What are the most bizarre examples of revisionism in your own country's history textbooks that you're thought in school ?
Posted by dodekaperisdodeka@reddit | AskBalkans | View on Reddit | 83 comments
I always had the impresion that all balkan countries had a biased narrative thats causes controversy with other countries but im curious to hear what stuff do people learn in other countries as well For greece particularly, we are never told that our state included a handful of ethnic minorities during its expansion northwards and that many of them were ethnically cleansed or assimilated which gives the impression among many greeks that the country had allways been ethnically homogeneous. This creates controversies with Albania and North Macedonia. I know its a sensitive topic so i hope everyone is as objective as possible
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
I live in macedonia so everything in our history books was wrong or delusional or just straight up racist
Hristijan54@reddit
how is "everything" wrong or straight up racist besides the Alexander the great stuff
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
The stealing of various historical figures and basically comparing minorities to animals, cause apparently we breed like rabbits
Hristijan54@reddit
which historical figures are we stealing ,where do we officialy compare minorities to animals?
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
You are stealing alexander the great,tsar samuel and all of historical imro lol, about the minorities part there was a chapter in the sociology book that talked about demographics and it said basically how macedonians have a low birthrate due to industrialization while albanians and turks breed like rabbits and have a high birth rate!
Hristijan54@reddit
we arent stealing them lol Imro had 2 wings one was pro Macedonian independence the other was Pro Bulgarian so it depends on which IMRO you mean ,which sociology book are you talking about can you please link it?
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
IMRO never had a pro macedonian independence wing, it had a pro macedonian autonomy wing compromised by various bulgarian socialists and even their end goal was to get autonomy and eventually join bulgaria proper or make a balkan communist confederation with the support if the comintern.People like jane sandaski literally fought in the bulgarian army during the first balkan war or gotse delchev who identified himself as bulgarian in his writings.As for the sociology book its the one in second grade in high school, in it you will find the author claiming that “albanians are uneducated and cant control their natality and therefore we must do something to control it” along with some other vile racist shit, here is the link to the article https://telegrami.mk/opozita-shqiptare-djeg-edhe-fletet-e-librit-te-sociologjise-omer-ajdini-arber-ademi-autorizoi-librin-fashist-per-shqiptaret/
Maurelie@reddit
Didn't knew goat herders read history books in their past time?
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
Enjoy your ban!
smurf3310@reddit
"our history" LOL, boy u Albanian 🤦♂️
maria_paraskeva@reddit
Somehow I doubt a Slavic Macedonian will say that.
Albanian Macedonian hands must've typed this
Interesting_Snow7781@reddit
Oh yeah they will never admit that, i am an albanian living in the gloroius land of alexandar makedonski
ivanivanovivanov@reddit
coughs
You're missing a minority there, bro.
the_lonely_creeper@reddit
We don't really have any minority issues with Bulgaria though. At least, I haven't heard complains from either Bulgarians about Bulgarians in Greece or from Greeks about Greeks in Bulgaria.
The whole EU thing probably helps.
vbd71@reddit
Bulgaria had a population exchange agreement with Greece, though.
ivanivanovivanov@reddit
And they were subjected to assimilation attemps and harm before the population exchange. OP is taking about his school system glancing over the fact non-Greeks existed in those regions.
Truth be told, I don't think the Bulgarian textbooks talk about the Greeks that lived here as well.
Iapetus404@reddit
Tell us how good Bulgarians treat the Greeks living in Bulgaria?
JackfruitNo6175@reddit
They are treated well. I haven't heard of a single greek that has been treated badly
ivanivanovivanov@reddit
We had a population exchange 100 years ago, there are no Greeks here apart from recent immigrants.
Iapetus404@reddit
So your post above its a lie
ivanivanovivanov@reddit
We're talking about the past.
Iapetus404@reddit
Yes, and i asked you how Bulgarnans treat to the Greeks before the exchange???
Because in Greece we have thousands of testimonies that the Bulgarians forced Greeks to change their names and speak only Bulgarian, and those who did not do so lost their property, were tortured, and many even lost their lives.
