “journalists” was taking point thinking it doesn’t violate protections, that’s an active combat role with or without a press jacket and they deserve to be first in line for any sniper or unit.
Stubbs94@reddit
He was assassinated in a tent.... Israel is also occupying his land.
Freethecrafts@reddit
If I camped with a bunch of soldiers and an air strike went in, that’s a fair kill.
If I had been showing troop formations or scouting viable information at any time during a conflict, I would no longer have any protection. At that point it’s intelligence operative, might as well have a uniform.
Occupation excuses nothing. Everyone, rules, good luck.
Stubbs94@reddit
There is literally no evidence of this at all. He was camped in a refugee camp.
Freethecrafts@reddit
You’ll have to be more specific. Every high rise in the area is in a refugee camp.
You misunderstand how the process works. You have to claim he was targeted before it means anything to anyone. Killed as collateral damage isn’t a charge. Then you show how.
Then we wait ten years to find out what Israel wrote in the books for a specific engagement.
SowingSalt@reddit
So scouts and spies should dress in press jackets to gather live intel on the enemy.
Sounds completely above board. /s
mattyandco@reddit
The conventions cover the case of spies and scouts. A military is entitled to detain suspicious individuals and ascertain their identity. If it can be shown after that they're a member of the opposing military and captured forward of that sides front line then they're a POW, and if on the back side that line then a spy. Neither of these cases entitle a military to open fire on anyone without a weapon in the area of combat.
IAMADon@reddit
When they first accused him in October of last year, they accused 5 others with documents they claim to have found.
One of them was Ismail Al-Ghoul, who the document claimed received a military ranking from Hamas in 2006, when he was 10 years old.
HockeyHocki@reddit
So you've just found out Hamas use child soldiers, glad you've caught up
IAMADon@reddit
Well I found out Israel has the unique ability to make useful idiots believe anything without evidence.
_Noreturn@reddit
The best way to spread information is to the dumb, look at the calendar incident being listed as a terrorist list and people believing it even someone told me to get up google translate.
I can't I am dying of laughter of how dumb redditors are on r/worldnews (which I got banned again yesterday)
Stubbs94@reddit
You must be the stupidest fucking genocide supporter believing a ten year old could hold rank in a resistance movement.
apropo@reddit (OP)
This tracks.
The Zionist project has relied on so much deception to steal Palestinian land that none of its claims can be taken at face value.
Nice__Spice@reddit
Israel knows this journalist is not Hamas
Israel knows we know that this journalist is not Hamas.
Israel keeps committing war crimes, starvation and killing innocent Palestinians on their way to a land grab… and they know we can’t stop it.
Israel is taunting the rest of us with their evil.
MoreDiscussions@reddit
> we know that this journalist is not Hamas.
Genuine question, do we? Has evidence been given for this?
Or are we just assuming that's it's an impossibility that someone from Hamas would utilize the cover of journalism to push narratives and work as a cover story. Or just in general being a journalist and also aligned with and part of Hamas... This is not at all an impossibility and very much feels more likely than not to happen. Happened with western journalists too.
That doesn't mean I'm agreeing with Israel that he is. I'm just saying it's inaccurate to claim you know for a fact he wasn't. These absolute assumptions people love to deal in is part of why there is so much mess in this world still.
Hopefully these claims will be investigated with time and proven one way or another.
_Noreturn@reddit
Why should we provide evidence for something non existent.
I can claim you are a terrorist. doesn't mean you should try to find evidence to disprove it because I can say anything.
Also I would be extremely suspicious of any news that comes out from people who tried to convince people of a calendar being a terrorist list.
RealTurbulentMoose@reddit
You can't have a rational discussion here.
It's very probable that Hamas would use journalists (or aid workers, or medical staff) as cover for their own activitites. Why wouldn't they?
Israel kills undercover Hamas -- OH THE HUMANITY, they're killing [insert job title], won't someone think of the children and [job title]. And if they leave them alone, heehee great strategy, they're fighting the occupier!
It's win-win for Hamas, and no matter what, Israel is the bad guy. The part that isn't great is when there's collateral damage and innocent journalists / aid workers / medical staff get killed, but again, propaganda win for Hamas. Just sucks for people who actually want to help.
Arshiaa001@reddit
When Iran hangs a spy, it's 'there's no proof he was a spy'.
When Israel flat out bombs journalists, it's 'there's no proof he WASN'T hamas'.
Now, I can kind of see where the first argument comes from. People not trusting a justice system is fine. Uncalled for, but fine. But the second argument? What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? That is absolutely not fine.
