Thailand attacks Cambodia with fighter jets - Now
Posted by NotDinahShore@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 160 comments
I didn’t even know the two countries were having tension. Apparently so. Escalating significantly right now.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/thailand-cambodia-border-dispute-07-24-25-intl-hnk
phovos@reddit
"Thai embassy urges citizens to leave Cambodia, warning conflict "is likely to be prolonged and may expand" Jeez, shit. Ty, op.
dreamlikey@reddit
Just wondering, who's landmine was it?
Vitvang@reddit
Russian made landmine placed by Cambodia.
angkorthom@reddit
No proof of anything! They can say what they want because their media ashtrays lying! Their king controls the country and does what he wants. No difference from a dictator!
southerndiner@reddit
Cambodia has right to defend its sovereignty. Stay in your land and you won’t step on mines.
30toMidnight@reddit
AP mentioned in one report that Thailand alleged the mines were not only of a type they don’t use, but that they were freshly laid in the ground.
veryparcel@reddit
I suspect a third party stoking tensions to progress their own agendas.
PlayNicePlayCrazy@reddit
Maybe but who really has that much interest in a conflict between these two countries? What natural resources are at stake?
bw-11@reddit
Yeah that’s the very big question everyone needs to answer if they have any idea of Thailand invading Cambodia. This war is not profitable at all!
No1_Amphibian_5649@reddit
Heroin, lots and lots of heroin
Spirited-Reputation6@reddit
So most politicians
WorldWarPee@reddit
That narrows it down to... RFK
PlayNicePlayCrazy@reddit
Forgot about that
Hekantonkheries@reddit
India or China thinking about starting their own Monroe Doctrine? Maybe Russia wanting an ally for staging south of China. Maybe Singapore is entering the endgame of their plans for world conquest.
Dr-Alec-Holland@reddit
Could be a drug organization’s land mine.
bw-11@reddit
There is no third party involved. The landmines are located around the trenches where Cambodian troops withdrew after violating Thai territory last month. They planted the mines before leaving.
jaqian@reddit
And which side of the border was it on?
therealiaom@reddit
Thailand.
jaqian@reddit
Thanks
ConcentrateOwn9885@reddit
It’s PMN-2 landmine. Thailand don’t have those.
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Further reading:
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/general/40052911
Key_Rate_3853@reddit
That is biased and unverified source though, you need to read from unbiased/international ones
Bechhy@reddit
Nation Thailand News frequently publishes biased reports that unfairly portray Cambodia, raising concerns about accuracy and impartiality in their coverage.
DieselPunkPiranha@reddit
Thanks for the info. Is there a less biased source that you recommend?
Bechhy@reddit
Logically, please watch this video first, and then you can think about it. https://youtu.be/VSpC-g70zA4?si=Iq9gRl65Qw1MGs4H
CryptoGorya@reddit
It's Russia Soviet land mine Thailand dont have this type of mine Khmer does.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
A wider conflict isn't in anyone's best interest. Short, hot conflict followed by a ceasefire and light border changes is my prediction.
Thailand is way more prepared for this, and it isn't even close. Not only do they have a more powerful military, they maintain better relations with both China and America than Cambodia does. Cambodia is too weak to engage in a long conflict, and will be forced to capitulate.
Sad state of the world that a stronger country can just bully a weaker one like this but it is how it is.
artnoi43@reddit
As a Thai calm observer, here’s my observation.
Prelude
Up until now there’s been an increase in social media racial propaganda directed at both Thai and Cambodian population especially on Facebook. It’s mostly low-quality shitposts, like those comparison memes you see in IND vs PAK videos.
It’s pretty effective for most of the populace. Even for non-shitpost propaganda, the recipe is simple, for anti-Cambodian propaganda - we’re just gonna keep saying they’re poor and ugly and butt hurt about Thailand getting ahead. For anti-Thai propaganda, the main jab is how Thailand stole everything from Cambodia - the script (alphabet), the culture, clothing, and all that.
All of this became more and more intensifying, with more reactive participants. And the fact that Facebook feed is just made to maximize exposure to shitty content like this also made the sentiment sour really quickly.
The Thai government and the military are led by rival factions. Really bitter rivals. They only recently got together to unite against overwhelming new political party.
The gov faction had cozy relations with Cambodia.
2025 border disputes and skirmishes
Recently there’s some spicy development regarding the border disputes. Civilians from both side participated in the disputes, ie by storming into disputed area, provoking border guards, etc. A local Thai general got angry on TV making nationalist statement and threats against invaders drawing enormous support.
Around a month ago the Thai PM (now ex-PM) finally personally called Cambodian leader Hun Sen to try to talk him out and assure him that the Thai gov wasn’t supporting the Thai military threats against Cambodia. Hun Sen blackmailed the Thai PM by releasing the recording, straining relations. This incident also removed said PM from office.
The Thai military wants war to legitimize themselves because the road begins to look grim for them in the next election. So does the Cambodian leader. So they escalate needless tensions at temples or sites along the disputed border to gather domestic support.
The Thai government ordered the military to stand down somehow, but that is viewed as treason by the populace, so they don’t actually order them to stand down.
The gov is facing dilemma here - if they authorize military response, the military faction will get all the credit and will harm the gov faction. But if they don’t go with the military, they will also be labeled treason by the Thai people who are super angry and want to “teach Cambodia their place”.
War?
From last month up until the last 3-4 days, there’d only been minor skirmishes. Sucker punches, screaming, etc at the border.
Tensions increased again after the Thai soldier stepped on some mine and lost his legs. His injury bought many support for military response.
