Severe Traffic Congestion as Residents Rush to Higher Ground in Hawaii.

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distinguished25@reddit

Once people start getting nervous and abandoning cars it’ll only get worse.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Just like the movies!

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Ya know... I never thought about how valuable things like mountain bikes would be post apocalypse.🤔 Come to think of it, I can't think of a single dystopian movie or tv series that features bicycles as the ad hoc transportation. Plus, you're also riding around on a electrical generator.

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SiWeyNoWay@reddit

I bought a bike after the fires as part of my earthquake prep

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agent_flounder@reddit

The key is actually being in shape enough to ride it. I quickly forget how much just riding around small hills in my neighborhood kicks my ass. 10 miles like that and I would be done for.

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

Okay I am very ignorant, but this is a thing? Does it require a lot of balance or something? I had no idea!

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hadtobethetacos@reddit

It takes a lot of cardio to ride a bike with any kind of speed, and it takes significantly more to go uphill.

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TraditionalLaw7763@reddit

This is why we fat kids invested in e-bikes and on the go solar panel charging stations!

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iridescent-shimmer@reddit

A dirt bike is included in that? I guess that's what confused me!

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QHCprints@reddit

Read a post years ago about a guy who traveled a lot for work and got stranded after 9/11. Took up long distance cycling as a hobby and kept enough cash on him while traveling to buy a not-shitty road bike off the shelf if he needed to get home in TEOTWAWKI.

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SiWeyNoWay@reddit

Damn. But also, I get it

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Alarming-Leg-2865@reddit

Yeah unless you're trying to do it with a 40 to 50# pack on your back. I ruck every other day with 30# on my back for 2 miles at a fast walk. I do it in 34 minutes flat and by the time I get back to the house I'm wiped. I also own a Hardrock mountain bike and given the choice I would take that over walking with a pack any day of the week. (Depending on terrain).

I work out of town regularly were I ended up renting a house long term. My drive back in forth is usually 2 hours one way without traffic. If I had to walk this to get home with a heavy pack it would take me at least a week to make it. I've since started keeping this setup in my rental garage just in case. Picked the cart up for $100 on Amazon. It can either be pulled by the bike or it has handles if you want to walk and pull it allowing you to carry heavier loads or in case your bike breaks down.

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Griseldax@reddit

40 minutes to work by car 🚗 / motorcycle 🏍️
3 hours to work by bicycle 🚲
14 hours to work by walking🚶‍♂️

Walking when disaster strikes takes forever from A to B... 😬 A bicycle as backup is great, and a motorcycle would be best to get around traffic!

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pathofthebean@reddit

E bikes or gas motor bikes

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NeonSwank@reddit

Just keep in mind for a natural disaster/SHTF situation that e bike is only good for about a day if the power grid goes down.

Gas a few days at most

Which means either bringing a solar recharger or siphoning gas for long term use.

I think id rather just have a regular bike.

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4peaks2spheres@reddit

E-bike are an amazing option.

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kormer@reddit

While not a terrible idea, this would be infinitely better if you connected it to a flywheel so you can pedal at a constant rate for a longer period of time. Then you can pull the power out into a sawmill as you need it.

You will need some combination of freewheels, a clutch, transmission, and a lot of gears to make it work well. Ideally you could even connect multiple bikes throughout your community to keep it going.

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lustforrust@reddit

The easiest way to build a flywheel for this drag saw would be to use a cycling trainer stand. They replace the rear wheel and will also solve the problem of holding up the bike.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

Lol

My brother in Christ... That's just a random gif I found that was tangentially related to the topic...🤦🏼‍♂️I only used that gif because I thought it give y'all a lil chuckle.😁

You're right though, especially about the flywheel.

I mentioned bikes as a simple generator that you could "bring with you" as you traveled.

If I was building a static generator I'd skip pedal power completely and go straight to building a simple steam engine, as well as things like using a wood gas generator for some old school automobiling.

