Why do Soviet planes do this?
Posted by Planes_Airbus@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 128 comments
I noticed in some pictures that some older Soviet planes’ yokes turn fully to one side when the plane is not being flown. Can anyone explain why this is?
Patriot5500@reddit
Where is fuel cutoff switch?
Stegosaurus69@reddit
I thought you were talking about the teal paint
ttuilmansuunta@reddit
There was a really good bulk discount on teal paint and they simply couldn't say no
Texas_Kimchi@reddit
Comrade Ivanavich's of the Politburo's brother owned Teal Paint company, so now everything is teal (Russian business practices.)
Kiwifrooots@reddit
Looks the same colour as the anti corrosion layer almost every plane gets during production
Starchaser_WoF@reddit
I am curious about that
blychow@reddit
soviet research suggests that teal color is more friendly to eyes (least likely to increase fatigue)
Starchaser_WoF@reddit
Has western research backed that up?
Conix17@reddit
No, and what is calming and not an eyesore for one is a nightmare for another. While some may indeed prefer this color, it's not by any significant margin. Russia itself has moved away from this, as when it becomes damaged, you can lose the instruments among all the now black scratch areas that stick out for one thing.
Western planes have tried this concept, if you look up old photos of what a Mcdonnell Douglas md-80 cockpit used to look like, you'll see the same kind of color. Pilots did not react well to it or think it added anything.
Soviet planes also used a lot of weird aircraft instruments to just be different it seems at times, the attitude indicator a prime example. Shit was confusing and not 'natrual' feeling vs the western examples.
BlackJFoxxx@reddit
Honestly the difference in instruments isn't so much to be different, but simply because earlier designs were kept due to familiarity. Say, the ADI is mechanically simpler than the western globe style, and for someone who's been flying with that type all their life the globe would seem as weird as the tilting wings system to us. Same applies to the altimeter with a thousands pointer instead of the digital wheel style indicator, simpler construction and familiarity.
Pretty much the same goes for everything else, at one point there was a reason to do something different, and now it's kept just because the pilots would need to adapt to a different system with no real benefit.
Think of it the same way as knots vs km/h or feet vs m, it also feels completely alien to see kilometres if you've been using knots all your life, but for a russian pilot it's the other way around.
HorizonSniper@reddit
IIRC there was a crash where one of the causes was that the crew, who flew only Russian frames was unused to Boeing flight instruments, and got extremely confused with the ADI under heavy stress.
pouziboy@reddit
The captain being drunk didn't help too:
https://flightsafety.org/asw-article/misgauged-recovery/
gogozoo@reddit
I mean... was he even certified for flying sober?
pouziboy@reddit
His flight instructor wouldn't have that...
HorizonSniper@reddit
Oh, yeah right forgot it was the same incident
Starchaser_WoF@reddit
I see. Thank you
avrosky@reddit
the navy does the same thing lol
you can think what you like but soviet research wasn't a joke
Mercyfon@reddit
Aren't parts of US submarines slightly bright green for the same reason?
zenzvik@reddit
airbus flight decks use very similar color
suredont@reddit
the first photo I could understand a calming effect but that second blue is a lot
alphagusta@reddit
Its thought to be better than pitch black and greys.
The mindset being that a bright color, even if overly bright, is less mentally straining than staring into a black hole of dials and switches.
Whether or not there's any actual indisputable scientific fact is still up in the air.
juuceboxx@reddit
Uneducated guess, but I'm assuming it's something to do with matching the contrast of the cockpit with that of the outside. It's why 'night mode' on phones inverts all the white backgrounds to black with white text to help better match the dark outside which reduces eye strain.
Appropriate-Count-64@reddit
And that’s probably why Airbus uses a muted blue for their control panels. It’s probably the best mix of not making the cockpit a black hole while not straining the eyes at night. Though it might’ve also just have been a stylistic choice.
Lawsoffire@reddit
Airbus cockpits are also blue, so there might be something to it.
