Steam Hardware & Software Survey (July 2025)
Posted by OwnWitness2836@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 292 comments
Steam has just released their Hardware & Software Survey for July 2025.
According to the data, the RTX 5070 is currently the most popular GPU from the new Blackwell based RTX 50 series, showing the strongest adoption among all 50 series cards.
In total, the RTX 50 series GPUs (desktop and laptop combined) now make up 4.35% of the Steam user base, which is impressive considering how recently they launched.
Meanwhile, AMD’s RDNA 4 based GPUs like the RX 9070 XT and RX 9060 XT are still missing from the charts, which could be due to limited availability or not being available at MSRP.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
5060 is getting better sales than 4060 in the first 2 months of availability
harry_lostone@reddit
well, if 4060 was a good selling card, 5060 is \~20% faster with newer tech, for the same price.
Yeah 8gb blah blah, but for people on budget that just want to game at 1080p, it's the best vfm option they can have for $300 (excluding used market for obvious reasons).
In a frames per dollar chart, 5060 will sit quite high, even if it wont age as well for higher resolutions or hardcore RT gaming, which are irrelevant for many people (1080p or less is like the 2/3 of steam users).
bankyll@reddit
"4060 was a good selling card, 5060 is \~20% faster with newer tech, for the same price."
The 4060 (AD107) is actually a 4050 or 4050Ti repackaged as a xx60 card.
The 4060Ti (AD106) should have been the real 4060.
The 5060 is DOA with 8GB VRAM, even for 1080p gaming.
StarbeamII@reddit
It’s basically a 3070 for only a little more than a used 3070, but actually new rather than a 5-year old ex-mining card.
Vb_33@reddit
The single fan zotac is sold for $20 below MSRP. The 5060 is a good amount of power for the money.
StickiStickman@reddit
Well yeah, it's actually a pretty decent deal
nukleabomb@reddit
5070 leads massively compared any other new graphic card at 1.32% with the 5080 (0.65%) and 5070Ti (0.63%) in second and third.
However, the 5060 (0.60%) and 5060Ti (0.58%) are closing up fast in just two months and are sure to overtake in the August survey.
The 9070 and 9060 series do no show up in the overall list (<0.15%). However, sorted purely by Vulkan Windows users, the 9070 (0.18%) and 9070 GRE (0.02%) do show up.
The 9070 also shows up if filtered as DX12 in Win 10 systems at 0.09%.
Under Linux, they are much more prominent at 1.06% (9070/XT/GRE combined). The 9060 XT also shows up at 0.21%. However, Linux only accounts for 2.89% of the total steam userbase, with Windows 11 (59.9%) and Windows 10 (35.19%) in the lead at a combined 95.23% for all Win OS.
Top 20 monthly gains include -
ibeerianhamhock@reddit
Yeah it's pretty wild to me. I have a 4080 and there are almost twice as many 5070s as 4080s on steam now.
nukleabomb@reddit
Overall Top 20 for July:
nukleabomb@reddit
AMD is doing great on the CPU side.
They have gained 0.74% this month while intel has lost 0.75%.
AMD has nearly increased by 1% every month since March this year for their CPUs.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Comparing amds decline from 2008 when survey started. 1% a month is rocket fast change. Intels rebranding to core ultra initiated the big tumble down.
JAEMzW0LF@reddit
yes, its that and not the other more numerous and likely reasons for people to choose AMD over Intel if they purchased over the past 6-12 months.
Nah, it was the name change!
OwlProper1145@reddit
AMD is finally starting to get its CPUs in a decent amount of prebuilt machines.
harry_lostone@reddit
who would have thought... Selling at msrp with availability increases sales :D
bubblesort33@reddit
It really feels like AMS doesn't want to sell graphics cards to gamers a lot of the time, or take market share from Nvidia. Multiple RTX 5070 for sale at MSRP, but really no RX 9070 at the $550 it should be.
gamebloxs@reddit
This is more anecdotal but I've seen tones and tones of bundle deals online with the 5070 and other very well priced parts. Haven't seen one for any amd card
bubblesort33@reddit
I hear people say that Europe gets good AMD prices. In Canada they've been had crap prices for years, and now in the Us as well.
cesaroncalves@reddit
It used to be true, around 5 to 10 years ago.
Strazdas1@reddit
Its US that gets good AMD prices. you know the Nvidia -50 joke? Thats US. In europe its Nvidia + 50.
bubblesort33@reddit
You're just talking about exchange rate and VAT. The US price does not have tax included and often is +50 when you get to the checkout. The -50 joke you're referring to I thought was regarding AMD prices, which are Nvidia -$50.
Strazdas1@reddit
The taxes and exhange rate applies equally to both AMD and Nvidia. It is not something thats going to turn a cheaper product into a more expensive one.
Except in Europe the prices are Nvidia +50.
dparks1234@reddit
The 9060 XT 16Gb is a good bit cheaper than the 5060 Ti 16Gb according to Pc Part Picker Canada
Strazdas1@reddit
PcParkPicker often shows bad prices and stock numbers. Its good for checking compatibility but not availability.
bubblesort33@reddit
Yes, but according to official MSRP there should be a 23% gap between them. Instead it's only a 20.5% gap. Because the 9060xt is very, very slightly over MSRP, while the 5060ti is pretty much MSRP.
uneducatedramen@reddit
Hungary here, it's $140 more for the cheapest 9070 compared to the 5070
Strazdas1@reddit
100 Euros more here in baltics.
shugthedug3@reddit
Doesn't seem that way in the UK, 9070XT is competitively priced next to 5070Ti but... that isn't enough, it needs to be a very tempting deal to take customers from Nvidia and it just isn't tempting enough.
DuranteA@reddit
For GPUs? Not at all.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
Every AMD card is readily available below MSRP. I'd say that would qualify for "good AMD prices".
Same for Nvidia.
German geizhals pricing:
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
This gen we also have decent Nvidia prices.
So AMD still wont be selling.
Henrarzz@reddit
For Radeons? Nah lol
randomkidlol@reddit
the bundle deals are because they overstocked on 5070s. supply is much greater than demand for that card.
996forever@reddit
Demand is clearly not low relative to the overall market as proven by this steam chart.
It is only low, relative to the supply, meaning nvidia has extremely high volume overall.
randomkidlol@reddit
thats not contradictory to what i wrote.
996forever@reddit
I didn't say it was, merely adding extra info
Green_Struggle_1815@reddit
at the moment i cant complain about gpu prices in the eu. everythings discounted atm. looks like sellers having a hard time moving stuff. 5090 routinely sell for 2049eur's. 5070ti's are nearing 750eur's
Pimpmuckl@reddit
It's very evident that american redditors are not used to them being on the short end of the stick.