Then came the breaking point - yesterday some Grad rockets did hit Thai civilian targets (including 7-11 and hospital). There were civilian casualties and deaths. Thailand responded with F16 strikes, supposedly on military targets.
That’s the best I can put together. I’m impartial in this conflict and have my news from many sources, and I’m 80% sure the Grad did hit before the F16 took to the sky.
TLDR: it’s dummy war for gathering domestic support for both sides. For the Thai airstrikes, I think Cambodia shot first. But that’s not to say I support my country.
I’m actually impartial - I love language and history, and am fascinated by both cultures. I even learned to read Cambodian.
Key_Rate_3853@reddit
I really appreciate your honest input. As a Cambodian, I feel like the current tension comes from the moment the Thai ex-PM asked us to ignore threats from their military. It puts us in a really difficult position. I understand Thailand is dealing with internal instability, but why Cambodia is drawn into it or expected to just overlook potential threats?
Especially when there are signs that certain elements within the Thai military may be pushing for conflict to legitimize their power, or even trying to “teach Cambodia a lesson.” That’s incredibly dangerous and shows very little regard for human lives on either side.
I honestly couldn’t care less about the whole “who owns what” debate — that’s not my focus. What really bothers me is how we’re being pulled into something that isn’t ours to begin with. We’re our own country, and it’s just not right to be caught up in another nation’s internal instability.
artnoi43@reddit
Hi my Cambodian friend. Glad you replied.
Now, instead of blaming one side (in your case, Thailand) I think it would be wiser to blame the leaders of both countries instead, although by Thai leaders I mean the military. And tbh, none of the 2 countries was just “minding their own business”. We you and me may be doing just that, but not our angry countrymen and leaders who made increasingly serious provocations one after the other.
The leaders have been playing us against each other for quite some time. They could only go to war because most of our countrymen are supporting the violence due to their hate of each other. Nationwide civilian support on both sides is the only reason they could pull it off.
I remember seeing these propaganda videos and memes from both countries as soon as Facebook started showing “trendy” stuff on my home feed out of nowhere, ie from pages/people you don’t follow (I think 2015-16). So the propaganda effort has likely already existed before I first saw it.
This social media feature only added fuel to the dumpster fire, as now more and more people are constantly getting brainwashed in digital echo chambers with short format videos all day long in different alternate realities that value emotional engagement more than truth.
Right now Thais hate Cambodians so much that they won’t even admit their “Sak Yant” is written in Khmer script and art, or that their name is Khmer-Sansakrit mixup with no trace of Tai.
The brainwashing is the reason I think we should blame both leaders and not just 1 side. So I think it’s best that we each criticize our own country for our fair share of contribution. For example, I could blame Thailand for setting up unauthorized barricade in disputed areas for provocations, while you could also blame Hun Sen for something.
My turn (Me blaming the Thai military): Thai military had been unpopular for some time now especially for those currently under 35. This is in part due to the whole pop culture unambiguously decided in around 2018-19 that hating the conservative elements in Thailand is cool (like owning a Labubu 2 months ago). So every young person decided to hate the right and the Thai k, even though these people general aren’t interested in politics.
The Thai right, who had largely withdrawn from politics for some time due to their loss of face, has also beginning to make a come back by coming out and post more nationalist,monarchist, militaristic shit in support of the Thai military.
But now as whacking Cambodia becomes our national priority, those “swing” populations happily handed the spotlight to the military, who’s being delivered the perfect excuse to go out and aura farm with real, expensive equipment without any real risks from your armed forces or our own population backlash. It’s free PR. And now those Thai soldiers filming at the front for their “professionalism” have become mini-influencers in their own right, which makes it worse.
Now, not to defend my ex PM since she’s my political opponent, but she calling the other leader directly is super understandable (nations actually do it), and that call, as heard in the recording, had the intention of pacifying our region and avoiding conflict, not ignite a new one. Then the call was leaked, weakening the ex PM’s stance (who’s pacifist in this mess). This made Thais very angry at the ex PM, and they gave spotlight and green light for the Thai military to act.
Your turn: blame something from your side. If I were you I’d pick Hun Sen blackmailing/leaking the call, because it took the least amount of effort to prevent it from ever happening. Hun Sen knows our establishment very well (he harbored Thaksin). His every cell knows for a fact that the moment he leaks the call, the PM will fall and his country will have to deal with the Thai military directly. You can’t make your population numbering in the millions un-hate their neighbors, that’s very hard. But you can very easily not blackmail or leak calls and just talk. It’s as if he wanted to guarantee armed conflict. Or escalate the dispute.
This is why I think our leaders manufactured the conflict - for their own personal political gain.
Key_Rate_3853@reddit
Oh how I wish our people from both side could be more open to honest dialogue, instead of blindly believing the propaganda we’ve all been taught. If we could truly listen to each other, without immediately jumping in to defend our own side, peace would be so much easier to achieve and maintain.
From my perspective, I think Cambodia want acknowledgment and respect, particularly for being recognized and credited for the language and culture. Honestly, that’s understandable, everyone wants to be credited for their heritage. And when we don’t receive the credit and recognition there comes disappointment. and honestly, most of us don’t truly feel hatred; it’s more about feeling hurt and unappreciated. However, considering how much we share, fixating too much on who owns what seems unnecessary. That’s just my personal view regarding my country.
Could you share your thoughts on what the key factors that might have caused Thailand’s hatred toward Cambodia? Also, I’m curious about the education system. To be blunt, from your speculation is education on history mostly one-sided or nationalistic?
artnoi43@reddit
I’m writing from my observations. It might or might not offend Thais or Cambodians, try to read it without attachment.
