Medvedev reminds Trump of Russia's Doomsday nuclear strike capabilities….the DEAD HAND. All 3,000 nukes are automatically launched without human interaction from detecting vibrations on Russian land.
Posted by f47Thunderbolt@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 257 comments
Ideo expl
rg2004@reddit
So North Korea, Pakistan, Israel, India or China could nuke Russia, Russia automatically nukes the US, the US automatically retaliates.
Cool that anyone that can trip the seismographs and detonate a dirty bomb holds this much power over the world.
MagnetHype@reddit
If nukes come out, everybody will start nuking everybody any way.
cubanfuban@reddit
But I am le tired
MagnetHype@reddit
Then take a nap, zen fire ze missiles!
psillycybins@reddit
THE END
brokenringlands@reddit
Wtf mate?
KillerR0b0T@reddit
Fucking kangaroos… but they’ll be dead soon anyhow.
echaa@reddit
Fucking kangaroos
PlanetOfThePancakes@reddit
Wow this thread brings back so many memories lol
pheonix198@reddit
So are Russian nukes. They’ve attempted to test launch a couple of their platforms recently and they failed miserably.
alexthealex@reddit
A dirty bomb wouldn’t meaningfully trip seismographs. They aren’t nuclear explosions; they’re conventional explosives with a radioactive payload meant to contaminate the area surrounding the explosion.
Electrical-Lab-9593@reddit
correct a hand grenade wrapped in cobalt is a small dirty bomb
Pizzasupreme00@reddit
Not how it works. It's not just seismographs.
Kindofdisappointed@reddit
It’s called Mutually Assured Destruction
TacticalSniper@reddit
Knowing Russia, I wouldn't count on them actually having any mechanism of this type.
demwoodz@reddit
They do, it’s a hydraulic system filled with orange juice concentrate, a rubber band tied to a nesting doll which activates the empty vodka bottle which..
FuckinBopsIsMyJob@reddit
"Dmitriy! Ze wodka bottle vas supposed to be full!"
elrelampago1988@reddit
The existence of Dead Hand is verified reality, that the system works as advertised is unknown considering no one has alpha striked Russia yet.
I researched lightly a few years ago and I believe the dead hand has to send a message to Russian nuclear command once its sensors are triggered and the Russians get a few minutes to stop Dead Hand from sending the counter attack order.
Also I believe the dead hand doesn't directly launch the Russian nukes it just has the authority to send the launch signal.
wimn316@reddit
Assuming the book i read on the topic is accurate, its not just "Russia got nuked". Command and control has to be gone as well. So, it would have to be a successful decapitation strike on Russian Civil and military authority.
And even then, unless they've changed it, its not fully automated. Still relies on a decision being made by someone who is basically sheltered enough to launch when they confirm that command and control is nuked.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
You have it backwards bro. DEAD HAND means Russian military command is already gone. The computer system’s sensors takes over and auto launches
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
It says "anybody" not "somebody". They mean it like, let's say one day North Korea wants to commit suicide and take the world with it, "all" they have to do is nuke Russia's central command.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
I'm glad Russia hasn't had any earthquakes recently.
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
It's not purely based on vibrations. It's based on a combination of seismic readings and radiation detectors. An earthquake couldn't trigger it unless the earthquake somehow released huge amounts of radiation.
The system also isn't always turned on. It gets turned on only during times of tension. They would definitely have it on now, however.
Girafferage@reddit
Rods from god it is.
UncleCarolsBuds@reddit
This, people forget about this. They are up there in orbit, just waiting.
C-SWhiskey@reddit
They aren't, because it's not a practical solution.
Canwesurf@reddit
No, it was never implemented. There are no tungsten rods waiting to be dropped from space
gravity_surf@reddit
magnetic pole flip could cause quakes and down the magnetosphere that protects from radiation. that would kick us while we’re down to say the least
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
The closest American equivalent (that I'm aware of) is the Boeing E-4. The Boeing E-4, sometimes referred to as the doomsday plane, has special communication and control systems built in to allow it to serve as an airborne command center, in the event that STRATCOM were destroyed. Each Boeing E-4 has the ability to take command of America's nuclear forces.
The entire inventory of Boeing E-4's are assigned to Offutt Air Force Base in Nebraska, the same base where STRATCOM is located. However, the E-4's operate in a rotation, which ensures that there is always at least 1 in the air at any given moment, while the others are receiving maintenance/refueling.
kayl_breinhar@reddit
The E-4 does have the ability to be used in this role, but the one thing it lacks is the Airborne Launch Control System aboard the E-6B. The E-6B is the true "Doomsday Plane," while the E-4B is much more of a "disaster management" plane that can handle Doomsday duties.
Also, there isn't an E-4B aloft 24/7/365, because they're hideously expensive to fly per flight hour. They're kept on alert 24/7/365 with a power umbilical connection so they're ready to fly with minimal preparation. There's at least one E-6B airborne at all times, and spare airframes on ground alert at any one of four military bases spread out across the country (one each on both coasts and two in the Midwest).
Averiella@reddit
I have to ask - where do y’all learn this stuff? The amount of times I come onto this subreddit and learn about things I wouldn’t even be able to imagine to research is quite frequent.
Classic-Progress-397@reddit
Some people deal with incredible emotionally distressing information by over-processing the technical details. There are millions of people like this. So when you start to talk about a school shooting, they will create walls of technical information about specific guns and ammo in the middle of a grief-laden thread about it. Its how they cope I guess.
kayl_breinhar@reddit
Personal curiosity that turned into professional responsibilities after grad school.
grummanae@reddit
I think theres also E6's set out at bases in Japan and the UK for covering the Far western Pacific and Indian oceans for Japan and the eastern Atlantic and the Mediterranean for Europe... those E6's being solely used for vhf comms with subs the north American based would have the remote launch capability for the minuteman fields and would probably circle SD Montana Wyoming and North Dakota VHF has a pretty decent range and I dont think the launch capability would rely strictly on UHF or line of sight.