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Doctor_Moon69@reddit

Off the top of my head, I can only think of two: Deep Impact’s dirt bike scene and Nick Andros meeting Tom Cullen and traveling through Kansas on bikes in “the stand”

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Thetallguy1@reddit

First thing I thought of too

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atreides_hyperion@reddit

M-O-O-N that spells 'bike'

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dhtrofisis@reddit

The book series Dies The Fire (or Emberverse series) by SM Stirling features bikes heavily in the first three books or so

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Atomsq@reddit

Dies the Fire: A Novel of the Change (Book 1 of 15: Emberverse)

Damn

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dhtrofisis@reddit

I confess i only made it halfway through the fourth book. The first three are more about learning how to survive and live in a changed world, after that it becomes more politics and kingdoms which didn't interest me as much.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

Love the cover art. The synopsis reminds me of the TV show Revolution, which I enjoyed. Thanks for the recommendation stranger.☺️I've been jonesing for some good dystopia-esque media for a hot minute and y'all are recommending the exact stuff I'm into.

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Bruff_lingel@reddit

Fair warning, after the first 3 books the series takes a hard turn towards fantasy. Island in a sea of time is another series by S.M. Striling and just as good imo.

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Peripateticdreamer84@reddit

Agreed on the hard turn. I felt like the author forgot what genre the book was in. Wasn’t Island in a sea of time the inverse series of Dies the Fire?

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Bruff_lingel@reddit

Yeah! It sticks much closer to sci/fi too. Bonus age of sail historical fiction too.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

I guess I'll just have to read it and see. No spoilers though 🫣 Lol

I just saw the cover art for the first Sea of Time book and it's killing me.😆 I love the concept though. It reminds me a lot of the Philadelphia Experiment.

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FearTheAmish@reddit

I SEE YOU

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Capt_Gremerica@reddit

One segment of World War Z had them using bikes...but that's all I can think of

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lightbulbfragment@reddit

Which is one of the few things from the book they actually used. Max Brooks actually suggested books as a faster, quieter means of travel in The Zombie Survival Guide (which is just a fun twist on teaching prepping) and then had fictional survivors utilize the idea in his WWZ book.

I can probably think of quite a few books when bikes save the day vs cars but they are less flashy I guess so movies tend not to bother.

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MONSTERBEARMAN@reddit

I have a bike and a bike trailer. Although it increases the footprint width quite a bit, it is still quite compact and able to fit between most obstructions. I can carry my fully loaded backpacking pack and have room for extra food.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

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athomevoyager@reddit

Yep, this was part of my motivation for getting into mountain biking lately. Helene wrecked my home town and since then I've been doing what I can to make sure we're not stranded without food and power in the future.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

I'm sorry for your loss stranger. That just happened last year right? We got some hurricane force winds (just the wind) where I'm at a while back, and that little taste really put into perspective how powerful and dangerous hurricanes can be.

It's certainly a rude awakening when the power goes out and you realize just how screwed you are.😐

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ariv23@reddit

Novel series the expanse

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

I'm guessing you're not talking about the sci-fi series by James Corey?

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Pitiful-Doubt4838@reddit

I can't remember if it's in the show or not, but when Rick leaves the hospital in like the first episode of The Walking Dead, he rides a bike at one point to get around.

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impermissibility@reddit

Emtb (plus solar generator) is 100% part of my "crumbles" prep.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

Get yourself a bike trailer and you'll own the new silk road. Lol

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impermissibility@reddit

Lol, no such aspirations. But when gas goes to 15 dollars a gallon and I still have to work so I don't lose my mortgage and get put in a "work camp for the indigent," I'd like to be able to make it in on time.

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virrk@reddit

Every Since the World Ended

Fictional documentary/mockumentary of the 186 people living in San Francisco after a plague. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0283337/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk Not a giant part, but it has a few bikes.

