Did the quality improve?
"Our screen is now 18" instead of 15"!!"
But did QUALITY improve?
"Wheels 1" bigger !!"
WHAT ABOUT BUILT QUALITY?
"fancy new lights!"
Last I checked GM had engines seizes up in the middle of highway driving and its the most popular large Suv. Point being that we all want quality, but you are lying if you think one company has that figured out. All manufactures are selling on features, look, and fore GMC status. Reliability only matter when they have recall cost that impact their bottom line.
I don't understand why anyone would buy a jeep that isn't a wrangler or a gladiator. Every other vehicle in their lineup is done better by another brand. And having sat in the wagoneer, I was shocked at how big it is on the outside compared to how small it feels inside. I don't care for the packaging at all
Next time you see one, take a look at the rear plates and see if there's a yellow "PM" sticker where the registration tag would be. Those are rental vehicles for Florida plated cars. CA has a white "Permanent Fleet" sticker on the top right of the rear plates. A lot of states have some variation of PM or Perm Fleet tags for rentals.
Every time I see a Wagoneer, Pacifica, or Dodge Hornet, it's a rental most of the time. If it's a Hornet, 105% of the time.
Exactly. Rental.
All out from either Tampa or Orlando. Our family rented this because of the amount of luggage it hauled. It sat us comfortably and had more than enough cargo. Great rental. Will never purchase one though.
Yeah definitely overpriced & most of that price tag goes towards the brand than the vehicle anyway. This will just further push more people towards Japanese & European cars.
My neighbors spent fat money on a brand new JGW. It then spent the next 18 months at the dealer getting everything replaced but 1 rear seats and a body panel.
Worst part to me of all of that is I hate big wheels, especially on Jeeps which need the sidewall. I may never be in the market or income bracket for a Canyonero class SUV so Jeep isn't selling to me, but dang it should've been a Chrysler.
I have 2022, had 5th child and needed bigger car with very little options at that time because of chip shortage and not many could afford them in our area, so literally only large suv. Other factors for timing because my husband got a new job and had to return his company car and new job did not have one. We love ours and have not had any issues and we have 68k miles on it.
93 comments of people's opinions and 1 owner who is happy. It's amazing the number of people who hate Wagoneers. Full-size GM suvs have no issues apparently.
Jeez, so much hate on here for Jeep and Stellantis. I have a 22 Wagoneer with 70K miles. I have a large family and do lots of towing of our camper and trailers. It's been rock solid and we love it. It didn't cost 100K either. We paid around 68K plus tax for a Series II with the technology package and a Hemi V8. Got 9K off sticker even back then.
lol, my experience is pretty close to the same as yours. If you haven’t towed with the hurricane yet, you should try it. I was beyond surprised - tows amazing.
For 76 in the real world, you’re really getting a base or low spec GX. Driven both, and bought the WL. The jeep Powertrain is smoother, has more power, and has way more room. I got the premium pack, and HD tow pack and spent only 67k. Couple hiccups early on - all resolved, and car has been flawless since. 40k miles now, and will buy another one here in a couple more years.
to be fair, you probably can't get a GX for that money since they're not making enough and toyota/lexus dealers love to slap on that ADM. but it's still very overpriced
Enterprise too! We had so many Wagoneer and grand wags. They're fantastic rental vehicles, but I wouldn't spend a dime of my own money on any Stellantis cars for personal ownership.
I have a rental 4xe Grand Wagoneer right now since my car got rear ended.
It's the complete opposite of a car I like to drive but...it's kind of nice? Even with 40k miles.
Anytime!
Just like how the Wagoneers' 4WD system can malfunction *anytime*...like when it's parked in our pick up lot and a customer tries to drive off after finishing up the paperwork -_-
I wonder how and if they'll add V2L (Vehicle 2 Load) capability like the 7.2kW Power Panel on the Ramcharger for external use. Say for camping or power tool use. I'd hate to have to leave the tailgate open to access a Power Panel. Maybe an extra access door in the back? An adapter power panel that plugs into the charging port doesn't seem stable enough. Any ideas?
I’m surprised Jeep is still trying to make the Grand Wagoneer work and still be a separate model too. I thought they would’ve just consolidated the two models into one by now.
[Hopefully the redesign won’t have the same electrical gremlins that require an entire interior to be torn up.](https://www.carscoops.com/2024/06/tiny-cable-damage-triggers-total-jeep-grand-wagoneer-interior-disassembly/)
Yes, they admitted some time ago that trying to make Wagoneer a sub-brand was a mistake. The Wagoneer S EV also has a Jeep badge on the front even though pre-production models didn't have it.
The only reason this turd didn't go the way of the Commander is because during the pandemic, people with money were so desperate for new cars they talked themselves into something from Stellantis.
Over/under how many more model years? I say +/-2
"This means we can look forward to a 3.6-liter V6 engine, a dual-motor all-wheel drive system, and a roughly 92 kWh battery pack"
This is actually insane. It's basically two complete powertrains in one car.
Something I didn't notice until just now: it has 8-lug wheels. Like the Ramcharger or REV, I suspect it's now heavy enough that it's legally a 3/4 ton.
Because it’s not really a hybrid like we’re used to. It’s a range extended EV. If I’m not mistaken the gas engine is just a generator, it’s not mechanically connected to the drivetrain.
absurdly large. For comparison this is the same size as the standard battery pack in the Rivian R1S. The Volvo XC90 Recharge has an 18.8 kWh battery, and is the closest comparison for a three-row plug-in hybrid I can think of.
I haven't been in the QX80...
But despite Ford's battle for recall supremacy with Stellantis, those Navigator seats are the most amazing things I have ever sat in.
the first new one looked decently good despite being complete shit underneath
this looks like a chinese car, way too oversimplified and 0 definition/depth on any sides of the vehicle
Every time I took my 4xe in the was at least one sad person with a Wagoneer. As much as I hate my Jeep, they paid even more for their jalopy. Now I just don't take the Jeep in because it's unfixable until engineering figures it out.
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