I think the main reason we don’t appreciate your influence is because we Thais in general are very oblivious about history, and because there’s little positive interaction with a Cambodian in their lives. Most of the life experiences they have with Cambodians tend to be remote, indirect, or negative.
In Thai school books there’re 3 main foreigner nations in Thai history (note that the tone is from the book or how the teacher taught me):
The Khmer. Our original Indianised overlord who we outgrew and laid waste to. We adopt their court language and their writing. (But the books never mention other cultural expect like clothing, court dance, etc). We agreed you were more Indianised (more cultured back then) and powerful. We later outgrew and directly caused your decline, before finally laid waste to Angkor once and for all, giving rise to new Tai kingdoms (here I use Tai and Thai)
the Burmese, who’re also late comers like us. Our contemporary expansion led to Burmese being branded our rival/nemesis. They burned our cities, looted our gold, raped our princesses, and took Lan Na (Chiang Mai and northern Thailand) for centuries. We also did the same to them. And our Naresuan the Great killed their King/Crown Prince or whatever on elephant back, which nobody thinks is real except Thais.
the Farangs, ie Europeans who were traders, missionaries and good friends with Thai kings until they weren’t and turned bully. Still, we managed. This is usually followed with our “aNd wE arE tHE oLnY ASEAN nATion thAt’s neVEr coLonized” mantra. Today we are good friends, but we also cheat on them with the Chinese in the backdoor.
In school I was only taught you guys were dominant here with all the inidian writing and religion, and that we were primitive, ruled over, but started building up behind tour back until we kicked you out.
Now you might ask: why only hate Cambodians and not those from Myanmar, the literal enemy? The answer is simple: many labor workers here come from Myanmar, and they make good living here, and many people back in Myanmar depend on these remittances from Thailand. My home’s also got a Karen maid from the Karen State in Myanmar and she likes it here, loves our dogs, etc.
Right now we view Myanmar as a new country carved out from British India and made out of all those western/northern periphery Tai, Mon, Shan, and Bamar states. It’s a new multi-ethnic country that’s figuring itself out.
Also, Myanmar is fighting its own civil war, so the propaganda efforts from gov and rebels are not gonna target Thailand and Thai people. Thai people also have no reasons to hate our workers and helpers. We also understand that Myanmar is a country of multiple ethnic groups, not “Bamar” of old. So the Burmese kind of stopped being treated like enemies and more like needed workers and helpers who’re very industrious.
Cambodia is another story - yes it’s new and carved out of French Indochina, but it’s also very homogeneous, more so than any of our neighbors. I believe 95% of your population is Khmer. And because we don’t have as many Khmer workers, we don’t get enough interaction together that could foster bonds the way we do with workers from Myanmar. This, coupled with weird Thai superiority complex against neighbors, the ongoing call center problems, mixed with Cambodian memes mocking how Siem stole everything day and night, and our own memes bullying Cambodia, make a nice recipe to instill hate into my countrymen.
That’s why Thais seem to hate Cambodians. And why don’t we appreciate your influence enough? I think the smarter ones in Thai society do, like my professors who understand perfectly how cultures develop. The mass is not gonna listen.
Also, this is my own judgement, but I think Cambodians taking credit for everything when it was India who introduced writing and all the ancient “high culture” in the first place is why some of the more “smarter” Thais also choose not to recognize your contribution to our culture.
Last but not least, and this sounds very stupid. As you know people around here has soft spot for fair skinned good looking people, which Cambodia is lacking compared to all other neighbors. I see low-quality horny posts for rural Myanmar girls and hot Laos and Vietnamese all the time, but never once Cambodian. The idea that Cambodians are the ugliest is very central to Thai bullying of Cambodians (yeah I know this sounds stupid af). Even the Thais at the border is being bullied for having too little Chinese fair skin admixture compared to those living in cities or close to Laos/Myanmar where people skins are lighter. We are the same race yet we still use skin color to categorize people.
To fix this we must encourage positive interaction/learning between our nations. Like educating Thai people about how cultures developed, how Khmer guided development of our own statehood, and how “adopting Khmer culture” does not make Thais the lesser party or Cambodians better, etc.
I’m doing my part by learning Cambodian script so that I can point out the similarities to Thai script when I get the chance. I could read Khmer version of Koh Kood - เกาะกูด in Thai, and show that to my Thai friends saying “see, even you can read Koh Kood in Khmer script, that’s because it’s our original script!” Or point out how Thai numbers are just Khmer numbers, and our loan words, etc. I even try to read my friend’s Sak Yant mantra, but I’m not that good just yet.
This has the effect that all of my friends in my active circle don’t share the same hate toward Cambodians, and they understand your legacy. There’re around 12-14 of them right now, tho I’ll try 😅
SadDonkey3232@reddit
How is Thailand the bully in all of this? I liked your response, and would like to understand the last part.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I should specify. My gut says they are the bully. At this point, both sides say the other one started it.
Cambodia's claim strikes me as more credible. There have been reports that Thailand was amassing troops at the disputed zone, and Thailand's claim that a few lightly armed soldiers entered the disputed zone feels incredulous.
On top of that, Thailand is in a much stronger position, and may be attempting to distract from recent domestic controversies with its prime minister.
It really remains to be seen though. I'm sure that whichever side the western media chooses to align with will be given a realistic, believable casus belli.
Additional-One-2782@reddit
Saying that Thailand is the bully sounds like making a judgment without having the correct and complete information.
