Tulsi Gabbard speaks on Russia Hoax from the White House

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I consider myself an independent and obviously it says something about Trump that he didn't release more Epstein files. It also says a lot that previous Democratic presidents also did not. Pretty hypocritical of the Dem Party finding it so important right now that Epstein must come out. Seems both have their reasons to avoid doing so. Doesn't mean debunking this Russia-gate non-sense isn't a big deal as well.

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watching_whatever@reddit

Of course as Bill Clinton unlike Trump flew in the Epstein plane. Trump did not go to the island either.

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Cryptoking300@reddit

Wtf are you talking about? Trump flew on the Lolita express at least seven times, and supposedly even slept with Melania for the first time on it. Epstein was at their wedding. I think Clinton is guilty, but unlike Trump he doesn’t have several Epstein victims that have accused him of being a pedophile. Trump is undoubtedly guilty.

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ADong_AMong_@reddit

Billy Bob is definitely guilty. Killary proved it to us by helping another business associate “Commit Suicide”

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Cryptoking300@reddit

If he is he should be prosecuted, but the evidence against him pales in comparison to what we know about Trump.

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ADong_AMong_@reddit

Not being political. They all should be castrated and killed for indenturing and raping children.

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watching_whatever@reddit

Check out what all the rich highly sort after youngish bachelors did 35 to 40 years ago then report your findings.

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Cryptoking300@reddit

Is that a justification? If ANYONE was involved in Epstein’s pederasty they should be held accountable. In Trumps case it’s a certainty.

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watching_whatever@reddit

What happened 35 years ago is proven? Where? Is it proven for Bill Clinton?

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Cryptoking300@reddit

I said it’s a certainty, and it is based not only on the overwhelming evidence but also Trump's active coverup. Do you know what proven even means, and why do you keep coming back to Clinton as if i care about him, while trying to deflect from Trump whose incrimination dwarfs Clintons?

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watching_whatever@reddit

How did you rule out the gold diggers? How did you weed out women looking for fame or attention by Press? How did you rule out the Democrats who would like to support Democracy? How did you rule out the mentally unstable?

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Cryptoking300@reddit

Jfc, youre moronic, delusional, in denial, and projecting your own cultish bias. I have no allegiance to the Democratic Party, in fact I considered myself a Republican until Trump showed.

Again, the evidence is overwhelming have to looked at any of it? Sounds like you have a mental block regarding anything bad about Trump. Katie Johnson accused him of sexually assaulting her when she was 13, her lawsuit came out BEFORE Epstein’s final arrest in 2019, and included numerous details about Epstein’s operation that were later proven true in court, and she wouldn’t have known otherwise. Sarah ransom has stated in court documents that Trump was sleeping with underage girls at Epsteins NY mansion. Another woman testified in the Maxwell trial that Epstein was taking underage girls to meet Trump.

Epstein said Trump was his best friend for 15 years, Trump said Epstein was a great guy who liked women “on the young side”. And now we have the infamous birthday card. Epstein introduced Trump to Melania. He went to their wedding.

We’ve known for over a year that Trump is Doe 174 in the Epstein files, and now we know that Bondi briefed Trump telling him he’s in the files in May.

Now I know now of this will get through to you because of how brainwashed you are, but this is still just a portion of all the facts that implicate Trump as a pedophile.

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watching_whatever@reddit

Three witnesses who could have any of the above four reasons is your proof? Women and men for that matter are known to lie. Stories change over time due to unrealistic expectations.

If you have a video file showing a women objecting to sex before sex with Trump let me know.

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Cryptoking300@reddit

Lmfao, you’re seriously pathetic. You’re little brain cannot possibly accept anything bad about Trump so you give a blanket dismissal to numerous independent victims of Epstein who testified legally in various manners, and you just flat out ignore all the other details I listed. All of the accusations from these women are credible in context with their timing, and details that have later been proven.

All the while you’re more than willing to accept that Clinton was involved (as do I), when the details that implicate him not only also apply to Trump, but are far less numerous. Sorry buddy you trying to question anyone’s logic is laughable, and as far as decorum, just look at who you’re hypocritically defending and following.

And again, everything I listed, most of which you ignored, is merely a portion of what we know that shows Trump was a participant in Epstein’s pederasty. Not even including the active coverup he’s undertaking. You were duped.