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50shadesofgilf@reddit

Sweet, that looks like it's right up my alley. Thanks for the recommendation bro, I love media like that.🫡

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cyanescens_burn@reddit

We do love our bikes in this town. Many of us bike to work and for daily errands.

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Expert_Survey3318@reddit

Walking Dead came to mind!

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

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TraditionalLaw7763@reddit

And this is why I own a dirtbike on my little island. With cool saddlebags.

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Reward-Signal@reddit

You should have seen Beaumont, TX, when Hurricane Rita turned north.

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

Oprah delayed evacuations because she blocked a public road that cuts through her 1,000 acres.

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chicchic325@reddit

There are numerous articles and statements saying the opposite. This should be treated as fake news.

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

There is video of the blockage for 2 hours.

Just so you are aware, there are companies who helps others scrub the algorithm for certain results. I work for Google and its a business line.

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throwawayt44c@reddit

This is intel because now she can't have any of my rice.

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GuiltyYams@reddit

This needs to be the end of Oprah.

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CrankyUrbanHermit@reddit

Holy hell!

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zoinkability@reddit

Perhaps a lesson to be learned here is that if you are in a densely populated area and a tsunami warning is called, it may be faster to get to high ground on bike or foot than by car.

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againandagain22@reddit

And take an inflatable boat with you so that when the tall building topples over you can jump from the balcony into the boatie just before the building hits the water .

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doshido@reddit

Motorbike for the win

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YeetedApple@reddit

Especially for something like that where you evacuate a relatively short distance. Wouldnt be a bad idea to preemptively find a few good routes to high ground on foot/bike, and hike/ride it every now and then to learn the area well and make sure you can physically handle it.

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zoinkability@reddit

Yep, and to do it with any kids or older folks. That is probably the achilles heel of getting out under your own power — dependents who maybe less capable of the effort.

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Head-Engineering-847@reddit

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Fine_Cup_7155@reddit

Guy said nah ima surf

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nikonf22@reddit

I’ve been in Waikiki during v a tsunami alert and if it was a real one everyone would die.

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LilGrunties@reddit

They should have all just walked or rode bikes.

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redaroodle@reddit

This is what happens when most speed limits top out at 50mph and many don’t feel motivated to drive over 35mph

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slickrok@reddit

The fuck are you talking about?

This is bc everyone is evacuating from the warning, just like hurricane evacs go in FL.

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redaroodle@reddit

A road network’s capacity is highly dependent on speed limits.

Hawaii’s overly draconian low speed limits, and residents who drive even slower, wholly exacerbated the gridlock from this post.

I can guarantee you the “rushing to get to higher ground” here wasn’t rushing at all in a proper sense, and massively influenced this gridlock.

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Axeaxa_Xaxaxeie@reddit

Not a single person in this video has seen Deep Impact, huh? Fuck Im old

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

Can someone enlighten me about the geography? You't can't walk to higher ground?

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beach_2_beach@reddit

How many westerners are capable of walking more than say 2 miles. On flat ground.

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

Outside of the US I can't think of a single country where a 3.2km walk would be unusual. That's shorter than my morning walk to work.

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

In 86 degrees high humidity in hawaii?

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

30 degrees celcius at 63% humdity, you don't have to hike up a mountain just find higher ground.

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

Its a 30 mile hike. Because Oprah owns 1,000 acres preventing use of the shortest routes. I been to Maui multiple times and know the lay of the land.

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

Americans really are hamstrung when it comes to civil protest aren't they?

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jaqian@reddit

Correction how many Americans. The rest of the West has no issue with this.

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Ok_Builder_4225@reddit

Most, I bet. I'm brutally out of shape and still managed when I went on a long walk for the first time in like a decade. It's just not convenient. Especially if you're making unwise decisions and trying to haul a bunch of stuff with you. Of course, it does also get much harder if you have small children. Not as much to be done about that one. Except maybe get a bike.

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

And this is why so many of those 'preper' types are going to be the first to die. They can't escape, they can't defend themselves and if someone lays them to siege they will run out of bullets eventually.