As for the school textbooks. Because there is a good relationship with Bulgaria and therefore the EU, nothing is mentioned in the school textbooks, as well as about the crimes of the Bulgarian fascists in World War II in Macedonia and Thrace.
ivanivanovivanov@reddit
I already mentioned that the treatment of the Greek minority is not mentioned in our textbooks, similar to how the treatment of the Bulgarian minority is not mentioned in Greek textbooks. Yes, they were most probably treated the same (bad) way in both countries. You sound like a typical apologist who is trying to excuse the awful things that your country did with the awful things my country did as if that makes everything ok. Typical Balkan xenophobic thinking.
Iapetus404@reddit
No not at all.
I know that in 2 Balkans wars and WW1 all sides made crimes and etc....
But i find really weird last 20-25 years the official states of Albania,Turkey and North Macedonia attack to Greece and to accuse us for Rasism,oppression of minorities that don't even exist and genocides...
but no one from that states say how the Hellenistic minorities disappeared....even its a fact that they had Greek minorities....
Like the Greek minority in Albania.... Edi Rama said from his speak in Thessaloniki that there is no Greek minority in Albania.
But they dont talk about the Greek mayor who send them to Jail,they dont talk about how the Greek minorities lost they properties and they dont talk about the murders of the Greeks when Albania was under communism.
Officially Albania speak about genocide of Chams who in WW2 genocide many Greek villages and they officially were convicted about they crimes in Greek and Nuremberg courts after WW2.
N.Macedonia speak about Slav-macedonians minorities today in Greece.
When we both know that the slavs-Macedonians fight with Greek communist in Greek-civil war(1946-49) and they all escape to Balkans when they lost.
Turkey with successive pogroms wiped out the Greek minority of Istabul and even they violated Treaty of Lausanne that talks about Muslim Greek of Thrace(Pomaks and Bulgarians muslims) today they talk about Turkish minorities.
I find it all that very weird.
JackfruitNo6175@reddit
Yet Greece still managed to kill very brutally 9 thousand Bulgarians in one of the first ever concentration camp in history. If you don't believe me I'll give u links to what a Czech journalist reported about this since he was the only one allowed to see the camps
MartinBP@reddit
After WW1. There were already repressions and refugee waves from Macedonia after the Second Balkan War.
Kitsooos@reddit
"(Slavo)Macedonians" and "Bulgarians" where one and the same at the time.
The Macedonian ethnic identity wasn't a thing yet. The majority of the people that the Greek state at the time considered "Bulgarians" would consider themselves "Macedonians" today.
Fun (?) fact : In order for ethnic Bulgarians to work a public job in Greece, they had to sign a piece of paper that said that they forfeit any and all connection to Bulgaria and they pledge their allegiance to the Greek state. Since many of them were already billingual (Bulgarian - Greek) and Orthodox Christians, it wasn't actually that bad a deal for them. I think this went on up until the 70s, but I am not sure.
JackfruitNo6175@reddit
The communist regime. It's very vague and even so it only covers the "good" parts but never the concentration camps, the gorani movement that was brutally killed by them for being an opposition, for the National Court which killed almost all smart people and even historical ones
Iapetus404@reddit
OP did you never learn in school about Pomaks,Vlachs,Jews and Roma???
theDivic@reddit
There are two kinds of history in Serbia.
The official textbook history that is quite objective and nuanced and based in actual historical data and proof, especially in Academia.
Then there’s the “collective myth” and the internet propaganda history that 99% of the people take for granted without even being aware that the most distinguished Serbian historians disagree with that, yet they would call you a traitor if you try to point it out.
So in general, what is written in textbooks doesn’t matter much here, because there’s low trust in education, uneducated people see it as something you just have to do while in school while the “real history” is something your drunk uncle told you last year or you saw it on a random YouTube channel.
PlamenIB@reddit
Same in Bulgaria. I was wondering how to name it but “collective myth” is what the best describes that phenomenon.
User20242024@reddit
Well, that "official" and "objective" history claims that we are mostly Slav by our origin, but genetics does not agree with that. In another words, official history is a construct made with a purpose to promote "ethnic purity" of the nation and because of that only Slavic component of our ancestry is accepted, while all other are rejected.
BreakfastDecent4623@reddit
I'm curious. What do you mean by ,,official history ". Because in a normal democracy there isn't such a thing. There is just history, written by historians, peer approved, subjected to change etc.