Nice__Spice@reddit
Israel has killed 186 journalists and media people since Oct 7. They even went for families.
Tell me - how many were Hamas.
Rightricket@reddit
They certainly are. And all the shills they unleash on social media with the shittiest, most repulsive talking points are just part of the plan to make everyone else hate Israel as much as possible. Hatred and fear is what fascists use to gain power.
apropo@reddit (OP)
Truer words have never been spoken.
Yes. This is their perverted aim. Be not taunted. We have to use a form of mental aikido -- a Japanese form of self-defence and martial art that uses locks, holds, throws, and the opponent's own movements.
If you must engage with hasbara / tod'a trolls, keep it to a minimum. Do not allow their ceaseless deceptions, distortions & delusional distrations to sap your energy.
Keep the faith.
madbaby6669@reddit
But youre definitely not propagandized lmao
EbbNervous1361@reddit
This is a real Reddit moment
soulstriderx@reddit
We can stop it, because we have the numbers. Politicians care about one thing and that is power and they need our vote.
NeonArlecchino@reddit
During COVID, Bitch McConnell literally laughed during a live debate about how some Kentuckians were losing everything because of the pandemic. He still won.
Just this week there was a post on the South Park subreddit about how someone didn't know Kristy Noem kills puppies.
We have the numbers to stop this, but not everyone is politically engaged enough to know what needs stopping. The first livestreamed Holocaust has opened a lot of people's eyes, but I fear we're still outnumbered by those who only observe misinformation and social distortions. Try watching mainstream 10 or 11 o'clock news and see how little information the average person gets. It's really awful!
qjxj@reddit
Whose peacekeepers?
Agasthenes@reddit
So, who will volunteer to do that? Because Hamas is 100% going to shoot at them hiding behind civilians.
hamzazazaA@reddit
Seems like Israel got to the civilians first
Sea-Associate-6512@reddit
Did these neutral peacekeeping forces ever exist? Have you ever met a neutral person in your life?
Rook_To_A4@reddit
What we need is a coalition of nations to give Jerusalem the Gaza treatment until they agree to cease of hostilities and it's myriad violations of international law.
apropo@reddit (OP)
Declare Palestine a state. Get Palestinian (as host nation) consent to agree to the presence of a peacekeeping force comprised of that coalition of nations (countries seen as not having a direct stake in the conflict). Ofc it would not be a simple feat, but naysayers be damned.
self-assembled@reddit
Even if the evidence was real it wouldn't excuse the war crime. Not to mention they killed EIGHT other journalists and staffers in that tent.
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
Another 'journalist' apparently.
I'm sure he provided Al Jazeera with a lot of 'breaking' stories.
Suck on it, terror supporters.
GerryAdamsSon@reddit
insane you seem to spend every minute of the day posting on reddit defending Israel...are you a bot or paid or what?
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
I respond to what's on my feed.
If the terror supporters are so intent on spamming reddit with their propaganda shit, then they can deal with my opinion.
Same with fools intent on responding and getting wrecked by my replies.
aDrThatsNotBaizhu@reddit
So you're doing this for free? This is even sadder
apropo@reddit (OP)
Imagine so void of a personality that your entire online persona is wholly devoted to defending the racist apartheid policies of an ethnostate.
Why is everyone talking bad about my favorite apartheid ethnostaaaaate?
Waaaaahhh!
Take a hike w/yo deja vu repetitive posting [REDACTED]!
_Noreturn@reddit
because he is a paid bot?
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
That is indeed some crazy imagination there. Put it in a book.
Based on your response, seems you're the one with the crazy obsession.
Supporting Islamist terrorists in 2025... really amazing.
(And then slandering those that disagree. I guess the West just isn't for you)
MegaJackUniverse@reddit
Man, every journalist I know is SO un-busy, that they ALL have time to be Hamas leaders /s
OdielSax@reddit
That statement makes me want to throw up. Media has to stop reporting this foul genocide propaganda. Anyone who spent two seconds watching Anas' reporting knows he was the kindest, sweetest, bravest journalist in the world, a man of only 28 with two small children. He documented everything from the beginning in 2023 and only started being threatened and smeared from the moment he reported on the starvation. This is honestly demonic at this point, I've never seen anything so dark in my life.
moonorplanet@reddit
This is especially disappointing considering Reuters themselves have had their journalists killed by the Israelis.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
Reuters is a news wire. They tend to be neutral to the point of repeating (everyone's) propaganda. See for example how they report things like "Hamas goverment office rejects US accusation of involvement in Gaza aid site attack".