The dispute between Thailand and Cambodia has been ongoing for a long time, rooted in historical border demarcation issues that date back to colonial times. Until today, Cambodia continues to raise these territorial claims.
I won’t touch on the Preah Vihear issue since that’s already been settled (you can look up more details on that), but here’s the current situation in a concise yet deeper sense, the popularity of the current leader the son of the former prime minister is declining. Since the Hun family is practically the only wealthy family in the country, they’re now trying to win back public support by making a show of claiming Ta Mueang Thom temple as Cambodian territory, even though the official maps clearly mark it on the Thai side.
This has escalated into a serious dispute. The trigger was Cambodian soldiers secretly laying landmines on Thai soil despite both countries signing the Ottawa Treaty agreeing not to use such measures. Thailand then closed off the area, and Cambodia responded by starting hostilities. (You can find the detailed timeline on Google.) During this time, Cambodia has been pushing the narrative that “Thailand fired first” an internal propaganda strategy that had already been prepared. Thailand responded by asserting that Cambodia fired first, and later, evidence from academic researchers and satellite imagery revealed that Cambodia indeed made the initial move and had prepared for it in advance.
There are many more details, but the main point is: just because Thailand holds a stronger position doesn’t mean Thailand is a bully.
Gau_Gau@reddit
Are you from the SEA region? I would say Cambodia deserve it because they allow Chinese triad run free in their country, which practically turn them into a mafia state now. There are literally thousands people from other countries have been kidnapped or tricked into slave labour in the Scambodia call centers. And then there are literally thousands of people have been scammed with the amount could go up to 200k USD, while our monthly wage is like 300 - 400 USD.
SadDonkey3232@reddit
I been following this for a while. But I am aware my limit is to what I can find online and see by the news. But, Cambodia wants some land back that Thailand claims has been theirs. It’s not the 1st time an issue like this goes on. I think Thailand has lost some land in the past due to some judgement. Yet, I find my self in a position that I find it hard to accept for a country to attack and get mad when the other attacks back because they may be bigger. In all reality, Thailand has had a political mess since the start of this. But also, I see this like when every few years my buddies neighbor attempts to expand his lot territory a few feet by claiming it his for years. Idk, I just don’t have have all the facts for this one.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I don't have all the facts either. I am lightly educated on this, and 100% open to changing my opinion. Purely operating on gut instinct and surface level facts.
We will see how it all turns out though.
RegorHK@reddit
Honestly, if its just your gut, why even put out such speculations.
At least you might have been honest and stated that this is speculative from the get go.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
You know, I don't feel bad about that comment. I think it is a reasonable perspective, gut instinct or not, given that half of the belligerents agree with it.
RegorHK@reddit
How you feel about your dishonesty is your personal moral issue.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I dont think it is dishonest.
RegorHK@reddit
My gut says it is.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I think it is reasonable for your gut to say I'm wrong but not reasonable for you to say your gut says I'm dishonest.
Gorbado@reddit
Sharing an opinion isn’t dishonest dude, just say you’re looking to argue and move on lol
nabbitnabbitnabbit@reddit
I wrote this above, and urge you to read more!
It is Cambodian land, according to the ICJ. Thailand claim it as theirs and have ignored an ICJ ruling from 1962, further reinforced in 2013.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932013_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_border_crisis
Thailand claim the natural watershed map, the Cambodians use a published map from 1907. The ICJ ruled in favour of Cambodia, based on Thailand’s (then Siam’s) longtime acceptance of the map. In fact, the Siamese Minister of the Interior, Prince Damrong, officially thanked the French minister in Bangkok for the maps and requested more for provincial distribution. Thailand uses the maps without protest for decades. Indeed, for 50 years, Thailand sought permission from Cambodia to visit the now-contested temples.
I can’t find any data showing that Thailand registered disagreements before the 1950s.
The Cambodians want it take it back to the international community, Thailand will refuse all findings. They have been clear that the only option is for Cambodia to hand over the disputed lands, which will never happen because international arbitration has consistently ruled in favour of Cambodia.
"It was clear from the record, however, that the maps were communicated to the Siamese Government as purporting to represent the outcome of the work of delimitation; since there was no reaction on the part of the Siamese authorities, either then or for many years, they must be held to have acquiesced. The maps were moreover communicated to the Siamese members of the Mixed Commission, who said nothing, to the Siamese Minister of the Interior, Prince Damrong, who thanked the French Minister in Bangkok for them, and to the Siamese provincial governors, some of whom knew of Preah Vihear. If the Siamese authorities accepted the Annex I map without investigation, they could not now plead any error vitiating the reality of their consent.
The Siamese Government and later the Thai Government had raised no query about the Annex I map prior to its negotiations with Cambodia in Bangkok in 1958. But in 1934–1935, a survey had established a divergence between the map line and the true line of the watershed, and other maps had been produced showing the Temple as being in Thailand. Thailand had nevertheless continued to also use and indeed to publish maps showing Preah Vihear as lying in Cambodia. Moreover, in the course of the negotiations for the 1925 and 1937 Franco-Siamese Treaties, which confirmed the existing frontiers, and in 1947 in Washington before the Franco-Siamese Conciliation Commission, Thailand was silent. The natural inference was that Thailand had accepted the frontier at Preah Vihear as it was drawn on the map, irrespective of its correspondence with the watershed line.”
