Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
Posted by SchaefSex@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 24 comments
Sometime in the 80s, my grandfather - an avid amateur pilot - had to make an emergency landing flying from Olympia, WA to Wichita, KS. He had a Cessna and a Piper. I don't remember which one he was flying at the time. I think it was the Cessna but my brother says it was the Piper. Neither of us has any idea what model either of them were.
Somewhere over western Kansas, he ran into trouble and had to bring her down. As he explained it, "It's the wings that'll get you. One of those hits the ground, that'll flip you end-over-end." He flew between two trees in a windbreak. I'm sure you know, those long, single lines of Cottonwoods common on rural farms. He sheared both wings right off simultaneously, and the fuselage bounced along a freshly plowed field until it came to a stop. He walked away without a bruise or a scratch.
My brother and I were talking about this recently and I thought this sub might be interested. Maybe it's common knowledge to do something like this? I'm not a pilot so I've no idea, but I'd be interested to know.
Secret_Poet7340@reddit
My Dad crashed (stalled) his POS Stearman into the biggest tree he could find all the while his older brother was screaming at him from the other seat. The Civil Aeronautics Board (This was pre-FAA) had told him he was restricted from flying passengers for a previous f-up, yet there he was for all the county to see. His older brother had to drop from the tree and crawl back through waist-high corn fields to get back home unobserved. My Grandfather tanned both their hides for this stunt.
flyghu@reddit
If you are going to do dumb shit, make the story so good the younger generations think you did it on purpose!
SchaefSex@reddit (OP)
That is very possible, I admit! I genuinely wanted opinions because, not being a pilot myself, I've always wondered about this course of action. I understood about wings touching ground could flip a plane, but taking them right off? I dunno.... Anyway, I appreciate a further perspective. I am glad he wasn't injured. He was a great guy.
flyghu@reddit
Your grandpa sounds like a hoot. He embellished this story to make you enjoy hearing it. Hang on to his version. Tell your kids his version. That's the best pilot advice I have.
SchaefSex@reddit (OP)
You are sweet to put a fun spin on it. He definitely was your typical Grandpa Leg-puller. Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised I'm being told he's an idiot, a liar, and INSANE. I mean, it is the Internet after all. And I should have known better than to ask a piloting question when the most I know about aviation is how to look for bargain airfare on Travelocity, lol
E2TheCustodian@reddit
I was trained that if you must go down in a forested area you should try to do this to both manage energy as fast as possible as well as try to separate yourself from fuel. This was in the early 1990s and I was flying Cessna 172s. I was also told that this technique was absolutely aircraft model dependent. In my training this was a ‘you are going into trees no matter what’ last ditch energy management thing though.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
The purpose of this isn't to "rip the wings off" though or even to manage energy. The point is that if you have to land in trees you're more likely to survive if the cockpit doesn't smash directly into one. That's why you aim between the trees.
E2TheCustodian@reddit
I understand. I am passing along anecdotal support for the notion that this was trained in some places, however correct (or not).
PDXGuy33333@reddit
I learned to fly in a Cherokee 140 and was taught that the wings are built to break away when hit from the front so as to separate the fuselage from the fuel tanks. Not a bad idea at all.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
That isn't true though, the wing spar in a Cherokee 140 is a continuous through spar and ties both wings together. If you hit something hard enough to shear a wing off, its going to rip the entire plane apart. The wing spar is probably the strongest part of the plane, definitely stronger than the cabin frame.
PDXGuy33333@reddit
I have seen a wrecked Cherokee with both wings torn off and the cabin intact.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
No wing spar is built to separate because its the most integral part of the aircraft. If the wing spar fails in flight the aircraft will fall out of the sky.
Yeah, every crash is different and I'm not saying you didn't see a Cherokee with the wings ripped off, but the idea that it was designed for the wings to rip off is incorrect.
PDXGuy33333@reddit
OK. Thanks.
roadbikemadman@reddit
The GA equivalent of "I avoided the crash by laying my bike down"- huh?
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
haddalayerdown
Kiytostuone@reddit
I've had 2 emergency landings. First one, the fuel shutoff valve had just walked itself closed. I was also in Kansas (or maybe Nebraska) and just put it down in a field. Figured it out a few minutes later and left.
2nd one I was forced into the ground by fog, and landed on a tiny beach somewhere in the Bahamas. I then spent a few hours watching the tides slowly come in and got out right when the water was starting to lap at my wheels.
I think in a situation like your grandfather's, where I was forced to fly between trees for some reason, aiming dead center just seems intuitive, regardless of the reason.
SchaefSex@reddit (OP)
I probably wrote that unclearly. He didn't have to fly between trees. He could have tried landing in an open field. He intentionally looked for a windbreak so he could fly between two trees in order to shear the wings off on purpose. I just wondered if that's a thing pilots know to do? Given the option, of course.
Neither-Way-4889@reddit
Yeah, that is a terrible idea. Much better to land with the aircraft intact. Besides, the way a wing spar is constructed the wings wouldn't just shear off like that, it would completely destroy the plane.
Kiytostuone@reddit
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No. There is no sane person that would ever intentionally do that instead of just landing in a field
BMW_M1KR@reddit
Sounds like a made up story, how would you know that it actually clips the wings off completely instead of just one side causing a complete messed up crash...
bath-bubble-babe@reddit
Isn't the full one... A good lending is one you really away from. A great landing is one you can use the plane again, afterwards. ...?
Jenny_Tulwartz@reddit
Sounds like he botched an off-field landing and tried to make it sound like he was a hero.
Fact0ry0fSadness@reddit
Yup. Sounds like a classic bar story an old timer tells to try and impress the young kids. This isn't something a (sane) pilot would ever intentionally attempt.
participationmedals@reddit
What if you land in a crowd of people, make mince of dozens and walk away?