The big thing to remember is Russia still has its dead hand system
The US had something like that, but I dont think it ever took a human out of the loop
I think it was up to 4 minuteman missiles with transmitters to send the launch order through VHF or the GHFSCS one for Arizona ( titan fields ) and 1 for western ( Wyoming /montana )minuteman 1 for northern minuteman ( grand forks) and one for minot/ ellsworth minuteman fields
Even with the E6 having the capability it still has to be 2 people turning the key on the plane, and if Im not mistaken the minuteman system has it built in where 2 at least LCC's out of a wing need to initiate a launch for those missiles to fire so in essence a flight of 10 assigned to A flight would need B flight to initiate... with the E6 activating remote launch A flight would have its second LCC with the E6
Next_Salamander_8015@reddit
Can we at least appreciate that at one point there was an E6B with the callsign ORDER66
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
I thought the E-6 was the same thing as the E-4, but for the Navy instead of the Air Force. What does it do?
kayl_breinhar@reddit
The E-6 currently interfaces and operates with both Navy and Air Force nuclear assets (the missile subs and the land-based ICBMs). Both the E-4 and E-6 have the five mile-trailing VLF antenna in their tails to send messages to the subs, though.
That's set to change in the coming decades, though, as the missions diverge again, going back to the way it was in the Cold War, where the Navy communicates specifically with the submarines while the Air Force focuses on the bombers and land-based missiles. They're also going to gradually replace the E-6B with an EC-130J variant.
The E-4 has a lot of duties other than ending the world, most of them focused on saving it rather than blowing it up. They've been used as mobile command posts for FEMA after natural disasters and as a ride for SecDef when the C-32s and C-40s don't have the range to make it from A>B promptly.
ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4@reddit
I sure do love how we keep cycling between "we need to integrate our armed forces" (e.g. F-35) and "we need to let each service handle their areas of expertise".
Upper-Requirement-93@reddit
"doomsday duties" lol
dyslexic-alien@reddit
Problem is if the country is destroyed, the plane would not have a safe place to land, and whoever is alive, may not be so kind to the people responsible for it. Law enforcement and supply chains would be obligated and a country can’t exits if people don’t “follow” the law. It would be a free for all.
It’s likely that place would land in Europe somewhere leaving the Us as a wasteland
Ok_Can_9433@reddit
There are going to huge swaths of the US left to safely land after every nuke on the planet is detonated.
SadCowboy-_-@reddit
The US doesn’t have fire strike doctrine.
So all of our nukes would be fired after a nuclear attack is launched on us.
Most countries would let the president of the formerly known US land in their country.
LittleForestbear@reddit
Trust me the gov has more under ground cities w total control then above ground cities they’ll be able to land and prosper in a dooms day event we pheasants on the other hand won’t
firekeeper23@reddit
And probably narrated by Kevin Pierce.......
Valuable-Flounder692@reddit
Kind of like America today? Law following?
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
That's true, but the assumption is that the plane in the air can't be destroyed by a sudden SLBM (submarine launched ballistic missile) attack the way a stationary airbase can.
If a Russian/Chinese ballistic missile submarines fired its missiles from the Arctic circle, or worse, off the coast of California, the Offutt Air Force Base would be nuked within minutes, because it is one of the highest priority targets, if not the most important target. Because that's where all of America's nukes are controlled from.
In such a scenario, the entire base would be obliterated before having any opportunity to assess the situation or order retaliation. Thus, having at least 1 Boeing E-4 in the air at all times to take control acts as a deterrent against that sort of decapitation strike.
Peterimeter fulfills the same function for the Russians, ensuring that retaliation occurs even in the event of a sudden decapitation strike.
Beakerisphyco@reddit
I was a 1A3 in the USAF. The E-4 isn't on the air at all times. It's on the ground with engines running.
RelationRealistic@reddit
Omaha!....Middle America....
FoCoYeti@reddit
My neighbor used to fly one! He has served as an Apache helicopter pilot in Iraq or Afghanistan too. Nice dude.
thehairyhobo@reddit
It goes deeper than that. The Russians and Americans both have a version of the dead man's switch. It only takes 3 city killers to doom the world.
Evening-Ad5765@reddit
So glad Boeing built this system. Only the highest quality build standards from Boeing built planes! I feel safer already.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Its also not something they have on all the time. The whole system was sketchy and it was only designed to be turned on if there was a credible threat because what if it misfired. Heck a lot of experts don't even think it was ever real or operational and the myth of it was used to try and intimidate the west.
TRIPMINE_Guy@reddit
Yeah I still don't buy it. What if there is a glitch and it sends them anyways? Russia would be retaliated against massively. Makes no sense and is absolute bs.
StupendousMalice@reddit
It's also completely fucking made up like every other Russian super weapon in history.
_ECMO_@reddit
What´s "super" about it? You think in 2025 systems capable of monitoring seismic activity, radiation levels and laughing missiles are some arcane technology?
StupendousMalice@reddit
Actually yes, unless you can point me to some actual evidence that it exists.
ExaltedDLo@reddit
You mean like when that earthquake took out a nuclear power plant in Japan right near Russia’s eastern seaboard in 2011?
Like that?
lukaskywalker@reddit
What if an earthquake destroyed a nuclear powerplant or one of the warheads?
PickingPies@reddit
This is why we should not allow nuclear weapons in general.
They are a ticking bomb. It's just a matter of time that an accident or error triggers the automatic systems.
Intuner@reddit
Wait until these "stable geniuses" decide to use AI to control nuclear arsenals.
We KNOW how that will play out!
InfiniteDelusion094@reddit
Ah yes, AM will be built in our lifetimes. Harlan Ellison may have been eerily accurate about the fate of mankind.
lukaskywalker@reddit
Challenge_Declined@reddit
If it even exists
Spunktank@reddit
What a stupid system... how do you even engineer appropriate fail safes for something so dumb.
Beachhouse15@reddit
An earthquake and a Chernobyl type event are not impossible.
LilGrunties@reddit
Well, hear me out, let's say a mid size meteor hit a nuclear missile silo in the middle of nowher, Russia. The impact caused the nuke to explode because it is poorly made and like 40 years old. So we get massive seismic readings and radiation.
Is the world over? What kind of stupid fucking system is this?
Qwert-4@reddit
I just read 2 articles on Perimeter, aka 15Э601, aka Dead Hand. An idea that it can activate without human input is a speculation and is not based on any official data. The most reliable description of it's innerworkings can be found in an interview with one of the developers:
Lyuseefur@reddit
Oh it’s a good thing that explosions and nuclear facilities don’t melt down.
Oh wait.
