Am I crazy for wanting to go from a 12900k to a 9800X3D?

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TheSpiral718@reddit

Nope. I just did it. 300fps in bf6 on low, 250fps epic settings. Im running a 5070ti though and ram is cl30-36-46-77 @32gb. Formerly running a 12900k that reached 130-150 epic settings, 200 low. Can feel the upgrade with my 240hz oled.

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Commander-S_Chabowy@reddit

I went from 12600kf to 7800x3d and there is a notable difference especially in cup bounded games like gachas, esport and simulators

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bboyka17@reddit

I have a 12600k currently with a 5070 and battlefield 6 has been giving me some grief with high cpu usage and sub par frames and stutters so I picked up a 7800x3d ($279) and a gigabyte b650e($120) but will be using only 16gb of ddr5. Im still within my return windows and haven’t even opened boxes but I’m getting cold feet if all the money I spent is even going to be worth it. Could you tell me it’s worth it or if I should get my money back ? Lol

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Zealousideal_Bid1232@reddit

If you don’t have a 5080 or 5090 you probably wouldn’t notice a difference

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burncell@reddit

Funny that you say this, I currently use a 12900k with a 5090, And boy, it's not working out,

man It's just not working well together, Even just in desktop, I have to crank the Cpu to constant high boost, Just to make the ridiculous latency dips stop... in just desktop doing nothing,

I tried everything, so I will go all in, I will buy the rest of the parts I didn't buy when I bought the 5090.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Something else going a miss here for sure, thermals or something. I use a 12900K and 5090 setup and it's absolutely fine for gaming.

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burncell@reddit

After fiddling with some things, I managed to stop the latency dips in desktop But not ingame,

Can I ask in what resolution you play and what FPS you normally get?

Also, what motherbord do you use?

What games do you play to see those results? Do you have HDR?

what's your 1% lows?

Do you use G-sync? Also, has your monitor native G-sync or Free-sync that supports G-sync,

DisplayPort or HDMI (weird question, i know)

Ram specs 👓 and widows version like 23h2 or 24h2?

Man, that's a lot of questions, sorry but I really want to find out what it seems to be,

You would help me greatly by giving me something to compare it with.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

I'm travelling at the moment and I'll update with more details tomorrow but figured I'd answer some of your questions now when I've seen the reply.

I play predominantly at 3440x1440 on an Alienware AW3423DWF refresh rate is 165hz and I target 158hz using DLSS/DLAA and FG. I know alot of ppl shit on these technologies but I don't really see the downsides to them. I mostly play single player RPG type games, most recently I've been playing Forza Horizon 5, Spiderman 2, Ninja Gaiden Black 2, Returnal and The Last of Us part 1.

I also use an older non HDR non OLED 4K monitor but I can't remember the make/model right now but I only use this for games with no ultrawide support, it's a backup essentially.

Yes I have OLED and HDR. Memory is Corsair Vengeance 5600 C36 Motherboard is Asus Z690-F Monitor uses Free sync but I apply G sync in NCP for full screen.

Regards FPS I'll post proper figures instead of guesses from memory later but I only occasionally check FPS when I can feel drops and that's very rare since I got my 5090.

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burncell@reddit

Thanks, man, I was actually hoping you had a Z790 or higher model motherboard because I suspected that was part of the problem,

But you got the exact same model as I use, And I think even the same memory as well,

DisplayPort , Oled + HDR, bios, drivers, Windows 11 all updated or the same things i use,

So, that is a lot of things I can scratch off the list of potential problems in one sweep,

That's great man, it will save me a LOT of time,

Things I have different than you: 5k2k ultrawide 165hz LG, and that's it, basically

It has the same tech inside as yours,

A side note, I have a buddy who also got a 12900k, has a 4090 Gpu, playing on 4k

Also, not a single problem,

The cooling isn't the problem, Ram tests are good, Completely changed all cables for the highest quality, 1300 watts power unit, bought it alongside the 5090,

It has every protection system in it + a connection for a 5090 cable (the right one)

Its a darn difficult puzzle..