BigXthaPugg@reddit
When I was in the navy I served on a submarine and virtually every “working” space (places that weren’t for eating or sleeping) were painted either teal or seafoam green. I was told it was due to their “calming” effects.
shemp33@reddit
Designed by Tiffany & Co.
lol - no not really but kinda looks like it.
CropdustingOMdesk@reddit
Second production run not as good as first. Still paint
monsantobreath@reddit
Imagine pitch black outside or something with internal lights. I can see it.
It's found in many older American jets as well. DC9 and MD80 had blue cockpit so it was being done as recently as the 80s in the west.
Powered-by-Din@reddit
It looks kind of garish tbh but from my limited experience in flight sim games it does feel a bit more liberating than dark interiors
Pterosaurier@reddit
To my knowledge they ran an extensive series of test with the result that teal had a calming effect on pilots.
CodeMonkeyPhoto@reddit
That one time they did a human factors assessment. Everything else, oil, fuel guages, that is a maintenance problem.
KookySurprise8094@reddit
Makes sense because Teal'c is cool as fuck.
Throwaway1303033042@reddit
Indeed.
esdaniel@reddit
It pretty
CropdustingOMdesk@reddit
They made one aviation interior paint production run and that was enough for 50 years
CharacterUse@reddit
Supposedly it was found to reduce stress and fatigue. Soviet-era hospitals often had green painted corridors as well.
Alpha_Majoris@reddit
The horror of the default Windows 95 background color - the first thing I changed after doing a fresh install - something you had to do once a week to keep the thing going.
Artistic_Worker_5138@reddit
This color reminds me of the vomit in Peter Jackson’s 80’s masterpiece movie Bad Taste.
icarlythejackel@reddit
It's not really teal. It's more what we would call turquoise. The Russian tactical aircraft have a white stripe running down the middle of the instrument panel as a stick-centering aid. It's a very attractive detail for model builders.
CoyotesCrusaders@reddit
Control lock, to help protect flight controls from wind damage.
gauderio@reddit
So it's not to hit the curb if it stars rolling downhill.
CoyotesCrusaders@reddit
Only if it can fit in the roadway.
Safe_Government_2829@reddit
It works
SwagYoloMLG@reddit
Soviet era analog instruments dash’s are so beautiful and hectic to look at.
Fun-Flamingo-9789@reddit
Oh I thought OP was asking about the color of the cockpit. Anyone know why this type of color?
dronners@reddit
The Russians thought it was easier on the eye. So would help with tiredness on long trips. I believe the effectiveness is dubious.
Aggravating_Bath_351@reddit
because when you are flying, how much ground do you need to see
brandon7219@reddit
I would assume to “stow” the flight surfaces? I’m only going off my time on B-1s where we stow the horizontal stabilizer (full forward on the stick) prior to shutting down APUs.
liteflyer@reddit
It’s probably a control lock position
Individual_Dirt_3365@reddit
This is Yakovlev Yak40 and yes this yoke position is parking flight control hydraulic lock. Стопорение рулей. I used to fly it before.
HorizonSniper@reddit
Wait, for real? Cool! What line still operates them?
Individual_Dirt_3365@reddit
Vologda airline (Вологодские авиалинии) AeroBratsk Kamchatka airline. 10 aircraft total.
HorizonSniper@reddit
А куда они летают? (Where do they fly?)
TK000421@reddit
In the air
Various_Maximum_9595@reddit
Kuda means "wohin". (to which destination)
Stohnghost@reddit
Why are we using German to describe russian in English
Substantial-One1024@reddit
Because English declension has declined severely.
Stohnghost@reddit
English doesn't use declension, though, does it?!
Substantial-One1024@reddit
There are some rudiments, e.g. who/whom/whose, he/him/his, thou/thy/thine if you count Shakespearean English. I think that the plural "s" or man vs. men is also a type of declension.
HorizonSniper@reddit
Tower of Babel moment.