DT5105@reddit
My money is that the janitor was pawning detector parts to buy the Chernobyl series DVD
vanhalenbr@reddit
Oh gladly they don’t have any nuclear plant that could fail in an earthquake… oh wait!
ChallengingBullfrog8@reddit
Remember when people claimed Trump was pro Putin? He’s not, he’s an extreme Russian aggressor.
Zovski24@reddit
this is bs theater to make people like you says "Look if he was Putin's puppet he wouldn't be doing that" , it's all mutually agreed, don't forget Trump stood on the stage and said he trusts Putin more than his own FBI, Russians did too many favors for Trump there is no way he's gonna go against Putin, remember loyalty is the most important thing for these types of people, in 2 weeks after Witkoff comes back from Russia with new orders and psy op blueprints, Trump will be back to the usual bs with them
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
He absolutely was pro-Putin, just not in the way that many people kept saying. People kept describing him as "Russian asset" as though Trump were actually an FSB informat. In reality, he just really liked Putin and genuinely though Putin was a personal friend of his.
However, Trump had a very unrealistic understanding of his relationship with Putin. We've also seen time and time again that Trump massively overestimated his ability to actually make "deals" despite his obsession with wanting to be seen as the ultimate dealmaker.
So now, he's angry, because he genuinely convinced himself that he could make the Ukraine war end in days by having a single phone call with Putin. He now feels betrayed, because he feels Putin made him look "weak" which is what Trump hates and fears more than anything else. This is driving him to do increasingly reckless moves to compensate.
That, and Trump is absolutely desperate to find SOMETHING to get the Epstein scandal out of the news and get him positive coverage. He's hoping this will do that. And it might work! The media has a habit of praising Trump whenever he does militarily aggressive actions, like how they fawned over him after the B-2 strikes on Iran.
Wonderful-Variation@reddit
The thing about moving the submarines is, although its an extremely provocative action in theory, in practice it does absolutely nothing to affect the state of the battlefield in Ukraine, which is what Russia actually cares about. I mean, Medvedev is correct, the USA cannot nuke Russia without instantly dooming itself. So it's a way for Trump to look aggressive (something he clearly wants at the moment) without actually doing anything.
saltyoursalad@reddit
He literally makes decisions based on whoever he talked to last.
xShooK@reddit
Follow the money.
joeg26reddit@reddit
It’s bullshit
xShooK@reddit
And their deadhand system famously never had any malfunctions!
Sylvan_Skryer@reddit
If it even still works or ever existed in the first place.
Aggressive-Ad3286@reddit
Lol it doesnt exist...
Bacontoad@reddit
Or asteroid strikes.
Altruistic-Text3481@reddit
What are Trump and Medvedev fighting about? Anyone know. Is Medvedev going to release Trump Kompromat?
TransportationFree32@reddit
yeah I am pretty sure we al die when this baby hits 8.8 shakes per hour....just having fun
ReturnoftheSnek@reddit
Yeah, one of the largest ever recorded if I remember right
gamergirlgstring@reddit
tied for sixth. we haven’t had anything close to 8.8 in over a decade
dupa-osiem@reddit
That is a lie. Actually two lies: - there are no 3000 missiles with ability to just launch them from the ground/silos etc. There are air launched missiles and just plain old stupid nuclear bombs. Moreover, most of them are kept in storage. Russia has approximately 300-400 missiles ready to launch. The rest of them are kept in storage, so you cannot just press the button to launch them all - DEAD HAND is not fully automatic, it can automatically detect if there was a nuclear blast in Russia, if there is still communication line with head of state/top generals etc and only if the answer is no, after some time (60min? I don't remember) it gives permission to launch missiles to the officer who is currently on his shift in 60m underground bunker
ivakasass@reddit
Well if an earthquake didn't trigger them I won't worry about it
0verlordSurgeus@reddit
Oh so Dr. Strangelove was pretty on the money, huh
torklugnutz@reddit
Dr Strangelove is real
maincoonpower@reddit
Roller_Bonez@reddit
This fucking sent me.
ButterBeanTheGreat@reddit
Where are you going?
PresentClear8639@reddit
Down Radiation Road.
BreweryStoner@reddit
The church of Atom
AmNotLost@reddit
Gentlemen, you can't fight here! This is the War Room!
bitingmyownteeth@reddit
"The deciding factor was when we learned that your country was working along similar lines, and we were afraid of a doomsday gap."
Potential-Medium-474@reddit
Our source was the New York Times
owlindenial@reddit
"We were going to announce it in the upcoming peace conference next Sunday"
AmNotLost@reddit
Let me finish, Dmitri!
carolisajoke@reddit
Came here for this.
SnooHesitations8174@reddit
Considering how well maintained the Russian military equipment was prior to the Ukraine war. How many of the 3000 do you think actually work.
Opposite-Chemistry-0@reddit
It is partly BS at least.
Rockets, let's just call all icbm etc as rockets, need fuel in order to fly. Jet fuel is corrosive, so, rockets are not kept fueled all the time. I dont think they fuel themselves if needed to launch. I dont think Russia has had resources to keep doomsday launch arsenal in good condition for decades.
So, there must be a human factor anyway, at least the fuel part. Humans take their time. Humans make errors.
On the other hand, West does not have to wipe whole world. They only have to wipe Russian arsenal. So, our launch capability is smaller but we dont need more. It is cheaper to maintain due to smaller size.
I bet if it came to daggers out, Russia would be able to damage but much less they wish they could meanwhile losing everything.
ky420@reddit
Yes and they all get wiped out too if they do it...same game since ww2. Their systems are pretty vulnerable from what I have seen of them.. having thar running on auto is dangerous.
vincec36@reddit
At least it wasn’t kept secret like the movie
AccidentalTourista@reddit
He also reminded Trump that he’s a pedo
Kbrito9@reddit
I'm tired of this news cycle. Either do it already or stfu.
Remember to do it overnight so I don't have to work a full day before being vaporized.
IronCoffins90@reddit
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
anxious_stoic@reddit
what happens if the nuke sites gets bombed? will they fail to launch?
u_r_being_watched@reddit
At least it will be quick. Fuck these assholes. I just wanted to see my kids grow up.
ruinatedtubers@reddit
don’t worry it’s just deflection from the epstein files
the_real_dairy_queen@reddit
I did too. That’s the worst part of all of this. My kid has to grow up through all of this. This is the rest of her life, worst case scenario. And every day it feels like we get closer to the worst case scenario.