SadDonkey3232@reddit
I am on the same page. Thanks for the reply.
nabbitnabbitnabbit@reddit
It is Cambodian land, according to the ICJ. Thailand claim it as theirs and have ignored an ICJ ruling from 1962, further reinforced in 2013.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932013_Cambodian%E2%80%93Thai_border_crisis
Thailand claim the natural watershed map, the Cambodians use a published map from 1907. The ICJ ruled in favour of Cambodia, based on Thailand’s (then Siam’s) longtime acceptance of the map. In fact, the Siamese Minister of the Interior, Prince Damrong, officially thanked the French minister in Bangkok for the maps and requested more for provincial distribution. Thailand uses the maps without protest for decades. Indeed, for 50 years, Thailand sought permission from Cambodia to visit the now-contested temples.
I can’t find any data showing that Thailand registered disagreements before the 1950s.
The Cambodians want it take it back to the international community, Thailand will refuse all findings. They have been clear that the only option is for Cambodia to hand over the disputed lands, which will never happen because international arbitration has consistently ruled in favour of Cambodia.
"It was clear from the record, however, that the maps were communicated to the Siamese Government as purporting to represent the outcome of the work of delimitation; since there was no reaction on the part of the Siamese authorities, either then or for many years, they must be held to have acquiesced. The maps were moreover communicated to the Siamese members of the Mixed Commission, who said nothing, to the Siamese Minister of the Interior, Prince Damrong, who thanked the French Minister in Bangkok for them, and to the Siamese provincial governors, some of whom knew of Preah Vihear. If the Siamese authorities accepted the Annex I map without investigation, they could not now plead any error vitiating the reality of their consent.
The Siamese Government and later the Thai Government had raised no query about the Annex I map prior to its negotiations with Cambodia in Bangkok in 1958. But in 1934–1935, a survey had established a divergence between the map line and the true line of the watershed, and other maps had been produced showing the Temple as being in Thailand. Thailand had nevertheless continued to also use and indeed to publish maps showing Preah Vihear as lying in Cambodia. Moreover, in the course of the negotiations for the 1925 and 1937 Franco-Siamese Treaties, which confirmed the existing frontiers, and in 1947 in Washington before the Franco-Siamese Conciliation Commission, Thailand was silent. The natural inference was that Thailand had accepted the frontier at Preah Vihear as it was drawn on the map, irrespective of its correspondence with the watershed line.”
SadDonkey3232@reddit
I think Denmark and Canada been both claiming an island. Neither has attacked the other and they are still good allies.
If the land is or is not, I really do not know since I seen a different article saying Thailand had already given the land back to Cambodia due to its support by France in ICJ.
But, land is currently occupied by Thailand, it’s pretty aggressive to attack. Also, look at the islands Russia occupies from Japan. The whole world knows they are Japanese but you don’t see them attacking Russia. Not saying doing the right thing is easy, just saying that in this situation Cambodia seems like the agresor.
nabbitnabbitnabbit@reddit
1) The Canadian / Denmark dispute was over an unoccupied island. They split it in half in 2022.
2) It is absolutely not the case in the Russian / Japanese dispute. The world does not recognise this.
3) Did you read the link? This would clear things up for you.
4) The ICJ ruled this as Cambodian land. The is a fact. Thailand disagrees, but the rest of the world and ASEA default to international rulings. ASEA hasn’t taken sides, but respects the ICJ rulings.
5) If Cambodia attacked civilians, that is an unforgivable escalation.
6) Both sides accuse the other of being the aggressor. This is the fog of war, and I’m waiting for a factual assessment before appropriating blame.
7) Comparing an uninhabited island dispute to a contested land border is silly because land borders inherently involve more complex issues like population centres, resources, and direct national security.
MotherEarth1919@reddit
This was a problem because both countries were jointly applying for World Heritage status for the temple. The governing body for the World Heritage Foundation required that the border be resolved before making it a WH site. They went ahead and gave it to Cambodia without agreement of the Thai government which caused the conflict. This was back around 2007-8. The temple sits on a cliff, land adjacent to it is Thai. The land below the cliff is Cambodian. Their access to the temple was by helicopter while Thailand owns the roads that access the temple. The World Heritage Foundation is ultimately responsible for this conflict. I was there in 2008 visiting my daughter who was doing a Rotary foreign exchange 10 miles from the conflict zone. We were able to get close to the temple and view it from binoculars during a time of de-escalation in 2008. There were Thai troops on site on our side, there are local families farming nearby, but I between where we were and the temple are known land mines and it was a no-go zone.
zaevilbunny38@reddit
Cambodia, has regular artillery 122mm and 152mm. But they choose to use a Grad, whose Knick name is grid killer, cause its rockets will fall anywhere within a square kilometer. They used this on civilian targets, instead of using more precise artillery on military with the better range.
InternationalLying@reddit
You should look at Cambodian history. They have a tendency to start wars with bigger opponents and get trounced.
In this conflict, it's unclear who shot first but a Thai and Cambodian patrol encountered each other and a Cambodian was killed. The Cambodian patrol was within the Thai-side of the disputed area, whether intentional or not. Cambodia then sent troops to plus up the border, Thailand responded in kind.
Then there was a political imbroglio that led to Thailand's PM being suspended. Then Cambodia started clandestinely planting mines on the Thai side of the border. (Cambodian army even posted a video of one of their soldiers carrying a Soviet-era mine up to the border before deleting the video.) The second Thai soldier losing a leg to a mine a couple days ago led to Thailand recalling their ambassador to Cambodia.
Today, Cambodia is very likely to have attacked first based on timing and locations. Cambodia claims a patrol fired back in self-defense but, Cambodia then launched simultaneous attacks all along the border. Most likely is that they were in the process of launching these attacks and one unit was encountered early. Cambodia were also the first to use heavy weapons (BM-21s) and fired them indiscriminately, killing 11 civilians so far according to Thai news.