PlsChgMe@reddit
LOL it really is. Was is los?
jongscx@reddit
Das is Loss. | ||
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SomeRedPanda@reddit
Bring back "whither" to English.
teilani_a@reddit
Only if "whence" can come too.
throwawayplusanumber@reddit
Because German is much more precise. E.g. There are different words for (emergency) exits based on whether you drive, walk or jump through them.
boerni666@reddit
Warum nicht?
rmflow@reddit
It could also mean "mihin"
HorizonSniper@reddit
Motherf-
Take my upvote and leave.
Individual_Dirt_3365@reddit
They do domestic flights.
Leather-Ant-9551@reddit
At first read "AeroBlyatsk"...
bamilouApp@reddit
Cykairlines?
djfl@reddit
Kamloops Airlines is one of the best.
AbleArcher420@reddit
A subsidiary of Cheeki Breeki Airlines, no doubt
roy-dam-mercer@reddit
I think Petropovlovsk-Kamchatka Air, Vologoda Air, and AeroBratsk currently operate them.
shadyyxxx@reddit
"Stoporenie" in my language means "erection" 😊
EchoesInBackpack@reddit
I flew one(as a passenger)! It's loud af inside.
Individual_Dirt_3365@reddit
It is. But you have to consider it was designed 60 years ago and it was first regional jet ever built. Compare it with torboprops which flew those times and feel the difference.
Belfastscum@reddit
It's so slow!
Individual_Dirt_3365@reddit
Well indeed it was equipped with straight wing, and cruise speed was only 600 km/h (320kt) but otherwise it was able to take off and land on unpaved runways. Straight wing and low speed combined made this aircraft a perfect flying "school desk" as it was first aircraft soviet student pilots mastered during training.
PeteyMcPetey@reddit
I flew on these a few times back when Uzbek airways still used to fly them.
They're a hoot!
Atari774@reddit
It’s most likely just how they parked the plane. Often times you don’t park the plane by going straight into a spot, but you turn it into the spot instead. So the yoke is just turned to wherever it was when they put it in park. It was the same way on the few Cessna’s I flew. It doesn’t have to be perfectly straight every time you park it.
PM_ME_UR_S62B50@reddit
Communism
International-Chip60@reddit
It’s built by PMDG
49thDipper@reddit
Probably locked with the rudder
LateralThinkerer@reddit
You've heard of "design by committee"? This cockpit is a prime example...
Oh, you mean the control positions?
kw10001@reddit
Why on earth is the FMS on the overhead
Velvet_Llama@reddit
More importantly, why do they paint their cockpots that ugly color
backcountry57@reddit
They did a study of colors that reduce stress levels, this was the result. They did a bunch of other color related studies.
Pier-Head@reddit
It’s meant to be relaxing and stress reducing
FormalSlang@reddit
Has anyone else tried to find where the Cutoff switches are positioned?
PlayMyJoystick@reddit
It's like when you lock your cars steering wheel I assume, it just happens to be to the left
FloatingPooSalad@reddit
In Soviet Russia, plane fly sideways.
Powerful-Economist42@reddit
The same reason you would do this on a hill to keep the car from flying down while you're away I'm guessing
Silver-Breakfast-937@reddit
Far left and far right are their default positions.
martin@reddit
Hey-O!
bullpopbearpup@reddit
Aren't they both in the left position?
McBlemmen@reddit
no. look at the buttons on the 2nd picture
Captn-Coffee@reddit
More natural for sleepy-vodka drunk pilots
FartInGenDirection@reddit
It's because they are very left winged!
Juniper2324@reddit
In Soviet Russia, plane flies you
KronoTOC@reddit
Same way a320 locks wheels 90 degrees if uncontrollable
Shadowrend01@reddit
Control surfaces can droop when hydraulic power is removed and the system “relaxes”. Depending on the way the controls are rigged, this is likely the position they go to when “relaxed”
Pre-D@reddit
How would that manifest itself as two different yoke positions, though? I'm confused
Shadowrend01@reddit
First pic is both the left, second pic is both to the right. The different aircraft are probably rigged or balanced differently, resulting in the difference in rotation.
