“Solar Generator” Question - Which is best for my use case?
Posted by OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit | preppers | View on Reddit | 23 comments
Hi all -
I have been trying my best to research options for a portable power solution that specifically uses solar. I know that gas/propane is what usually is recommended, however after storms last year I was without access to gasoline/any fuel for about 2 weeks.
Because of this I have been looking strictly into solar options. Right now, my main goal is to get through storm season being able to power my refrigerator/freezer. However I’m hoping to purchase a unit that can be expanded into a “whole home” or close to whole home solution in the future.
I’m hoping to purchase specifically from Costco, due to their return policy and customer service as I have seen many people discuss issues with their products/returning due to lithium batteries (I believe there are restrictions with shipping them).
Hoping to stay under $1.5k for initial purchase, and heavily considering buying:
1.) This Costco bundle: EcoFlow 1.5kWh Generator DELTA3 Plus + River3 Max + 3x 110W Solar Panel (Total Cost: $1,449)
2.) These two separately: EcoFlow DELTA 3 Premium 1500 Portable Power Station + 220W Solar Panel and EcoFlow RIVER 2 Pro Portable Power Station + 160W Solar Panel (Total Cost: $1,419)
I am also open to other brands and suggestions overall.
Least-Welcome@reddit
here's a solid site to compare portable power stations, for anyone interested: https://wattsreview.com/Products
wwglen@reddit
I would recommend waiting for EcoFlow to have an eBay sale on their refurbished Delta 2 Max for $699 or less if you can manage the weight. As the last of the Delta 2 models, it has a lot of the Delta 3 upgrades.
Then get a few (4-8) of the Eco-Worthy 130 watt panels for about $50 each on eBay. These are great for keeping in the garage and pulling out when you need them.
Morgrid@reddit
They have an ebay sale going on right now with a 20% coupon.
wwglen@reddit
Yep. $699 seems to be their “normal” coupon price. Once I saw it as low as $659.
The other option is the Delta 3 1500 for $479. You get a little smaller battery, but only one solar input vs two for the Delta 2 Max.
Morgrid@reddit
Check EcoFlow's certified refurbished page on Ebay for sales.
Right now they they have the Delta 3 Pro which is 3.6kwh for 1279 with 20% coupon.
Their refurbished stuff carries a full warranty.
AcrobaticOutcome9863@reddit
You could buy a delta 2 max and a small gas generator for when Solar is not a good option. Probably a good deal more reliable than Solar. I am thinking about doing this myself.
Old-Bee9904@reddit
Ecoflow and bluetti often have big sales on refurbished units on ebay. You can get more bang for your buck there. Ecoflow still gives you the 5 year warranty on refurbs
Virtual-Feature-9747@reddit
EcoFlow is a good brand. You can get a system that will keep a freezer running for your budget but the larger expandable/modular systems might be what you want.
I'm team Bluetti so I would recommend an AC200L with as many solar panels (PV35)0) as you can afford.
My general rule when it comes to these power banks is to double my estimated power requirements, half expected battery storage and half anticipated solar input. None of these things operate as advertised or expected in real world conditions.
OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit (OP)
Thanks for the information! I’ve seen Bluetti mentioned a bit but haven’t looked into them as I don’t believe Costco sells them (I could be wrong).
How has your experience been customer service/user experience wise with the Bluetti products?
ammar_zaeem@reddit
I have two bluetti power stations. Both of them are great. Haven't dealt with their customer service yet. Imo zero complaint on cs is impossible. Most of them seem to be positive.
Abject-Impress-7818@reddit
For your use case you want the largest capacity you can afford. I think either of these options is fine. They're different but one isn't really better than the other. And there's really only $40 in it so a minimal difference on a $1500 budget.
I think the first option is slightly better. I believe having all the same panel instead of different panels makes things a little easier and smoother to set up.
Really it comes down to the functional difference between
Writing this comment in real time as I look stuff up...
So, I'm looking on the Ecoflow website and "DELTA 3 Premium" isn't a thing that exists.
They are only showing that one "DELTA 3" model exists and it's the DELTA 3 Plus
So, the question then becomes:
River3 Max is just a bundle of the River3+300w extra battery. Total 600wh (expandable to ~900)
River2 Pro is 700 wh but does not appear to be expandable.
I'm a little confused as to the composition of these bundles. The Delta3 plus generator is nice and all but it doesn't seem to be compatible with the RIVER line at all. The site says, "expandable with DELTA 3 Extra Battery, DELTA Pro 3 Extra Battery, DELTA 2 Extra Battery or DELTA 2 Max Extra Battery."
Why do you need two separate batteries that can't connect to each other? (other than plugging one into the other, inefficiently)
OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit (OP)
The first one is a “pre-built” Costco bundle, and honestly the second I put together myself basing it off the first. I was looking at the premium specifically because it looks like its max capacity is higher (1536wh vs. 1024wh)
Link for Delta 3 1500 Premium at Costco
Abject-Impress-7818@reddit
DELTA Max (1600/2000) 24; or 24 +12 (Subject to registration) DELTA Pro 24; or 24 +36 (Subject to registration) DELTA 24 DELTA MINI 24 DELTA 2 5 years DELTA 2 Max 5 years DELTA Pro 3 5 years DELTA 3 Plus 5 years DELTA 3 1500 5 years DELTA Pro Ultra Inverter 5 years
The list of models on that page under the link to the warranty does not include anything called a "Delta 3 Premium".
cityprepping@reddit
Definitely recommend EcoFlow. I’ve tested every unit on the market and still recommend them for home backup. Very intelligent systems with a great ecosystem for add ons (like they’re smart gas generators). Make sure if you can to buy a model that can accept additional battery capacity for future upgrades.