What i did to fix the desktop dips,

I used several things that accumulated in a improvement, but the biggest thing that worked (for desktop) was simply putting the power setting in windows to ultimate performance, (With some tweaks) in the power plan

That made the Cpu boost to a higher clock speed and stay there, even when doing nothing,

I have tried everything under the sun in Bios, windows and nividia control panel,

I also disabled or enabled every driver in device management,

Same thing in Services and Features,

I feel i need to nuke this problem from orbit and start with more drastic measures,

But at least I have a list of things I no longer have to check,

Thanks for the effort man.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

No problem at all.

That's odd also as I've never had to use 'prefer maximum performance' type settings for either GPU or CPU.

If thermals are all good I'm kinda stumped too, I assume you used a fresh windows install. Far as I'm aware only the 13 and 14 gen Intel's had freak performance issues.

I had a 4090 prior to my 5090 also and that worked great too.

Only game I've had real stutter issues with in recent years was Hogwarts Legacy, everything else has been good.

I will give you some performance metrics tomorrow when I get a chance. Is there a particular game your interested in knowing? Are you more interested in 4k performance, since the lesser 3440x1440 res would be more CPU relative. I've a reasonable size steam library so I could possibly have it.

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burncell@reddit

It's the first time for me as well that I have used maximum performance,

It's not a good setting to have set, especially if it's only for desktop,

4k is more in the range of my setup, so that would be my preference,

After some more testing, I have found out that some games have way less stuttering, or non at all in 1 game,

F1 Formula race game had no stuttering at all,

No man's sky was really playable despite some small stutter,

Helldivers 2 terrible stuttering,

Warhammer DarkTide had the same terrible stuttering,

The game i mainly tested all my settings on was DarkTide,

I think it's 2 different stutters at the same time,

A consistent microstutter (smoothness) And an interval of massive fps dips in 1% lows only

So, high fps in regular Fps statistic Also, it is high in 1% lows, but that dips constantly 40,50, and 60 frame dips,

And here is the kicker, It won't matter if I set my settings ingame to extreme or at its lowest,

Sure, there are some improvements, but it's dipping Like crazy still,

Same crazy stuff with G-sync, If i turn it off, it's also smoother it's not completely fixed, But it gives an improvement all the same,

But its possible that G-sync can't handle the depth of the 1% dips as g sync needs a minimum of 40 fps if I remember, or its simply to big of a dip to compensate for,

I haven't tested more games yet because i deleted everything and all programs and only kept the essentials for testing,

I even turned off Windows Defender and Firewall at some point,

I disabled parts of the pc, hardware drivers for parts thats not needed,

Disabled services thats not needed,

I only use and have M.2 disks

I can install more games for testing, but I felt it won't help pin the problem as I already have 2,5 games that showed the issue, It would've only shown what games run bad or good,

No anti virus, not a single program running in the background of the exception of steam + game and latencyMon,

Now I am just wondering if I had the same dips, but way smaller when I used the 3080ti in my pc? I also used a 2k monitor at that point,

Making the problem even less noticeable,

The 3080ti couldn't smash that many fps to begin with, so the dips would be less likely to be seen,

I also never used LatancyMon before my issues with my 5090,

Well, at least I know it's not the pc parts' lack of strength,

I have spent the last 2.5 weeks trying everything in the book of potential fixes,

I think the last page says "you're fucked"

I have thrown in the big guns, And bought a new

Motherboard combined with an AMD 9950x3d And some modest 65GB 28 lc Ram

If some part of the pc was secretly dying or dysfunctional it will not matter anymore,

now I have a completely new pc to build, I will find out if its fixed soon,

I will rebuild the "old" pc aswell and test it with my 3080ti as I don't like unsolved mysteries,

But this way I will at least have an working pc in the meantime + an spare if the 5090 goes boom💥

Thanks for the helping hands I will update you if I have ..mmm ..well and update to give ;)

If you are interested in the aftermath.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Please do update. Hopefully you can solve the problem at some point also as every so often I add a 9800x3d and MB to cart then decide against it cos I'm just not sure I'll really get my money's worth improvement with it. I feel I'd be best waiting.

I do have Helldivers 2 I can test in 4k and give you FPS and 1% numbers but from memory the 12900k and 5090 breezed that game and it felt very smooth always. I'll update Sunday.

Hope your problems are solved. Big spend but now you've the basically the best of the best setup.

