Zero tolerance subreddit moderation ruins this site, what's the alternative?
Posted by Isogash@reddit | RedditAlternatives | View on Reddit | 33 comments
Too many subs will permanently ban you with no hope of appeal over a single comment because they are "too active" to be able to honestly handle appeals, which means you basically can't disagree with anyone (especially a moderator) on these subs or you'll just permanently lose the ability to comment. It you try to appeal then they threaten to report you for harassment and mute you from sending further modmails. How am I meant to learn how much disagreement is acceptable for a given community if the first time I find out it's too much is with a permaban?
IMO, there are so many much better solutions. Reddit should enforce a moderation system with warnings and strikes for first or minor offenses and remove the ability to permaban unless the comment breaches Reddit's own more serious rules (hate speech, doxxing or calls to violence etc.) or the user has accrued strikes. Some Reddit mod teams clearly don't care that their policies permanently negatively impact real people just trying to enjoy the site because once you're banned, they don't have to hear about it! You would never find blanket zero tolerance policies like this on any moderated sub or forum anywhere else.
Are there any decent alternatives to Reddit that don't encourage such practices?
PickleOverlord1@reddit
For a while, I felt like I was getting perma banned from every subreddit I posted in. Was pretty disheartening, as I wasn't even disagreeing in most cases. Just asking questions.
MigrateOutOfReddit@reddit
People gonna be people no matter where you go.
Lemmy/PieFed put some check on admin control. Mods are still the same asshats, but it's easier to get admins on your side against an asshat mod.
whoswipedmyname@reddit
Sweaty losers who epitomize Impotent Authority is what many of these moderators are.
Ooh, look at little Kim Jong Mod with his digital iron fist. So scary! So powerful!
They have too much sway on Reddit.
whirled-news@reddit
https://discuit.org
It's open-source, nonprofit and for the most part admins and mods are very tolerant.
Present_Self9644@reddit
Discuit is even more zero-tolerance than Reddit. They'll ban a user for even the slightest bit of edginess.
whirled-news@reddit
Well, that all depends. If someone acts like an abusive, disruptive dick under the guise of "edginess", then yes, they will be banned.
Present_Self9644@reddit
Yes, and with more than half of the site's usership consisting of moderators who want to polish the shine to an uncontroversial mirror sheen, that means that literally anything that could make grandma wrinkle up her nose at the table becomes characterized as "abusive, disruptive dickishness."
whirled-news@reddit
Wow, that's over 4,300 people!
Present_Self9644@reddit
The actual site has about 75 people on it. And the core group is Reddit moderators who fled the site when Spez wouldn't let them take their subs dark in protest.
Robertkr1986@reddit
So true
CyberneticMidnight@reddit
57 reddit accounts per subreddit..simple as
Toothless_NEO@reddit
Make sure to add in tracking protection there otherwise they'll just ban them automatically with no effort for "ban evasion". VPN with privacy hardened browser or Tor.
abyssal_banana@reddit
Yup. I had an account that got banned for posting on a Trump sub and then posting on a sub that bans you for posting in a Trump sub (my comment was heavily anti-Trump, in a sub for questioning republicans). Anyway, my roommate then posted in the same sub that I was banned from, and because of the IP auto ban all of my roommates (four of us) accounts were banned. That was a fun discussion.
Toothless_NEO@reddit
Huh, how long ago was that? I heard Reddit dialed back IPs as a form of ban evasion detection (they still use it but generally rely first on browser history, cookies, and available fingerprinting) so as to not ban people using VPNs, Tor, or CGNAT (ISPs sharing IPs between multiple customers).
Uh-winning@reddit
Yeah, hardly anyone using IP because of exactly those reasons. You'll ban the parents, the siblings, and anyone who ever visited your home or used the same Hotspot. That's a loss in clients no business can withstand.
They use device fingerprinting and specific email accounts, like almost everyone else does. For browsers, cookies and whatever fingerprinting that browser supports.
PersonalityUpper2388@reddit
Are there still people who use social media without a VPN and other precautions?
Toothless_NEO@reddit
There are plenty of people who still do unfortunately, they're also the type to click those lucky wheel and survey scams and put their credit cards right in.
PersonalityUpper2388@reddit
Yep, I also have several accounts because something keeps happening. This one has lasted quite a long time by my standards.
It's just hard to censor yourself internally in such a way that the left-wing morons are happy.
PersonalityUpper2388@reddit
Yeah, I was just banned again for three days because I made a stupid comment. Only wimps and an AI that has been castrated moderate here.
Let me guess, another 3 days off?
Howrus@reddit
It's so funny to check profile of people who complain about "Reddit ban me without any reason". :]
Dude, RedditAlternative won't help you if you continue to act same as on Reddit.
Isogash@reddit (OP)
Your horse is so high that Elon Musk would be jealous.
kdjfsk@reddit
Outside.
Anal-Y-Sis@reddit
Lemmy.
AnonomousWolf@reddit
https://piefed.world
Descartador@reddit
do I get lemmy posts on my piefed account?
Pamasich@reddit
Yes
triangularRectum420@reddit
Second this.
Shigglyboo@reddit
Digg is in beta and rocks so far
PupDiogenes@reddit
one tolerance
Stoic-Chimp@reddit
agorasocial.io - transparent moderation and 0 ads. Come join us :)
AnonomousWolf@reddit
Is it open source?
Commercial-Capybara@reddit
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InternetElf_000@reddit
Currently struggling with many subs but most of all r/MadokaMagica, keep hitting the mute button for maximum penalty without exchanging a single word, and I keep showing up to demonstrate that will not work. They are currently complete wankers, who will either learn to grow up or be made to. As it stands, they prove a Moderator's job always pays too much, and is never hard enough. I am in favour of, similar to the impermanence of muting, bans cannot last forever. I'd love to see them squirm under those conditions.
I also find myself struck every other day for correctly handling bad people with the block button, and that is owed to bad-faith reporting. The admins tout likewise bullshit as outlined in your post, going off of feelings or say-so before actually doing their job, i.e. punishing THEM for the false report, punishing THEIR instigating, etc. My statement regarding pay and efforts apply to them too.