Parents.. would you pay the school fine or wait until school finishes and pay extra £1000+ ?
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Question for Early Years groups (reception, year1, year 2) primary schools
Parents.. would you pay the school fine to take your kids out of school 1.5 days early to save over £1000 on a holiday?
Or would you wait until they finish school?
Some parents are very passionate about 100% attendance and argue it will severely impact the child’s educational outcome and school life. How would you approach these parents on the school run with their side-eyes?
Goldf_sh4@reddit
Neither. Call in sick. They know that a proportion of illness is really holiday time. It's up to them how they manage their statistics. They created this stupid system and it's not your job to pay the price. Enjoy your holiday.
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
And what happens if kid says to his mates he went to Spain and wasn't sick?
Goldf_sh4@reddit
Nothing bad happens. Literally nothing.
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
So it's best to say my son is sick for a week, instead of telling them we're going on holiday and getting a fine?
Goldf_sh4@reddit
OP said it was two or three days.
geeered@reddit
At that point it's unlikely to be a teaching issue generally. But then the whole reason you can save £1k is that other people are following the rules - if everyone did the same, they would be more expensive.
In a similar way to getting a parking ticket for parking somewhere you shouldn't - the only reason you can park there in the first place is because other people are following the rules, or likely it'd already be taken.
During main teaching time, it's not just disruption to your children's education, but disruption to the rest of the class when teachers have to account for students that have missed chunks of education.
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
I guess child can learn that in life there are “idiots who follow all the rules” and “strivers” who can “have nice things” because they ignore them?
geeered@reddit
Ironically, as a kid who's parents pretty much did follow the rules - I kinda learned to be more 'flexible' at least. Because I saw that it didn't really change... much at all.
I totally agree with the principal that the world would overall be a much better place if everyone did 100% follow the rules and the intentions behind the rules (rather than looking for loopholes). But I also appreciate the reality that the differences any one individual makes have very little significance generally.
alabriHEY@reddit
I'm a year 1 and 2 teacher and I don't care at all if a kid misses a day or 2 at the end of the term, in fact it's nice if the class thins out a bit and I have fewer tired, ready-for-a-break children to wrangle. As long as they are ok with missing out on class parties, concerts and the other stuff we do at the end of term.
I absolutely hate it when kids miss the few days at the start of a term though. That's when we introduce new topics/focus texts/maths concepts and it's difficult to try and catch them up on what they've missed.
dolphininfj@reddit
I used to teach year 1 and 2. I completely agree with you!
New-Dot1833@reddit
Respectfully what do you even learn at those years where a week would make a huge difference
WaltzFirm6336@reddit
My friend teaches nursery/reception. When parents say this to her about holidays she shows them what letters they will be introducing on those days. She then asks the parents if those letters are ones the child is likely to need? If so, they need to be there.
New-Dot1833@reddit
Dont you only spend 3 hours at nursery anyway. Really don't see how a kid would fall mega behind after missing only a week before half term. I did work experience at a school snd last 2 weeks before summer holidays the young kids were just mucking about. Dont see how a week early is detrimental.
TheRealGriff@reddit
If you mean at the start of term, it's more that the teacher doesn't have a week to introduce the child individually to the new topics. So they're potentially never going to catch up. If you're introducing basic concepts for a skill like reading or arithmetic then it could have a real impact down the line if they spend an entire term behind the rest of the class.
AberNurse@reddit
So, just playing devils advocate here, if you can spare the time to “wind down” and watch films and do concerts and stuff in the last weeks of term, which not have a more light hearted week to start term. Acknowledge that for many family the only times they can afford a holiday is in this period. That way no one is missing anything.
alabriHEY@reddit
It's less that it's spare time, we have so much curriculum content to get through. It's more that by the 7th or 8th week of term the kids have completely lost focus and are ready for a holiday, so getting through a whole day of normal teaching would not be super productive. Not to mention the staff are burnt out. The first week back is when everyone is rested and ready to learn.
AberNurse@reddit
Thank you for a thoughtful answer. I wasn’t asking pension to take children out of school I was suggesting that if you know it’s going to happen anyway doesn’t it make sense to plan for it.
I think it’s worth discussing it. Holidays are also import, socially as well as educationally. I really think the solution would be for the government to price cap holiday time flight prices. But I think being realistic and pragmatic about the fact that parents and children benefit from breaks and how that can be incorporated into to the school year is also sensible.
Shifty377@reddit
School isn't optional to attend at the beginning or the end of term and parents shouldn't be facilitated to make it so. The commenter is being pragmatic and explaining that by circumstance, if it's going to be done, the end of term is preferable to the start.
'Winding down' is contingent on everything being done during the term time and acceptable because of tired kids. There's no justification for wasting time at the beginning of term.
ticklemetiffany88@reddit
Ooh can I ask you a question? My kid is finishing up year 1 after moving here from the US last July. Are end of year teacher gifts a thing over here?
MuddyHiPo@reddit
Yes, end of year gifts are given by lots of children to their teachers in the UK
ticklemetiffany88@reddit
Thank you!
maelie@reddit
You don't need to go over the top with it though, it didn't need to be a massive thing. They're generally considered optional, and are often just something like a handmade card or craft with a note from the child. If the teacher is really special it's nice for the parent to write to them too to say what difference they have made to your child. It's nice for the teacher to have that morale boost and remember why they're in the job.
At some schools parents may organise a group gift for the teacher so it's something bigger they receive. That more often happens in more middle class areas I think. My husband is a primary teacher and it never happens in his school, which is in a low socioeconomic area.
He loves the handmade gifts the most, usually.
NurseAbbers@reddit
Yes, they are :) (I've just had to buy gifts for a year one teacher and a year 3 teacher.)
ticklemetiffany88@reddit
Thank you!