Thailand is not the bully, just how Vietnam was not the bully when Cambodia started, and lost, their previous conflict. Cambodia will lose this one as well and few on the international stage will do much to help them.
nabbitnabbitnabbit@reddit
The international stage recognises this land as Cambo.
InternationalLying@reddit
I think you're replying to the wrong guy. I didn't block you.
nabbitnabbitnabbit@reddit
How amusing, you've unblocked me. 🤣
My alt confirmed you blocked me the moment I presented an inconvenient fact. Clearly, you were embarrassed and tried to save face. Don't worry, I'll returned the favour. I only engage with honest people.
SadDonkey3232@reddit
Thanks for this insight. I got friends on both sides and they both just hate on each other.
usmcnick0311Sgt@reddit
Cambodia is littered with unexploded ordinances and landmines from the Vietnam war era. Ordinances that were put in place by other countries such as America.
flamehead2k1@reddit
That doesn't explain why Thailand is the bully in this at all
BlockedForPeace@reddit
Why Thailand bullying Cambodia? Because combodie including their leaders claiming Thai traditional clothes, food, everything Thailand has ( including Lisa blackpink)
Ember_Roots@reddit
Using jets is major escalation.
RegorHK@reddit
Was that after or before the shelling by Cambodia?
-Thizza-@reddit
Well, the title makes Thailand the aggressor.
thegoathasmygoat@reddit
I'm not exactly privy to the details of their disputed border but if you go to Thailands Military page on Wikipedia and then over to Cambodias page, you'll see why. It's like The Mountain vs a toddler.
burgercleaner@reddit
same way russia, israel, and the US are bullies
Ok_Traffic_8124@reddit
Thailand is massive compared to Cambodia. The fact they’re using Fighter Jets as a response to a random land mine is all we need to know.
CreampieMyNaziCunt@reddit
nah, the fighter jets were responding to the BM-21s which cambodia fired into the civilian area prior. they landed on places like a 7-11, a gas station, a hospital, and houses resulting in 9 confirmed thai civilian deaths as of now.
Ok_Traffic_8124@reddit
That is far more reasonable then.
FrogginJellyfish@reddit
I'm Thai, and from our news, Jet Fighters were issued in response to Cambodia launching artillery shelling into civilians infrastructure; 7-11, gas station, hospital, etc. 11 Thai civilian deaths now I think.
Ok_Traffic_8124@reddit
That would be more reasonable to respond to with heavy fire like jets.
Eggersely@reddit
Because they instigated the conflict and sent F-16s in?
FullyUndug@reddit
This is the dangerous precedent set by the actions of Russia and America and, though not a super power, Israel. Plain and simple. Surprisingly, China is the only super power that's shown any kind of restraint. They are running supply lines and mercenaries to different areas, but that's not really different than what they were doing before all this, right?
Curious-Donut5744@reddit
I’m not sure the blame can be placed squarely on the precedent set by the US and Russia. Cambodia and their neighbors were engaging in this type of behavior throughout the 20th century. Hell, fear of a renewed Vietnamese invasion and occupation was one of the many reasons for the Khmer Rouge’s rise to power, and we all know how that went for what, 50 years?
single_use_12345@reddit
whoudn't a wider conflict would benefit China that doesn't want strong neighbors ?
fortevn@reddit
I don't know about that. It's like saying a Mafia family would benefit from a conflict between high schoolers. China is way beyond the scope of SEA, they'd like us to be cool and obediently depending on them. CN has been trying to build some big things in Cambodia (iirc a canal project), a war doesn't help whatsoever.
single_use_12345@reddit
well, now it will sell some weapons, food, medicine, and make reconstructions in the end + that canal
Joshistotle@reddit
Is this a US-China proxy conflict? Or do these two countries have deep seated issues with each other?
bw-11@reddit
It’s nothing to do with US or China. As Thailand keeps denying any third party to be involved, so there will never be proxy war around here.
AsterKando@reddit
No, this conflict is rooted in colonial-era border dispute.
Nobody really wins exploiting this conflict as I understand it. There’s no way to spin this by the US to make it anti-China. Thailand is neutral and Cambodia is far closer to China than the US. If anything, I imagine China will try hard to host talks and help settle the conflict for diplomatic cred.
Aside from nationalists on either side, no outside player benefits from this conflict at all. Times are tough and South East Asia had an amazing 2 decade run. We don’t want violence.
bw-11@reddit
FYI, it’s Cambodia is shooting their thousands of cold war BM-21 rockets randomly at Thailand civilian targets, since the rockets don’t have the ability to aim and they don’t give a shit. And Thailand is doing the air strikes to Cambodian military targets to prevent the random shooting. Cambodia doesn’t have any fighter jets or guided missiles.
PeanutFragrant9685@reddit
not the ladyboys please
Grand_Umpire_1556@reddit
So lady boys vs cyber slave?
BKMagicWut@reddit
Its almost of these wars are spreading all over the world.
Tea_Sea_Eye_Pee@reddit
It's said that War, Famine and Disease go together.
The COVID pandemic was the disease. We have an outbreak of WARs. There also been crop and food shortages lately. That's the FAMINE.
So, yeah, seems to ring true.
FullOnBeliever@reddit
World Cold War 2 or DUBDUB TRES?!
Roboticpoultry@reddit
So far it seems like the former, but how long until it becomes the latter?
yLie2018@reddit
I’m dead tired, boss.
