The fact that you're arguing over which team's president uses the pardon pen better means you've already lost the plot.
There are only two kinds of pardons.
There are pardons for the state's rulers: Roger Stone, Joe Arpaio, and their ilk. That's the swamp protecting its own. It's a feature of the system you claim to hate.
Then there are pardons for the state's prisoners: the thousands of nobodies sitting with a federal record for possessing a plant, thanks to the state's failed War on Drugs. A blanket pardon for them isn't a political move; it's a crack in the prison wall. It's clawing back an inch of freedom.
Stop simping for your team's rulers. Of course the Hunter pardon was nepotism. But it was also a check on a weaponized DOJ that selectively prosecuted him using a vague, unjust law that strips people of their 2A rights for life over past drug use—a law they almost never enforce on anyone. The whole spectacle, from the charge to the pardon, was corrupt.
The only libertarian question that matters is whether the pardon power is being used to protect the political class or to free the people they cage. One action protects the state. The other weakens it. It's not complicated.
The whole pardon thing is wild. Creates post war so supporters could be released from charges/imprisonment during the war I believe. Now it’s used to pardon family members.
So you want to play the comparison game to shill for your side of the Uniparty? Cool. Before we look at individual pardons doled out by different sides of the Uniparty, let us examine the number of Biden's Pardons. You could go back all the way to fuck Carter to get almost the number of pardons that "biden" doled out.
I mean seriously the autopen signature thing is pretty interesting as well. We know that Biden was not fit to be President within the last 6 months of his term. Forced out of the race by Dem royalty. Based on him acting like a broken Roomba attempting to get off stage for at least full year before he was forced to step down.
And he was signing blanket Pardons on people that were not even be charged with a crime. For instance Hunter's Pardon was (stolen from a Google AI search) "Joe Biden issued a pardon to his son, Hunter Biden, in December 2024. This pardon covers all offenses against the United States committed or potentially committed by Hunter between January 1, 2014, and December 1, 2024".
I do not understand why these Pardons are not being challenged in court. No where does it say that the President can Pardon someone with out a crime. That seems like a clear violation of our laws.
Also That autopen, needs to be examined. If he is not fit to lead then how is he fit to do literally anything as President? All of these questions need to be examined.
Not dumb ass whataboutism that you are throwing up because you lack the ability to stick to a topic. Shame on you.
So you want to play the comparison game to shill for your side of the Uniparty? Cool. Before we look at individual pardons doled out by different sides of the Uniparty, let us examine the number of Biden's Pardons. You could go back all the way to fucking, Carter to get almost the number of pardons that "biden" doled out.
Don’t see why number of pardons is particularly relevant but go off, king. I don’t love the pardon power at all, but I’m not a partisan hack like you so I don’t go red with rage any time someone criticizes Trump.
I mean seriously the autopen signature thing is pretty interesting as well. We know that Biden was not fit to be President within the last 6 months of his term.
Fun fact, there’s no constitutional requirement for pardons to even be signed. Doesn’t matter that (in your subjective opinion) Biden wasn’t fit to be president he still was.
Forced out of the race by Dem royalty. Based on him acting like a broken Roomba attempting to get off stage for at least full year before he was forced to step down.
You seem to think that by pointing out Reason’s hypocrisy I am somehow a Biden supporter? I literally don’t care that Biden was forced out of the race
And he was signing blanket Pardons on people that were not even being charged with a crime. For instance Hunter's Pardon was (stolen from a Google AI search) "Joe Biden issued a pardon to his son, Hunter Biden, in December 2024. This pardon covers all offenses against the United States committed or potentially committed by Hunter between January 1, 2014, and December 1, 2024".
I do not understand why these Pardons are not being challenged in court. Nowhere does it say that the President can Pardon someone without a crime. That seems like a clear violation of our laws. And it sure seems to end any investigation into Hunter selling Presidential influence to foreign governments. But was never charged so the Highest court says these Blanket Pardons, if accepted removes any Fifth AA Rights. All of those that took Blanket pardons need to compelled to tell us what their crimes were. We may not be able to arrest and punish them, but we should all be interested in how they violated our Laws and Rules.