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
Great response, what about year 4? Want to take my son away next year hell be 9 and in year 4, I was thinking somewhere either last or second to last week before summer holidays
I will keep in mind missing the start of term
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Thank you! Your response is very much appreciated. I agree.. the start of term is difficult as it is and disruptions should be kept minimal, wherever possible.
LateFlorey@reddit
Absolutely pay the fine.
My husband is a teacher, so we’re hit with the additional costs and I wish there was a way to pay fine for taking him out of school so we can actually save some money!
tacticall0tion@reddit
Has he considered having annual bowel problems a week before summer holiday?
Just so happens he ate some bad shrimp, or a bit of rsw chicken
Horror-Kumquat@reddit
A colleague of my mother’s pulled that trick at a school in the 90s. Someone was able to prove she was abroad, and she got sacked.
Hot-Image4864@reddit
I despise whoever that someone is.
tacticall0tion@reddit
Much like masturbaiting on an aeroplane, its only a problem if you get caught
beneyh@reddit
Fucking great analogy that one 😂😂
theevildjinn@reddit
I'm thinking of founding a new organised religion, inspired by the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. One of the core tenets would be that your kids have to take the last couple of days off school. Checkmate, local education authorities.
northernbadlad@reddit
Yep, same here. Feels so unfair that they can never take even a bit of term-time leave!
LateFlorey@reddit
Surely, there’s a way for tourism industry to give them decent discount (Jet2 offer £50 off holidays for teachers but doesn’t really help), so they aren’t stung.
Or all teachers get 5 days of annual leave to take outside of the holidays, which I imagine the public wouldn’t support as “they get enough holiday as it is!”
northernbadlad@reddit
Absolutely. He misses out on all our own little boy's school events, and his brother is getting married on a Friday which will be a right pain for us, before we even start thinking about holidays - having a few flexible days would be so appreciated!
LateFlorey@reddit
We’ve had to miss so many weddings or do crazy flights to make abroad weddings.
It does make me sad that teachers have to miss their own children’s school activities as they’re putting on things for other people’s. I know it’s their choice to have children, but agree, some flexibility would be great.
CanIhazCooKIenOw@reddit
Just do it, put him to work in a kebab shop. If he knows how to read and write it's enough...
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
They will learn more by going on holiday early!
They will learn Mummy thinks it’s fine to lie and cheat if it’s “for £1000” or “a nice holiday”
TippyTurtley@reddit
Not if you don't lie about it
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
I guess they learn that society has lots of “silly rules” that other people follow but Mummy will ignore because she wants “a nice holiday”
TippyTurtley@reddit
Yup. They need to learn that sometimes it is ok to break the rules
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
Sure, everybody should do it.
Then everyone can have a cheap holiday!
ReddyBlueBlue@reddit
Yes, as they should. Dumb/strict rules exist to be broken.
Intelligent-Iguana@reddit
I don't agree with taking kids out of school for anything other than medical stuff.
I've every sympathy for parents, the holiday companies shouldn't be allowed to hike the prices like they do, and I know it's frustrating, especially when the last couple of weeks of the school year don't usually involve much work.
But by taking them out, you're teaching kids, at a very early age it's OK to lie to do what you want. This isn't good. Plus, do you really expect a 5 or 6 year old to keep quiet and not announce to the whole class 'we're going on holiday tomorrow'?
TippyTurtley@reddit
No one said anything about lying
Intelligent-Iguana@reddit
A lot of the comments are saying to call in sick which is lying.
TippyTurtley@reddit
Ah right. Well it's also pointless to lie
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Interesting point, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Also, nobody should lie about the reasons for taking the kids out of school. Children shouldn’t be taught to lie for their own gains; I am completely against that.
nj813@reddit
I'd argue the opposite and say they should be given a small number of days allowed leave like they would in the real world as long as enough notice is given plans can be made. We proved that during lockdown remote working is possible if less then ideal but it would remove this insane arguement that seems to come up every summer
NobleRotter@reddit
You don't have to lie. Just tell them you're on holiday and key it be recorded as unauthorised then pay the fine. You're still quids in.
My eldest just finished school. We've only done it once. Wouldn't do it in GCSE years and only did it innthstbstupidnu productive last week, but it was the timing that worked best for us.
RatioSufficient495@reddit
Everyone i know does approx 2-3 days. Nobody i know, has been fined for less than 4 days.
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
Can you explain what you mean by 2 to 3 days. Let's say kids break up Friday 18th July 2025, are you saying they go absent from the Tuesday?
Does this still make a difference to holiday prices as the bulk of a 1 or 2 week holiday will still land in the summer holidays?
RatioSufficient495@reddit
That's 4 days off so could be sticky. Pull your kids out on Wednesday and 99 percent of schools follow the policy where they dont fine you for 3 days off. Talking from personal experiences and all my friends.
Oh and massive difference in price.
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
I will defo look into this, thanks a lot!
EllieW47@reddit
Just don't take them out for the last 3 days of primary school as "you won't be learning anything then anyway"!
I'm still bitter nearly 40 years later from missing all the end of school fun.
UnpredictiveList@reddit
Even 40 years later I’d rather have been on holiday than doing own clothes day and watching flubber
Streathamite@reddit
Flubber is only 28 years old so if you were watching it 40 years ago you must’ve spent the last days of term time travelling which is pretty cool!
hadawayandshite@reddit
Maybe they were watching the original from the 60s and couldn’t remember the name
loftychicago@reddit
The Absent-Minded Professor was the original, with the sequel Son of Flubber.
UnpredictiveList@reddit
Oh I’m not the same age as u/ellieW47, I’m just using their example.
lodav22@reddit
Kindergarten Cop was our annual film in primary school. I could probably still recite most of the script!
EllieW47@reddit
My daughter is leaving this week, if I took her out she'd never forgive me. They have:
Two performances of their play
A bowling trip
A birthday party that has become a end of primary party
A concert
Leavers assembly and then they each get to ring the bell to signify they have finished.