User20242024@reddit
I have in mind historical views supported mainly by SANU academicians and used mainly in school system with aim of "education of mases".
theDivic@reddit
Istorija srpskog naroda contains a lot of information about the topics you are mentioning, I do not know why you feel it’s not objective, I have a feeling that you have some prejudice about “official” history when in actuality the official history says exactly the same thing as you.
It explains at length the arrival of Slavs to the Balkans and the process of assimilation of the existing non-slavic population into Slavic culture. Genetic analysis shows exactly this, modern day Serbs are a mixture of native population and “colonizer” Slavs.
The Avar history is elementary school material so I honestly don’t know why you think it’s not accepted by official history.
So I think this strengthens my observation that people in Serbia have a huge distrust in education and anything that is official.
User20242024@reddit
Here is the thing: I did not say that these topics are not mentioned at all. Every historian who cares about objectivity will write about these topics. Problem is how exactly these events are interpreted in certain books that are aimed to "educate the mases", much less in books whose main goal is pure scientific research. Of course, mixing of Slavs and latinized populations is mentioned, but always in the way to diminish the significance of these latinizized population in this mix. In relation to Avars, Slavs are more often portrayed as their allies and not as their soldiers, which is more close to the truth, the true importance of the role of Avar Khaganate in Slavic colonization of the Balkans is rarely pointed.
deviendrais@reddit
I’d say that this is a positive change. I don’t care about our genetic connections to Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, the Scordisci ect. We’ve seen in our own neighbourhood how deranged people get over their (supposed) connections to an ancient civilisation, and we’re already deranged enough as is.
Did any of the groups you mentioned meaningfully contribute to Serbian culture? Do we have any Thracian traditions or Illyrian gods we worship? As you said yourself, the peoples were mostly Romanised before we even came to the Balkans, so what exactly did we inherit from them? This reminds me of Americans who call themselves “Italian” just because they’re 1/30th genetically Italian yet they’re culturally 100% American.
A Serb with “100%” Illyrian genes is no different to one with “100%” Slavic genes. End of story.
MartinBP@reddit
I don't know about Serbia but we definitely maintained some Thracian customs in Bulgaria, we've just tried to twist them to fit Christianity which is easy enough since most people don't know why they practice certain traditions anyway.
I'd argue in Serbia specifically the Slava tradition is straight up Greco-Roman polytheism bent into something close enough to fit Christian monotheism.
User20242024@reddit
You are wrong. By accepting our ancient roots, we inherit entire ancient civilization from our land. Latinized Illyrians who were born in the territory of present-day Serbia became emperors and ruled Roman empire, most of them not from Rome but from cities that are today in Serbia. By number of Roman emperors born within country borders Serbia is second only to Italy. While Illyrian and Thracian heritage in the territory of Serbia is not significant, Roman one is very significant.
Count_of_Borsod@reddit
Have you ever tried going outside? Maybe even getting laid perhaps?
User20242024@reddit
I would if I would live in Hungary. Serbian women are much harder for handling.
EphemeralOcean@reddit
Hey those Italian Americans make pasta with marinara every Thursday night for dinner though! /s
maria_paraskeva@reddit
1) Bulgarian history books trying to imply that Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarian and not Greek
2) The inventor of the computer being Bulgarian (one Google search disproves this, he was one of THE, and not THE - as the implication tries to serve)
AcanthocephalaSea410@reddit
They link their identities to you to prevent them from being questioned. Otherwise, you may find that foreigners are interfering with your culture.
Kitsooos@reddit
They were probably half Greek-half Bulgarian.
But they spent their entire lives working as agents of Eastern Rome, which was a predominantly Greek state.
So if one was inclined to pick between the two, it would be more correct to consider them Greeks.
rintzscar@reddit
The account you're replying to is absolutely wrong, Bulgarian textbooks explicitly call the two brothers Byzantine Romans. There's not a mention of them being Bulgarian at all.
MartinBP@reddit
They were Roman, that's the most correct way to define them. Being Roman within the empire was a matter of citizenship and culture, not ethnicity. Bulgarians were also "Roman" for quite a long time, they could've had Slavic parents and spoken Bulgarian their whole lives and they'd still be Roman. This concept is just too hard to square with the modern concept of nationalism.