Also That autopen, needs to be examined.
https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl?inline
This lays out the history and constitutionality of the autopen. It might use some big words but I trust you can get through it.
If he is not fit to lead then how is he fit to do literally anything as President? All of these questions need to be examined.
The only method for determining if someone is fit for office is the 25th amendment or impeachment.
Not dumb ass whataboutism that you are throwing up because you lack the ability to stick to a topic. Shame on you.
Oh no some moron said shame on me because I wouldn’t participate in his sad circlejerk. I’m absolutely debated.
That is a lot of words and insults that suggest you do not know how to read. You keep accusing my of being some partisan puke. In my first sentence, "So you want to play the comparison game to shill for your side of the Uniparty?"
I could give two shits about either side of the Uniparty. I was only pointing out that Biden was no longer fit to lead and yet the largest number of pardons in American History were done...by who?
Also what you responded with shows how hard you are working for this circle jerk of bullshit. Vomiting up the 25th AA pretends that Biden was not forced out of the race. GTFO with that bullshit. HE was forced out and we were forced Kamela.
Rather than implying some sort of bias in order to change the subject, you know you can just go to the Reason site and see what they have written about Trump's pardons, right?
Two tiered justice system, us poors are held to different standards. Before 1863 ~20% of Americans were slaves, taxes make ~85% slaves. Mr Biden is part of the ~15%.
Not fan of that admin, OP are you attempting to compare a Pardon to our legal framework. This is as stupid as that the post calling communism socialism. This is a power that a President has.
Because the libertarian sub is constantly filled with pro Trump dumbassery, despite him being profoundly opposed to libertarian values. Should be able to criticize both, but I don't disagree with the others saying that comparing this one pardon to save a family member from politically motivated persecution to the collection of far worse pardons Trump's done for blatantly corrupt reasons in the few months he's been in.
A libertarian is more aligned with Republicans (or vice versa, however you wanna phrase it) when the subject is finances and more aligned with Democrats when the matter of the question is individual liberties, which is a matter that doesnt show very often anymore since the left went nuts around 15yrs ago
It's reddit. We get constantly invaded by blue and red cultists.
We (the mods) get shit because we have a pretty strict policy of removing dem and rep shit. But if we don't this place will be overrun with non-Libertarians in a second.
The funny thing is when we ban them, if they are republicans, they call us a bunch of commies, and if they are liberals they call us Trump supporting fascists.
Unfortunately we are in a place where people don’t ask how can we win what we deserve. People are willing to settle for beating the enemy. That is what our politics has brought us to. Demonize the other side and you should be happy that it’s insert affiliation here who is screwing you because the other guys weren’t going to lube you up first. Divide and conquer.
This isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, or Trump vs. Biden. This is about the state. This is about the powerful and connected operating under a different set of rules than the rest of us. It's about how the ruling class views themselves as above the very laws they impose on everyone else.
This isn't justice. It's arbitrary power.
Ya pardoning a family member I get. It makes sense on a different level. Even tho fuck the bidens. But pardoning predators, serials assaulters and the guys who beat the piss out of ur own men protecting government buildings??????? That’s insane
Would you like to elaborate on these 34 FELONIES? Sounds pretty serious, I imagine there are other people who have been charged with these as well? Surely these MONSTERS are locked up somewhere!?
Parties being aside, IMO the democrats increasingly are seeming to be grifters profiting from promises of love and inclusivity through non-profits (they are more than profiting from), paid for by the American people.
Just one case in point Clinton's daughter and the Haiti relief fund
Sure both sides do it, democrats just try to hide it more
GalacticGaming1225@reddit
The fact that you're arguing over which team's president uses the pardon pen better means you've already lost the plot.
There are only two kinds of pardons.
There are pardons for the state's rulers: Roger Stone, Joe Arpaio, and their ilk. That's the swamp protecting its own. It's a feature of the system you claim to hate.
Then there are pardons for the state's prisoners: the thousands of nobodies sitting with a federal record for possessing a plant, thanks to the state's failed War on Drugs. A blanket pardon for them isn't a political move; it's a crack in the prison wall. It's clawing back an inch of freedom.