Everyone writing on each other's shirts.
It is a huge right of passage she has seen all the older kids do for seven years!
I don't think I missed that much, there was probably about half the amount, but it is still a memorable period.
UnpredictiveList@reddit
The question was to year 1,2,3 - not year 6 leavers. That one is different.
notanadultyadult@reddit
I missed my last few days of primary school. Can’t say I regret it tbh. Hated every minute of primary school and was glad to be away from the cunts who spent so long bullying me. New school with new people in September and it was amazing. Only a few from my old school who were assholes went to my new school but thankfully weren’t in the same classes as me.
Downtown-Event-1326@reddit
We were tempted to not attend the last 1.5 days of school this term as it worked our better with my work leave and he's got 100% attendance this year. My son was properly upset when I mentioned it though as there is a quiz on the last day and you can win a keyring. So we haven't done it!
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Interesting point and thank you for sharing your experience!
EllieW47@reddit
Just to clarify, I meant the last few days of their final year, I don't think the rest of them matter much.
Serious_Escape_5438@reddit
Haha I've made my daughter miss the last day a couple of times because flights are much cheaper (visiting family) and she made me promise not to do it again. She said just that, a whole year of boring classes and missing the most fun part like Christmas parties or whatever.
lodav22@reddit
Royal Welsh show week is always the last week of term so a lot of the kids from the local farming community don’t come in. For a day and a half I would just email the school that they’re ill and leave it there, no one is going to be bothered to check if you’re in the country or not!
Imadeutscher@reddit
Why not just call in sick lol
TomBeeforth@reddit
Call in sick 😁
Boredpanda31@reddit
Last 1-2 weeks of term I find that they don't do much!
Nine_Eye_Ron@reddit
Not true, it’s jam packed day one to the very last.
That being said we took outs out early to save near £500 and no regrets.
That’s how we found out it was jam packed beginning to end.
Boredpanda31@reddit
Oh well, where I am my niblings say they are allowed to just watch dvds or play on their phones the last two weeks 😆
pm_me_your_amphibian@reddit
I don’t have any kids, but my assumption is that they can be a bit unpredictable when it comes to remembering lies?
TomBeeforth@reddit
I agree, you can tell them they’re going on Saturday so theres no issues in talking about it at school, fun surprise the night before.
liltrex94@reddit
In some countries, children don't start attending school until they are 6yo and they don't suffer any academic decline. So I would say that taking your young child out for a few days is not an issue for their education. To fine parents is weird, I remember myself and classmates having holidays during term time (20ish years ago) and our teachers would send us away with homework to complete. It wasn't loads, about 45 mins to an hour a day. Sometimes more. But this was before the fines came into play.
paulbdouglas@reddit
For an £80 (if they can be arsed) fine, i do it, and it saves £100's so worth it in my opinion. Never been fined either
Meanwhile-in-Paris@reddit
Absolutely. I did it before and told the teacher about it. They agreed that it was not only fine to miss a couple of days at the end but valuable experience too.
We took our son out of school (y1) for 5 days to enjoy a cheap ticket to Andalusia for my 40th birthday.
The teacher agreed and asked us to choose one visit to do a show and tell. We visited a Neolithic site and made a board for the class.
Every pupil who is taken out of school shares an experience with the class.
TSC-99@reddit
Take them. Teacher. There’s more to life.
P_J_D_K@reddit
I think you should really consider what you are teaching your kids by taking them out of school early.
Understanding rules and how to interact with authority figures is a really important part of childhood. I assume most people don't want to be teaching "do what authority says 100% of the time" but you also don't want to be teaching "it doesn't matter what someone in authority says, do what you want". I would hope you want them to learn to respect people with legitimate authority, and to really carefully consider if going against what they say is the right and moral thing to do.
With that in mind, is "you can ignore a rule from a legitimate authority that is instituted for your long term benefit (and maybe also lie about it) is absolutely fine, as long as you get £500 of value" the lesson you want to teach?
And with the added caveat that this strategy only works if only a few people do it, if everyone skipped out the last couple of weeks then it wouldn't be cheaper, so you can add "and screw the rule followers, they're just rubes" on the end of the lesson.
CraftyTadpole2488@reddit
I took my kids out early before Easter break, I was happy with that but I wouldn’t take them out early before Xmas holidays and summer holidays because that’s when they have all their parties, shows, award ceremonies etc
I’m in Scotland and we thankfully don’t get fines. How much is the fine and what’s the difference between that and the cost of the holiday?
zebra1923@reddit
I would wait for the holidays and pay the extra- but then I’m in the fortunate position of being able to afford it and therefore prioritize my child’s formal education.
I fully understand parents who choose to take their kids out of school, yes they miss out on formal education but they benefit from informal education, family time, experiences which they might not get during non term time as where they can travel to unrestricted by cost.
Grouchy_Self_3122@reddit
I’ve chosen unauthorised absences a few times for music festivals and family trips. It’s not negatively impacted my kid’s education and given additional experiences that wouldn’t have been possible in school holidays.
And if you’re looking at very end of term, they do fuck all in class anyway. The kids are mentally checked out in early July and lesson plans tend to reflect this reality.
appletinicyclone@reddit
This sounds so fun
Never done anything like that with family
Happy_Raspberry1984@reddit
I used to spend a bit of time in the primary school office (volunteer stuff) and the amount of sick calls the secretaries got on the last 2 days of term was hilarious. I can still hear the passive aggressive “and what is Timmy sick with today?” question. The schools know, they don’t care. Just call your kid out sick with d&v (buys you 2 days) and enjoy your holiday.
appletinicyclone@reddit
Drum and Vase
ReallyIntriguing@reddit
How does 2 days make a difference? If you go away for a week let's say, most of the holiday lands in the summer holiday stoll?