Neutrinomind@reddit
Eh, while not reading much into the topic, i think the concept of “roman-ness” in the empire at the time was pretty defined and included having greek as a mother tongue or at least the main tongue among several other characteristics, especially after the losses of syria and egypt.
And yes, the matter of self identification among communities is way different and more murkier in the medieval times compared to modern europe, but the medieval romans had quite a strong and refined identity, and from what i know plenty of scholars made the argument that especially late empire, the byzantines had a pre modern national affiliation
rintzscar@reddit
That's complete nonsense, we explicitly study that the two brothers are Byzantine Romans.
MartinBP@reddit
Actually no, because Bulgaria never ruled Thessaloniki if memory serves right. The nonsense peddled at schools is that he might've had Slavic parents which is... completely pointless. Byzantines weren't just Greek, they were Eastern Roman and your parents' ethnicity wasn't what made you Roman. Bulgarian education equates the Eastern Roman Empire with the modern nation state of Greece far too liberally.
pdonchev@reddit
That's blatantly false.
Bulgarian textbooks explicitly state that Cutil.and Methodius were not Bulgarian and that there are no accounts of them ever entering the Bulgarian kingdom. They may be described as having Slavic ancestry, which is historically plausible.
The inventor of one of the earliest digital computers is described as having Bulgarian ancestry, which is factual. Also, he personally recognized the importance of his ancestry for him.
You may be thinking of common myths, which are indeed in circulation, but such unofficial myths are in circulation in every country, and are not notable in any way.
vbd71@reddit
TBH in Bulgarian schools right now they don't teach that Cyril and Methodius were Bulgarians; I can't remember what exactly I was taught when I was in school, though.
Substratas@reddit
I used to zone out during history lessons because I always hated the subject, but if I remember correctly, we were never taught about the Cham people’s collaboration with the nazis.
I first learned about that in this sub.
Puzzleheaded_Sir903@reddit
Communist era history books glorified Yugoslav Partisans.
Since 1990s new history books put Chetniks and Partisans as equal fighters against occupators.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Really? Your history textbook are presenti g chetniks and partisans as equal?
So children in school are tought both parties were fighring againat occupation?
How is then cooperation between chetniks and nazis presented?
How are after war massacres presented? When communists murdered people?
Just curious, becauae in Slivenia we are still taught partisans good everybody else bad.
arapske-pare@reddit
I mean to be honest, that is how it was. Partisans good, everybody else indeed was bad.
Yugoslav partisans did execute some innocents, no doubt about it, but overwhelming majority were nazis. And this has nothing to do to with them in particular, same things were done in France, Italy, Poland, basically everywhere after the end of Nazi Germany.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
No nothing remotely the same happened especially not in france or italy.
Death toll summary executions in France after ww2 is somewhere between 10-15k with a population of 41 milion.
In yugoslavia there was 100k-150k deaths out of 15 million population.
Relatively that would mean 300-400k deaths in france after ww2.
Nowhere near.
arapske-pare@reddit
lmao
MartinBP@reddit
Pretending that communists didn't use WW2 to kill opposition and consolidate power is simply delusional.
Not to forget trying to erase entire ethnicities.
arapske-pare@reddit
ah more bulgarian bs about macedonia
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Lol bro, all of my grandparents were in the partisans and even before that in TIGR.
I personally know a couple of famlies who lost their members in massacres after ww2. Among them is also a 17 year old girl.
There is no excuse for the size of executions after ww2 in yugoslavia. If commu ists would have executed only higher ranking officers and politicians that would have been completely normal.
They murdered everyone they could. There are villages in Slovenia where entire male population was killed after ww2.
Regarding deaths during ww2 it also hard to compare france nad yugoslavia because in yugoslavia there were countless civil wars and interwars.
And also resistance was much stronger in yugoslavia than in france.
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
Please, just stop.
Such BS was disputed gazillion of times and since we have the official list of victims of World War II made by Vida Deželak-Barić and recognised by INZ (almost all people who died have a name), even the Nazi loving SDS backed off and don't regurgitate these lies daily like they did in the past.
Prvi pravi popis - v vojnem in povojnem nasilju je umrlo 6,5 % Slovencev - RTV SLO, INZ Žrtve
Bottom line, during and after the war partisans liquidated 15.276 Home Guards (Domobranci), Village Guards (Vaške straže), Slovenian Chetniks and Other Collaborators.