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burncell@reddit

I just found a new possible reason as to why it happened, I don't have the possibility to test it yet,

But apparently the Samsung 990 M.2 modules are dying within months of use sometimes,

And people report the same symptoms as i have when they do are slowly dying 🐌,

And I bought one months ago.... Well, at this point its a theory

But I will test it as soon I have my new pc parts installed,

I would love to see the Helldivers 2 fps results I will install it on the new setup and will send you my new results aswell,

I think i can set my monitor to 4k so we have a better comparison,

Maybe it will make your decision to upgrade or not easier for you,

I will update you when I know more, 🕵🏻

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Hi, So I tested out Helldivers 2 and have some FPS numbers to compare. There's no in-game benchmark unfortunately but I played a couple of maps playing at 4k native in max settings with the A-compute or whatever it's called setting at the bottom of the settings at both yes and No separately (it didn't seem to make a difference).

Overall the FPS largely averaged in the 120 to 130 region and the 1% low was most often in the 70-80 region. GPU power around the 500w mark, highest I seen was 525 ISH.

Although it felt smooth and I had no complaints I expected higher results to be honest. So checked some YouTube 4k max settings vids and was seeing results averaging in the 140-150 FPS range with 9800X3D. So I'm losing a little performance by the looks.

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burncell@reddit

Well, i have some good news for you and some bad news,

I seem to have fixed the problem at my end by Reinstalling windows + installing drivers straight from the source,

And i disabled some drivers that were making trouble, So it wasn't my m.2 ssd disks,

I still need to buy a new Cpu cooler to test my "old" pc, but that's for later,

That's my good news, Onwards to the bad news

Your pc has a bottleneck, When I put the resolution to 4k, at native, everything max

I maxed out at my 165 refresh rate with 1% lows rolling between 95 to 100, it will go way higher if I disable g sync and v sync

Granted, I have a 9950x3d, but you have probably noticed that your GPU is working at around 65% of his potential,

Atleast thats what is happening in my game,

I use nividia statistics overlay advanced

It will show how much % your GPU has to work,

On to potential good news for you, Helldivers 2 has no DLSS or DLAA or frame gen,

Well, that's not the good news, but the 50 series has something called "Smooth Motion"

And low latency settings you can try out,

Start the Nividia's New and improved "nividia APP" Select : graphics

Select Helldivers 2 by program settings, NOT global settings

Don't press the green button "optimize" It sucks,

Below, you will see

Ingame settings - current value - preview value, We are getting close,

Scroll down, You will see "Driver Settings"

Because we selected -program settings- and then helldivers 2

It will only apply to ...Well.. Helldivers 2

Change these settings:

Smooth Motion (on)

Low latency mode (ultra)

if you can't change it, leave it It's probably turned on by smooth motion,

Vertical sync (fast)

That's it, Try it out, i want to know how much it has changed for you with these settings,

Set these settings to all games that's not supporting DLss and frame gen,

Unless it's already going ham with the fps then you don't need it,

Actually, some people prefer Smooth motion over frame gen,

Sometimes its just working better than frame gen in some games,

Although it's what people say 🤷 I just found the setting like yesterday,

I am curious about the results ;)

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

I'm already using ultra latency mode in NCP.

Thanks for posting results, it's a big difference. This is definitely set at 4k and also rendering at native setting?

I only ask because that is even beyond the YouTube vid benchmarks I've seen which are at 99% 5090 utilisation.

When I was playing at the maximum settings I could GPU utilisation was 98%

Again I've had 9800x3d and MB combo in my basket I think I will order tomorrow and just sell the 12900K and be done with it though :)

Which 5090 model do you have? Mine is the Palit gamerock as it was all I could get my hands on at release.

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burncell@reddit

Now, I am going to double-check for extra safety,

But try Smooth motion it will help you out It doesn't no matter if you have the 5090,

Do you use 3840x2160 or 3440x1440?

I have tested it with 3440x1440,

My desktop settings are set to 3440x1440 Ingame the same resolution Set to Native render scale Turned off Smooth Motion

I have hardware acceleration GPU Scheduling ON in windows,

I turned on VSync Its just better for gaming,

! It will cap the frames to the max frame rate set by your monitor !