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plsobeytrafficlights@reddit

the dems have always been soft, never willing to take the low road to get things done, maybe for the sake of preserving the union, maybe because of optics or who knows why, but they have been weak. the republicans know this and have milked it for all they can. Now, it is now somehow the democrats fault that trump and epstein raped little 12 and 13 year olds. what?
dont worry, ghislain will get a pardon and then say she never saw trump in her life.

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Electronic_Mango1@reddit

The Russia stuff is literally nothing. They found nothing. It's the clearest distraction of all time. Yes maybe the Dems did something wrong in not releasing the Epstein files. Sure maybe. How does that help us today in 2025? Trump is president today. The only way they come out is if we put pressure on whoever's in power.

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TheHammer987@reddit

Bullshit.

The Democrats are willing to go to the floor and vote to release the files. The speaker of the house suspended all voting so it won't happen.

This is not a both sides argument.

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thetennisgod@reddit

I am aware Democrats want the files released now. Were they not available to be released when Biden was president?

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WhitePantherXP@reddit

I can see a scenario where Bill Clinton (and others) are implicated and they didn't want to expose democratic involvement in a scandal just to expose Trump's, i.e. "let's not make waves." The fact that Dem's are now the only ones lobbying to release it is still the biggest takeaway here and implies that the Republicans are hiding something that they feel is not worth the damage to release it.

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VetGranDude@reddit

They are lobbying to release them because they know 100% that they'll never be released. It's all about appearance. They're not the party in power, so they can PR it all day and look like benevolent angels, laughing behind closed doors, comforted by the fact that neither party will ever release them.

Republicans do the same BS when Democrats are in power. It's dirty politics. Easy to point at the party with the majorities and say "See? They're the problem!"

Trump is definitely in the files. But so are a lot of people. Some were guilty, many were just schmoozing with a wealthy, connected guy. Epstein was around in all the powerful circles and flew a lot of people around to various locations. Many of his connections were just...connections. Nothing more.

The question here is which connections were actually part of the sex trafficking. My guess is it was lots of Democrats, lots of Republicans (including Trump), and lots of powerful friends who fund both parties. That's why they've been covering this up since at least 2007.

We will never see the hard evidence. Ever. Democrats know it, Republicans know it, deep down we all know it. Right now Democrats can play the game of "but we want them released" because they can. It's a great play. Smart politics.

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caveman512@reddit

Yup and it’s gonna happen again the next time Dems are in power. The Repubs are gonna call for them to be released and posture like they want it and the Dems won’t release it. Two sides of the same shit sandwich and I wish people didn’t have such a hard time seeing that

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No_Education_2014@reddit

I think what is in there dammages both parties so the one not in power always sees more to gain by pushing for their release

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ADong_AMong_@reddit

Slow your roll there shooter. Remember Billy Bob, and uncle Joe, take a sniff, are in those Epstein files.

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absurd_olfaction@reddit

During the Democratic presidents the documents were under court seal, and fortunately for Trump they respect rule of law (for the most part).

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watching_whatever@reddit

Except when they use the Law for Political purposes that is.

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absurd_olfaction@reddit

Good on you for keeping the discussion on topic and cogent.

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ADong_AMong_@reddit

I mean the MLK Jr files didn’t work, so fuckit… let’s try this bullshit charade.

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justins_dad@reddit

Tulsi: “those criticizing the transparency of releasing these documents is doing a disservice to the American people, trying to deflect away from their culpability” of course referring to the Russia hoax

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the-99th-monkey@reddit

And she supplied the documents! It is funny that partisan parties thought otherwise, even though Google and Facebook testified that there was no substantial propaganda pushed by Russia on there platforms, .004% specifically. DNC’s cyber security team Crowstrike said it had no evidence of Russia's involvement, and it was DNC murdered staffer Seth Rich that sent the emails to Wikileaks, without providing any substantial eveidence.

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blackdeviljohn@reddit

Knew it was all bullshit. But the Left/media tried make us believe it was real. They should be taken off the air for fabricating lies and go stand in the unemployment line with Colbert.

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Wide-Economist7716@reddit

Tulsi is a bad ass

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17_Bob_Trey_O@reddit

Yes, she is! That's why the Democrat leadership didn't want to confirm her. They knew she'd find out what treasonous lying pigs that whole group is.