What usually was a "I can buy cards just fine stop crying" is now a "AMD (and Nvidia) are SCAMMING us so HARD because no card is available at MSRP" when it's clearly a US issue.
European cards are 5-10% below MSRP for both AMD and Nvidia and not terrible cards either.
People really need to add which market they are talking about to have a meaningful discussion.
Strazdas1@reddit
AMD cards are not bellow MSRP in europe. they are significantly above it. A 9070 costs 100 euros more than a 5070.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
These are the current prices on geizhals.de
The 9070 costs 39€ more than the 5070 and all cards are below the launch MSRP.
Strazdas1@reddit
It costs 669 here in the baltics. Which would be 100 more than your german price. We do have 21% VAT, but the 2% isnt going to make much difference here.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
Exactly and that just goes to show that "EU" isn't a single market.
It really depends where you are.
Luckily for everyone living in the EU itself (sorry, UK), all citizens have the right to buy from anywhere they want. Free movement of goods and all that.
So you can go and buy from any German retailer if you so choose to.
If they ship to the baltics or not might depend on the shop, but it's not like you're forced to pay the more expensive baltic prices.
Strazdas1@reddit
For those retailers that ship, the shipping itself usually costs as much as the price difference. At least with local retailer you have consumer protections that does not take you shipping things to another country to get.
Green_Struggle_1815@reddit
tbf. im not sure how this all works. In a perfect economy the US should get more cards as they seemingly are willing to spend more for them than europeans. I'm guessing volume contracts/ obligations make the whole system somewhat sluggish, creating this demand/supply imbalance.
puffz0r@reddit
Don't forget t*riffs
Pimpmuckl@reddit
You're getting downvoted, but that's exactly the reason why the US is not getting the amount of stock that would usually go into the country.
Yes, consumers are happy to pay more in the US than EU.
But the government takes a larger cut (doesn't matter if you call it VAT or import duty or whatever else) so at the end of the day, the company receives less.
So stock is routed with a focus on profitability, as do all publicly traded companies, which means it goes to EU right now.
Keulapaska@reddit
Euro is up ~10% against USD from when 50-series launched, so the € prices dropping makes sense.
Though a 750€ 5070ti even with the lowest VAT sounds kinda crazy as it would actually be lower than the USD msrp.
puffz0r@reddit
Tbf if bezos wasn't a cowardly bitch he would've put t*riff prices on the checkout page
ShadowRomeo@reddit
It is very simple, AMD Radeon simply didn't produce a lot of RX 9070 series whereas Nvidia did and ramped up their production to the point they satisfied the demand, also the lack of enthusiasm with 5070 because of its vram also helped.
And it's kind of amusing to see considering back a few months ago Reddit and Internet Youtubers were so sure that Nvidia was intentionally holding the supply of RTX 50 series because of Data Center, which still can be true, but what they didn't realized before is that the Nvidia's allocation for gaming sector even with all that is still a lot bigger than AMD Radeon.
And it's interesting to see these same people are not silent about this ongoing situation with AMD Radeon still not achieving MSRP and also still not showing up on Steam Hardware Survey.
Gatortribe@reddit
This is purely a reddit take, as made evident by the literal objective statistics we're commenting on.
Outside of reddit and HUB viewers, absolutely nobody is stressing out about 12GB (and nor should they). I'm willing to bet a large portion aren't concerned about 8GB either.
8milenewbie@reddit
The whole "VRAM is future proofing" thing only makes sense if the card is mid or high range, otherwise that 16gb of VRAM strapped to a 7600xt or 9060xt is still going to be insufficient when games get more demanding due to a lack of compute.
Strazdas1@reddit
VRAM as future proofing only makes sense if you know youll need your card to still play new gamester 5 years and assume no new technologies develop that would require new hardware implementations. In other words, VRAM future proofing is delusional.
Dreamerlax@reddit
God forbid you have to lower settings.
Dreamerlax@reddit
My brother has a 3060 Ti, and my sister has a 6700 XT. VRAM hasn't come up in any conversation.
996forever@reddit
Most people don't even care to know about these details they just buy a prebuilt/gaming laptop that looks ok and is in that price range.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
"Paper launch! Paper launch!"
...As all of Nvidia's cards almost immediately show up on Steam survey lol.
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
Yeah, its a lot easier to have a "not paper launch" if your customers buy like 10 times less of your hardware...
saboglitched@reddit
5070 is a better gpu than the 9070, it should be $500 at most
ElementII5@reddit
I think its the otherway around. AMD still sells the RX580. So there is still stock. They need to be overly cautious in how many GPUs they produce.
Price/performance wise the RX580 was a lot better than the 1060. Yet people still bought the 1060. AMD does want to sell, people just don't want to buy.
996forever@reddit
The fact that y'all have to stay bringing up that one 10 year old model......
Which is not surprising because y'all also keep bringing up 18 year old news of Intel bribing OEMs to not use AMD.
Blueberryburntpie@reddit
Last time I looked at desktop OEMs, only a small handful of their models offered AMD options, and it was usually low end stuff.
wizfactor@reddit
See these results, AMD?
These are the results you get when you refuse to hold the line on that $600 MSRP. I know I stopped trying to get a 9070 XT when it was clear it would never hit that price point, or even be available at all.
imKaku@reddit
That MSRP was always a lie. And should really never be referenced as anything but a lie. Made even funnier by the overhype by influencers who tried to each get their video about 5000 series pricing.
I see a lot of 9070 xt stock on every single store, but I assume all of them just will start losing money if they sell them for cheaper. Its not a supply and demand issue, its a let’s try avoid losing money issue. Unlike what we saw with the release of both 9000 and 5000 series.
Henrarzz@reddit
If you believed Reddit comments you’d think average computer user browses old Reddit using Firefox on their Radeon based PC with Linux installed.
The reality is different however.
Mike_Prowe@reddit
100% spot on.
Strazdas1@reddit
I still refuse to believe anyone is dumb enough to not use old reddit.
SlippyCliff76@reddit
Hey now, there's at one here on Firefox with my Radeon based PC on Linux.
ActuallyTiberSeptim@reddit
I'm literally on old Reddit using Firefox with a Radeon GPU, except I'm running Win 11.
996forever@reddit
3 out of 4, not bad, not bad.
996forever@reddit
On a side note, AMD crossing 40% on cpu is boding very well for them.
brand_momentum@reddit
AMD said that Steam hardware survey doesn't reflect market share https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/295513-amd-explains-why-steam-doesnt-accurately-measure-market-share when speaking about GPUs, it'll be funny when they use the "AMD is now x% on the Steam hardware survey" as a marketing point in the future
braiam@reddit
AFAIK, Valve made corrections to fix that issue, and now they are measuring machines, not logins.