But I don't leave the ship, it's a more constant environment for testing dips,

Also in nividia the settings are not going to screw with the resolution

I even turned off screen scaling so my screen got smaller Result are: 165 fps capped by VSync 1% lows : 100 to 130 range (walking made it go to 85) GPU at 70% 330 watt 🔋

But I don't see how this difference between us is even possible. A new Processor won't make your GPU work less somehow, at least I think so,

At 3840x2160

My Gpu went to 97% do you use this resolution? Because then we are not so far apart with the GPU utility %

Standing still with character Fps 162 1% lows 82 455 watt power draw

I wonder if the youtubers used supersampeling or not, Its going to be asking more from the Gpu

I myself like to use supersampling, not ultra sampling aswell,

It will make the game look better, but I tested everything on native so no worries.

Don't make haste with making the decision, it might only help with 1% lows, so it has to be worth it

Normally, if a cpu isn't fast enough, the gpu has to do less not more,

Because it has to wait for the 🐌 cpu.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

The results I posted earlier was at 3840 x 2160 in game in a map whilst playing the game, the results just in the ship alone were alot higher.

The videos I checked on YouTube for comparison just used native 4k also, all other settings were full.

I can't recall if I have smooth motion enabled already but will check later. Thanks.

Please try playing a map in game and see if the FPS is a bit lowered.

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burncell@reddit

Ah 3840 x 2160, that makes more sense as to why the differences were so far apart,

I have the 5090 astral from Asus, the one with the watercooler stuck to it,

But the differences would be minimal between us unless you have one with missing cuda cores, But I doubt that,

I measured at a lower res than you, My GPU went to 97% workload at the same resolution as you

I have everything stock, No undervolting or even set the RAM clock above stock,

I was testing settings in Bios and just set it to stock for our comparison

I will test it on a map I will have the results in a few hours,

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Thanks that'd be much appreciated. If it's not a big hassle could you record approx FPS figures for both 3840x2160 and 3440x1440 in a map for a rough average and 1% lows. Just running around the map for a few minutes and getting a feel for the average FPS is enough thanks.

I do most of my gaming on the OLED at 3440x1440 so this is where I'd be most interested in gains from a 9800X3D (which I believe the 9950X3D gaming performance is very close to).

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burncell@reddit

Thanks man, i went all in,

I bought an LG 5k2k monitor... but thats really tough on the GPU, So, i needed the best to make gaming smooth again,

I would suggest that you pick the 9800x3d if you have already decided to buy a new CPU

If you only play games or do very little work on the pc The 9800 will be way more stable than the 9950

The 9950 has some issues with games, apparently when utilizing the wrong cores or something,

I simply did not have enough time with it to test it out yet, but thats what people report on reddit so far,

Its going to take a bit longer to test the ingame FPS out, I have some extra work unfortunately to do first.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

No rush at all just when you can it would be greatly appreciated. Nothing too taxing in terms of FPS tests just a couple mins running around the map in general and approx average FPS ballpark like 150-160fps and 1% low 100-120 for example.

It would be the 9800X3D I would go for as this pc is just for gaming now. I just wanna ensure before spending the ~£700 that there's a decent amount of gain at 3440x1440 to be had. Im leaning toward leaving it for now cos I'm not unhappy with the setup but I would like to make the most of my 5090 purchase too. I'm torn :)

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burncell@reddit

I got the results from walking on a planet, I have set my RAM on exo 2, Making my RAM work at 6000 something,

Everyone needs to do that anyway for making the RAM module work at the speeds it was presented at,

At 3440x1440 No V-sync turned on, If I didn't do that, it would not go above 165, Also turned off Smooth Motion At native

171 fps 1% lows 148,

120 fps 1% lows 80, (i didn't see the dip though)

120 fps, lows 1% 90, (again i just didn't see it) It probably was a micro dip or something 🤔

I never played helldivers 2 so damm Smooth 🤷

Even in small battles around 157, lows 131 140, lows 90,

But still, it was movie Smooth, I never played this Smooth,

3840x2160 140 fps, lows 130,

130 fps, lows 120,

Micro dips lows 115, 80,

Rolls like a smooth ride aswell, Its just great, man,

I noticed the frames were more constant than at 3440x1440,

It won't matter much if you get more enemies in your presence around you too,

It was just more stable than at lower res, It was kinde surprising,

I think with the right Bios settings, I would get even a better framerate,

But all this is basically at stock settings, I hope you got the results you're hoping for.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Thanks for taking the time to update, More so to put my mind at rest as these results don't differ enough from my own tbh, there's a bit of an improvement in 1% lows but not a large amount. I don't feel any dip when playing either. Glad that's us both happy :) Hope you manage to get your other system sorted also. Thanks again man.