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Fiigarooo@reddit

u gotta be trolling or u just exclusively know fat people

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

At Four Seasons hotel, guest couldnt get to higher ground because Oorah owns the land behind it. Her security stopped people.

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Flowing_going@reddit

Holy….fucking….shit…. Oprah is such a piece of shit for this.

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princeofpoland@reddit

Holy shit it's really like a shitty end of the world disaster movie

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Warburgerska@reddit

What a clown world.

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trailquail@reddit

You can but they probably want to get their cars out of the inundation zone as well.

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Successful-Memory839@reddit

Worth risking your life for?

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EyeInTeaJay@reddit

They have time to exit vehicles and hike uphill or enter a high rise if it comes to that. The wave is expected to hit 7:17 HST.

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f47Thunderbolt@reddit

Not at Four Seasons Maui. oprah blocked people from walking to higher ground

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EquivalentRooster501@reddit

Did this clear before it hit?

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parrotia78@reddit

Left, then two rights after going 2 miles Oprah will put you up.

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Baked_potato123@reddit

There are still a few crazy surfers still in the water!

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Gold-Piece2905@reddit

An e bike would be so much faster than sitting around in a car.

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flimflammedzimzammed@reddit

How stupid, "Let's wait until the last-minute honey. What could possibly go wrong?"

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AdAble557@reddit

If using a bike to get out, has anyone considered a bike trailer? Obviously you can have a backpack, but it would come in handy if you have other supplies and or with someone who can't ride

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DwarvenRedshirt@reddit

In a short term "high risk" situation like that, I wouldn't use a bike trailer. You want maximum mobility in potentially tight spaces. It's a short term event in that there'll be recovery operations after (ie. you've got avenues to get supplies, you're not totally cut off).

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trailquail@reddit

This is why you always evacuate as early as you can. The evacuation may be called off and you have to head back home, but that’s way better than getting stuck in evacuation traffic and potentially not making it out in time. I learned my lesson during hurricane Rita.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Seeing this is just... infuriating, they have a potential historic level tsunami coming (based on earthquake size) and everything is just gridlock, what a way to die, don't they have evacuation traffic plans for this?

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DwarvenRedshirt@reddit

Not sure you can have evacuation plans for that many cats, err, humans.

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trailquail@reddit

I don’t know whether the gridlock is due to poor evacuation management or just the fact that there’s such a congested area right on the beach there. That’s a lot of people to get out of there even with pretty good advance notice.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

I hope this turns out to be a nothing burger and everyone learns from it.

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trailquail@reddit

I do, too. My late FIL was a survivor of both the 1946 and 1960 tsunamis and his stories about them always scared me.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

I was working at Honda in Ohio in 2011, to see / hear the distress that day from co-workers has stuck with me. Even worse they were showing grainy pictures of their lost family homes / neighborhoods, talking about friends and neighbors that died, and how they felt guilty being abroad working and felt helpless.

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canigetahint@reddit

Having gone through an evacuation during Hurricane Rita, those people are fucked. Scooters/motorcycles are going to be the champs in this situation. Grab your important paperwork and pets and GTFO.

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AntelopeExisting4538@reddit

So much rushing going on I can’t take my eye off it

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headlune77@reddit

normal for Oahu.

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Pyroclastic_Hammer@reddit

That’s why there needs to be a concerted effort by the community to have mass transit systems rerouted and available for this sort of mass evacuation event. Everyone piling into their own car is just a horrible “plan”.

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miTgiB37@reddit

Where they going? Millilani doesn't have enough room to fit eveyone

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blokeonarope@reddit

Bicycles FTW!

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kormer@reddit

Me watching a disaster movie: This movie's traffic jam is so unrealistic, those people would have had hours to evacuate.