After the war, around 13.000 Nazi collaborators were liquidated. All of them went trough quick military courts that determined if they have bloody hands. Even NSZ (official Nazi collaborator lovers) confirms this. Politični sodni procesi | Nova Slovenska zaveza
Around 1,5-2k "civilians" were liquidated in the months after the ending of 2WW. Majority of them were collaborators in some way or form and they did have bloody hands. Yes, unfortunately there were also people who died because they were related to collaborators, but they represent a small fraction of victims.
Slovenian village Rovte is the focal point of Slovenian revisionism. They killed everyone Nazi sympathises say.
According to Maček, in Rovte, village of 1400 souls, 284 died due to war and revolutionary violence. There is a memorial plaque in Rovte that list 218 names of post-war victims. On this plaque, you also have women, children, partisans... Claim that partisans killed "fighting male population 15-65 years in some small villages" is utter BS.
Rovte v viharju vojne in revolucije - Janko Maček - Google Books
So yea, here is a great example of bizarre revisionism by u/Smrekovasmola.
I have no idea what kids are though in schools. Probably not much. Last week a saw this clip a person asking Croatian youth who was Tito and they were clueless. In Slovenia I believe things are better. SDS created so much hate and everyone opposing them know who is Tito.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Its called izvensodni poboji for a reason. Soidšča slovenske narodne časti were mostly used to strip you of citizenship or to confiscate someones estate.
You are outright lying about this. If there were court convictions there would be documentation for all that were killed after the war.
Regarding military courts in summer of 1945
Članek analizira delovanje Vojaškega sodišča ljubljanskega vojnega področja poleti leta 1945. V članku so predstavljene sodbe ljudem, ki so prihajali s področja Gorenjske. Vojaška sodišča so začela delovati že po uredbi iz maja leta 1944, medtem ko je po koncu druge svetovne vojne delovanje vojaških sodišč doseglo največji razmah. Istočasno so sicer sodila tudi Sodišča slovenske narodne časti. V analiziranih sodbah ni nobenega primera, ko bi bil nekdo obsojen na smrt. Velika večina ljudi je bila obsojena na izgubo svobode s prisilnim delom ter izgubo političnih in državljanskih pravic. Pomemben mejnik v delovanju vojaških sodišč je predstavljal Ukaz o splošni amnestiji 3. avgusta 1945, po katerem je bila večini obsojenih kazni prisilnega dela oproščena.
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
Extrajudicial killings "izvensodni poboji" is a phrase sons of Nazi collaborators coined trying to deflect their fathers sins. They know and accept they were Nazi concubines, but the justice served was not democratic enough.
No need to believe me, here is what Nazi lover official stance is: https://www.zaveza.si/kaj-je-treba-vedeti/politicni-sodni-procesi/
All liquidated were processed and sentenced.
What this guy posted has nothing to do with liquidations,. It's about collaborators without bloody hands. They were punished but after August 3rd, they were pardoned and came back to their families.
OP is getting diamonds in this exchange.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
I dont know if you are stupid or what. Did you even read what you linked?
It says very clearly these court worked in july and august.
Extrajudicial killings were in may and june.
Just please read your links.
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
It's again common knowlage. Traitors were processed by Military People's Courts "Vojni ljudski sodišča" and Extraordinary courts" Izredna sodišča".
They were all processed in accordance with military law at that time. The law stated, death penalty for deserters.
Boy, I've done this thunders of time. At the end I have legitimate reasons requesting you get stripped of national rights because you are a traitor.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Ok give me a link where it says so. I checked imstitu za novejso zgodovino it says extrajudicial killings.
Then by your word there is an archive of all military files with people sentenced to death.
Like i am asking you geniunely. I am not mocking or anything.
Reliabale source on this military courts.
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
I already gave you several links.
All you are asking was already answered in those references/links I posted.
While I can post links, I can't make you understand them.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
You gave only this link regarding mitary courts
https://www.zaveza.si/kaj-je-treba-vedeti/politicni-sodni-procesi/
NoNeedForNaming@reddit
I gave you several links.
All are part of the same narrative showing you are you are wrong on all fronts.