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burncell@reddit

Dude, you helped me first, so I am glad I could return the favor,

I spent 2 weeks trying to fix it, And way too much money,

But I learned stuff and got a better system in the progress,

So it's not all bad,

Have a good one, good sir

P.S. Don't forget about Smooth Motion 😉

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Checked it last night and I must have enabled smooth motion already, last time I did a Nvidia driver update.

Yep that's one monster system you have now!

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burncell@reddit

Haha, if you already turned it on, then you have to do the test again without smooth motion 🤣

Its basically frame gen, This way, you will truly see the difference between our systems,

I turned it off when I tested my Fps,

P.s Indeed, he is, Its PC name is : ROG-APEX, A fitting name, don't you think?

The motherboard is a ROG Apex, so it's only natural to call him by its own title 😉

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Weird, I was doubting myself whether I'd turned it on or off last night but to be sure I installed today's new Nvidia driver and at defaults without vsync etc. Helldivers 2, 3440x1440 all settings ultra FPS was steadily in the 200s in game on the map running around and lows were 130-140. I'll leave this to rest here as satisfied with our setups.

Oh yeah very fitting name, mines is Skynet and every system I'm ever owned was also Skynet 😂

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burncell@reddit

Wait, wasn't Skynet trying to kill Connor? 😅 have fun killing Bots,

See you around reddit and have fun mate.

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

Haha yeah that's it.

You too mate, enjoy 👍🏻

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Stunning-Corner-2922@reddit

So I went for a 9800X3D in the end. There is a difference in the lows and it feels overall marginally better overall. But what's really noticeable for me is how much more efficient it is compared to the 12900K with the 360mm aio it stays way cooler. Don't regret or advise on the change tbh. It's a pretty big cost for a little difference but I've peace of mind I'm getting the most outta my 5090 now :)

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Elitefuture@reddit

Depends on the game, common misconception that a set of parts = no bottlenecks for all games. There will always be a bottleneck, the game decides which part becomes the bottleneck.

Most esports titles = CPU bottleneck in most rigs

Most AAA titles = GPU bottleneck in most rigs

There are ofc exceptions like marvel rivals using a lot of gpu and baldur's gate using a lot of CPU. But it depends on the game.

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

Marvel Rivals is pretty CPU bound; so I don't think it's that much of an exception. When I run the benchmark in the game, it shows my 1% lows for CPU at 20fps, my graphics card is no where near that.

All that said; the actual game runs fine, I can play it at 4k Ultra everything with Lumen GI and Lumen reflections and DLSS set to Quality and still get 55-60 fps.

I'm on an i5 9600k and an RTX 5070 12 gb. If I upgraded to the 9800X3D I'd see a nearly 25% uplift in total, but my CPU 1% lows would be so high, that my average frame rate estimate would be almost 70 fps. With 2x frame gen it's actually excellent. At 1440p with 2X I'm at 220 FPS. This gives you a really responsive base frame rate and good frame gen for high refresh monitors. With Reflex and Boost the frame time is about 14 ms, which is lower than 60 locked without Reflex or frame gen....

So that's very competitive. I'm playing on a 60hz 4k 43" Samsung TV from 2016, and I've managed to make it to Grandmaster at 120fps Ultra everything in 4k at around 110 fps with 2x frame gen.

Input lag matters, but mostly on the display and the base frame rate. If those are high already... frame gen isn't the boogey man everyone makes it out to be for competitive games. It's more than adequate to get to celestial or Eternity. So unless you're trying to play professionally at the highest levels for money -- I really don't think it's super advantageous to shut it off.

Necros is playing at 4x frame gen at 800 FPS and he's routinely top 500.

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burncell@reddit

How can you see the difference between cpu 1% lows and the Gpu 1% Lows?