Akimbo_Zap_Guns@reddit
We have been on the worst case scenario timeline for 10 years now with a blip in 2020 🤷🏼♂️. Won’t shock me if all these powerful narcissists take everyone down with them
RT_456@reddit
Wait, so an earthquake in Russia could be the end of the world?
Zarktheshark1818@reddit
Medvedev is the same as Trump, hes a blow hard. Anybody who follows Russia knows hes not a serious person and hasnt been a for a while. I dont even pay attention to him, though for purely entertainment purposes Im glad these 2 are in a spat lol
LadyMhicWheels@reddit
He also reminded trumpzy that mossad and ruskies have vids of his "immoralities". Wonder what they meant? 😲
Aware-Cucumber8576@reddit
You’ve gotta be a real self righteous butthole to be like “if I die, all other 8 billion people do also.”
Onehungryson127@reddit
Let’s us learn that without puppets there’s no show- so why kill us off? They need the energy- they aren’t stupid we are for believing these baited topics- lol watch laws of the sun
AntiTrollSquad@reddit
Good old Medvedev giving Trump a hand so we forget about those pesky files. That's a good friend.
Pitiful-Doubt4838@reddit
I'm pretty sure I saw something earlier after Trump moved two nuclear subs from Medvedev saying that "Mossad isn't the only one with files".
TheSamurabbi@reddit
Weapons of Mass Distraction
Opposite-Bit6660@reddit
And so we never find out how many of Trump's models and pageant contestants came from Russia AND how much money Russia laundered from Trump's child sex honeytrap operation.
buzzedewok@reddit
Why didn’t they launch when they had the 8.8 earthquake then?
amwes549@reddit
Don't most normal Russians consider this guy a clown? So it's clown-to-clown communication then lol.
oleolegov@reddit
There is no normal Russians
amwes549@reddit
Weird, because Russians on reddit seem to think Medvedev is a clown.
The_Negative-One@reddit
I don’t think all 3,000 are capable of launching, but there’s probably just enough to completely fuck all of us.
jredful@reddit
Russia doesn’t have 300 nukes, let alone 3000.
They’d be lucky to get 100 off the ground.
arnuga@reddit
Sorry, nope, complete bs. There is zero chance their stuff is properly maintained, in good working condition or in many cases even reviewed in the last 20 years. I’m sure their nukes are as well maintained as the rest of their military
headlune77@reddit
and how many actually work?
waffledestroyer@reddit
Before the Ukraine war, Russia's military budget was around $60 billion per year for the whole military, including their nuclear missiles.
The US spends roughly the same amount on maintaining their nuclear forces alone.
Yet Russia claims to have the same amount of nukes, if not more, than the US. I'd be surprised if 10-20% of their nukes even work anymore. That's still a serious threat of course, but not the end of the world.
TheGonadWarrior@reddit
That's 50 to 100 nuclear warheads. Depending on the yields and where the land the death toll would still be staggering
theletterdubbleyou@reddit
This is the longest thing I've submitted on Reddit but idc, I simply love talking about this kind of shit and it's a Friday night so I'm being courageous.
For anyone who's ready to jump right into this topic full-bore, I always recommend Annie Jacobsen's newest (most recent) book titled *Nuclear War: A Scenario" - an intricately-researched and insanely-detailed account of a fictional nuclear conflict that begins with a bolt-out-of-the-blue ICBM attack from North Korea, the new Hwasong 19 being launched at the continental United States, and an as-accurate-as-possible, minute-by-minute crisis that unfolds in real time and includes a genuinely shocking level of detail as seen from the perspective of not only Americans on the ground but government officials and NORAD employees.
It describes the exact procedure for evacuating a sitting president while simultaneously explaining the truly impossible life and death decisions in which only a literal handful of people in a chain of command have the power to make, and how little time is realistically provided for them to finalize such decisions. It is a mostly-linear, easy to follow scenario that I underestimated, assuming it was just some unoriginal rehashed piece of work that wouldn't have the balls to "go there" so-to-speak. But it is far from unoriginal and I now consider it top 3 most frightening (but totally impossible to put down) reads of my life, and I've seen a lot.
By the middle point of the book I found myself so heavily engrossed, so invested in it that I felt like a kid reading my first Goosebumps book and then getting too scared to fall asleep afterwards!
I also listened to the audiobook with my now-late father and it was such a visceral shared experience (and she reads her own works) that I'll hopefully never forget it. All he kept saying was (paraphrased) "this was something we were told was simply inevitable when I was a kid, but no one had any reasonable idea of how or what would ever happen because at some point we knew the radios and televisions would go out and we'd be in the dark." And this was super cool to hear from him, because even after I'd studied other in-depth Cold War history in college he remained the pretty mute on the whole childhood/youth experience of anything other than Vietnam.
Which, looking back on it all now, is a fucking insane way of living! And a conscious decision to sensationalize current events as they happened in the headlines, nightly news bringing the Cold War and the Russians or the Americans (and on and on) right into your own home every night.
The tragic, fearful resignation to being almost guaranteed nuclear war was "likely" and how LITTLE people actually knew about the realities of how it might begin; what it's like during the apocalyptic bombardment; the lack of fail-safes on both sides of the superpowers; not a fucking word about the terrifying, inhumane biological and chemical weapons that were and probably still are part of the final stage of mutual annihilation; and finally the flat-out lies concerning "recovery" of "what's left" of humanity post-nuclear war... What prompted millions of people to actively dig fallout shelters and fall for the nonsense that there was merely a brief waiting period before it was safe to come back out and ... Resume your activities or something?
Reagan was himself misinformed so badly that even as president he somehow had it in his head that "submarine fired nuclear missiles were able to be recalled" until he gave a press conference saying this exact thing and his top generals sat him down afterwards and had the "well akshually..." chat with him, telling him that they honestly couldn't reverse any of it once launched, and WOW because this was supposed to quite literally be the trump-card, but the bluff that Reagan was actively threatening the USSR with wasn't actually a bluff and never was and never would be. He had a ROUGH wakeup call, it seems, because his nuclear annihilation rhetoric was seriously toned down and then we all know the story of the 3hr television movie that influenced him to change his approach to RU altogether, yada yada.
