Mod Announcement: Rule Changes & Content Limitations
Posted by usgapg123@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 56 comments
Please read the following announcement before posting or commenting.
Violations of these rules may result in a permanent ban.
Changes to Rule 2:
Rule 2 has been changed to include the use of AI. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of AI in writing comments and posts or generating images. This also includes presenting AI theories or arguments, even if you explicitly state they are generated by AI. AI-generated content regarding aviation is frequently wrong and is incredibly low effort. The use of AI may result in a ban.
Introduction of Rule 10:
Even though we have been restricting NSFW content and gore before this, we have added it as an official rule and will be strongly enforcing it from now on.
Rule 10 bans any gore being posted to this subreddit, even if it is a link to an outside source. This includes as a post or a comment. Violations of this will result in a permanent ban from r/aviation. In addition to this, we are also limiting NSFW content that is not explicitly gore. This content will be decided on a case by case basis. Content involving incidents like the one that was seen at Milan Bergamo Airport will always be marked as NSFW, and we will provide details in pinned comments and the flair to elaborate on how NSFW the content is, so that everyone can make their own choice on what they want to see.
Geopolitics:
Please remember to keep discussion in this subreddit focused on aviation. While geopolitics will frequently be a part of discussion, please remain respectful and avoid getting in arguments about this. Do not bring geopolitics into posts where they don’t belong.
Air India Related Content
Before posting Air India related content, please do the following.
- Search through the 4 megathreads below to see if your content has already been discussed;
Megathread 2 (2 days after crash)
Megathread 3 (week after crash)
Preliminary Report Megathread - Search this subreddit to see if it has already been posted. - Check if there are any active megathreads about the Air India crash, and if so, post there instead. These will be found pinned on the subreddit homepage. - Check if the content you are posting is up to date, original, and adds to the discussion. If you are posting news, check if it is from a reputable source.
Thank you for your understanding. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out through modmail.
The r/aviation Mod Team
ThoughtAny5036@reddit
Hello how can I post something? It is not allowing? I need some guidance. Thank you
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
Im not seeing any posts from this account. Please reach out to Reddit for help or go through r/help.
snoromRsdom@reddit
"Rule 2 has been changed to include the use of AI. This includes, but is not limited to, the use of AI in writing comments and posts or generating images. This also includes presenting AI theories or arguments, even if you explicitly state they are generated by AI. AI-generated content regarding aviation is frequently wrong and is incredibly low effort. The use of AI may result in a ban."
Sounds like some humans are jealous of AI. As for AI frequently being wrong:
MartianCommander@reddit
I recently posted a video of an aircraft stalling just after takeoff with an inminent crash incoming. I cut the video just before impact, so the crash was not actually visible.
The video gave key insights for an ongoing respectful and productive discussion regarding the cause of the crash that we were having in another post.
The video was removed.
This makes zero sense. Yes, sadly, it was a crash that ended in two fatalities, but this HAPPENS in aviation, and even more, accidents can serve as an excellent learning tool and promote pro-safety discussions.
I understand not showing the impact or any other gruesome details that are not relevant for a valuable conversation, but this draconian anti-crash policy goes against everything we have learned about aviation safety in the last 30 years.
The aviation community should be able to talk about aviation accidents, and sometimes that requires to see what happened with your own eyes.
FencerPTS@reddit
I'm just picturing the loading crew getting done loading the ordinance, taking a step back, and saying, "great googly moogly."
https://media1.tenor.com/m/HYJIA1hbzlEAAAAd/chefs-who-are-the-chefs.gif
GracchiBros@reddit
Anything that goes with this:
Should not be an instant permaban. People can't read the minds of mods.
And expecting people to read through 4 megathreads is ridiculous.
Fly4Vino@reddit
Consider how much crap mods need to read through every day.
As mod on another topic it is a thankless job that never pleases everyone. I have also seen so many subreddits self destruct due to lack of moderation.
r/aviation is one of the best Reddits and needs strong moderation to keep it that way.
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
Permanent bans will only be given out for incredibly obvious content that are not marked as NSFW. For any content that is not incredibly obvious, we can help if you reach out through modmail.
Fly4Vino@reddit
Great job of moderation and keeping the focus on aviation
Mike__O@reddit
Does Rule 2 still include FR24 and other flight tracking related content? If so, that should be explicitly stated. Those posts are incredibly common, despite being against the rules
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
FR24 is still banned, and this was always the case. We moved that from Rule 2 to Rule 9, because it makes more sense there.
GarlicoinAccount@reddit
Relatively new to the subreddit, but why does this rule apply to "posts & comments" (per the rules page)? Is there anything wrong with Flightradar24 that makes it unsuitable as a source to use for comments?
Evilbred@reddit
FR24 is fine, it's just we don't want this sub to be dominated by things like that.
MapleMapleHockeyStk@reddit
I remember before the rule was put in. It was a little crazy. Also there is a flight radar 24 reddit sub anyway....
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
It should be fine in the comments. I’m not seeing it apply to “posts and comments” on my end.