Strazdas1@reddit
thats still not reflective of whats actually used. I have Steam on 3 machines for the chat/community capability but only use one for gaming. So data from me would be very bad to start with.
braiam@reddit
If you don't open steam on those other machines then you do not submit data. Also, how many people you think have multiple PC's in a way that would be measurable?
Strazdas1@reddit
But i do open steam on them so i can use the chat function and community areas.
I think most people who game also have a laptop that probably has steam on. I know people who have steam on desktop + handhend.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
We'll see when those fixes come into play.
We know from some very odd numbers like in February 2025, where all of a sudden simplified Chinese was supposedly on 50% of all machines for a month, that the method used still has massive issues, especially with reporting on Chinese LAN Cafes.
For reference, in the most recent July survey, Chinese is now at about 25%.
Or when Windows XP was showing up recently with some crazy number that was obviously wrong and vanished in the next survey.
It's obviously great for all the outrage baiters: Steam Survey provies some wild numbers, they use that single data point to extrapolate and build their story.
I mean look at this thread, somehow there's some grand conspiracy going on with DIY retailers, tech tubers and AMD or something, idk. When in fact it's obvious that DIY is so tiny, it isn't statistically relevant given how big the inventory is that OEMs move.
But hey, outrage sells in this day and age and it sure as shit sells on reddit.
braiam@reddit
China is a massive Steam market. So, having tons of systems, makes sense. At some point we have to accept, China is big.
Strazdas1@reddit
Big, yes. >50% of all users? thats very questionable.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
Absolutely, that's why it makes sense that it's usually around a ~25% market share.
What makes no sense is it spiking to 50% randomly.
That shows the data collection is flawed.
8milenewbie@reddit
That's just your opinion man, you have no real proof of anything you're saying.
Steam hardware surveys are still incredibly reliable, which is why normal people use them to make conclusions about hardware used for games.
bexamous@reddit
He said lots of dumb stuff.
dabocx@reddit
The steam survey methodology has changed since 2019
Pamani_@reddit
Well yeah, market share is the flow while the survey measures stock.
Michal_F@reddit
Good for AMD very bad for INTEL, looks like they will be forced out from Chip manufacturing/foundry business and there will be only TSMC and Samsung ..
Inevitable_Bar3555@reddit
This is not 100% accurate they keep detecting amd gpus as integrated graphics card I don't trust it anymore.
Strazdas1@reddit
No they are not.
AntonioTombarossa@reddit
No they are not you dingus, if you check the statistics only for Linux you can clearly see the 9000 series.
Inevitable_Bar3555@reddit
All I'm saying is I don't trust steam survey, idc about amd it was just an example. I'm probably wrong I just have a feeling because I've seen dozens of posts where the survey didn't detect the ram, resolution even the OS correctly. Its not a big deal tho idc that much I don't buy my cpu/gpu because of steam survey
mpt11@reddit
It's not the most reliable of surveys though is it
WarEagleGo@reddit
I thought it was confirmed that if an AMD GPU discrete GPU was installed, the iGPU from a AMD CPU would be reported instead.
Strazdas1@reddit
Its not. That bug was fixed within a week.
996forever@reddit
Nope that is not the reason.
You can see Radeon 9000 series DOES show up if you filter down to DX12 GPU, Vulkan, or Linux.
It's just not high enough number to show up overall plain and simple. There had never been actual evidence of the supposed detection issue just pure anecdotes on hardware enthusiast forums.
SoTOP@reddit
It's always hilarious how people ask for evidence but then ignore it when presented, because it would be too much to adjust to reality.
As I already showed steam had and still has issues detecting radeon cards.
As you said, 9000 does show up in specific sections, 2 cards from 9070 series for example. Surely those two cards would be 9070XT and 9070, with XT being more popular one? Nope, according to steam those two cards are 9070 and 9070 GRE, and AMD actually sold zero 9070XTs.
SoTOP@reddit
You are wrong, there has been. 7700XT was on steam survey for months while 7800XT didn't show up. After not being on Steam survey for 17 months after release, 7800XT shows up in April overtaking 7700XT instantly. And in past 3 months gaining more share getting ahead of 7700XT by more than 2x.
996forever@reddit
I don't know what your "blatant fault" is (nobody ever gave a real source of the supposed fault beyond anecdotes), but if you require another point of reference, JP Research said for Q1 2025 it was roughly 11:1, Nvidia to AMD, for desktop GPU shipments.
mpt11@reddit
Faults include but not limited to Underage gambling https://totalgamingnetwork.com/valve/3534624-counter-strike-is-plagued-with-underage-gambling
https://parentzone.org.uk/article/skin-gambling
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikestubbs/2023/07/25/70-of-csgo-gamblers-started-as-minors-according-to-youtuber-report/
DRM
https://www.techspot.com/news/107288-steam-drm-exists-thanks-nephew-trusty-cd-burner.html
I'm sure there's more if you really want to look, but I'm sure you're one of those who see no fault in steam
996forever@reddit
?
What does those have specifically to do with this hardware survey
mpt11@reddit
Faults with steam. Not specifically related to the hardware survey
996forever@reddit
Bizarre take
By your logic since apple’s App Store has getcha games therefore “allowing kids gambling” and therefore they have a “fault”, the data of how many units of AirPods they sell presented to investors is invalid?
Think for a second how your supposed flow of logic works, and how asking 100+ million of steam users individually what they use is remotely practical.
Strazdas1@reddit
Apple should be held legally responsible for enabling gambling via their own payment processing though. Not that its relevant to steam survey discussion.
mpt11@reddit
So you're blatantly ignoring facts, OK. I've got some tissues to wipe your face of Gabes residue if you'd like?
996forever@reddit
what even are your "facts"? You never presented any relevant ones.
Strazdas1@reddit
its more reliable than anything else we have access to.
mpt11@reddit
For the downvoters
https://www.xda-developers.com/what-i-wish-i-knew-before-trusting-steam-hardware-survey/
toxicThomasTrain@reddit
That’s a stupid article tbh.
Congrats on learning what’s samples are I guess. This isn’t a revelation, most surveys don’t try to collect data from the entire population. That doesn’t mean it’s inaccurate.
Gurl what. Go take a statistics class.
Ok and? This isn’t an issue
Gurl what. Who told you this was what being surveyed. People buy what they can afford not what they love.
mpt11@reddit
You've clearly got Stockholm syndrome. Anyway there's plenty of evidence online that it's not an accurate survey but a good indicator of trends.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
I don't know what systematic errors steam survey has but if you look at my other post about 3dmark usage I'm guessing something is wrong with the steam survey.
mpt11@reddit
It's more of a guide than anything else not sure why people think it's gospel. I haven't been asked to survey for years
BlueGoliath@reddit
People who said the 4090/5090 were affordable GPUs in shambles.