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JPackers0427@reddit

Ya... that reply is so fucking stupid... helldivers 2 at low everything exept particles and texture which are at ultra hog up my entire 14900k performance cores... i disabled efficiency cores and when I play HD2 it says 100% cpu utilization and sometimes gpu drops as low as 50%... 6800xt at 1440p its insane how cpu heavy that game is

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burncell@reddit

I have played helldivers a lot,

On my 12900k, it was never struggling too much, with the same resolution,

So its not the Cpu you have an Beast of a Cpu

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kikimaru024@reddit

Clear your shader cache!
This has been an ongoing issue with HD2 but it's a very easy fix.

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bubken99@reddit

Tbf Marvel Rivals is only an exception because it's probably one of the worst optimized games out there

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

It's not anymore. They optimized it tremendously going into season 2.5 and then again with the season 3 patch. Stranges portals don't slow the game down anymore, neither does the map rearranging itself... I used to have to play this game on medium settings without lumen GI or Lumen Reflections, but now I can play it with Lumen GI on Ultra and Lumen Reflections and still get frame rates higher than I got with those settings off before.

They don't ever put "performance" things in the patch notes, but it's no where near what it used to be, it's fairly solidly optimized now.

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Masungit@reddit

Some maps are still badly optimised. My GPU usage still drops on some areas of some maps like the Spider-Island maps. My CPU is a 12700K.

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

I have a 9600k and mine doesn't drop anywhere... So that's weird, yeah?

That tells me your CPU isn't working right.

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Masungit@reddit

Nah. I’ve looked up benchmarks on YouTube and saw the same performance as I was having. You’re probably lying. No way that 9th gen is keeping up in Marvel Rivals. You are delusional.

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

Lol ok.

https://youtu.be/UclPxEZXfGs?si=UWcbdE2wvy84b1Y2

No way that's ultra everything including lumen and lumen reflections at 4k with dlss on Quality.

No way at all, it's just a delusion.

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Masungit@reddit

I don’t see any performance metrics aside from FPS. Are you a moron? Lol

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

Yeah I'm at 4K ultra everything, DLSS Quality.... What do you want? A 5090 can't do 240hz.

If I lower the resolution to 1440p, the frame rate on ultra everything is 200+.

Here is the thing, I ordered an Ultrawide WQHD QOLED Curved screen that's 175 hz.

You're asking me to have performance is the very best hardware on the market when I have an i5 9600k and a 5070.

Like 200 fps completely maxed out is bad or something?

You don't need to see anything other than the FPS, because you can see the game doesn't hitch and it's really smooth, right?

So what are you wanting to see?

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Masungit@reddit

Coz you are absolutely clueless. Install afterburner, display CPU usage and GPU usage so you can see, then uncap your framerate. Then play a match in the spider-island maps. There is absolutely no way your GPU will be 95-99% at all times. I have a 9700K too so I know. Your fucking target is 100 fps, that’s not exactly pushing the CPU to its limits. Plus aren’t you using frame gen? Ofcourse my target is also to be GPU bound but at 240 hz it’s much harder for an old CPU to keep up in this game, both my 9700K and my 12700k. What? Your CPU is special?

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

Zzzzz. So you don't care how the game runs then? You just car to see GPU utilization numbers? And when the framerate is still high... Then the argument is it could be higher with a better processor?

Well yeah -- nobody said it wouldn't be. Marvel Rivals is a game with really good graphics and it's insanely fast and it came out in December of 24, and I'm using a processor from 2018.

Sure if I upgrade the performance would be better, but the game isn't struggling at all to run at fast and playable frame rates even on budget mid tier cpus from almost 9 years ago.

How is that a proof the game is unoptimized? If anything it's a proof of the opposite.

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Masungit@reddit

Mate we are going round in circles. You don’t know what you are talking about. Ofcourse I care how the game runs that’s why I want it to use all my GPU power. My point is there are certain maps that are CPU intensive that may cause your GPU usage to go down with a weak CPU. But since your target is 100 fps with frame gen you’ll never see that problem but it doesn’t mean the issue doesn’t exist.

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX2Yr61elt8

Spider Islands. I reduced all the settings and resolution to make it the most cpu bound possible.

Shit runs fine man; your shit is broken.

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Interesting_Ad_6992@reddit

You say I don't know what I'm talking about? Which part specifically?

Even at 200 without frame gen, I don't notice it either.