Now, I do agree with most, that it's a diversion and an attempt to distraction us from the Epstein files, Black Book and lists. Trump is definitely on the list. As is many of our "leaders", bureaucrats and top CEOs. This is huge, even being an attempt to distract. Soon, you'll be seeing people jump ship off the Obama boat(if they haven't already), just like they did the Clinton's. Great to see. The Dems are as bad as the Reps, the Reps are as bad as the Dems. People need to stop playing the political team game and taking sides. They all need to be exposed!

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Muted-Squash3017@reddit

What is truly sad is that I see tons of posts on social media saying release the Epstein files, or throw Obama in jail... but I never see anyone saying that we need to drop the hammer on Russia to get them off of our social media. We are letting them destroy our democracy while we bicker amongst ourselves.

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Wide-Economist7716@reddit

Bring back RT … who the fuck cares?

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Muted-Squash3017@reddit

Russia's IRA employing hundreds of workers to troll our social media with the intent of causing division and influence elections is not free speech, it is more of an attack on our free speech. Not only that but it has lead to countless investigations and wasted tax dollars.

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Wide-Economist7716@reddit

You don’t understand free speech.

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Muted-Squash3017@reddit

Tbh I don't understand why you would even make the argument for free speech, but good on you for protecting Russia's right to our first amendment.

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Wide-Economist7716@reddit

I am not afraid of any chatter posted anywhere no matter what the origin. I have been around since before the internet. Chatter, even if completely made up, just doesn’t bother me. I always go to original source material. Now if you are impersonating an official source that would be different. But that is not what is being discussed.

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Muted-Squash3017@reddit

Our ability to fact check isn't relevant. I still consider a foreign actor attempting to undermine our democracy an attack on the country and I take that seriously. Does seem like i'm the minority opinion though.

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slaughterproof@reddit

How embarrassing. I haven't seen a worse fall from grace in American politics since maybe John Edwards.

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WashedMasses@reddit (OP)

What are you talking about? Tulsi is like a phoenix, rising from the ashes after being burned at the stake by the DNC and Clinton Inc. She was one of the most electable Democrats on the national stage and they treated her like rotting garbage. I love her redemption arc.

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SeasonsGone@reddit

Definitionally Biden was more electable than her in 2020 lol

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WashedMasses@reddit (OP)

81 million votes lol

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SeasonsGone@reddit

Yes

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plsobeytrafficlights@reddit

redemption arc? lady has gone off her meds. pitiful.

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SirMildredPierce@reddit

Wait... did the redemption arc happen yet? Did we miss something?

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Electronic_Mango1@reddit

The phoenix who runs interference on behalf of rich pedophiles

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WashedMasses@reddit (OP)

Is she though?

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Electronic_Mango1@reddit

Her boss is literally a pedophile and she's running this bullshit to distract from that

Never fall in love with a politician

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Prg3K@reddit

Switching parties is one thing. Debasing yourself and selling out for Donald Trump and everything that's going on w this joke of an administration is not 'redemption.'

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Key-Arachnid-1417@reddit

Agreed, she fucking sucks. She’s a sniveling opportunist whose values and priorities change according to what will get her the most power.

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Sharkdart@reddit

She lied and said that Iran was days away for a nuke so we could bomb Iran. She is complicit in the arming of a genocidal Israeli state. She is covering the Epstein files. She has morphed into a neocon in less than 6 months. What a fucking shame.

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slaughterproof@reddit

She will never recover from the stench the trump administration is drenching her in. How'd it work out for anyone else in trump's first cabinet? Even Mike Pence got death threats commanded by Trump. I don't see this ending well for her, or really anyone working in that admin, given people will see them all as being complicit in this whole epstein cover-up.

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watching_whatever@reddit

The Democrats did use the Law for Political Purposes. Many people recognized the pattern and is one of the reasons Trump developed strong supporters. Even some Democrats could see this fact, but felt it was ok in order to win the election and hold onto or disrupt Trump’s legal power.

Time will tell if the Justice Department takes action or not. I believe censored Adam Schiff is not enough penalty and that he should have at least one of the following: be sued, or have a misdemeanor , or a minor or major felony charge against him for the repeated lies he told on National TV.

Note: I am not in the legal profession.

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