Strazdas1@reddit
More people bought 4090/5090 than 9070.
BlueGoliath@reddit
That says more about how much people care about AMD really.
OwnWitness2836@reddit (OP)
Most PC gamers aren’t spending $1000+ on a single component especially outside Reddit
BlueGoliath@reddit
Yeah we'll try telling that to people on a certain subreddit. Anything lower than a 4080/4090 or 5080/5090 might as well be a Walmart bargain bin GPU right next to those generic mice and USB cables.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
According to the test runs done with 3dmark timespy, 9070 xt should be almost as popular as 5070 ti. 5070 ti is at 0.63%
9070 xt here vs 5070 ti here
Not sure who is not detecting cards correctly, but I would guess steam. From all I've seen, 9070 xt seems to be somewhat popular so I'm guessing steam is the outlier here.
toxicThomasTrain@reddit
Do you actually believe a random survey is less reliable than analyzing benchmarking data when determining market share? Nahhhh that’s not how this works
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
If there is a systemic error, like detection or attribution of course random surverys can be wrong. Doing accurate surveys of any kind can be super hard, just making them random is not enough to guarantee accuracy.
toxicThomasTrain@reddit
Still more accurate than looking at data for something that’s not even intended for anything besides benchmarking
Strazdas1@reddit
to be honest having high accuracy in values as long as steam survey means they would need to be surveying a lot of people. To get confidence interval that allows the 1.xx% numbers to be relevant means population baloons to hundreds of thousands.
angry_RL_player@reddit
The new conspiracy that's spinning up on pcmr and similarly-aligned subs is that Valve is conspiring against AMD with these surveys. Expect a sensationalist ragebait-slop video from the usual suspects soon.
Strazdas1@reddit
It used to be PCMR glorified GabeN as their god, now they make conspiracy theories about him.
Dreamerlax@reddit
That...doesn't make a lick of sense. Valve uses AMD hardware for their Steam Decks.
angry_RL_player@reddit
redditors don't understand random sampling and create scenarios in their head to get upset over radeon gpus not showing in the survey
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Are you honestly suggesting market share based on the number of self-submitted benchmark runs? I mean you can clearly see a multitude of entries from the same users.
People will do literally anything but admit AMD barely sells any cards.
Strazdas1@reddit
I think number of benchmark runs directly correlate with issues with the GPU. If you have issues you want to benchmark to make sure you fixed them.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
Why would there be any behavioral difference between AMD and Nvidia users, 3dmark has never been specific to either brand. So yes unless you can explain why there would be difference.
Of course you can, but it is also completely irrelevant. Some people run it once, some 15 times, but it would only mean anything if one brand had their users behaving differently to another which is a pretty silly assumption.
And that is not the point at all what average user does. The point is that A LOT of people (150k vs 160k benchmark runs) do use it, and when it comes to the law large numbers, unless you can figure out a systemic error it should reflect the ballpark relative size of the userbase.
We are only interested in relative ballpark size between brands/products here and not the exact amount of the products out there.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
The difference isn't AMD or Nvidia users. It's enthusiasts versus the average masses. Enthusiasts are more likely to have an AMD card simply by virtue of availability - DIY is tiny and AMD has little presence in prebuilts. 3DMark is not in any way representative of average users, especially compared to a massive random survey.
Nvidia moves like 10 times as many GPUs as AMD and this is reflected in the Steam survey, and your reaction is that Steam is the flawed survey. Unbelievable.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
A lot of the enthusiasts do buy Nvidia because it is the superior product. Another thing is, 3dmark has always been benchmark for the regular joe. I do get that lot of regular joes run 0 benchmark programs also, but it's not the elite running 3dmark.
I do give you that it's not a guarantee the ratio of 3dmark users is the same as cards sold but I would be surprised if it is different by a lot. I don't know how much prebuilders supposedly not running 3dmark factors into this.
I am not disputing this at all. I'm just saying 9070 xt is surprisingly popular based on everything I've seen except for the Steam survey.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
And I'm saying you're absolutely insane for concluding that 3DMark more accurately represents the GPU landscape against the figures that are actually in line with reality.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
Do you have sales numbers or are you saying you take it for granted Steam is reflecting sales accurately? The way you word it makes me think you have steam + other data?
Also I don't think anything I've said so far is "absolutely insane" as you put it but whatever.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Yes, Nvidia has for years held on to a dominating 80% market share (being very generous to AMD here). AMD and Nvidia's financial reports are public information.
And here you are saying a 50-50 split is more accurate. That is utterly out of touch with reality.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
Heh but that's not what I'm saying. Nvidia probably has even higher share than that, but I'm just talking products.
For example, lets say steam has reliable numbers for previous gen just for arguments sake, then 7900xtx at 0.49% is at and the competing 4080+4080super are at 0.71+0.79=1.5% So quarter of those are AMD.
And since 9070 xt replaces it, and based on everything it would make sense it would be at or even higher compared to 5070 ti which would put it like 0.23% (presumably higher based on all the buzz).
Now you can add more variables like the cards were available to buy at different dates.
I'm not saying I expect 50/50, just odd if it is really less than 0.15% which it would have to be to not show.
Keulapaska@reddit
Yea cause that's reliable data point to go on...
The 3060 has ~half the results of 4090 or 30% of 3080, so does this mean the 4090 sold double the 3060 to you?
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
Well no. I didn't check or wouldn't compare such differently priced products, the data is already a bit unreliable, I wouldn't add more factors like that. Those are some very interesting numbers tho.
Let me explain my thinking when I made that post. I did some rough comparisons between similar tiers of cards, and they never matched exactly but they were at least in the ball park. So even if there is let's say 2x distortion in favor of AMD so let's halve the results from 150k. It would still mean 75k vs 160k and that would give 9070 xt 0.3% at steam if we use that ratio.
That is why I'm weirded out about the survey, because it says 9070 xt is barely existing below 0.15% (5070 ti is at 0.63%). I did expect 0.3% at minimum or something like that. Is it possible it is below 0.15%? Sure but I'm still suspicious. 9070 xt owners must be just benchmarking their cards instead of playing.
And that is my interest in this, just curiosity about steams results, not to push AMD which seems to be some fixation for policing others around here if you read the other comments. Btw 3dmarks Current most popular card is 9070 xt it seems. 5070 ti is also top 5.
While I wouldn't compare 3060/4090 because the user base is so different, I do find those results interesting because they are even more out of whack I would have guessed.
Keulapaska@reddit
The big difference most likely is prebuilts and most of them will have an nvidia card and I'd wager a lot of ppl buying prebuilts ain't gonna be interested in 3dmark.