GarlicoinAccount@reddit
For some reason it isn't displayed on New Reddit, but on Old Reddit you can clearly see that the rule is marked as "Posts & Comments".
I've checked for a sub I mod, and you can set whether it applies to posts, comments or both from the rules page in Old Reddit. E.g. https://old.reddit.com/r/aviation/about/rules/.
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
That makes sense. I use new Reddit, so none of that is visible to me. Thanks for the info.
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Joshwoum8@reddit
I have no issue with the substance of these rule changes but I think it is pretty crazy how open to interpretation these rules are to the point there is going to be uneven enforcement.
Fly4Vino@reddit
Sometimes the good judgement of an impartial person is vastly superior to a page of detailed rules
Successful-Bobcat701@reddit
Mods are not impartial and don't have good judgement, as evidenced by these poorly thought-out rule changes.
Fly4Vino@reddit
Think of the mods as your hosts who donate thousands of hours to keep this from becoming another trash heap.
The door's never locked from the inside and folks are always welcome to leave and start r/aviationme
As a mod on another site there's a bottomless pit of bad actors who need to be given guidance or the boot.
MattyLaw06@reddit
Why was my post removed? It got several reports even though I haven't broken any rules.
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
Reach out through modmail.
MattyLaw06@reddit
I did the issue was resolved. Apparently them reports were just spammers. The post was recovered.
Homo_sapiens_sapie9s@reddit
Why did this post of mine got removed?
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
If you have a question regarding a post removal, message the mods through modmail.
Homo_sapiens_sapie9s@reddit
Ok
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GistsFlying@reddit
😎 I'll abide
Peak_Flaky@reddit
Is there a specific place to ask a couple of questions from new/older pilots? I tried to make a new thread but couldnt and I didnt find any "ask questions" thread.
Outrageous-Split-646@reddit
Doesn’t this inadvertently ban any official accident reports because they’ll often include gore in them? Or is there a definition of gore that doesn’t include what’s in the reports?
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
It will be decided on a case by case basis. This mainly applies to videos or pictures, so official reports will be fine.
_ferko@reddit
Don't particularly like how this is left to interpretation, feels like you guys didn't think this one through.
doyouevenfly@reddit
It seems pretty simple to me. If it’s a video of a guy walking into a prob and his brains going everywhere it prob won’t be approved. If it’s a report that has a picture of the prop with a dent and a little blood red it will prob be approved.
_ferko@reddit
Then why not clearly state it if it's so simple? Leaving it to interpretation is not a good thing.
Evilbred@reddit
Because some things are meant to be left to the judgement of the team.
FossilFuelBurner@reddit
Maybe the legal team you have on retainer would be willing to draft up some terms and conditions for this free place run by volunteers.
It’s not that serious.
GracchiBros@reddit
You don't need a legal team. It's pretty easy to just write rules and if anything you don't want crosses a line that wasn't mentioned then you don't permaban them immediately and just update the rules to cover that and keep doing that as time goes one.
lorigio@reddit
I posted new footage of BGY, correctly marked as NSFW, with no visible blood. The camera was positioned at least 50 meters away, so you can’t really see anything - yet it was still removed
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
Exactly.
Clean__Cucumber@reddit
exactly my thought as well, they need to reword the rule to say that accident reports etc. should be allowed and only images/vids in the post itself will be removed
MerDeNomsX@reddit
How will you be able to discern a comment or post written by AI?
Sometimes I’ll use AI to clean up a comment or the message in a post to clearly communicate my message, especially wrt complex topics
IvanStarokapustin@reddit
I don’t think this will be a problem. More than a few subs are seeing long drawn out nonsense treatises that people are generating.
Joshwoum8@reddit
Once the post is on its ninth paragraph with a couple of needless lists and em dashes in every sentence it isn’t that hard to figure out.
SockVonPuppet@reddit
I hate that AI has ruined the em dash's reputation. That's nothing to do with this post, but I needed to get that off my chest.
IvanStarokapustin@reddit
Yeah, and lots of sentences in bold, like weird sentences.
PunkAssBitch2000@reddit
Probably referring to copy and paste stuff from ChatGPT
FoxBearBear@reddit
Ok - won’t use AI.
Fog_of_War_@reddit
So why did you removed this
Video of accident in comment : r/aviation
?
OP clearly described that his link redirects to NSFW, and any human being clicked the link can see that this is exactly incidents that was seen at Milan Bergamo Airport.
Hambone76@reddit
Question about rule #10: does this include things such as bird strikes, or are you talking purely about human remains? Just clarifying if showing damage from a strike that has residual bits or blood would trigger a ban.
usgapg123@reddit (OP)
That will be fine. If there is a lot of blood it will be marked as NSFW and we will add a comment to clarify. Again, this really will be determined based on the post. Don’t hesitate to reach out before posting or right after posting and we will help out.
We also won’t permanently ban you for a small, genuine mistake. As long as you try to mark it correctly and communicate with us, we will work out an acceptable way to post it (or remove it and avoid a ban, at the very least).