1% lows are incredibly high when my framerate is high, without frame generation, too. If I shut lumen off my frame rate is 130-140.

I asked you to frame your argument, please restate it... and you answered "You just don't know what you're talking about"

Which part is wrong and specifically how did I demonstrate that I don't know what I'm talking about.

Answer in good faith.

I'm still at work. When I get home I'm gonna make more videos specifically to show you that the game runs excellently and I can hit every refresh rate target I mentioned up to 400.

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Boruto_uchiha77@reddit

I’ve never had any problems with it I run a 4 tb hdd and a 6650 xt and a 5600x with 32 gbs of ddr5 Corsair vengeance ram

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Odd-Conversation-672@reddit

Weird, the game runs really well on my machine, I can think of quite a few games I've played in recent memory that are more poorly optimized than Marvel Rivals. Is it really that bad?

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ye1l@reddit

It runs "well" in that you can have a good enough experience on a decent system but the game looks pretty much like overwatch but you get literally 3-4x less FPS than in overwatch... The optimization is absolutely horrible for what it is. You should get 150-200 fps with a 1660 super and a half a decade old CPU on that game but instead you get like 60 which is on the verge of being unplayable for a fast paced competitive shooter

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bubken99@reddit

You hit the jackpot then cause it's very hit or miss with alot of frame drops and crashes during heavy team fights. If you want an easy way to climb with a decent rig just play Loki and set every setting to the minimum. You'll literally have your average player playing at 15 fps. Even on console it the game crashes enough for it to be a thought I'm your mind

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Odd-Conversation-672@reddit

Huh. I mean I do have an RTX 5080, but even on my old 3080 Ti I wasn't really struggling to run the game at all. My CPU is an older AM4 5800X3D with old DDR4 memory, too. Maybe it just runs like shit on low end hardware?

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Elitefuture@reddit

The issue I saw with a lot of my friends was lacking vram. A lot of people don't even have 8gb of vram...

Add in the fact that the average person has a GPU around a 2060, I could see it being a really hard game to run.

The 3080 ti is still a great card and a lot faster than what most people have.

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erenzil7@reddit

Yeah no

I'm playing rivals on a laptop 3050 with 4Gb. Settings low, dlss quality (1920*1200) and cap at 90fps - almost always at 90.

People struggling with performance in rivals need to disable lumen first

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cluberti@reddit

The 3080Ti was a fairly high-end video card when it launched, and was pretty equivalent (+/- 10% overall) to the 3080, 3090, 4070 Super, 4070Ti, and 5070 in benchmarks.

According to the Steam hardware survey for June 2025, the first time any of those (or better) video cards show up on the list is the 4070 Super, at #16 on the list and ~1.87% of all systems reporting, and the next times are the 3080 (#19, 1.75%) and the 4070 Ti (#25, 1.11%). Almost all of the cards in the top 25 are low end (xx50/xx60) or integrated graphics and only 7 of those 25 cards are xx70 or greater.

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/

A large percentage of people using their PC to play games are using potatoes, comparatively, to a 3080Ti or a 5080.

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Equivalent_Chipmunk@reddit

even on my old 3080 Ti

Bro that's a great card even today. It launched at like $1200, or the cost of 3 PS5s for the GPU alone. Something being a bit worse than that is not "low end hardware"

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hydrovids@reddit

Rust has entered the chat

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ThankGodImBipolar@reddit

Me when the UE5 live service game based around a several billion dollar IP and developed quickly in China isn’t a case study in exemplary game optimization

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proggen45@reddit

I will say that unoptimized games make huge use of extra v-cache and you gain pretty decent FPS with X3D CPUs.

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ExplodingFistz@reddit

Probably worth mentioning that for esports games you're using the lowest graphics settings to achieve the highest FPS possible, whereas for single player AAA you want a balance of great visuals and decent performance.

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EndlessZone123@reddit

Rivals eat CPU as well. It's hard to hit 144fps during a fight on a 5700X3D on a competitive shooter. I can always lower settings for gpu but no for cpu.

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BoreJam@reddit

Not just the game but the resolution and graphics settings too.

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AlmostASandwich@reddit

Also strategy games are a good example of cpu bottleneck most people ignore

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EVGACAB@reddit

Great answer. Knowledgeable and concise

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