Happy_Raspberry1984@reddit
It’s more if you call them out on, say, Thursday and they’re going to miss Friday as well then they’ll be noted down for the 2 days rather than having to call again.
Goldf_sh4@reddit
For a lot of school's its just a few clicks on an app now. You don't even have to lie to a human.
Happy_Raspberry1984@reddit
True! Or it’s a quick email.
iamabigtree@reddit
Our youngest is off today, actually genuinely ill. I know that when I called they will have assumed I'm actually in Tenerife.
terryjuicelawson@reddit
I've done it and not got fined, they won't authorise it but you'd need to be missing weeks at key times for them to care.
appletinicyclone@reddit
How much is the fine?
fat_mummy@reddit
You wouldn’t get a fine? It’s only for 10 sessions missed?
jibbetygibbet@reddit
Having gone through this without taking them out and paying an arm and a leg for the privilege, if I could do it again I would take a different choice - assuming it’s the end of term, no qualms at all given they will miss exactly zero learning. That’s for my own kids thigh, who otherwise miss no school and are high achievers.
It’s true that attendance is strongly correlated with attainment, and indeed some of that link is causative (as opposed to the fact that kids who do well also tend to have parents who care a lot about education, which is also a big part of it). However the effect is not equal for all children, and for all days of the term equally. Missing the start of term is going to be much bigger an issue than the very end.
AreaMiserable9187@reddit
When I was in year 6, my parents took me and my brother (who would have been in year 9 I think?) out of school in term time for a 2 week holiday. We turned out just fine! Got our degrees, good jobs, he's got his own business. I HATE this culture of 10000% attendance at school. Is one or two days really going to be the difference between winning and failing?
Willywonka5725@reddit
Take the fine, took 3 kids on holiday for 10 days the other week and it's still cheaper to take the fine.
West_Category_4634@reddit
Having a holiday is a privilege, not a right.
If uou cant afford it, don't go on it. And don't set a bad example for your kids.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Interesting point. But who said about lying?
West_Category_4634@reddit
Fair.
But it still sets a bad example that breaking the rules is okay.
Mammoth_Pumpkin9503@reddit
Arbitrary rules
West_Category_4634@reddit
Reminds me of some folks who justified fare dodging.
Mammoth_Pumpkin9503@reddit
Strong disagree - false equivalence.
Affectionate-Boot-12@reddit
I bet your fun at parties.
CongealedBeanKingdom@reddit
I'm a teacher. I'd pay the fine if I had the option.
DameKumquat@reddit
It's amazing, those outbreaks of D&V that sweep primary schools in the last week of term.
Secondary, more important to stay, especially in years 9 and 10.
MissSwizz@reddit
I'd add it's really important for year 6's to have the final days for transition reasons.
It often hits them a lot a harder than they realise that this part of their childhood is over. It's a big change moving the secondary school and brings up a lot of big feelings.
madcow87_@reddit
10 & 11. GCSE time in secondary school I agree, better to be present because as useless as they are, those grades do have an impact on your prospects outside of school in the initial.
DameKumquat@reddit
I actually did meant years 9 and 10, when they're covering more of the syllabus. End of y11 they're away anyway. Summer half term you'd have to ensure didn't clash with any exams, but might be a good time to get your kid to chill out. End of Lent term is generally revision sessions. Christmas and Spring half term, yeah, agreed, also important in y11, hopefully.
MissSwizz@reddit
Tbh unless they've missed a chunk of school already you shouldn't get a fine. It's normally 10 sessions (5 days) before fines are issued.
Also, the money does not go to the school, please do not argue with the school. School reports all attendance to LA and they issue fines and they get the money. I'm not suggesting you would argue, it's just an argument I see all the time from very confidently incorrect Facebook mums.
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
Hello! I’m the electrician that worked on your house last year.
Listen, there’s a “silly rule” about a certificate I’m supposed to have. I can’t lie to you now - I never bothered to get it. I saved £1,000 and took the kids on a nice holiday instead.
I hope you don’t mind? The work I did would be the same, it’s stupid paperwork.
Anyway, enjoy your holiday. Good tip for you - I’m taking my kids 5 days earlier this year because it saves even more money!
ReddyBlueBlue@reddit
This post seems to have really pissed you off considering the flurry of sarcastic comments you're posting. Take a chill pill.
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
Oh my god, it’s the comment police.
I’m sure OP doesn’t care about a few sarcastic comments.
ReddyBlueBlue@reddit
I'm just saying that the sheer amount is unusual.
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
Great. Thanks for your opinion I guess?
Alert_Bid1531@reddit
Honesty do we really panic when our kids are sick and what they are missing at school kids can have up to 5 days off with the flu some times . I would make sure there nothing going on before you book, tests , fun things and book the holiday. It’s quiet, cheaper and let’s be honest you could always ask what they missed lesson wise and teach at home they trusted at Covid why can’t this be any different . I had a teacher complain to me about my daughter missing school. That year we had my uncle , brother and mam die and the teacher was more concerned about the numbers we had to travel from Nl To England constantly and she had to come as I had no one to look after my daughter and it was her family . I remember saying oh well I’ll tell the rest of my family Not to die this year then.
NecroVelcro@reddit
The entitlement of parents who seem to believe that going away on holiday is a right rather than a luxury will never fail to disgust me.
UseADifferentVolcano@reddit
It's better to just ask/tell the school. They may not fine you. Don't make your kid lie to their teacher
DiDiPLF@reddit
The rules changed in my LA area this year. The school doesn't get to choose, it goes straight to the LA and they always send a fine (takes a while but it will come through). So don't tell the school anything, don't put them in that position. Either say the kid is sick or tell school the truth and accept the fine.
awkwardwankmaster@reddit
We're currently on holiday saved about 2 grand for the holiday and we told the school about it they accepted the holiday and told us we wouldn't be fined as their attendance was already good. Even then the fine is cheaper so I'd rather pay that
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Absolutely. I would always tell the truth.. my child would spill the beans and knows it’s naughty to lie 🫣
Wizzpig25@reddit
You won’t be fined for 1.5 days.