That means that they can end up sounding completely insane, when everyone knows that this journalist wasn't a Hamas leader
pickllerickk@reddit
It's actually disgusting, how much they repeat their propaganda. Anas was their colleague in journalism, he deserved better
platp@reddit
Humanity deserves better. The blood in hands "journalists" are betraying humanity.
bobrobor@reddit
Didn’t they kill 4 not 1?
OdielSax@reddit
Yes. Sorry, I focused on Anas because I followed him.
6gv5@reddit
Curious how some of the more advanced armies and intelligence agencies in the world manage to be so efficient in infiltrating a logistic chain to supply publicly unknown Hezbollah members with radios and pagers rigged with explosives, then screw up so badly mistaking a well known journalist for a terrorist. They must be really exhausted after fighting a overwhelmingly armed enemy made of starving people looking for food.
platp@reddit
You are comparing two terrorist attacks by the same terrorist entity.
RealTurbulentMoose@reddit
So…
Not super strong proof without additional corroborating information.
But…
Hamas isn’t saying the guy wasn’t the head of a cell either. They’re just concerned about an incoming offensive.
KaiBahamut@reddit
I mean, they called him a journalist? Sounds like a denial of a military role
Fluid_Reaction9936@reddit
Are they mutually exclusive somehow?
KaiBahamut@reddit
I suppose not but it would be on Israel- or even better, a neutral third party- to prove that Israel isn't a cop planting a knife on the man he just shot.
Fluid_Reaction9936@reddit
Fair enough. But what country would be a neutral third party here mate XD. It simply does not exist in this conflict.
KaiBahamut@reddit
I'm sure we can find an independent journalist organization somewhere.
PostKnutClarity@reddit
I don't think Hamas denied Hind Rajab being a member either, which Israel said she was after riddling her body with bullets. Hamas also didn't dent those WCK members actually moonlighting as Hamas. Or the 15 paramedics buried in the desert, all of which were claimed to be Hamas. Damn Hamas is easier to get into than a community college.
historicusXIII@reddit
So far Al Qaeda, the Wagner Group, the KKK and the Sicilian Maffia haven't denied his membership either. Must've been a real baddie!
modianoyyo@reddit
look everybody, it's trying to think
ValeteAria@reddit
Do you genuinely think that even if thet said he wasn't, that anyone would just take their word for it. We are almost 2 years into this genocide and people still deny the death toll, which is most likely higher than what Hamas is counting it as. But since it is coming from Hamas it cant be trusted - Zionasties.
I mean, there is no winning in this situation.
apropo@reddit (OP)
What precisely is your point?
RealTurbulentMoose@reddit
Sure sounds like Israel got the right guy. Not even a denial from Hamas.
Idrialite@reddit
EQ brother. They're not explicitly denying the claim because they're talking past it.
Saying "The assassination of journalists and the intimidation of those who remain paves the way for a major crime that the occupation is planning to commit in Gaza City" is clearly an implicit denial of Israel's absurd claims and a shift to focus on the real issue: Israel's killing of journalists.
This is a common rhetorical tactic... ignore the absurd justifications and present what you believe to be the true reason something is happening.
apropo@reddit (OP)
Thanks for your informative reply. You've removed all doubt.
Wear you badge of Islamophobia with pride.
: ) lol
bonesrentalagency@reddit
An absolutely staggering amount of intellectual dishonesty here. You should quite frankly be disgusted with yourself. Maybe go find god or retreat to a mountain and be a hermit cuz the internet is doing you no fucking good
SquallFromGarden@reddit
And I'm not saying I didn't nut in your wife's butthole last night, but good luck proving a negative cos you intellectually can't.
this-aint-Lisp@reddit
You're talking about the killing of 4 human beings, not about Pokemon cards.
discographyA@reddit
A stretch of an interpretation.
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
Another 'journalist' apparently.
I'm sure he provided Al Jazeera with a lot of 'breaking' stories.
Suck on it, terror supporters.
apropo@reddit (OP)
ok buddy, lol
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
Who know more than you do, buddy, lol.
Arun_Guy@reddit
IDF lies constantly, remember the "no lights on" ambulance, whose crew idf murdered and then tried to hide the evidence?
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
If they have the proof they say they have, that's pretty damning.
lastmagic@reddit
"Hamas is everywhere, hamas is everyone.
Sincerely yours, Israeli apologist"
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
It's all the events, mate.