Look_a_LembV2@reddit
I’m tired, boss.
SnooOranges4560@reddit
Jesus Christ will save all who believe in him. God will not leave you or forsake you. Believe in Jesus
Defiant_Pay_1765@reddit
If we learn Jesus was notvwhat we've been taught, but a non-human intellligence or human "alien" hybrid it'd make a lot of sense if you read the bible
kezfertotlenito@reddit
unsubscribe
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bilgetea@reddit
good bot
NorthernPassion2378@reddit
I wish I could believe. With the current (and past) state of things, I find it irrepairably difficult.
Blessed those who can, including yourself.
SnooOranges4560@reddit
You can. God has given you faith. it's between you and him. Do not fear. I was afraid that God wouldn't want someone like me. I felt that turning to him would be pointless and he met me there and assured me of his love for me. He is already waiting for you.
kick10@reddit
Has he given me faith if I don't have it? I don't have faith in humanity, I think people make terrible choices whether they follow " God's path" or not. God is waiting for me just like we're all waiting for God. If he is the powerful creator that y'all claim him to be, he's a sadistic piece of shit whom I have no respect for. How can you worship the one who has necessitated us to experience all of this pain and suffering? If that is my "God", then I'm ashamed of my creator and the world he has created
SnooOranges4560@reddit
I can worship him because even when i thought in a way similar to how you describe and even when everyone I loved left me, Jesus Christ was there for me. Even when I thought God wouldn't be there for me, he was. I would be dead a couple times at least by now if God hadn't saved my life. From car crashes and from ingesting poisonous plants and drugs.
Opposite-Program8490@reddit
Mental illness is a hell of a drug.
kick10@reddit
Wouldn't God have also put you in all of those situations too? If you died, that's his plan and you were just stupid enough to go along with it, right? So if someone carries out a terror attack, that's his plan too? What about spreading hate? He controls that too. Just as much as God was " there for you" he was also the one hurting you. I'm not some Stockholm syndrome bitch who is gonna beg for daddy to be nice.
kick10@reddit
Ok, sure. Those were your choices and decisions though. You did that. You can attribute it to a higher power all you want, but the ability to do those things were there, you just didn't have the knowledge/motivation/whatever you felt you needed. Biology is crazy, learn about it instead of attributing things to mysticism. Search for evidence. If you don't find much, look elsewhere.
Future_Cake@reddit
"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." - Jesus, in John 16:33
That part was prophesied too, fam. Leave the door open a bit -- the worse it gets here the better that hope feels!
kick10@reddit
"I'm gonna make things hard for you, and you're gonna fuckin like it because I told you to." Seems a little abusive, huh? Doesn't sound like someone I would respect.
syynapt1k@reddit
Lmao
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
'God', at least as portrayed, has the capability of stopping all this shit. He has the capability of telling people to stop doing evil shit in his name. Yet he does Fuck and All.
NorthernPassion2378@reddit
I know. I tried to rationalize it all before. At this point, I don't bother engaging in religious or philosophical debate anymore, regardless of what the answer is. No matter what argument wins, the world is still a mess.
I only try to leave this place a little better than I found it, and that's it. Anything else, I find it pointless.
fruderduck@reddit
So tired of these end of days. Black Hole Sun
Femveratu@reddit
WORD
SnooOranges4560@reddit
Jesus Christ is the way. Believe and follow him. He loves you and will keep you even in these days
PrepperIntel-ModTeam@reddit
Mods determined your post is outside what we're looking for on r/PrepperIntel,
DLC_Whomdini@reddit
A lot of the people in the middle of terrible crises believe in and follow him.
-Calm_Skin-@reddit
The “christian’s” in my country would more likely promote the incarceration and forced labor of the second coming than welcome. I will follow the precept of “you will know them by their fruits” and stay the fuck away from ya’ll.
J0E_Blow@reddit
"Republican Jesus"
snarky_witch@reddit
Just like he kept the guy who got his leg blown off?
WorldWarPee@reddit
That was all part of his plan, my child. Golden rule is for loosers, Jesus has returned and this time he's here to be a giant douche
StuartShlongbottom@reddit
Mods, can we boot this guy / bot? We don't need evangelism in a fact-based subreddit
Past_Lifeguard8349@reddit
I AM NOT A KEPT MAN
trefoil589@reddit
trefoil589@reddit
But the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real.
Wade_Castiglione@reddit
Yes, he's definitely helping me through these tough times right now.... All those Republican Christians in office just voted to take away free lunch for kids (how Christian! Taking food from children to boost tax revenue!) so maybe my imaginary friend bingbong can help more since he's just as real...
Seriously though, if Jesus showed up at the southern border today preaching about loving your neighbor and feeding starving kids, "christians" would be calling him a socialist illegal who deserves human rights violations because "he committed a CriME(!) by crossing the border!" And I don't think I'm all that far off, based on conversations I've had with "christians" about treating foreigners in your land as if they were your neighbor per... Um Issac (? I'm not so good without an actual Bible in front of me so I'm sure someone knows the actual verse) and their go to response is always something along the lines of "you need to put that into context for the time... And there's this other line that says you're supposed to follow all laws from the government and clearly that's the more important thing to follow..." 🙄🤡 It's exhausting. Jesus isn't helping anyone right now. If he's helping you "keep even" then that's you talking to your imaginary friend and working through your issues... If you think Jesus is actually responding to you, I suggest you seek mental health resources as you're probably delusional and suffering from hallucinations.