Some1-Somewhere@reddit
Looks like two completely different models of aircraft.
Logical-Bit-746@reddit
Hence why it makes sense they would go in two different directions
bullpopbearpup@reddit
Aren't they both in the left position?
tailwheeler@reddit
both left in the first picture.
adyrip1@reddit
They are identical, both are turned left or right.
OnTheGround_BS@reddit
They’re talking about the pairs of yokes in the two photos…. Not individual yokes in one photo.
In one photo they point left, in the other they point right.
I’d guess that it has to do with the balance of the system in each aircraft, including how the pilot left the yoke when they climbed out (if the pilot left the yoke slightly off center to one direction as they climbed out of the seat, which they most likely did, then the system would favor that direction as it “relaxes”)
RedditVirumCurialem@reddit
Different? Haven't they both gone left?
pizdec-unicorn@reddit
Most people don't know this, but Soviet aircraft could actually typically park on one wingtip, the control position maintains a nice 90 degree rotation. This way, planes can be parked closer together. Engineers also tried to figure out a way of parking on the tail, but this make it much harder for the pilots to reach the cockpit /j
(Smarter people have already actually answered the question, I'm contributing nothing)
Honestade@reddit
If we're making jokes...probably a licensing issue
Psilogy@reddit
Old Soviet planes lean to the left?
Dry-Marketing-6798@reddit
Either they have gust locks fitted, or they don't and there's a side wind
New_Line4049@reddit
Just locks probably. Most aircraft have a device they can use to lock the controls into a particular position, the idea is if the aircraft is sat outside it stops the wind banging the controls around. I think they lock the ailerons to an extreme position (full deflection left or right) as its immediately obvious the control locks are engaged. Even if you think this is just where the controls are sitting you'll have to move the yoke to centre before trying to fly, when you do that and it won't move, you know not to start running down the runway. If you lock on centre conceivably a pilot could get in, startup and taxi to the runway without knowing the locks are in. They SHOULD do control checks, that would alert them, but something as critical as the control locks being in you dont want to rely completely on the crew doing that check, as if they forget it or deliberately skip it they could be just starting to fly before they realise something is wrong, at which point they're basically fucked. By setting it up so they HAVE to move the yoke before starting the takeoff roll you pretty much pure guarantee they'll detect the locks being in before the takeoff roll.
lukluke22228@reddit
center of gravity
Coyote-Foxtrot@reddit
When the hydraulics for the control surfaces are depressurized and the controls are directly linked to them, if the control surface droops out of a neutral position the controls will be pulled with it.
Now imagine you got an ejection handle stuck around your control as you pressurized the hydraulic system!
local_meme_dealer45@reddit
Lucky for the crew the seats turned out to be 0-0 despite not being designed to be so. Truly the most Soviet method of finding out.
Medj_boring1997@reddit
Truly a great way to claim the 1st 0-0 ejection outside of test conditions
rocket_randall@reddit
Paper Skies is a truly wonderful channel
Efficient_Sky5173@reddit
Soviet planes don’t do this. Soviet pilots do.
Next question.
Stoney3K@reddit
Because the ailerons will droop to one side due to gravity or wind if they're not being powered by hydraulics.
TheFreakLessTraveled@reddit
They believe that it offers nearly as good a background given the skies are often grey or white. They also say that when the pilots are badly overmatched by US aircraft the color is soothing.
kussian@reddit
Probably a correct answer - but to another question 👍
Glad-Mongoose2914@reddit
I realize no one was asking about this but I saw this picture and was wondering about just that and saw your response haha. Thanks anyway.
samgarita@reddit
Did you not read the question?
OP: They put the little fans up there for air circulation as it can get quite hot in there, especially when facing the sun.
DNayli@reddit
He was not asking about this....