I guess the exchanging of candy will have to wait.
pinkheartpiper@reddit
Yeah, we should trust Israel, remember when they massacred 15 medics, buried their bodies in a mass grave, said they were approaching them with their lights off, until a phone was found on a body with a video exposing them?
https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cj9e22dezeno
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
Of course not, trust the Islamist terrorists instead. That's what terror supporters do.
It's how we know that 911 was an inside job, and how all ISIS wanted to do was fight capitalism!
I wonder if the great resistance fighters are going to fare well at the end of this well thought out plan brought to fruition on Oct 7th 2023.
Because it looks a bit doubtful.
pinkheartpiper@reddit
I don't trust rqdical Islamits, and I don't trust Nazi Israel. I can sww with my own eyes they are committing genocide. Even someone like king of Belgium can't help but to call it "a disgrace to all of humanity"
You are funny guy, I bet the original German Nazis were also funny and made jokes when they were committing genocide.
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
See enough genocides committed by the Islamists in recent years.
World is complicated, best to choose the lesser evil.
People that live in the West know what threat they've been living under over the past 30 years.
The only 'disgrace' are the far leftists that would even entertain banding with this filth.
pinkheartpiper@reddit
Except there's no controversy about what Islamist terrorist do.
Noone "normal" person supported ISIS. No so called civiliazed" western government hesitated to condemn them. But Israel has trapped two million people in a concentration camp, dropped tens of thousands of bombs on them, tormented to the point of Doctors Without Borders reporting of seeing children as young as 5 wishing they were dead, and now as if it wasn't enough, they have added starvation on top of it, and we have Nazis like you cheering for it.
SlightWerewolf4428@reddit
Same ilk. Plenty of the losers calling for the great caliphate online in the 2000s ended up joining them or shilling for them online.
Don't come here and make things up.
Those that condemned them did so once it was clear the West was going to crush them.
No difference between what happened to Ar Raqqa and what is going on in Gaza.
I welcome the next great crushing of an Islamist movement.
pinkheartpiper@reddit
Imao, I wasn't talking about a few radical Muslims, "normal" people as in the ones who consider themselves decent people, like "normal" everyday people you see in the West, like YOU, "normal" bloodthirsty psychos like you.
Unlike you, I'm not selective in what genocide to condemn.
"A disgrace on all of humanity" is the best way to describe it, like King of Belgium said.
pinkheartpiper@reddit
Imao, I wasn't talking about a few radical Muslims, "normal" people as in the ones who consider themselves decent people, like "normal" everyday people you see in the West, like YOU, you dumbass, "normal" bloodthirsty psychos like you.
Unlike you, I'm not selective in what genocide to condemn.
"A disgrace on all of humanity" is the best way to describe it, like King of Belgium said.
Go jerk off to videos of children being tormented to death in Gaza, it will make you feel better.
Ropetrick6@reddit
Uh hus, suuuuuuuuuure. Just like how Hind Rajab was toooooooraaaaaalllly a Hamas militant, right? Just like how the World Central Kitchen were 100% completely Hamas, right? Just like how Doctors Without Borders is entirely, 100%, without a doubt all Hamas to a man, riiiiiiiiight?
Who do they think they're fooling at this point? The IDF lies, constantly, and they're not even hiding it. The "most moral army in the world" showed us its true colors in its massacres of civilians and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948, and it's never getting rid of that foundation with how deeply it is ingrained not just into the IDF, but Israeli society as a whole.
sarim25@reddit
or when they killed Shireen abu Akleh, and kept changing their story on her death was self-inflected, then by Palestinians, then it was accidental by IDF shooting, even when it was confirmed it was a sniper shot to her neck.
Then they raided her funeral march.
JrSoftDev@reddit
Or when they buried the ambulances with executed medical personnel, said a bunch of lies and then one of the buried victims had proof of their phones https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_paramedic_massacre
apropo@reddit (OP)
Catastrophic torment! I did not know of this fact. Israeli police attacked mourners & pall bearers. The bearers nearly dropped her coffin.
Zionist evil is bottomless.
Own-Angle1009@reddit
who do they think they’re fooling at this point?
It’s 21st century media manipulation. They don’t necessarily need anyone to believe the lie. As long as uninformed people hear two different narratives, they’ll will view it as a “complicated, two-sided issue”. It’s essentially the Trump technique.
ProperAstronomer4354@reddit
Anas al-Sharif’s X account has just posted a message, written on April 6, 2025, accompanied by text saying, “This was what our dear beloved Anas requested to be published upon his martyrdom”.
"This is my will and my final message.