So I've certainly strayed off of my OG point regarding the Annie Jacobsen book, but actually most of the latter half of what I've said is part of the novel as it provides more than its fair share of what was previously never ever publicly known about super specific aspects of a real-life nuclear threat situation and the precise step by step description of an American response, as well as American responsibility, accountability and faith in the system of diplomacy and deterrence withstanding rogue actors.
If anyone actually reads all of this and has an urge to read or listen to the Nuclear War audiobook etc. I'll show my appreciation by purchasing it for you because I'd love for someone else to willingly join my obsession over here. Goddamn.
Good luck and goodnight. ☠️🪖
kingofthesofas@reddit
I am just going to comment that while her book is an interesting read in terms of how nuclear weapons and processes work her entire scenario is non credible to the max. Use it to be more informed about what an uncontrolled escalation would look like at least in terms of impact BUT north Korea is not going to get a desiel submarine to the coast line of the US to launch a nuke and that would not start an uncontrolled escalation. With a single nuke like that they would wait to see what happens before launching a counter strike and they would also escalate conventionally and the US military could use nukes like air launched cruise missiles and gravity bombs that would not be mistaken for a first strike on Russia. They would almost certainly not do anything in a moment like that to look like a strike on Russia or China because defense planners are well aware of the escalation risks.
TheGonadWarrior@reddit
I read that book and can't recommend it enough. We live on a razors edge
RisibleLaughter@reddit
The choking oppression of fear for what could be without knowing what actually is has been fascinating.
A true moment for human evolution needed because what happens when we opened the door to our own annihilation, but don’t under that it’s way more expansive that thought.
I would love to read that book? It has to be quite lengthy but captivating.
NotKira@reddit
I’m interested!
willwork4pii@reddit
$60 billion my ass.
Doesn’t Putin claim he’s worth like fourteen dollars or some Shit?
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
AI search says:
Studies suggest that the use of less than 1% of the world's nuclear weapons could disrupt the global climate and lead to a nuclear famine, potentially threatening billions with starvation.
waffledestroyer@reddit
What studies? I'm not an expert, but it could be BS. I mean some wildfires burn much larger areas than many major cities and release more smoke than they would if they were torched by nuclear strikes. Yet there aren't even local or regional mass die-offs of human populations.
This may not be the best source, but Canadian Prepper did a video on the nuclear winter myth. You might find his contrarian viewpoint interesting, if you can still think without AI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVvj5e20wc
AliceCode@reddit
Stop getting your information from chat bots, they have huge margins of inaccuracy.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Its smarter than you.
WornTraveler@reddit
Are you even fact checking it literally at all? And if you knew how to do that, why even bother with the chatbot? Why not just Google and sort through to find reputable sources and read those?
No. You just blindly trust it. Because you are -super- bright.
jorel43@reddit
In this case they're not wrong, 300 plus nuclear weapons launched will obliterate the world, doesn't matter where in the world they are launched. That is enough to destroy the planet's climate.
KublaKahhhn@reddit
Hilarious fiction
Rich_Consequence2633@reddit
I'm really not trying to die in a nuclear wasteland before I even hit 40. Can Trump please fuck off already. I don't care how at this point.
Prestigious-Log-7210@reddit
Unfortunately a lot of people are pulling Trumps strings. Putin included
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
First this assumes that it is real in the first place.
Next this assumes they still have working nukes (not an assumption that should be made) for the system to launch. Such systems are enormously complex and expensive. They can't take care of their tank corps let alone build their "stealth" felons. So I don't believe that for a moment.
Most importantly this is exactly like russia playing the nuke card every time they commit war crimes. If they are going to say they get control of the world because nukes then everyone else has to assume their country will be destroyed. And ignore the nuke play. Because it will come down to the same thing. Before or after years of suffering.
Just make sure Putin knows he will be the first target.
And go from there.
ThisCreamyNation@reddit
If you were dating my daughter I would let you know that you shouldn't pull out tonight.
wanderingpeddlar@reddit
Not gay, but thanks.
ThisCreamyNation@reddit
First this assumes that it is real in the first place.
Next this assumes they still have working nukes (not an assumption that should be made) for the system to launch. Such systems are enormously complex and expensive. They can't take care of their tank corps let alone build their "stealth" felons. So I don't believe that for a moment.
Most importantly this is exactly like russia playing the nuke card every time they commit war crimes. If they are going to say they get control of the world because nukes then everyone else has to assume their country will be destroyed. And ignore the nuke play. Because it will come down to the same thing. Before or after years of suffering.
Just make sure Putin knows he will be the first target.
And go from there.
EveryAccount7729@reddit
Trump should just say we can shoot down 12,000 nukes.
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
So sad... Trump and Putin waving their little weiners around...
double-xor@reddit
If that were true, why didn’t the massive 8.7+ quake set them all off?
New-Doctor9300@reddit
Nothing ever happens. This is all to distract from Epstein.
GoldenSama@reddit
“Nothing ever happens” is what a lot of people said when the Biden Admin leaked news that Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine.
Not saying this has any teeth to it, but just assuming nothing will happen doesn’t have a great track record.
terserterseness@reddit
it wont work though
dnhs47@reddit
Given the 3rd largest earthquake ever measured just happened on Russian territory, we should have expected 3,000 nukes to auto-launch, right?
So let’s count the nukes actually launched: uh, that’d be zero.
More empty, pathetic saber rattling by an impotent Russia. Yawn.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Weird analysis….
Dead_Inside50@reddit
But accurate. I was thinking the same thing. Deadman launched based on ground vibrations? Unlikely.
_ECMO_@reddit
It´s only accurate if you didn't bother reading further than the title.
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
The seismic / vibrations thing does not seem to be in the article. OP wrote that on their own and given the rest of their posting history I would not put trust in their ability to read accurately or find good sources.
willwork4pii@reddit
You’re pretty stupid, huh?
It’s a dead hand switch…. It launches because it doesn’t detect activity, not from detecting activity.
Zealousideal_Rise716@reddit
My understanding is that while Russia has close to 6000 warheads, just 1800 of them are actually available and capable of being launched.
When you think about it - their submarine fleet might only be able to launch a few hundred, and that depends on the US subs that are shadowing them not destroying them first or very soon afterwards.
Their airforce long-range bomber fleet has been greatly reduced by the Ukraine conflict, either destroyed or worked to death. And none of them have stealth capacity comparable to the B21, so how far they would get before being shot down is hard to answer, but not a lot I would wager.