"god bless"
BillyDeCarlo@reddit
Consider that this life might be hard intentionally because this realm is a test. It's not supposed to be perfect, that comes after if you earn your way. And I think it's why God does not intervene to stop tragedy.
Wade_Castiglione@reddit
Well, a lot of folks flunked then considering who's running America and how vehemently most christians supported someone who goes against all their values and beliefs. If Christians wanted to show me that they were serious about their religion they'd show me with their actions by convincing their congregation it's their moral duty to protect and shelter those currently being persecuted instead of smiling with glee while they take selfies next to the "alligator Alcatraz" sign in Florida...🙄
We need another Martin Luther King Jr to step up and start getting religious folks to see how backwards it is for them to support the current administration in any capacity since they will eventually come for the religious institutions, it's only a matter of time.
jus10beare@reddit
Prove it
fruderduck@reddit
Black Hole Sun
Religion has caused more deaths than anything else - until possibly now.
SnooOranges4560@reddit
People caused those deaths. God gives us life and truth. If anyone is a murderer they are not of God.
QHCprints@reddit
Oh honey, bless your heart.
fruderduck@reddit
Send your wishes and advice to Trump.
SquirrelyMcNutz@reddit
Nah fam, it's been calculated that there's been over 100 billion humans that have existed on this planet since we became H. sapiens (I think, not sure if they are counting the pre-H. sapiens variants in that number). This is little more than 8 billion.
We got a long way to go to match that psychopath's numbers. /s
syynapt1k@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
melympia@reddit
This is r/prepperintel, not r/proselytizing. Please take your proselytizing where it belongs.
OldSnuffy@reddit
I just spoke to my younger brother who is about 60 klicks from where they are shooting, He describes it as a bunch of 18-19 year-olds who started swinging their dicks at each other....and now the adults have to figure out how to walk it back because the Thai armed forces are equipped by ( and tight with) the USA...And this is well known to the Cambodian .gov
Femveratu@reddit
I am 100% speculating, but my guess is that either Russia, Iran, or the U.S. is somehow involved in wherever issues led up to the tensions.
Just too convenient when so many parties benefit from attention being siphoned off from one or another great power.
I mean this, Syria, Pakistan v India, decapitation actions against Iran, it’s just crazy that it’s all popping off in succession.
KardLARN2642@reddit
another day, another war...
boksinx@reddit
We dont need this kind of shit specially in SEA, where everything is hanging by a thread and China can more easily swoop in consolidating their interest in the region amid the chaos.
GlossyCylinder@reddit
Redditors think sea countries are somehow united against china when in reality they all have border disputes with each other and their biggest trade partners are also china.
If anything ASEAN and China is reaching a new level of relationship. Redditors are just out of touch with reality
gentlespringrain@reddit
yeah regional tensions usually have a priority
mr_misanthropic_bear@reddit
Does ASEAN mediate armed conflict?
gentlespringrain@reddit
never, it's strictly an economic alliance
MediocreBag1195@reddit
Tell that to that jerk Hun Sen
Early_Turn9022@reddit
Agreed, but they fire missile on a hospital and civilians home, and fire at our soldier first. We need to protect ourselves
SeaworthinessOk2989@reddit
This is what happens when the USA has weak leadership.
Cruezin@reddit
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
Pol Pot
And it's a holiday in Cambodia
NomadHomad@reddit
”No New Wars”
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I feel like the implication was no new wars, involving the US.
The US can't, and shouldn't, police every international border. Neither country is totally aligned with America. Thailand is closer to America than Cambodia, but also closer to China.
QHCprints@reddit
Right? I hate the orange man as much as any democracy loving American should but no POTUS can control what every country in the world does.
NomadHomad@reddit
He campaigned on “New War Wars” and being the “President of Peace” You people love smelling your own farts.
No_Sugar8791@reddit
Does that include Canada, Mexico, Panama and Denmark?
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Didn't realise the US was at war with any of them
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
Didn't any read the briefs? It's all proxy wars that will consume the little nation states while the superpowers pull the strings on their home continents. Soon africa, east asia, south america and european eastern blocks will be sporadic little bonfires. If they haven't already.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Who's the proxy for who in this war?
Shipkiller-in-theory@reddit
Maybe Thailand wants back on the TAA compliant nations list.
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
Who stands to gain if there's turmoil in south east asia vs if it was a stable region?
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
I don't think either the US or China will. Perhaps slightly the US since this is close to China but Vietnam and Laos are both between Cambodia and China.
SpaceMonkey_321@reddit
It's def the US. Our policy has always been starting a dumpster fire in the enemy's backyard. Given how unstable the current Thai political situation is and also how easily manipulated Hun Sen has always been, this little shitshot keeps ASEAN and China off balance in the interim.
altiorrex@reddit
Obviously Ukraine is a proxy for south Korea for weaken the north Korean proxy of muscovy aka rus fed. Look at how dependent they are on artillery with a 40% fail rate!
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Wrong war mate
altiorrex@reddit
I thought we were just labeling the general proxy wars. Arguably its actually Finland that uses ukraine as a proxy as a start the Hyper Finno-Korean War of 1200 BCE.
Then there's everything going on in sudan/south Sudan plus Eritrea and its neighbors. Plus a few more conflicts on that continent.
Broad-Survey1461@reddit
Didn’t we just give a bunch of weapons to Thailand?!
mathiustus@reddit
Feels like something that would be getting blamed on Biden right now if he was still in office. Wonder if Trump will claim responsibility for allowing this to occur.
haebyungdae@reddit
Yeah Thailand and Cambodia don’t get along well due to their border dispute issue. Been going on a decent amount of time.