8Deer-JaguarClaw@reddit
Love your channel!
I recall in your testing (on a shared spreadsheet as well), you pointed out one on the EcoFlow units has having a fairly inefficient power conversion rate. Something like lowish 80% range, where most other models in the same category were closer to 90% or even a little higher.
Has that been resolved to your knowledge? Was it just that one model (I forgot which it was)?
Thanks for all your hard work.
seeker_ktf@reddit
Hi. I wanted to jump in just to give you a head’s up on your plans. Before you rush into any buying, it’s important to consider what you need at minimum. Right now, you probably will be disappointed with your purchase. Please note that I am making up all these numbers as best I can for a reasonable example. You need to get a little deeper into this before you can be sure of what you need.
Step1, Power Output: Decide what things you want to power in an emergency and figure out how much power that is, at maximum. You want to power a refrigerator which is a huge power drain. A typical side-by-side fridge is going to use 800-1000 watts. There should be a metal plate inside the fridge that will have the information. It might list the voltage and amps instead of Watts, in which cast you multiply 115v (assuming) by the number of amps to get the max Watts. Now do that with all the other things you want to power. It’s honestly good to have a spreadsheet to keep track.
You will use that maximum number against what your battery pack says is the maximum. The Delta Pro 3 says it handles up to 4000w, so that sounds great, but look into that more and makes sure “up to” means with the actual device you are getting and not only by adding extra equipment.
Step 2, Capacity: OK, now you have to figure out if you have enough storage capacity (battery power). Again, from the spreadsheet, let’s say you measured 1000W. That means that for a full day’s use, you need 24hours X 1000W = 24,000 Wh, or 24 kWh! The good news is that your fridge doesn’t run 24 hours a day. They cycle on and off. If you have a kill-a-watt (and if you don’t, honestly you should get one), connect it to your fridge and let it go for 2 or 3 days to compute an average. Keep in mind that with no AC on in your house your fridge will run harder, so add 20% or so to that number for safety’s sake. I’ll go out on a limb ad say you’ll end with an average of 150-175w/hour, or so somewhere between 3.6-4.2 kWh per day.
Now, you might see the problem. The bank you want is “only” 4kWh. That’s a lot for a portable device, but not very much if you want to run a fridge. Realistically, it will run only a fridge for less than 2 days before it’s out of power unless you have a way to recharge (see next step 3). You will likely want to run it for 2 hours and turn it off completely to save power. Depending on the quality and how often you open it that might extend things, but you see what you have here. A 4kWh system is not what you are looking for, unless you can recharge it every day.
Step 3, Generation power: 300W worth of solar panels is not a lot at all. And those 3 panels will probably only generate around 200W on a good day, and only maybe 10 hours a day in the summer if there are no clouds. That means you can probably get 2 kWh extra every day, if you are lucky. That’s about half of what you need for just your fridge. You definitely need to shore up that 300W worth of solar panels. You can literally never have too many. Also, make sure they are all compatible with each other. It’s best to buy all of the same kind at the same time because you can run into lots of problems mixing different panels. Even buying the same brand many months apart can be a problem. That technology changes a lot all the time.
*By the way, this actually matters. If you still have incandescent bulbs in your fridge, replace them with LEDs. I was once running a generator at maximum, and opening the door choked everything, because 2 40W light bulbs is a lot of extra juice to support.
**I live in Houston, and was out of power for 4 days and 6 days last season and for 6 days I had lots of gas left over from my 6 gallons runnig my 2kW Honda inverter generator. I generally have the luxury of knowing when a storm is approaching and filling up my gas cans with non-ethanol gas (since hurricanes don't really sneak up on you). Everyone is different and has different needs so I hope this works out.
OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit (OP)
Thank you so much, I appreciate all of this information!
waltkozlowski@reddit
For whole home I think you need something along the lines of the Ecoflow Delta Pro 3 (or bigger $ Ultra) or the Anker F3800+, both of which are beyond $1500.
It depends on how many KwH you need for "whole home".
I was set to by the dual DP3 from costco but the software updates turning it into a brick, server login required to change charging parms (uh... the internet is down), and hard to access support has me leaning more towards Anker.
I haven't researched if Anker has the same server login requirements, but the support appears to be better.
OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit (OP)
Thank you! I’ve head a lot about the Ecoflow support issues which is why I am trying to protect myself and purchase through Costco.
Appreciate the input!
waltkozlowski@reddit
costco isn't going to help with problems on any power station. Best you'll get is an extended return window to take it back.
Gwladys_Street_Blue@reddit
I have an Ecoflow but I don’t use their solar panels, I have the Renogy 100W folding panel, you can usually get it for around £100 ($120) (Amazon) it’s been outstanding, used it to run a heated throw while night fishing and the 100w panel gives about 65w on a clear sunny day, I used it non stop for a week in France (while off grid) back in May.
kirksmith626@reddit
Both of those systems have pass through charging, make sure your cabling is long enough for the panels to reach of course.
OkPiezoelectricity24@reddit (OP)
Noted, thank you!