That leaves their ICBM silos. I will grant these are probably capable of launching quite a few hundred before being destroyed. After all we know exactly where each one is. And we might well intercept at least 50%.
It would of course be a very bad day at the office, but we would likely survive.
But Russia is politically and economically just two cities, and within minutes of the first launch, both would be utterly reduced to glass with multiple megaton blasts. There would be no more Russia and they know it.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Intercepting an INTERCONTINENTAL BALLISTIC missile is a myth. You watch way too many movies bro.
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
Because Grok told you so right?
_ECMO_@reddit
I suppose you should learn manners if you want people to engage with you.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Grok “this”
Boring-Philosophy-46@reddit
George W Bush broke the nuclear non proliferation treaty (which made Putin, who had been on course for westernization, extremely paranoid and do a 180°) in order to develop a shield against them. Last I heard it was about 50% effective and the US does have it operational. Supposedly the Israeli version is about 65% effective. Trump now is piping money into Elon's sattelites and AI in order to allegedly detect launches and move to intercept earlier, which is probably not going to work / yield too many false positives but if it does, might improve interception further. So I would not say a myth.
Zealousideal_Rise716@reddit
I watch no movies. But have worked for a company in this field and while I know there are many, many variables in how effective interceptions might be - what I do know is we don't rely on just waiting for a launch to 'take us by surprise'.
forestflowersdvm@reddit
oh so only 900 nukes will land on me instead of 6000 now I feel much better
Zealousideal_Rise716@reddit
Well there are about 4000 cities in the world that are potential targets - and frankly the chances of Russia being able to successfully target even 900 of them are slim.
Again - not discounting the tremendous after effects, not saying it isn't a catastrophe - but my point is it's survivable for us, but absolutely not for Russia.
TheGonadWarrior@reddit
No the death toll would be catastrophic. Government and economy would cease to function. The air would be poisonous for weeks if not months. Not survivable.
CRZYFOX@reddit
Yeah the majority cannot go a few days without the net. Let alone electricity. It would be pandemonium.
forestflowersdvm@reddit
old school american exceptionalism "we can survive being nuked but russia cannot"
Zealousideal_Rise716@reddit
I'm not an American. That country is just 5% of the global population.
forestflowersdvm@reddit
no wonder you're so glib, yall don't have a nuke one. Of course you're going to survive it nobody's shooting at or near you.
RedditimeFren@reddit
"LOL you just say that cause you're American!!"
"LOL you just say that cause you're not American!!"
lol
Zealousideal_Rise716@reddit
Nowhere did I say I wanted this - but the point is the Russians would want it even less.
Here's the calculus - it really depends on Putin's sanity. If we are to consider him a rational actor, then the above calculus says he will never used nukes as a first strike.
But what if he is not a rational actor? What he decides - as has some Russian commentators said out loud - that if the Ruski Mir cannot exist in the world, then it's not worth the world existing? In other words the 'flip the Monopoly board over gambit'?
A dog can be dangerous, but almost always they can be engaged, soothed and settled. But a rabid dog is another thing.
exbusinessperson@reddit
Sure they have it
kultureisrandy@reddit
Lmao wow what an empty threat
Dick-Swiveller@reddit
I think Peter Sellers was great in Doctor Strangelove!
ChollyWheels@reddit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHzmMHxQy4
Gumb1i@reddit
I doubt they have 300 functional ICBMs based on the amount of corruption and how well they maintain their equipment.
ChollyWheels@reddit
> I doubt they have 300 functional ICBMs
But a single hydrogen bomb would wipe out New York City and surrounding suburbs.
The time is long past when being "strong" meant having a bigger pile of rocks to toss at other chimps hoarding a pile of rocks.
Virtual_Ordinary2396@reddit
So how do we know that this whole back and forth isn’t some kind of collaboration between Trump and Putin? Is Putin doing this to help Trump get the heat off himself? The timing of it & the fact it’s Medvedev as the instigator instead of Putin raised red flags in my mind.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Collusion accusations was debunked. Go outside and touch grass
Akimbo_Zap_Guns@reddit
Not what the senate report said years ago
No-Fail7484@reddit
Unfortunately for Russia the rockets are in such bad shape the test rocket for a show of power rose up and fell over destroying the launch pad. He is afraid to try launching more due to the poor maintenance on them. He’s in a pickle fie to corruption running rampant in his military. They are just like him.
averagelatinxenjoyer@reddit
Incredible how many people are willing to bet their life on sth which could very well be a telephone game.
regjoe13@reddit
From what I understand, nothing is "lunched automatically" but lunch authority is given to all the silo crews and mobile units.
texan01@reddit
So… what kind of lunch are we getting? Cause I could go for a good Stromboli.
Marie_Hutton@reddit
For real! Not to be ungrateful, but I am getting a little tired of knuckle sandwiches.
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
First, "nuclear winter was largely politically motivated from the beginning" (William R. Cotton) aka grossly exaggerated.
In particular, Owen Toon claims an approximate linear relationship between area burnned and megatonnage used in the war, so if we reverse his approximation then the 2023 wildfires in Canada caused a nuclear winter roughly like nuclear war using 2000 megatons. NYC skies were darkennd by those wildfires, but only a for a few weeks.
Second, Russia only has 1718 nucler warheads "deployed", and the US only has 1770 demployed. Afaik you cannot automatically launch something not "deployed".
Afaik everyone mostly has 150-ish kt warheads, only bunker busters go up to 500 kt today. 1 Mt warheads seem largely useless, given modern targeting. We seemingly cannot reach the 2000 Mt supposed equivalent of the 2023 wildfires in Canada using deployed warheads, nevermind that Own Toon probably exagerated even this.
Third, there is typically a "nuclear triad" in which land and sea launched ICBMs take out millitary targets and certain critical infrastructure, probably oil storage and refineries, but then you later destroy cities using much slower moving bombers.
It's maybe unlikely Russian that bombers would ever reach their targets, but regardless they could be given orders automatically, but humans fly them. Also dead hand only triggers once the Russian leadership goes, which likely means all those bombers were hit too. It's possible dead hand retargets their ICBMs from infrastructure to cities, but doing so leaves other targets under covered, and risks leaving the US powerful millitarily.
Fourth, I doubt Trump would make a first strike against Russia anyways. Ironically, if his advisors would pushing for one then he might find some excuse to nuke China first, which paradoxically maybe the wisest strategy: Halt tech access for Russia, allow proxy wars to really bleed them dry.