It needs to be 10 half days of unauthorised absence in a rolling 10 week period.
Just tell the school you’re going on holiday.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
I did not know that. Thank you for sharing that info
Sivear@reddit
Yeah you won’t be fined.
You could send them into school Monday morning, pick them up at lunch time, have them off all week and not be fined.
It’s 10 consecutive sessions so 5 days for a fine.
But if you were off continuously then you’d be getting visited by the attendance officer - if your school or LA has one.
summers_tilly@reddit
Is this for all councils? Does this mean potentially you could take them out 5 days in autumn, 5 days in summer? Apologies for all the questions, my eldest is going to big school in september and i’m mourning term time holidays.
ProfessorYaffle1@reddit
it would need to be 4.5 days as ot is 5 days = 10 half days and triggers the fine. Also be awae that fines are cumulative , so if you get fines once, then hit the 10 half days again, the second fine is double. 3 or more in a 3 year rolling period and you potentialyl get prosecuted,
I assume it is set at 10 half days specifcally to stop people taking a week and falling blow the cap.You could perhaps consier a long weekend leaving Wed after school and returning Tues evening so they only miss 4 days.
Wizzpig25@reddit
https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/08/fines-for-parents-for-taking-children-out-of-school-what-you-need-to-know/
It’s national rules. Taking your kids out for 5 full days would mean a fine. 4.5 days would not, however.
summers_tilly@reddit
Thanks for the info!
Dramatic-Explorer-23@reddit
Why would people actually admit to going on holiday? Just say they're sick
Iamleeboy@reddit
We plan all of our holidays a few days early to save the money. It is usually the last 3 days before the holiday - although we usually go for either easter or the october holiday when we do. I will always take the fine and be able to afford a holiday, than not go!
I know a lot of kids in my kids class go during the first few days of term and I wouldn't go for that. I wouldn't want them to miss settling in, picking their seat (if they still get to do that!) etc.
But end of term is usually when the fun classes start and I am not fussed about them missing those
Prestigious_Emu6039@reddit
Took my kids to CP a couple of times in term time, it was educational and fun, everyone wins.
anxiousgeek@reddit
I've taken my kids out of school for a holiday. Fuck it. It's primary school they're not doing their gcses
Leg-Pretend@reddit
I believe they can't fine you in reception year anyway and the attendance record is just for show as they're mostly below compulsory school age technically in that first reception year. Some kids even go part time if pre arranged with the school in reception.
Loose_Acanthaceae201@reddit
I used to be absolutely fierce about this, partly because the families I saw taking termtime holidays were fully taking the piss (two weeks all-inclusive with the children in club, every year, right in the middle of a half-term to miss new core topics being taught). I will also never forget having to deal with the parent who was furious we wouldn't rearrange her daughter's A Level exams around their holiday to Portugal.
Then pandemic.
Having our children learning at home taught me huge amounts about what a school day actually looks like and how learning happens. My children were starting topics on a Monday and consolidating through the week. The first week of each six-ish-week cycle had more new stuff in it than the last week. What would be an hour's work in a busy classroom can take ten minutes if the child gets the topic.
So if you take your child out of school a few days before the official end of term, they will almost certainly not be missing any new material. They'll miss revision and videos and sports days, all of which are important in their own right, but they won't miss How To Multiply Fractions.
If you bring your child back to school late after the holidays ... that's a lot worse. They miss important socialising stuff and new material. And it would be sad for a child to miss the last day at primary school, etc.
Since lockdown we've taken our children out of school twice for a week each time. First time was for a "once in a lifetime" holiday that was too long for the two-week Easter break and would have been too hot over the summer holidays, so we took them out early – officially it was unauthorised but the school staff were perfectly happy and they didn't miss anything that needed catching up. Second time was when the primary and secondary holidays weren't at the same time and spouse took them to see family living abroad. We didn't get fined either time – this may vary by local authority.
I will still side eye people who totally ignore term dates so they can take their children on holiday and then ignore them (go alone! get someone else to look after the children so they don't miss any school!) and particularly where their children are already struggling at school.
But taking a few days at the end of term to halve your flight costs? Go ahead.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Thanks for sharing your experience! Really appreciate the feedback.
Loose_Acanthaceae201@reddit
And OH MY GOD it drives me up the wall when schools link attendance and attainment. Yes, you can plot a graph showing that they correlate but it should be obvious after the briefest of consideration that attendance is affected by other relevant factors such as health, neglect, poverty etc. It's easier to yell at people for their children's absence than to address the underlying causes. This is a central government problem and everyone always focuses on what it measured, so yeah I get it.
RekallQuaid@reddit
Kids won’t remember a random Wednesday at school in June but they’ll remember flinging down the water slide at speed, splashing into the water head first and drenching their dad who’s lounging by the pool.
Pay the fine every time.
DeCyantist@reddit
Having not been brought up in the UK, we took a few holidays anywhere in the middle of the school year sometimes to come to Europe. The school would incentivize it because no one else had those opportunities around there, so they were always thrilled about it. Helps that it was also private, so they did not need to put up with a lot of non-sense and political righteousness.
Polz34@reddit
My sister is a primary school teacher and she said this week over 10 of her pupils have been taken out for holidays as even with the £60 fine it is way cheaper. She doesn't actually mind as the last week before summer break is rarely got any 'teaching' in fact most this week is activities and visits (e.g. safe walk are going in to talk about how to cross the road etc.) rather than actual teaching. Guess it's a bit different if they are older maybe?
slimboyslim9@reddit
Take your point but ‘activities and visits’ and learning how to cross the road are still definitely teaching and probably the kind of school days that would live longest in their memories.
