Samsung confirms Exynos 2600 as first 2nm flagship smartphone chip
Posted by self-fix@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 27 comments
Posted by self-fix@reddit | hardware | View on Reddit | 27 comments
Professional-Tear996@reddit
This is just going to be their 3nm GAAFET node but since it can produce something that is a little bigger than a smartwatch chip, they're going to call it a 2nm class product.
pianobench007@reddit
here is the thing process node does not mean literally physical dimensions. 3nm to 2nm for Samsung may just mean they improved upon the GAAFET. So 2nm node is a GAAFET 2.0 with improved yields.
and that is good enough to name it a new process. it signals better yields. better yield means more usable chips per wafer. each wafer goes through thousands of step processes before you have a product. and that is what counts.
node name signals a better process. that is it.
pi314156@reddit
Not true. Their 3nm GAP is shipping in a bunch of phones today in all Flip 7s, including the US models, which have the Exynos 2500.
DerpSenpai@reddit
But it is true that SF2 is the mature node that will get QC to make chips there, perhaps Nvidia too
Nvidiuh@reddit
If the S26 Ultra doesn't have the option for the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 2 in North America and it isn't at least closely competitive with it, I'm getting the 25 Ultra. That being said, it would be batshit insane if Samsung released a supposedly more advanced node that performs worse than the competitor. I really hope Qualcomm and Samsung can start competing more directly because that'll be great for the rest of us. At this point it's a little too early to tell what's what, but I bet we'll know what to expect by years end.
DerpSenpai@reddit
Exynos 2600 for the cheaper models, QC 8 Elite 2 for the more expensive ones according to leaks. All markets are the same now
Scientisma@reddit
I assume QC 8 Elite Gen 2 will also be 2nm..?
DerpSenpai@reddit
Nope, its N3P
Scientisma@reddit
Thanks
Nvidiuh@reddit
Thanks for the info.
_Lucille_@reddit
if this isn't one of those weird marketing "2nm"s, having some competition in the space is great given how Intel may be folding its fabs.
BlueGoliath@reddit
Hasn't NM designations just been marketing for awhile now?
Scientisma@reddit
Partially true, depends on many factors. Generally a performance boost and power efficiency but it's not linear.
EloquentPinguin@reddit
2nm class chips have like at least 35nm x 25nm feature sizes or something
_Lucille_@reddit
yeah, but the article itself tried to make it sound like its "better"
Geddagod@reddit
Given Samsung's recent history of node naming, I have very little hope this would be competitive at all with TSMC's N2.
Dangerman1337@reddit
And probably barely competitive with TSMC N3P/X.
Scientisma@reddit
To be fair, the N3P has nIt been confirmed for cell phones yet.
OddMoon7@reddit
TBF TSMC N3P is a really good node.
ParthProLegend@reddit
What is tbf?
TotalManufacturer669@reddit
to be fair
ParthProLegend@reddit
Ohhkk. Damn it didn't even click my mind it could be that
haloimplant@reddit
SF2P can barely trade punches with N3P depending on what metrics you care about
DerpSenpai@reddit
It's the 2nd commercial GAA FET node, the first one being Samsung 3nm
FloundersEdition@reddit
it's not a "real" N2 competitor, but N3P.
PPA wise it's basically what their initial SS 3GAA goals were, but which were downspeced. 3GAA only achieved PP of the simultaniously appearing (but never planned or at least announced) 4LPP, basically a redesigned and bugfixed 7/5nm process.
the_dude_that_faps@reddit
Honestly, if yields aren't crap, this is great news. TSMC's dominance could use a bit of challenging. Even if it is on a not quite bleeding edge node.
Gloriathewitch@reddit
yeah but it's exynos, i'll stick to snapdragon