The other one would probably be lancafes as there are a fair bit of those machines as well around the world, probably almost all nvidia as well and some might've upgraded to blackwell. This is even a low Chinese% month so it's not like like after Chinese new year where certain stats jump up even more.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
Well perhaps 5070 ti is a more popular card for that I thought, I don't really know what they put in those. Don't think they put 5070 ti in cafes, but I don't know tbh. 3060 not seen on 3dmark probably is like you say, lancafes+prebuilts. There is a wild 10x difference between steam and the benchmarks with 3060/4090. Something I didn't see with other comparisons I tried. There did seem to be some AMD bias more often than not.
cowoftheuniverse@reddit
I thought about it, and only scenario I came up with where steam could be accurate is this:
IF
There is a region like lets say china, and following things are true. Almost everyone prefers Nvidia over AMD, lot's of them use steam, but almost nobody uses 3dmark. If all that is true, then 3dmark would not have those users contributing.
I don't know if any of that is true but who knows.
ExplodingFistz@reddit
9000 series missing from the chart is no surprise. NVIDIA is still the market leader. Only enthusiasts buy from AMD, the casuals will drool over anything branded with NVIDIA.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Amd should get the casuals like they did with Ryzen. They have the winning formula. 16% to 40% in less than 8 years
Strazdas1@reddit
the winning formula seems to be not to abandon your RnD and be dragged kicked and screaming into modern chip design. Which is what happened for RDNA team. As much as they wanted to stay a decade behind everyone else, Sony is dragging them into modernity.
averyexpensivetv@reddit
Which shows the fallacy in "AMD is popular with enthusiasts" line. Why would worse cards be more popular with enthusiasts of all people? AMD doesn't even exist in high end. Targeting young enthusiasts with low disposable income whilst you can't guarantee price/performance for your low end cards is a stupid idea. If anything I would say AMD owes bigger share of its sales to deranged brand loyalists than Nvidia.
angry_RL_player@reddit
holy based
"If you can convince the lowest amd fan he's better than the best nvidia fan, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
-Lydon "Gamer" Johnson
996forever@reddit
This sick burn
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OutlandishnessOk11@reddit
At this point I am beginning to think Radeon buyers don't use Steam and are mostly pirates.
nanonan@reddit
I've thought for a while that we know far too little about the methodology of the steam survey to lend it any credibility.
996forever@reddit
But somehow retail sales of 1 hardware store is somehow taken at face value on Leddit, lmao
Meanwhile JPR reports 1:11 ratio of shipment of AMD vs nvidia discrete desktop card for Q1, and that’s not even counting laptops where 100% of dGPUs are nvidia.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Its valid to know the methodology but at the same time, Does valve even gain anything by reporting false data?
996forever@reddit
That's a very good question. Perhaps users on here can give us some theories? After all I'm sure Valve has a personal vendetta against AMD given their use of Nvidia hardware in the Steam De...oh next excuse
Strazdas1@reddit
I think Valve benefits from collecting correct data because it gives the more detailed version of data to publishers who can then use it for temperature gauge to what hardware they should target in developement.
Thorusss@reddit
Steam has an actual business interest to deliver representative hardware data to the game developers. Games being optimized for the most common hardware is good for steam.
I don't think we have a better data source.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
Radeon buyers are just that small percentage, it's the loud minority here on Reddit and YouTube tech space that makes you think there is more of them, but if you go outside that bubble you will see most average PC gamers have Nvidia / Ryzen builds.
dripkidd@reddit
if they are really that loud why are the top comments always from the same 2-3 people in this types of threads sarcastically pointing out how small radeon market share is?
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
This is the first this month. All the other times it's "Nvidia is torturing it's gullible sheep and I can't stand it anymore, that's why I bought Radeon/wish Radeon the best to kick their ass in gaming and AI too"
996forever@reddit
This is 1 thread per month vs many across this website most notably on pcmr, builldapc, r slash amd etc in the rest of the month.
996forever@reddit
And outside of the enthusiast crowd, Intel builds because that's the majority of prebuilt/OEM world.
Whirblewind@reddit
Sounds like you don't really understand who is doing most piracy.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Well, they're probably Linux users so that checks out.
996forever@reddit
It does, and we do see them popping up when filtering for linux only. It's still a tiny share even there, however.
joe1134206@reddit
Even a pirate has a steam account.
popop143@reddit
Reddit doesn't like this opinion that Steam Survey isn't a bit biased, even though at least anecdotally I have only been surveyed 3 times the last 3 years while my friend with a 3050 had been surveyed like 8-9 times a year. Let them worship Steam Hardware Survey and blindly trust that it's accurate.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Only when talking about GPUs. When talking about CPUs all is right even when Intel dwarfs AMD in revenue
GrapeAdvocate3131@reddit
> Sample size = 2
lol
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
You realize thats brainrot talking?
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
Nah, its just a lound minority, like all those linux gamers and steam deck fans that are so loud online but make like 2% of the player base... together.
996forever@reddit
Nope, because you can see them if you zoom under Linux.
They’re just a tiny minority overall.
No_Resolve608@reddit
AMD released the new Ryzen series processors in 2017, and by 2020, AMD surpassed Intel to become the best gaming processor, continuously achieving new highs in market share thereafter. However, in 2019, AMD aslo released the new RDNA series graphics cards, and now AMD's graphics card market share is at an all-time low! This shows that when you compete against a sluggish, bureaucratic company like Intel and an aggressively innovative giant like NVIDIA, the same competitive and reform efforts can yield vastly different results.
Strazdas1@reddit
which were totally awful and failed to meet anyones expectations.
996forever@reddit
This is true, however
I would not say AMD's CPU and GPU were given the same efforts.
shugthedug3@reddit
I think that is true but even despite this there is something significant and a first for Radeon 9070/XT: features wise they're pretty much on a par at least. There isn't some giant gotcha about their product (RT) any more.
puffz0r@reddit
The difference is price, zen succeeded because they were way cheaper than intel. AMD can't really do the same with GPUs because they're a lot more expensive to produce. Also it takes a long time for perception to change, the biggest attention grabber is when you have the halo product that is the best in class. If rdna5 comes out and beats the 6090 I imagine you'll see a sizeable increase in AMD market share, might even go above 10% again
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
And Zen did not win as a smash hit right out of the gate, AMD got CPU superiority because they kept a track record with Zen 2 and Zen 3 getting better and better while intel did NOT.
GrapeAdvocate3131@reddit
Yep... I said the same thing back when the 50 cards were released. I said that NVIDIA wasn't a sitting duck like Intel and got bombarded with AMD fans telling me that NVIDIA was in a worse place than Intel during the 14nm fiasco,
3G6A5W338E@reddit
Linux usage continues to increase.