Anywhere_everywhere7@reddit
What sort of activities did you do? All I remember was watching movies towards the last day of term.
If activities are educational then it will be done throughout the term and not just towards the last few days.
slimboyslim9@reddit
I’m replying to the previous comment whose teacher sister says they’re doing activities and visits.
n0tmyusual@reddit
If you need to rely on school to teach your kid how to cross the road, you're parenting wrong.
slimboyslim9@reddit
Yeah but that’s not the point I’m making.
Ayanhart@reddit
It doesn't help that this is a particularly long half term (7 weeks and 2 days) while most plans are designed for 6-week half terms: typically 6 lessons for weekly subjects and 25-30 lessons for Maths/English.
sharps2020@reddit
This is the reason I have to pay extra to go to an adults only hotel!
melanie110@reddit
I did suck it up and I did travel at the end of term. Not sure if this will help but we always flew the Friday they broke up or the Saturday after as it was way cheaper than waiting until the week after.
Pick them up from school Friday and head straight to the airport. Quick change in the car and off we went.
I’m so thankful we don’t have this anymore though but I do feel your pain
MaltDizney@reddit
Does 1 day really save £1k?
_Sad_Ken_@reddit
I'd take them out for a day or two. I did, often.
lookhereisay@reddit
The last day or two especially when young seem fine. My son will miss the last half day of school next summer. I know friends who missed the last week and didn’t get to do the fun stuff (especially in year 6).
Mammoth_Pumpkin9503@reddit
You won’t be fined for 1.5 days - it’s 10 absences in a row which is 5 days.
Visible_Nothing_9616@reddit
You won't get fined until you reach 10 sessions of unauthorised absences in 10 weeks, each session is half a day. We took my son out over his birthday, he's in year 4, to take him to Disney. We filled in the holiday form, knew it would get rejected, everyone knew he was going. We've had no issues from it, he was out for 3 days. I was glad my parents never told me to say I'd been sick when they took me out for holidays, it means the kid can't talk at school about their holiday.
naturepeaked@reddit
I think it’s selfish to do this. The only reason it’s cheaper is because everyone else is following the rules. If they weren’t it would just as expensive on the week either end. It reeks of thinking I’m better than everyone and the rules don’t apply. I get it’s more expensive, but maybe just scale back your plans a bit.
txe4@reddit
Call in sick for it, and let the children know, and tell them why.
Learning how to slip past hostile bureaucracy is an important life skill.
100% serious.
National-Base-323@reddit
You won’t get a fine for 1.5 days. You have to miss 10 sessions, which is 5 days in order to trigger a fine.
We are doing exactly that next year with our two. It’ll be a £320 fine (£80 per child, per parent) but we’ll save almost double that on the cost of the holiday.
HeavenDraven@reddit
If the kids are under 5, which is just possible in reception, they're not legally obligated to be in school anyway, so under those circumstances you can't be fined.
Realistically, most schools will probably handwave a day and a half at the end of term if their attendance is otherwise good
lovinglifeatmyage@reddit
My niece in law regularly takes her kids away and pays the fine
PM_ME_UR_VULVASAUR_@reddit
Aside from the ethical "is it okay to take your kid out of school a couple of days early" (it is, don't be ridiculous) to save a substantial amount of income avoiding the 'June-July price surge'. It is a nice little extra tax on working class people for local authorities and the government, because well off people ain't working about being able to afford whether to leave their least favourite kid at home to cut costs.
Academic-Key2@reddit
unethical life tip: if you can find a religion that has a holiday that coincides with the dates you want you can get the time off and pay nothing
aberforce@reddit
Just consider how often you’d like to do it. The guidance has changed and repeat offenders (3x) now get prosecuted. https://educationhub.blog.gov.uk/2024/08/fines-for-parents-for-taking-children-out-of-school-what-you-need-to-know/
Sparko_Marco@reddit
I think it all depends on the age of the kids. Primary age in lower years it doesn't really matter if they miss some school, year 6 I probably wouldn't take out because they have SATs and sessions to help moving to secondary school.
Kids in secondary school, I think years 7 to 9 its not a big deal if they miss some lessons but years 10 and 11 are key GCSE years so I wouldn't want them to miss anything.
At the end of the day your kids education is more important than saving some money on a holiday so you need to weigh up whats best for them.
Primary-Currency7231@reddit
Not commenting on this specific issue, but I think some people don’t realise WHY (I understand) the fines are there conceptually.
It’s not supposed to be about the disruption or value/tiny educational loss of taking children out of school for holidays.
It’s the holistic rule/concept of “parents not ensuring kids under 16 are in education”
The idea is to not have a values system here eg a parent who takes their kid out 3 days early for a holiday is just as “at fault” as one who takes their kid out of education to help look after the families farm animals/livelyhood.
Both can be solved by money and the argument is to stop one happening, you have to stop the other to be fair.
Again, not saying that’s the correct judgement, but think people forget the fine is intended to reduce ALL absenteeism without imposing values (holidays are more important than keeping a family’s livelyhood together) etc
(Disclaimer: don’t have kids)
HelloW0rldBye@reddit
The real hack is pay for private school and get all the cheap holiday times!
EdinDevon@reddit
"we played Minecraft all day today so the teachers could prepare for the fate".
"Every day counts, you cannot have a single day off."
One of those was from our child, the other from the school. In the same week. Make of that what you will.
DoingItWellBitch@reddit
My siblings just took their kids on holiday a couple weeks early. The last week of school, they don't really do any serious work.
My mun used to do this, but also asked my teachers for the school work so I could do it whilst on holiday 😅
notouttolunch@reddit
Schools dislike it because it counts as bad attendance which is a criteria that inspections take into account.
I was a governor at a primary school and this was the single biggest unaddressed part of the improvement program. It was the biggest reason it couldn’t get past “good” as it never improved between inspections.