Smrekovasmola@reddit
No they really dont i am still wainting for you to give me some court papers regarding military courts and death sentences.
Dont try i will find them myself and will post in this subreddit
arapske-pare@reddit
That is all anecdotal evidence, bro.
"I have heard", "I know".
I am interested in facts, not what you heard from your friends.
>They murdered everyone they could. There are villages in Slovenia where entire male population was killed after ww2.
This is not true
Smrekovasmola@reddit
so my neigbours 17year old daughter is anecdotal evidence... so i guess you are one of those people, if it isnt written in history textbooks it didnt happen yeah?
They murdered anyone they wanted would be better phrased. And yes they murdered entire fighting male population 15-65 years in some small villages.
It was a rare occasion because most villages had some partisans but some didnt.
arapske-pare@reddit
Yes, it is anecdotal evidence. It would be valuable addition if we spoke about a history particular village. However, some 17 year old being killed in a war tells us absolutely nothing about Partisans as a whole, nor does it say anything about Yugoslav revolution either.
It is historically meaningless. In this particular form even more so.
Okay, source? Evidence? Anything?
So what is even your argument then? There was some village where everyone collaborated, so they were executed for it. I don't get it
Smrekovasmola@reddit
Yeah i dont think we will get anywhere close because obviously you have some agenda.
They murdered anyone they wanted, refers to people have been murdered without evidence without trial. That means you pick someone on the street and you kill him. That is what i meant.
100-150k death is for entire yugoslavia after ww2 not for Slovenia alone. You can get those figures yourselves, but i guess you will just says there is no proof and we are back at the beginning
arapske-pare@reddit
even if true, doesn't change that it is indeed
Partisans = good
Other = bad
CmdrJemison@reddit
When I was young I leaned that Gavrilo Princip was a serbian anarchist.
Nowadays when I google his name it says he was a serbian nationalist.
Does someone know what true?
arapske-pare@reddit
He was some form of anarchist, or utopian socialist.
His are weird today, but not really in 1914. This was before socialist movement defined itself as sharply materialist.
CmdrJemison@reddit
Interesting. Thank you for clarification
Unable-Stay-6478@reddit
Yugoslav* not exclusively Serbian.
theDivic@reddit
Istorija srpskog naroda contains a lot of information about the topics you are mentioning, I do not know why you feel it’s not objective, I have a feeling that you have some prejudice about “official” history when in actuality the official history says exactly the same thing as you.
It explains at length the arrival of Slavs to the Balkans and the process of assimilation of the existing non-slavic population into Slavic culture. Genetic analysis shows exactly this, modern day Serbs are a mixture of native population and “colonizer” Slavs.
The Avar history is elementary school material so I honestly don’t know why you think it’s not accepted by official history.
So I think this strengthens my observation that people in Serbia have a huge distrust in education and anything that is official.
benemivikai4eezaet0@reddit
The term for Ottoman rule went from иго (yoke, poetic and overly dramatic) to робство (slavery, factually false) to владичество (doninion) to присъствие (presence, politically overcorrect).
arapske-pare@reddit
Not directly, but when I went to school, generally WW2 had very peculiar way of being taught. Holocaust in particular.
It worked like this.
Holocaust u Nezavisnoj Državi Hrvatskoj
Around 1 page, page and a half. Only mentions Jasenovac camp and that others existed, intentionally avoids mentioning any of larger massacres. Number of people killed was intentionally decreased number of Jasenovac victims (70 000, actual number is a bit over 100 000). Total number of victims killed by ustaše is around 350 000 to 500 000 people btw. So it is not exactly lying, just intentionally obfuscating facts.
Bleiburg i križni put
Around 1 page, page and a half, just like holocaust. Completely ignores that most of people going were soldiers, not civilians. Ignores that Pavelić didn't persuade the people to go with promise of surrender, he told them British would get them weapons and they would continue fighting for Nazism despite Hitler being dead. Implies most people were killed (they weren't), that significant amount of victims were women and children (they weren't, reprisals were aimed at soldiers, and only top brass was even allowed to bring families, regular soldiers went alone). No mention of number of victims, but it says that about 200 000 people left for Bleiburg, which implies more people died there than in holocaust in the region
Now you see, this was written in a way to imply that Croats killed in 1945. were true victims of WW2, without stating it outright.