996forever@reddit
Really want to know how much of that growth is from steam deck.
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
Valve sold about 6 million steam decks.
Steam has about 150M monthly active users, lets double this as a margin to account for intermittent use, etc.
That means 2% would be steam deck (reduced by steam decks no longer in use / double sales, increased if the factor 2 saftey factor was to generous for the user number).
Strazdas1@reddit
28.8% of linux users area steam deck according to the data though.
visor841@reddit
About 30% of Linux users are Steam Deck users.
Thorusss@reddit
most
Csalbertcs@reddit
I'm probably going to end up switching to Bazzite come October because my 1600x is too old for Windows 11.
visor841@reddit
6.3% for users with Steam set to English, too.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
3060 extending lead in 2025 shows how stagnant business became. I dont know nvidia still ask samsung to make dies because samsung 8nm should be very mature and cheap now. If it is. It makes so much sense why 4060 5060 slops exist as a sidegrade.
Also Radeons successful sales not showing on survey shows how much radeon AND custom pc gaming is a niche category as a whole. AMD was happy they selled out compared to last gens performance.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Nvidia is desperately trying not to give people VRAM on a 60 class GPU because they know that if they do, it'll be relevant for 10+ years. Hardware performance progress is basically dead.
Makes me wonder where this magical "future" hardware is going to come from that'll make Unreal Engine games not run terribly.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Ray tracing & pathtracing
BlueGoliath@reddit
They'd have to have 2-3x RT performance for path tracing to be viable.on a 60 class GPU. At 1080p.
Strazdas1@reddit
This makes no sense. Its already viable.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Thats where the Jensen's tools are suppose to come in
Right now 5060ti can do \~95fps 1080p dlss q overdrive
5060ti is 16% faster than 5060
Give 6060 30% improvement, a lot of people will be at least trying pt at \~130+fps dlss q + 2xfg or optimize settings and 1440p dlss b + lower settings + 3xmfg = 150fps
996forever@reddit
You might as well just push 4xmfg right now and claim 200fps?
996forever@reddit
This, and frame gen is not a viable solution at those low base framerates.
Alive_Worth_2032@reddit
The progress isn't, just the price scaling. The problem is that transistor costs are not going down anywhere near the rate they used to.
So performance/$ doesn't scale much on new nodes. But the performance/area scaling for GPUs is alive and well. Just look at Ada/Blackwell vs Ampere. A 4080/5080 is using a smaller die than the 3070 and is considerably faster than 3090 Ti.
Problem is the cost of the wafers for 5nm are also considerably higher than what they paid Samsung for 8nm.
EnglishBrekkie_1604@reddit
IIRC transistor prices are actually increasing now, at least at TSMC. The jump in price from 3nm to 2nm is greater than the increase in density.
ShadowRomeo@reddit
RTX 3060 is still a pretty decent GPU even by modern standards it's nearly the same raster power as the base PS5, has access to the best upscaler in the market such as DLSS 4, also has 12GB Vram which is more than sufficient for 1080p gaming.
It's a well balanced card. And seeing most gamers are playing it is more than enough for their own needs. I can clearly see it staying on top of GPU marketshare chart for a few more years to come, like the 1060 6GB.
shugthedug3@reddit
If Nvidia can release a 5060 Super 12GB I can see it having similar popularity and longevity as the 3060.
Price wise they might be able to get it to a similar point as well, there's clearly a spot for a card like that and 3060 really filled it well. That they're still selling them - and it's not even a terrible option - confirms they came up with a winner there.
996forever@reddit
Reddit bubble did it again
Darksider123@reddit
Did what exactly?
996forever@reddit
Correctly predicted the high volume of rdna4 gpus and low volume of RTX50, of course.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Amd did a good job for launch. They stocked enough cards for THEIR demand. Nvidia didnt because they always have high demand
Strazdas1@reddit
No they didnt. They had zero stock from the launch in January and stock only appeared months later. Their gaslighting about a delayed launch does not help either.
996forever@reddit
And we’re not only talking about launch here but rather months post launch
Darksider123@reddit
Apart from launch, which was a shitshow for both companies, I haven't seen anyone predict such a thing
Maurhi@reddit
I feel it's a USA bubble too, AMD stock and/or prices outside USA are significantly worse (of course it depends where), and from what I've seen it's not like it's great over there either.
996forever@reddit
AMD does seem to load everything they have into the USA market to get good press from (predominately American) tech media.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
That might have been true before, but evidently, they are focusing pretty hard on EU market right now.
Both Nvidia and AMD cards are available below MSRP and readily available.
That is far from what is happening in the US from what I can tell glancing at pcpartpicker and how (mostly Americans) are exceedingly vocal that MSRPs are a farce.
Strazdas1@reddit
There is no evidence they are focusing hard on EU market now, given that they are significantly above MSRP and signifcantly above Nvidia in price there.
allthebaseareeee@reddit
No? AMD stock is better and prices are cheaper in Australia than nvidia.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
It's not a reddit bubble. Only Twitter is less bubbled mostly because they care more about geopolitics of chips.
Anandtech forums Techpowerup.com forums Techspot
The people on these even on non AMD topics look like mindfactory customers
okoroezenwa@reddit
I’ll add Ars forums to this list.
jasmansky@reddit
And the techtuber sphere of influence as well....
996forever@reddit
The venn diagram of that and epic ledditors is quite close to the perfect circle I might suspect.
BarKnight@reddit
RDNA4 still missing this far after launch
def-not-elons-alt@reddit
9070 is listed though, just on a different page.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/directx/
jasonwc@reddit
RX 9070 - 0.18% RTX 5070 - 2.52%
Active-Quarter-4197@reddit
well yeah the 5070 is in stock at msrp all day wheras the 9070 is 600 and sometimes even more
makar1@reddit
Radeon is competing with Zen for AMD's wafers. If demand for CPUs is high, GPU production will be lower.
996forever@reddit
As if GeForce isn’t competing with vastly higher margin workstation and Server cards.
Btw, AMD’s actual high margin products, Epyc and Instinct, actually use a more advanced node than Radeon in their current gen.
Strazdas1@reddit
TSMC was a bottleneck in 2021 during wafer shortages. It hasnt been an issue for years though.
Qweasdy@reddit
The reality is that they just didn't make enough of them to sell remotely close to Nvidias numbers. GPUs have a very long lead time measured in years, there may be some options for increasing supply in the short term but they're not going to suddenly make 10x the number they originally planned for.
AMD ordered GPUs from the fabs in numbers expecting a similar market share as previous generations. The 9070 series being well received changes nothing about that and they have no incentive to sell them at MSRP if they're selling every unit they make.