Reality:

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DwarvenRedshirt@reddit

You get stuck in that kind of situation when the tsunami hits, you’re probably boned, but there is still a chance depending on the situation. It reminds me of this clip from a dashcam of a survivor of the 2011 Japan Tsunami. https://youtu.be/eUdGfplrbKU?si=Wq8X5tSAMhEU4ruw

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J0E_Blow@reddit

The concept of evacuating a whole city is so fascinating to me.

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DaisyHotCakes@reddit

Are there any updates? Haven’t seen anything yet and am just concerned about someone I know who is vacationing there.

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J0E_Blow@reddit

Hawaii is completely gone. All the islands were reconquered by Neptune and Poseidon.

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

Little waves, nothing huge, no underwater landslides. I think everythings okay.

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babywhiz@reddit

Do we have footage yet from last night?

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AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit (OP)

It was underwhelming.

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Drwolfbear@reddit

This as anticlimactic as this was I’m very interested in stuff like this video. I go once a year and have several family members there. Noted to have a plan that doesn’t involve a car

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DancingEurynome@reddit

godspeed folks.

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NefariousnessSlow298@reddit

Fuck cars.

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old_Spivey@reddit

If you had all electric cars with self driving, there would be no traffic jams.

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jaqian@reddit

Until they're all hacked

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IDKSAB_tbh@reddit

Even toasters run into firmware bugs. Why would a self driving car network would be immune?

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4E4ME@reddit

I saw two different Waymo's make an illegal left turn into heavy traffic on the same day a couple of weeks back, so... No.

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paralleltimelines@reddit

Resident here, the initial contact has been manageable so far, better everyone tried to play it safe. Hopefully we do until we get an all clear in a couple more hours.

I actually was at the movie theater when the alerts hit, 5 hours before estimated arrival at 19:10. Plenty people got up to get refunds and leave. My movie probably had 15 peopl and they gradually trickled out, down to 3 by the end.

The theater is 2 miles inland and 1 mile into the designated tsunami safe zone so I figured I'd be ok with 1.5 hours between movie ending and tsunami touchdown.

My roommate was on the way home and should've been there around 15:30 to top off our water buckets and make sure the dogs are ok. They decided to get gas at Costco, just around the corner from my theater. Took them 30min to get gas, then 1.5 hours to drive a measly 4.6 miles.

I finished my movie, ready at any time to park the car somewhere legal and hike it up home, and it would take me 2 hours max from the farthest point, again I'm already in a safe zone.

I took an alternate, longer way home and got there in a much faster 40min, arriving just 20 minutes after the roomie, who was like HOW DID YOU DO THAT.

It was very nice to come home to a well stocked home. Roomie had topped off my gravity filters a little too much, but I moved the water around before any spilled over. Also filled am empty rain barrel with 55gal.

Very relaxed experience to me, but very interesting to see the anxiety happen in realtime. Roomie and dogs were still on edge, but I felt very comfortable throughout. Really good practice and my lack of anxiety makes all this prep so worth it.

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mwpdx86@reddit

Aren't like half those people going the wrong way?

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Perhaps_A_Cat@reddit

At the end of the world some people just go to work.

I don't understand it either.

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Ricky_Ventura@reddit

No, the other poster is correct. Theyre running parallel to the ocean so they're all, 100% of them, trying to connect to an inland street further ahead.

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Perhaps_A_Cat@reddit

Oh okay. I've never been to Hawaii. I do know that they only have one bus called the one bus. I honestly don't know what I would do in their position but I like walking long distances so I would probably start walking towards higher ground.

They might get a tsunami but it's not going to be all that tall. By the time it gets out to Tacoma, I think it's supposed to be like a foot and change and that'll be around 2:00 a.m. My time.

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RoxnDox@reddit

The thing about tsunamis, though, is that the runup is affected not only by the actual wave height out at sea, but also by the undersea topography. A harbor or bay may be shaped like a natural funnel that can focus the water's energy to create a much higher final height. At the same time a headband nearby may experience almost nothing.

Island residents are taking the event seriously, which is good. They may need revised plans, though, to emphasize going up into those tall buildings rather than going inland.

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