Oh also, Anderson says nuclear summer would be caused by climate change anywas.
tl;dr. Don't fear nuclear war. Instead, fear planetary boundaries like climate change.
PickingPies@reddit
Wow. There's so much wrong here. Starting with the fact that the fire is the least of the problems because what causes the winter is dust.
Second, the tonnage is insufficient to understand the impact on the surface because of how energy is distributed. 8x 1 Mt bombs cover 4 times the area of 1x 8 Mt bomb. Multiple smaller bombs are way more dangerous than big ones, and you just proved the majority of bombs are small.
Bunker buster bombs doesn't go to 500kt. They go for 500t. They are 1000 times less powerful than the average tactical nuke.
To be precise: the widfires is not equivalent to 2000Mt of nukes. It's comparing the area of effect, but the consequences of the nuke in climate is thousands of times worse.
The detonation of 2-4 Gt of nuclear bombs can trigger a nuclear winter that can plunge temperatures up to 20°C, which, as we can see, that's not what's happening in Canada.
Nevermind the fact that nukes will be launched towards populations, which implies hundreds of millions of people dead within minutes, Nevermind wounded, and societies collapsing because, literally, we have no way to deal with the devastation of a nuke: we cannot help survivors. No roads, no water, no food, no hospitals, no communications, no one being able to enter in the zone 0 without specialized equipment.
Comparing global warming with nukes is like comparing cancer with... a nuke. They do not belong to the same realm of danger.
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
It's the hot soot that causes nuclear winter. There are now quitea few papers not that improve the analysis using forest fire data.
> Second, the tonnage is insufficient to understand the impact on the surface because of how energy is distributed.
I'm simply quoting Owen Toon's approximation of the burnned area equivelent to the megatonnage. He uses this to go from megatonnage to area to soot content. I'm just reversing the first step.
In fact, I think his approximation was picked to make nuclear winters look more dangerous, so likely the wildfires are already much much worse.
> Multiple smaller bombs are way more dangerous than big ones, and you just proved the majority of bombs are small.
A forest fire would be even worse then.
> The detonation of 2-4 Gt of nuclear bombs can trigger a nuclear winter that can plunge temperatures up to 20°C, which, as we can see, that's not what's happening in Canada.
Again this does not appear to be true. Instead, it's likely the world's new forest fires driven by cliamte change have already exceeded the hot soot emissions of a nuclear war like that.
There are many worst case assumptions in these nuclear winter models, like they pick the time of year to get maximal lofting, they ask the ground material to be easily burnable, etc.
They made this assumptions for well intentioned reasons, to covince people not to use the weapons, aka the precautionary principle. Yet, the truth is many of these assumptions are independent, so the mopels should treat them that way, while other factors seem exaggerated, and they all layer upon one another.
> Comparing global warming with nukes is like comparing cancer with... a nuke. They do not belong to the same realm of danger.
The climate change is ultiamtely much much more dangerous. In part because all the climate models understate the damage, applying the precautionary principle the opposite way.
+4°C means world carring capacity below 1 billion people and uninhabitable tropics (Will Steffen, via Steve Keen). IPCC says +3°C by 2100 but largely ignored tipping points, used concervative data, etc, so +4°C maybe reasonable even assuming civilization collapsing slows our CO2 emissions.
Climate change is not the scariest planetary boundary if you take the precautionary principle seriously.
DeepDreamIt@reddit
Your numbers are way off, my friend. A Trident II has a maximum payload of 2,800kg. If they are carrying the W76-1 warhead, that equates to up to 14 warheads x 90 kilotons each = 1,260 kilotons (1.26 megatons.)
If they are carrying the W88 warhead, they can carry 8 warheads x 475 kilotons each = 3,800 kilotons (3.8 megatons)
That is for each Trident II missile and they are SLBM
Shoddy-Childhood-511@reddit
"Around 2100 of the deployed warheads were kept in a state of high operational alert on ballistic missiles"
That's roughly half American and half Russian, but not even 1000 Mt in total. It's still not 2000 Mt even if they make all the deployed ones operational. The non-deployed ones are usually in maintanance.
If we beleive Owen Toon's estimates, then we've witnessed the equivalent of 2000 Mt worth of hot soot being emitted from the 2023 Canadian wildfires, definitely not a nuclear winter.
Nuclear war would really suck for the nations involved, plus anyone dependent upon trade with them, but nuclear war would've negligible long-term impact upon our species overall. In fact, it might help save us from ourselves if all the oil refineries were destroyed. We do not have enough nucelar weapons to destroy all the coal plants though.
The worst planetary boundaries are a much bigger risk, even the ones with minimal extinction rick, like climate change.
wes_wyhunnan@reddit
Yeah…based on the Chinese bicycles they have had to resort to using in Ukraine and the entire country’s inability to build a decent car I have my doubts about their technical ability to actually do this.
Volume211@reddit
I worked with an Russian engineer, drafted for the Soviets during their Afghanistan campaign. His job was to engineer and oversee missile launch pad construction. In the late 1990s, we would talk about his time in their military. He often would tell me to worry about the missiles built in the 50s and 60s, not the ones built in the 70s and 80s.
He also bragged about one missile test that launched from Kazakstan on his team’s tower and pad that hit a 3m X 3m target in Antarctica. So the capability is there if it survived the fall of the USSR and maintained by the current regime.
wes_wyhunnan@reddit
I don’t doubt their ability to launch accurate ICBMs at all. What I do doubt is the ability accurately link and autonomously launch every ICBM based on a nation wide system of ground sensors. That is complete fucking science fiction.
AntiTrollSquad@reddit
I work with Russian engineers too. When Russia invaded, I remember them saying that, while they were saddened, the war would be over very quickly. That Russia's air force was technological two generations over Ukraine's. Yet, here we are almost three years out, and Russia looking weak.
simpsonr123@reddit
Air defense now compared to that of even 10 years ago, is absolutely insane. We just saw the real world example in Iran/Israel conflict.
Few_Quantity_8509@reddit
No country has the ability to defend against a large-scale ICBM attack. America has the world's best ICBM defense system featuring a mere 44 GMD's that each have somewhere around a 50/50 chance of success.