I said this back during their launch and got downvoted for it and now people are shocked Pikachu faces that AMD hasn't magically blown Nvidias market share out of the water on a single generation. That was never going to happen.
But one well received generation is a good start.
Pimpmuckl@reddit
You're spot on.
Wafer orders have/had a massive lead time. And AMD will throw any wafer they possibly can towards their DC/AI chips, so gamers, as usual, get scraps. After the pro cards, after the laptop chips. Because OEMs have volume guarantees from AMD they will want.
And the most important thing in this discussion is that the vast majority of the market, as is evident by the steam surveys, is OEMs moving a shit ton of inventory.
Intel is practically dead in DIY and yet Intel's share is still okay-ish considering just how uncompetitive their products are. Why? Because OEMs still love selling Intel.
tebee@reddit
The only country in which the 9070 XT is not selling at MSRP is the US and that's cause of Trump. It's been selling at MSRP for month now in Europe. There are many reasons AMD isn't selling as well as Geforce, but stock is not one of them.
shugthedug3@reddit
It's less than MSRP where I am, almost looks like they're trying to clear stock for the Super.
Slabbed1738@reddit
They are using same node family from tsmc
Active-Quarter-4197@reddit
yeah but not same node. The one nvidia is using is kind of unknown thought so impossible to really compare
nanonan@reddit
They are using 4nm TSMC. It's perfectly possible to compare.
Active-Quarter-4197@reddit
They are both in the 5nm node family and there is really no data about 4N the custom Nvidia node
nanonan@reddit
All their 4nm processes are in their 5nm family. We do know it is a 4nm refinement.
UsernameAvaylable@reddit
Most of those 2.9% are steamdeck, right?
jasonwc@reddit
The percentage attributable to the Steam Deci has been falling recently as the Linux share grows. It’s currently 28.24% of Linux users whereas it was around 40% not that long ago. I don’t believe it was ever a majority.
Distractions like Bazzite make it very easy to run Linux on Windows handhelds like the ROG Ally and Legion Go, and the living room PC experience is very good with an AMD GPU. I’m currently using Windows 11 Enterprise with a RTX 4090 but if Nvidia performance on Linux ever matches Windows, including RT/PT, I would definitely give Bazzite a shot. I’ve already used it for benchmarking Linux performance on my main PC and it’s great.
Sevastous-of-Caria@reddit
Too busy making bank from Instinct AI and cpus
joe1134206@reddit
With fsr4 being so poorly supported, I'd expect 9060 xt 16 gb at $299 if they want their brand to have any kind of presence. Clearly they literally do not fucking care.
Vb_33@reddit
Can already find 9060xt 8GB for $250 on sale. Seems like they made a lot more 8gb which makes sense.
kuddlesworth9419@reddit
I'm starting to think something is wrong with the Steam survey or maybe they just don't have a large enough sample pool. Because at least in the UK the AMD cards this generation are selling very well.
AntonioTombarossa@reddit
Monthly reality check for those who say that AMD is beating Nvidia
ActuallyTiberSeptim@reddit
I don't think I've seen a single person say that...
AntonioTombarossa@reddit
I remember commenting on this most a couple of weeks ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1m1clx2/no_ones_buying_nvidia_gpus_anymore_mindfactory/
redmormie@reddit
the post with negative karma?
amazingspiderlesbian@reddit
It's crazy how there are more 5090s on the survey than AMD RX 7600XTs.
I mean i can't say anything since i bought one too but thats an absurd number for a 2000$ GPU
Flimsy_Swordfish_415@reddit
is it? this survey is optional so people with expensive gpu tend to brag voluntarily
amazingspiderlesbian@reddit
I mean that seems contradictory tho. The survey is anonymous so you dont get any bragging rights for doing it.
Flimsy_Swordfish_415@reddit
what? :D it doesn't seem contradictory at all
996forever@reddit
Why?
mrheosuper@reddit
I would buy 5090 if i could find one at $2000.
Locally it's being sold for around $3500-4000 here. Even the 4090 is way over $2000
Caffdy@reddit
yep, MSRP is as myth as any religious figure.
3G6A5W338E@reddit
It wouldn't surprise me if it was discovered that NVIDIA has farms of virtualized such cards running steam, to inflate the numbers.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
Gotta be one of the dumbest conspiracy theories yet. How do people come up with this shit?
shugthedug3@reddit
Reddit PC geekdom is full of these absurd people for some reason.
BinaryJay@reddit
When did these steam survey conspiracy theories start? It seems there are so many excuses for XYZ model not performing as well as someone wants lately.
DuranteA@reddit
They simply cannot fathom that there are easily a few hundred thousand PC gamers out there worldwide who won't even flinch at paying 2k for the best gaming GPU.
3G6A5W338E@reddit
This.
iDontSeedMyTorrents@reddit
What!? You're crazy, bro! Nobody would ever do that! It's way more likely that Nvidia diverted all the hundreds of thousands of GPUs from their forced scarcity conspiracy (to drive up prices, obviously) into their secret datacenters doing nothing but idling in Steam hoping to be randomly selected for the Steam survey. That way, everybody thinks paying above MSRP is cool and popular and so they themselves want to pay above MSRP to get their Nvidia GPUs, thus making up for the hundreds of thousands of GPUs Nvidia sequestered away never to be sold. Don't ask how you're supposed to get your hands on a paper launched forced scarcity Nvidia GPU during this psy-op, though!
Thorusss@reddit
I mean I can see how some of their rig from Geforce Now count into the Steam Survey, as they actively access the users Steam Library. But they have different tiers of rigs with other Nvidia cards, too.
Pretty sure they are not doing just to manipulate in the survey, the survey actually reflects what is used for gaming.
gartenriese@reddit
Lmao what I can't even
okoroezenwa@reddit
This is so stupid.
pentamache@reddit
Maybe more 5090s users are more willing to complete the survey, on some kind of ego move and the 7600xt user don't care enough to perform a couple extra clicks.
junon@reddit
I'd wager the MSRP of the VAST majority of 5090s being counted in the survey put the card into at least $2500 GPU territory, but likely more.
GrapeAdvocate3131@reddit
This cannot be true! E-celebs from Youtube told me that the 5070 is literally the worst thing ever and the 9070 is the single best GPU ever made in human history
STOP THE COUNT
ShadowRomeo@reddit
The 9070 is so overpriced in my country that it makes a lot more sense to just get the cheaper 5070 or for slightly more just get the 9070 XT, the upcoming 5070 Super soon will make that 9070 get its price cut or just be outright be taken off production by AMD Radeon.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
Hmm, the way people are (quite negatively) discussing the 50 super is really interesting considering how much froth in the mouth about VRAM they otherwise are. I don't get it but it's amusing
SneakySnk@reddit
Most people would still pick the same brand that they already have, and there isn't really much difference between the 5070s and 9070s, if AMD wants to grab any significant market share, they will probably need 2 or 3 constantly better gens, this one barely catched up, and still is unavailable in a lot of places.