The actual fine is nothing to do with it really. The school don’t see it and it doesn’t impact their budget.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Thanks for sharing this info.
barejokez@reddit
first of all, as this question becomes more and more widespread, i expect holiday companies and airlines to start pricing the week before term ends more in-line with the holidays. might take a few more years, but the pricing algorithms will catch up.
that to one side, i think it's pretty clear that missing the last day of school is of little consequence from an educational point of view. I'd actually be mildly concerned about the social aspect - at my old school and my kid's current school it's a fun day and once the bell rings, it's always a big party on the common or at someone's house. it's not something that i'd be hugely bothered by unless it was their final year in school, but it is worth bearing in mind. however, the more days you miss, the more likely you miss the prize giving ceremony, sports day, end of year play - all of which were in the 10 days of school this time around.
for what it's worth, the administrator's at our school turn a blind eye to missing the final day or two, but do care if it's longer than that, or if it's mid-term (without a solid excuse), which i think is fair enough. Personally, i think the fines should escalate per day. So £50 per day if you miss one day, £75 per day if you miss two days, £100 per day if you miss 3 etc.
CanIhazCooKIenOw@reddit
There's no magical dark arts at play here, it's supply and demand.
More people take holidays during school holidays, hence prices are higher.
barejokez@reddit
er, yeah that's what i said (or tried to!)
the algorithm works on supply-demand
CanIhazCooKIenOw@reddit
I'm sure kids learn a lot with a week in Benidorm.
Because many people don't see it as a big issue is why government had to step in a start finning people - only in the UK...
Ok-Pie-712@reddit
We pay the fine. We saved nearly £800 EACH going away in term time with our 8yo this year. If they’re in exam years etc then I’d not do it.
If the government really wanted to stop it happening then the fine would be a lot more than £80. It’s just a way to make money.
SheriffOfNothing@reddit
It's clear to me that the push for 100% attendance is driven not by those on it already or near it, but to drag the schools attendance record higher when it's affected by a few kids who have 50%-60% attendance. It's all artificial and you should feel no guilt about saving that money. That said, my child gets very anxious about any form of rules transgretion and for that reason we aways end up forking out.
tacticall0tion@reddit
Pay the fine.
I never attended the last week of school because my parents took me out to go abroad. Fine is Peanuts compared to the jacked up prices once summer holiday kicks
shredditorburnit@reddit
I'm old enough that it wasn't a big deal, but I learnt a lot more on family holidays than I did in school.
We went to New York in 2001, about a month after 9/11. I saw 42nd Street performed on 42nd Street. I went up the empire state building and my father, with a PhD in civil engineering and 20 years working on designing buildings, explained how it was built to us as we went around. I met regular New Yorkers, deli owners, cabbies, people at places we went. We got the dirtiest look of our lives when my parents let me have a sip of their gin and tonic lol (Americans are wild about drinking laws). Everyone was so nice to us, like they couldn't believe anyone would risk coming there a month after the attacks. Our view was that it was pretty unlikely to happen twice in a matter of months.
We went to Barcelona a year or two later, and that turned into a bit of a tour of Gaudi's work, which was fantastic, I particularly liked the park and there is no experience on earth that compares to walking into the cathedral. Art meets engineering.
Sure, I missed 3 pages of Of Mice and Men and had to mug up a week of maths. But I gained so so much more.
I'll grant a week at a resort in Spain maybe doesn't have the same educational merits, but even the year we did that I got to practice my German with some tourists and learned how to shoot, tried some real Spanish food in the town nearby, plus the hotel was pretty swish, me and my dad spent an evening in the bar and he told me about "The Producers", which I thought was a hilarious concept, so a year or so later when it was being performed not far from our home, the 4 of us went to see it together.
These new rules penalising parents for making their own choices about a minor percentage of education time are patronising and draconian in my opinion. I recognise the reasoning behind it, but enforcing that much rigidity on people is always fraught with problems and one has to wonder at what point is fining and punishing people doing more harm than the thing they're doing in the first place?
ConsciouslyIncomplet@reddit
Take the child’s out of school - the fine, if even applied, is way cheaper.
OkCap2870@reddit
This late in the school term, and for reception/year 1/year 2, take them out of school and pay the fine. The chancesof anything productive being done in the last couple of days of the summer term is slim to none.
luckeratron@reddit
My son is in reception and they don't levy the fine for him I think it starts in year 1. Anyhow absolutely pay the fine, talk to the school and ask if there is anything you can do whilst on holiday to make sure your child doesn't get behind.
We recently went to centre parks and our 5 year old kept a diary (with lots of help) and took pictures of his holiday to show his class.
qyburnicus@reddit
I would take the fine because we cannot afford the extra £1k. It’s a few days with family vs the end of term, it’s a no brainer.
Kamoebas@reddit
We always took our kids out. Had no option due to being shift workers with allocated leave. We talked to the school head who was understanding. It helped that attendance was high the rest of the year.
BarNo3385@reddit
I cant really comment on how big a deal the money is to you, but the idea that you need 100% attendance to do well at school is demonstrably garbage.
Engaged parents who support and promote learning, and make an effort to ensure catch up work is completed at home, is a far bigger plus than an extra couple of days of lessons once a year.
Primary-Project-3853@reddit
It’s completely worth the risk, and you don’t always get fined anyway. I think you only get fined for over 4 days off. 1.5 days is nothing, book the holiday and enjoy yourself! You don’t need to tell the school if it’s only 1.5 days, just say she’s poorly.
My daughter has had 100% attendance pretty much every year since starting school. We requested to take her out of school for the first time in 4 years (it’s called a withdrawal from learning form 🙄) for four days for a holiday out of school holidays which was refused. We then told them we were going, took her anyway and risked the fine.