Suitable-Activity-27@reddit
It almost certainly wasn’t maintained.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Grok says:
The system is believed to remain active in post-Soviet Russia, with some sources indicating it was upgraded to include modern radar and possibly hypersonic missiles. Russian Strategic Missile Forces General Sergey Karakaev confirmed its existence in 2011, suggesting it is still functional.
J_Bright1990@reddit
For fucks sake, Grok?!
Getting your information from AI is assanine enough, but Grok of all things?
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Way smarter than your drunk asss
dat_GEM_lyf@reddit
Imagine calling a large language model (a fancy chatbot for your ignorant mind) “smart”
Yikes we are so cooked. AI will kill us via idiots like you thinking it’s the word of god
TheTendieMans@reddit
Don't rely on mechahitler for information.
f47Thunderbolt@reddit (OP)
Who touched you?
AliceCode@reddit
Why are you getting information from a propaganda bot? There are way better sources of information.
intothewoods76@reddit
This would assume if Russia had an earthquake it would launch its nuclear arsenal. I call Bullshit.
GuerrillaSapien@reddit
Billionaire idiots are playing their doomsday cards? Yeah... it'll end well
trippytears@reddit
Russia only has about 1,700-1,800 active nukes and about 150+ of these are on subs. Also they are relying on a system that is 70+ years old. Even if half of those launch, it'll still end the world but 3,000 so inflated lol
Busy-Link836@reddit
Let’s all pray that for at least the next few thousand years that we avoid another Tunguska event.
WalkerTR-17@reddit
I mean given that maintaining their nuclear arsenal would cost more than their entire military budget I find it had to believe they have the functioning arsenal they claim and that anything connected to it is still functioning. That doesn’t mean they’re not a nuclear threat, even one functioning is a bad time, but they’re not realistically the nuclear power they claim to be. Regardless let’s suspend they haven’t maintained anything for 30 years, and pretend dead hand for sure exists and for sure is functioning. It would require a first strike. That realistically is not going to happen as it’s creating a massive disaster. Even if there is a victor they would not want to deal with it. The subs being sent are a political reminder of “keep talking shit but remember we can wipe you off the face of the wart and you maybe have a couple functioning nukes we can probably intercept”
FSM-8675309@reddit
Cool …. Insane people in charge of Russia and the US and automatic MAD …… awesome.
almondblue22@reddit
Plot twist, Trump and medvedev are invested heavily in industrial military complex and are just making each other $.
InconspicuousWarlord@reddit
At this point I’m just tired of being edged. Let’s just fucking do this so we can get started on rebuilding or something.
Phos4us88@reddit
These world "leaders" need to grow the fuck up
Coupe368@reddit
Dead Hand is like Star Wars, it doesn't exist, and if it did then it wouldn't have been maintained and probably broke 25+ years ago from neglect.
If anything, Russia probably have less than 5% of working warheads after 35 years of neglect. Can we just jump ahead to the implosion of the current Russian government and the Chinse annexation of Outer Manchuria? The story writers have run out of ideas at this point and its just the most boring part of the show.
Delicious_Spot_3778@reddit
Kk but guys, this is the second time I’ve heard of a nuclear threat to America in a month. Regardless of capability we are more vulnerable than we ever have been in my lifetimeX
gxgxe@reddit
Yep. We haven't been teaching the kids how to shelter under their desks...
GALACTON@reddit
The dead hand would be the first thing destroyed.
DeathDefyingDickhead@reddit
If true those earthquakes would’ve triggered it. Also war on previous soviet soil would risk causing it…so doubt.
SomeEchidna862@reddit
I bet they would fail, if their success in Ukraine is any indicator.
Dapper-Arachnid-5463@reddit
Known_Limit_6904@reddit
All? Lol no
backcountry57@reddit
Not all, but enough to guarantee 3 waves of 150 detonations on US soil
Banjo_Pobblebonk@reddit
Medvedev going 5 minutes without threatening to nuke the West challenge: impossible
ObedMain35fart@reddit
So much for stopping wars or whatever
Far_Out_6and_2@reddit
This was decades ago so no worries
NightlongCalcite@reddit
Eziekel13@reddit
Nuclear weapons don’t have a self destruct button… once they are launched, that’s it…
Natahada@reddit
Those darn files.
crusoe@reddit
Assuming they have any that haven't rusted in their silos.
Difficult_Prize_5430@reddit
59 bucks says it's broken.
Individual-Dot-9605@reddit
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Dead_Inside50@reddit
Russia trying to launch their old ass rockets
No_Clock_7464@reddit
They should just do us all a favor and launch em already
DrDrWest@reddit
Mettwurst is talking out of his ass again.
DownwardSpirals@reddit
https://i.redd.it/rna7bv27ejgf1.gif
bluddystump@reddit
Just like America, Russia does no longer deal in good faith.
Princess_Actual@reddit
I'm ready to kiss the sun.
yoursecretsantadude@reddit
Man, I'm not ready.
Princess_Actual@reddit
It'll be okay, I promise. :)
mechabrhma@reddit
Trick_Judgment2639@reddit
Maybe we could put a VR headset on him when he's asleep and just let him live out a fantasy while we undo all the damage
MoBrosBooks@reddit
well shit, you're telling me the Russian dead man switch in Dr. Strangelove is real and still active
GlitteringDisaster78@reddit
Just do it already
Basement_Chicken@reddit
Don't sell them any vibrators!
mvb827@reddit
So if everyone in Russia jumped at the same time the world would end?
cyanescens_burn@reddit
Well that’s unsettling. Especially with two leaders that seem to have their back against the wall and could go for broke (Trump with his Epstein and potential legal woes, Putin with his Ukraine quagmire and various international issues related to it, among so many other things).
I recently listened to a great podcast that did a season long deep dive into a very close call with Cold War nuclear Armageddon in 1983. He gets into a lot of interesting and thought provoking subtopics related to the story, nukes, MAD, etc.
Highly recommend it if you are curious.
SNAFU - Able Archer ‘83 (episode 1)
BibendumsBitch@reddit
Based on their 1980s military and hand me downs and constant lies and propaganda and they going to Kyiv in a few days..
I’m going to say…
That is a lie
dyslexic-alien@reddit
3000 warhead loaded in 10-20 missiles would be around 200-300 missiles. Way to ruin someone’s day
AU_Memer@reddit
Medvedev is full of hot gas and is to be disregarded.