Ryzen took a few years to catch up, and I don't think RX can do the same that fast.
F9-0021@reddit
Honestly feels like Nvidia has a bigger cult following than Apple does these days, despite PC users constantly trashing on Mac.
Dreamerlax@reddit
92% marketshare isn't a cult following, it's the "default" choice, like Coke over Pepsi.
AntonioTombarossa@reddit
/selfawarewolves
Salty_Tonight8521@reddit
Other than xx90 GPU's, compared to Apple Nvidia's mainstream stuff doesn't cost that much more than it's competition. You can find a lot of 5070ti's at msrp while 9070xt costs only $50 lower than that, why should anyone choose the product with less market share (which will result in deva not mainly targeting that card when they're optimizing their games) and worse features?
It's mostly the same for lower tier cards.
ResponsibleJudge3172@reddit
That's what I'm always saying. Imagine if forums spammed foul about Ryzen based on Threadripper prices. No one would give af
GrapeAdvocate3131@reddit
I simply buy the product that fills my particular needs, and NVIDIA just happens to be better at this, that's all,
Unironickek2@reddit
Kind of a wild thing to say when (kind of cooled down) every other comment on any tech focused subreddit/forum/YouTube video is an explanation of how Radeon buyers are enlightened and there's some type of conspiracy or something against them.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Just ask them to explain how Ryzen went from 16% to 40%.
996forever@reddit
LOL, you can't call a statistical majority a "cult", that's not how it works no matter how much you want to use a word.
RedIndianRobin@reddit
Cult following? They simply make not only better GPUs, but better software features in the industry. People will buy whatever the best they can find in their price range.
Nvidia is not the same as Apple or Intel like some people claim because they are not incompetent and continuously make their tech better every generation.
Active-Quarter-4197@reddit
or maybe bc nvidia actually has decent stock and can supply the gpus at msrp compared to amd charging like 20 percent over msrp.
seklas1@reddit
What’s hilarious, is Reddit’s gonna question why Radeon is not high on charts, since EVERYONE’s recommending Radeon GPUs. Reddit is small.
Dreamerlax@reddit
They already are lol.
surf_greatriver_v4@reddit
There's a lot of 9070XT here in the UK. Americans need to stop talking on behalf of everywhere else
TalkWithYourWallet@reddit
It's available, but the price is stupid
The 5070Ti is around the £650-670 mark. With the 9070xt in the £600 range
surf_greatriver_v4@reddit
Scans lowest 5070ti is £699 and general stock is low across the board (most models are preorder only)
OCUKs lowest 5070ti is £679
Ocuk has 3 9070xt models at £599 although at preorder now
Scan has a model available at £599 and more at 619
A £100 difference isn't anything to turn your nose up at, and certainly no 5070ti at £650 at the popular part shops
Jellyfish_McSaveloy@reddit
I've seen 5070ti's for £649 a few weeks back on ukpcpartpicker. They do pop up somewhat often.
surf_greatriver_v4@reddit
Yeah, and I've seen the 9070XT go to £559
I don't get why it's met with such contention to just say the 9070XT is £100 cheaper in a lot of instances and that is no insignificant sum
Jellyfish_McSaveloy@reddit
Don't have to get defensive mate, I'm just corroborating with the guy you responded to about the 5070ti prices, they do often hit that price. I haven't seen a 9070XT hit it's RRP of £570 since AMD did those launch rebates.
Sites like PCPartpicker really should have pricing history graphs so we can really see the trends.
shugthedug3@reddit
Looking at the 5070 pricing which seems to regularly be below £500 now I can see the Ti hitting £650 with more regularity soon.
shugthedug3@reddit
Saw an MSI RTX 5070 on offer at £480 without any discount codes or anything yesterday, doesn't surprise me it's popular at that price.
ExplodingUsedToilet@reddit
So what happened to those stacks of 9070XTs that we keep seeing getting spammed at social media?
Don't tell me those are empty boxes.
Reddit for the 19393th time learning that they are just a loud minority.
SnakeGodPlisken@reddit
They gave everything to Steeve, and now he tells you they are all sold out.
Dat_Boi_John@reddit
Those madlads did it, they managed to sell 60 tier performance cards, at 70 tier prices, to the masses. Impressive, if you ignore the bleakness of the whole situation.
Unironickek2@reddit
5070 is definitely a 70 tier performer, vram isn't super future proofed but other than the 1070 were any of them ever?
It's not really fair to include the 4090 and 5090 in a % of whatever chart, both of those cards are insane without any actual equivalent from before that.
Dat_Boi_John@reddit
I disagree about not including the 4090 and 5090, because their prices are also insane without any equivalent from before that, even taking inflation into account.
BestEve@reddit
Is there some system limilation preventing steam from collecting data on individual CPU's ? The CPU report is so lame compared to GPU report.
brand_momentum@reddit
B-but Mindfactory says everybody buys AMD GPUs!
FreightTrain2@reddit
B-b-b-but Jay keeps telling me that AMD is selling 3 cards for every 1 Nvidia card…
NGGKroze@reddit
Q1 sales told us everything
92% Shipment for Nvidia
8% for AMD.
If you need more data, Nvidia shipped almoat 8x more GPUs (desktop) than AMD last year.
AMD won't turn around the tide in one gen, especially with fake MSRP and "relying" on 3rd party programs like Optiscaler.
They had amazing opportunity with Nvidia very overpriced street market price, atrocious drivers, some baffling issues like ROPs. But AMD is AMD
ShadowRomeo@reddit
I know that this has already been said a lot but I can't help and just say AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity....
venfare64@reddit
AMD is the champion of snatching defeat from the jaw of victory.
popop143@reddit
Reddit doesn't like this opinion that Steam Survey is a bit biased, even though at least anecdotally I have only been surveyed 3 times the last 3 years while my friend with a 3050 had been surveyed like 8-9 times a year. Let them worship Steam Hardware Survey and blindly trust that it's accurate. At this point this is my monthly negative karma comment lmao, but at least it's the most unpopular conspiracy I believe in.
Would be funny if after I get a 5070 in Christmas that I suddenly get monthly or bimonthly surveys.
NeroClaudius199907@reddit
Leaked steamhardware survey code
if detected_hardware == "AMD":
ignore_for_survey()
if detected_hardware == "NVIDIA":
send_extra_one <3()
give_chefs_kiss()
praise("Jensen Huang")
print("Amen 🙏 double survey count")
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The survey isn't biased its flawed because it cant cover