The school sent us a text and email every day on our holiday even though they already knew which is ridiculous. We then got the email saying we may get a fine, which so far we haven’t. My daughter’s teacher couldn’t care less and asked her if she had a nice holiday!
It was 100% worth it and I haven’t regretted it for a moment. We made so many lovely memories.
A lot of parents can’t afford holidays in school holidays and I think every child should have the chance to have family holidays. There is more to life than school and meeting targets, these are children not robots.
I’m sure no parent would give you a side eye but if they did, you don’t want to be friends with those losers anyway!
MKMK123456@reddit
For year 8 and upwards once the end of year exams are done there isn't much happening.
And for junior years , again nothing educational takes place in the last two weeks .
But a lot of extra curricular activities take place so one needs to weigh that.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
That’s a very interesting point. Thank you for sharing.
kryptonick901@reddit
I dont think all areas of the UK fine. I've never heard of it happening in Scotland for example. We went on holiday with our (pre-school) son just before the schools up here broke up. We flew out on a Tuesday and the first few days were super quiet, mostly German families, then on the Saturday (which would be the Saturday before the last week of school starts) there was a big influx of familiar sounding accents.
Even if they do fine, it's absolutely worth it, and we'll be taking out kid out of school early for holidays for sure.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Ah interesting.. didn’t know that so thank you for sharing.
-ghostfang-@reddit
Seems a bit late for this question? Are you a “news reporter” type?
itsshakespeare@reddit
I asked the school when my daughter was five, because missing the last half day of term saved us about £500, and they said it was fine. I think taking her out of school for a week or two is a completely different thing. Especially as they get older, I think it’s hypocritical to tell them to study and work for exams because they’re important, but at the same time make them miss school to save money for the family
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Agree, 1-2 weeks is too much. Thanks for your input.
zerotolerance4trolls@reddit
Pay the fine, it’s getting scrapped soon anyway.
mgorgey@reddit
Kids of that age I'd have absolutely no compunction about taking them out of school for a week.
Mdl8922@reddit
Who cares about the side eyes? You can't control when a sickness bug happens.
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
🤣🤣🤣
Kara_Zor_El19@reddit
Pay the fine.
Child free rn but as it stands we wouldn’t be able to afford for the two of us during school holidays so no idea how we’d afford it if we had kids.
Always go in June when it’s hot but schools are still in
TheBikerMidwife@reddit
I pay the fine every year.
Sensitive_Ad_9195@reddit
Realistically, what are they going to be learning on the last day of reception? They might learn a lot more on some holidays
UK-CRA_97478194@reddit (OP)
Absolutely valid point!
ig82@reddit
We spoke to the school when we took our Y2 to Japan for a week at end of term. 2weeks coinciding with may bank hols.
They said they couldn't authorise it but wouldn't complain as it was educational and a big adventure. Worst thing that happened was it went down as unauthorised absence on her report
AWhistlingWoman@reddit
Do what you want to do. Why do the opinions of others matter that much? By the time you see them all again in Sept they’ll have forgotten anyway.
I’m a former primary teacher and would 100% suggest taking your kid out early.
Teembeau@reddit
"Some parents are very passionate about 100% attendance and argue it will severely impact the child’s educational outcome and school life. How would you approach these parents on the school run with their side-eyes?"
Did these people forget what school was like? You spend 6.5 hours in school. Roughly 1.5 hours of this is lunch and breaks. About half an hour of this is register and an assembly that s a complete waste of time. Then you might do an hour or so of PE which is no different to kids going swimming on holiday. That leaves 3.5 hours of learning. Most of which will be things that bore you, and another quarter will be that which interests you but is really of no value (any history before the industrial revolution, English literature). So there is about 1 hour, of useful education, if that. Seriously, of the 10+ years of school, how much do you use in life or work? You'll be lucky if it's 20%.
That's before we get into how, because teachers want to close things down, they do something kids can get on with, while they can get on with the closing down activities. The last week before breaking up is dossing.
If your kids have a passion, let them get on with it. Other than Maths, English, basic science, the rest is very much optional. You are never going to use that French vocab you studied for. By the time you go to Marseille, it'll be rusty, and you'll just be asking where the train station is. Doing a Babbel course close to the time and using Google Translate works better. That's how I managed in Italy. Oh and people will recognise you're English and reply in English.
boo23boo@reddit
At that age, yes I would take my kid out for 1 or 2 days but not a full week. Once in High School I won’t, not even for a half day. It’s hard enough trying to get my kid in to school, I can’t show any weakness in terms of undermining attendance. There are very clear stats that show the correlation between attendance and GCSE outcomes.
LittleGreenCabbage@reddit
I don't think I ever actually attended the last day of summer class. I turned out fine 🤣
Spottyjamie@reddit
You wont get fined for under 5 days
Ours missed two days near easter, no fine, staff were okay but warned us we’d get a warning letter off the council
YouWascallyWabbit@reddit
For me, personally, my child is neuro divergent and struggles with telling mistruths. But generally - I know a lot of people who take the kids out for the last day or two of term. They miss out on the parties etc but there's no academic learning going on. I might think differently about it when they're in secondary but in primary.....I dunno, why not.
Ok-Opportunity-3546@reddit
Of course. They are “just watching videos anyway”
Why stop there though? Loads of rules for “other idiots” you can ignore to make life easier…
Park in disable space to save walking in car park? It’s fine because “nobody was using it”
dinkidoo7693@reddit
My child would be off sick
DougalsTinyCow@reddit
Who cares about their side eyes? Let them take care of their own business and you take care of yours. Time for a quick tummy bug.
And kids that age are the worst for being off sick anyway, it can't be avoided when they're little.
roddz@reddit
little jimmy has D&V he cant come in today. All he'll miss is watching what ever movie the teacher has on DVD
PatserGrey@reddit
You won't get fined over a handful of days. Also, just call in sick.
We were a day late starting back in Sept last year, saved £1300.
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