If my words reach you, know that Israel has succeeded in killing me and silencing my voice. First, peace, mercy, and blessings be upon you.
God knows that I have given all my effort and strength to be a support and a voice for my people since I opened my eyes to life in the alleys and streets of Jabalia refugee camp. My hope was that God would grant me life to return with my family and loved ones to our original town of Ashkelon (Al-Majdal), occupied land. But God’s will was swifter, and His decree is binding.
I lived pain in all its details, tasted grief and loss repeatedly, yet I never hesitated to convey the truth as it is—without distortion or falsification—hoping God would bear witness against those who remained silent, those who accepted our killing, those who besieged our breaths, and whose hearts were not moved by the shattered bodies of our children and women, nor did they stop the massacre our people have faced for more than a year and a half.
I entrust you with Palestine, the jewel of the Muslim world and the pulse of every free heart in this world. I entrust you with its people, with its innocent children who were not granted the time to dream or live in safety and peace. Their pure bodies were crushed under thousands of tons of Israeli bombs and missiles, torn apart, their remains scattered on the walls.
I urge you not to let chains silence you, nor borders restrain you. Be bridges toward liberating the land and the people until the sun of dignity and freedom rises over our stolen homeland.
I entrust you with my family. I entrust you with the apple of my eye, my beloved daughter, Sham, whom fate did not allow me to see grow as I dreamed.
I entrust you with my dear son, Salah, whom I wished to support and accompany until he grew strong, carrying my burden and continuing the mission.
I entrust you with my beloved mother, whose prayers were the reason I reached where I did. Her supplications were my fortress, and her light my path. I pray God to ease her heart and reward her abundantly on my behalf.
I also entrust you with my lifelong companion, my beloved wife, Umm Salah Bayan, from whom war separated us for long days and months, but who remained faithful, steadfast like an olive tree trunk that never bends, patient and devout, carrying the trust in my absence with strength and faith.
I urge you to gather around them and be their support after God Almighty. If I die, I die steadfast on my principles, bearing witness to God that I am satisfied with His decree, believing in meeting Him, and certain that what is with God is better and everlasting.
O God, accept me among the martyrs, forgive my past and future sins, and make my blood a light that illuminates the path to freedom for my people and family.
Forgive me if I fell short, and pray for me mercy, for I have remained true to the covenant, never changing or betraying it.
Do not forget Gaza… And do not forget me in your good prayers for forgiveness and acceptance.
Anas Jamal Al-Sharif
06.04.2025"
Michael_Gibb@reddit
The Israelis claim the journalist was a Hamas leader. But let's be honest, Israel has used that excuse so often to defend their crimes that claims someone was Hamas has become what you might call a reverse Spartacus.
Rather than one person after another, standing up and claiming to be the accused both to protect them and to resist the oppressor. Instead, Israel is pointing to one person after another, accusing them of resisting, and then using that as an excuse to oppress the entire population.
historicusXIII@reddit
Hamas must've had over 60,000 leaders by now.
SomeDumRedditor@reddit
They’re murdering inconvenient journalists inside a warzone by calling them terrorists. These are not the actions of the “good guys.”
urasquid19@reddit
They killed the entire AJ team for Gaza City. This reeks of suspicious motives, like when that Cannes recognized filmmaker was conveniently killed right after she was nominated.
turqua@reddit
That is not a coincidence. It was a targeted strik- they also killed 2 camera crew and a correspondent. Israel confirmed it's a targeted strike afaik, but icba to look it up
self-assembled@reddit
Who?
urasquid19@reddit
Fatima Hassouna, an airstrike killed her along with ten of her family members in her home
bretton-woods@reddit
The motive is out there in the open - Netanyahu wants a full occupation of Gaza City, and the Israelis do not want journalists there to report on what will happen to those who refuse to leave.
HourEast5496@reddit
They did this to start their Gaza problem, final solution because he would've reported everything from that city. Nazis can't have that, can they?
tomatotom1@reddit
Here are the documents mentioned in the article:
https://bit.ly/4frDjzY
FuglyPrime@reddit
Ah yes, everyone is HAMAS.
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dudenurse13@reddit
The timing of this is so suspect. Notably he and his murdered colleagues were active Gaza city. Wouldn’t want too many cameras around to capture the new incursion. Odd they’d wait this long to kill such a public a “Hamas leader” otherwise
garrybarrygangater@reddit
Israel killed a bunch of journalists in Lebanon. They were away from the battle field and notified the idf of their location .
Its fucking murder but the chosen people will defend the iDf
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