Stop simping for your team's rulers. Of course the Hunter pardon was nepotism. But it was also a check on a weaponized DOJ that selectively prosecuted him using a vague, unjust law that strips people of their 2A rights for life over past drug use—a law they almost never enforce on anyone. The whole spectacle, from the charge to the pardon, was corrupt.
The only libertarian question that matters is whether the pardon power is being used to protect the political class or to free the people they cage. One action protects the state. The other weakens it. It's not complicated.
evilted@reddit
Fuck. Dude's in prison over that law because of weed. Did I read that right? I'm sure that law was based on some suspect intentions.
TheForestBeekeeper@reddit
All marijuana prohibition was based on suspect intentions.
evilted@reddit
True!
Last_Construction455@reddit
The whole pardon thing is wild. Creates post war so supporters could be released from charges/imprisonment during the war I believe. Now it’s used to pardon family members.
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
Surely reason will have a similar article about Charles Kushner and all the other fraudsters Trump pardoned?
monet108@reddit
So you want to play the comparison game to shill for your side of the Uniparty? Cool. Before we look at individual pardons doled out by different sides of the Uniparty, let us examine the number of Biden's Pardons. You could go back all the way to fuck Carter to get almost the number of pardons that "biden" doled out.
I mean seriously the autopen signature thing is pretty interesting as well. We know that Biden was not fit to be President within the last 6 months of his term. Forced out of the race by Dem royalty. Based on him acting like a broken Roomba attempting to get off stage for at least full year before he was forced to step down.
And he was signing blanket Pardons on people that were not even be charged with a crime. For instance Hunter's Pardon was (stolen from a Google AI search) "Joe Biden issued a pardon to his son, Hunter Biden, in December 2024. This pardon covers all offenses against the United States committed or potentially committed by Hunter between January 1, 2014, and December 1, 2024".
I do not understand why these Pardons are not being challenged in court. No where does it say that the President can Pardon someone with out a crime. That seems like a clear violation of our laws.
Also That autopen, needs to be examined. If he is not fit to lead then how is he fit to do literally anything as President? All of these questions need to be examined.
Not dumb ass whataboutism that you are throwing up because you lack the ability to stick to a topic. Shame on you.
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
Don’t see why number of pardons is particularly relevant but go off, king. I don’t love the pardon power at all, but I’m not a partisan hack like you so I don’t go red with rage any time someone criticizes Trump.
Fun fact, there’s no constitutional requirement for pardons to even be signed. Doesn’t matter that (in your subjective opinion) Biden wasn’t fit to be president he still was.
You seem to think that by pointing out Reason’s hypocrisy I am somehow a Biden supporter? I literally don’t care that Biden was forced out of the race
And he was signing blanket Pardons on people that were not even being charged with a crime. For instance Hunter's Pardon was (stolen from a Google AI search) "Joe Biden issued a pardon to his son, Hunter Biden, in December 2024. This pardon covers all offenses against the United States committed or potentially committed by Hunter between January 1, 2014, and December 1, 2024".
I do not understand why these Pardons are not being challenged in court. Nowhere does it say that the President can Pardon someone without a crime. That seems like a clear violation of our laws. And it sure seems to end any investigation into Hunter selling Presidential influence to foreign governments. But was never charged so the Highest court says these Blanket Pardons, if accepted removes any Fifth AA Rights. All of those that took Blanket pardons need to compelled to tell us what their crimes were. We may not be able to arrest and punish them, but we should all be interested in how they violated our Laws and Rules.
https://www.justice.gov/file/494411/dl?inline
This lays out the history and constitutionality of the autopen. It might use some big words but I trust you can get through it.
The only method for determining if someone is fit for office is the 25th amendment or impeachment.
Oh no some moron said shame on me because I wouldn’t participate in his sad circlejerk. I’m absolutely debated.
monet108@reddit
That is a lot of words and insults that suggest you do not know how to read. You keep accusing my of being some partisan puke. In my first sentence, "So you want to play the comparison game to shill for your side of the Uniparty?"
I could give two shits about either side of the Uniparty. I was only pointing out that Biden was no longer fit to lead and yet the largest number of pardons in American History were done...by who?
