It annoys me somewhat that when they mention pay restoration to 2008 they miss out they were still working a 72 hour week then, vs 48 hours today and of course the medical schools are still massively oversubscribed with eager applicants and all these resident doctors knew the terms when they started out on this journey. There is a sense that people are responsible for their own choices in life.

On the other side, it’s hard to be comfortable with a health service that behaves like a toxic employer and retention rates are a major problem that if we can fix will end up saving us money. Pay,training job security career progression reasonable rosters decent working environments the role of physicians assistants. There is a lot on the table and precious little money to address it. And of course where the Doctors lead the nurses will follow.

People have I think a keen sense that the country is very close to the edge of economic collapse. Liz Truss demonstrated how easy it is for the whole economy to start collapsing like a pack of cards, and they largely recognise higher taxes more borrowing printing money or taxing evil billionaires or tax evading multi nationals won’t fix our problem. (Some fantasists will of course continue to believe in this till the day they die). That’s why I think they have some sympathy with a government that is trying to balance the claims of cold pensioners disabled people kids with special needs and a host of other priorities with the needs of doctors.

I also don’t think it helps the doctors cause when they play the victim card, however victimised they feel.

‘ the public hate us, no one appreciates us, I think I’llvmove to Florida with my state funded education and earn 350,000 year . You’ll miss me then’