Also what you responded with shows how hard you are working for this circle jerk of bullshit. Vomiting up the 25th AA pretends that Biden was not forced out of the race. GTFO with that bullshit. HE was forced out and we were forced Kamela.
yea_about_that@reddit
Rather than implying some sort of bias in order to change the subject, you know you can just go to the Reason site and see what they have written about Trump's pardons, right?
For example:
https://reason.com/2025/05/27/trumps-pardon-for-former-virginia-sheriff-who-exchanged-badges-for-cash-makes-a-mockery-of-law-and-order/
https://reason.com/2025/05/12/biden-and-trumps-perverse-pardons-undermine-the-rule-of-law/
https://reason.com/podcast/2025/03/12/rachel-barkow-did-trump-and-biden-turn-pardons-into-a-corrupt-joke/
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
Different authors, moron
EskimoPrisoner@reddit
Your original complaint was about Reason not having articles about Trump, and once you were shown them you moved the goalposts to the same author?
spicy_jamaica@reddit
Whataboutism..
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
The article is literally asking what about this other guy lol
spicy_jamaica@reddit
A quick check of your posting and comment history.... that was a lie
Pertinacious@reddit
No, it's the same.
murphy365@reddit
Two tiered justice system, us poors are held to different standards. Before 1863 ~20% of Americans were slaves, taxes make ~85% slaves. Mr Biden is part of the ~15%.
1ThousandDollarBill@reddit
I do think it is interesting that Hunter is putting himself out there at all as if his life isn’t extremely shameful
gumby_twain@reddit
Exactly. We live in a twisted world, it really gives me hope
WSquared0426@reddit
Trading on the Biden name is how the family makes money. He has to do something to try and turn the money spigot back on.
EmpireMind@reddit
I mean anything to stay relevant I guess?
runningvicuna@reddit
With a smug ass attitude too.
jasont80@reddit
It's kinda ridiculous that you can get sloshed on alcohol and it's fine, but if a doctor prescribes a little pot, you lose your rights.
Royal_IDunno@reddit
Yea that time when he had cocaine in the White House and the whole incident was quickly swept under the rug.
monet108@reddit
Not fan of that admin, OP are you attempting to compare a Pardon to our legal framework. This is as stupid as that the post calling communism socialism. This is a power that a President has.
NeoMoose@reddit
It's (D)iffe(R)ent -- This one instance doesn't change that the law doesn't apply for just about all of the elites.
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
Both Trump and Biden have pardoned family members for crimes. It’s a big club and regular folks ain’t in it
gavinpoehm@reddit
This is exactly it. It's never been democrat vs Republican vs whomst-the-fuck-ever. It's always the haves vs the have-nots.
natermer@reddit
What is the point of being the ones who get to decide the rules when you can't decide the rules in a way that benefits your benefactors?
If you don't do that then they will give your federal seat to somebody else.
AnOkFella@reddit
Well the law never said that pardons need to be fair.
kanyediditbetter@reddit
I’m indifferent about hunter Biden. Kind of feel like if your dad’s the president the rules shouldn’t apply the same way.
entheogenocide@reddit
The only 2 people I've ever heard of getting charged with this.
spicy_jamaica@reddit
Why are these comments filled with blue cultists? This is a libertarian sub...
obtk@reddit
Because the libertarian sub is constantly filled with pro Trump dumbassery, despite him being profoundly opposed to libertarian values. Should be able to criticize both, but I don't disagree with the others saying that comparing this one pardon to save a family member from politically motivated persecution to the collection of far worse pardons Trump's done for blatantly corrupt reasons in the few months he's been in.
clinkzs@reddit
A libertarian is more aligned with Republicans (or vice versa, however you wanna phrase it) when the subject is finances and more aligned with Democrats when the matter of the question is individual liberties, which is a matter that doesnt show very often anymore since the left went nuts around 15yrs ago
Mead_and_You@reddit
It's reddit. We get constantly invaded by blue and red cultists.
We (the mods) get shit because we have a pretty strict policy of removing dem and rep shit. But if we don't this place will be overrun with non-Libertarians in a second.
The funny thing is when we ban them, if they are republicans, they call us a bunch of commies, and if they are liberals they call us Trump supporting fascists.
Reasonable_Ad_7289@reddit
Unfortunately we are in a place where people don’t ask how can we win what we deserve. People are willing to settle for beating the enemy. That is what our politics has brought us to. Demonize the other side and you should be happy that it’s insert affiliation here who is screwing you because the other guys weren’t going to lube you up first. Divide and conquer.
Avtamatic@reddit
It's r/Libertarian. People here will unironically defend AOC and Bernie. Its overrun with Lolberts.
MakinBaconOnTheBeach@reddit
Glad I'm not the only one noticing it. It was obvious yesterday when most comments were against Elon joining the libertarian party
spicy_jamaica@reddit
Weird. That they come here to promote their blue cult nonsense.
Avtamatic@reddit
Yeah, these are the people that think Libertarianism is a left wing ideology and that non-authoritarian Socialism is possible and not an oxymoron.
spicy_jamaica@reddit
Take my upvote 🫡
1ThousandDollarBill@reddit
It’s Reddit. Pockets of anything against the democrat party is hard to find.
ScottyMcScot@reddit
I assume it's the pendulum swinging back from the MAGA invasion last year.
natebark@reddit
Almost every post in this sub has its tongue up Trump’s ass lol
GCsurfstar@reddit
I mean, yeah, it’s fucked. But I’d of done the same thing for my kid so I don’t really know your point.
Trump pardoned literal predators and violent criminals. Which is worse.
Get the fuck outta here hahahaha
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
Trump wasn’t in office when Hunter was pardoned, dumb 💩
MadGeller@reddit
Of course, Trump hasn't pardoned anyone questionable, along with every other president.
ChipKellysShoeStore@reddit
Trump has also pardoned family members tho
Libertarian-ModTeam@reddit
Comment was removed for being retarded.
codifier@reddit
The point is putting the legitimacy of the state into yet again, question.
Powerful people leverage the power of the state for preferential treatment. Of course he did it for his kid, it's why power corrupts.
Ergo, the state is illegitimate and this is another example as to why.
LaManoInvsible@reddit
This isn't about Republican vs. Democrat, or Trump vs. Biden. This is about the state. This is about the powerful and connected operating under a different set of rules than the rest of us. It's about how the ruling class views themselves as above the very laws they impose on everyone else. This isn't justice. It's arbitrary power.
Stoic_Fervor@reddit
This right here
isingwerse@reddit
"Ya it's super fucked up but fuck trump so your arguments invalid"
Parabellum12@reddit
Literal predators? Like this guy?
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-rebuked-granting-clemency-man-caught-child-porn-2000149
Trump sucks as much as any democrat. Biden sucks as much as any republican. Stop picking sides.
beesandtrees2@reddit
Also if he didn't pardon his son, you know trump would have gone after him.
leyuel@reddit
Ya pardoning a family member I get. It makes sense on a different level. Even tho fuck the bidens. But pardoning predators, serials assaulters and the guys who beat the piss out of ur own men protecting government buildings??????? That’s insane
d-mir@reddit
Curious to know how OP feels about guilty on 34 felonies and an unconditional discharge for them.
BlueStarSpecial@reddit
Would you like to elaborate on these 34 FELONIES? Sounds pretty serious, I imagine there are other people who have been charged with these as well? Surely these MONSTERS are locked up somewhere!?
GCsurfstar@reddit
But but but! What about the Biden crime family Greg Gutfeld told me about!!!
Lmfao
Hyperlinux@reddit
You guys are stretching this beyond all recognition.
silent_b@reddit
I mean, he’s the president and it’s his son. That’s the system.
LifeWitness@reddit
Ok let's indict them both. But how about the Epstein files? Quit the what about bull shit.(R)
I_HopeThat_WasFart@reddit
Parties being aside, IMO the democrats increasingly are seeming to be grifters profiting from promises of love and inclusivity through non-profits (they are more than profiting from), paid for by the American people.
Just one case in point Clinton's daughter and the Haiti relief fund
Sure both sides do it, democrats just try to hide it more
robbzilla@reddit
Joe had to sign that pardon, though.
How else was he going to get his ice cream?
ENVYisEVIL@reddit (OP)
https://reason.com/2025/07/21/hunter-biden-walks-free-while-this-iowa-man-serves-4-years-for-the-same-crime/?itm_source=parsely-api