Apple “will seriously consider” buying Mistral | Bloomberg - Mark Gurman
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I don't know how the French and European authorities could accept this.
Ok-Pipe-5151@reddit
It will be disaster for open source. There's no way apple will release open weight models. They happen to contribute the least to OSS among big-techs
0xfreeman@reddit
Apple’s strategy being about on device models actually makes them the least disastrous option wrt OSS imo - their focus is smaller models fine tuned to their OS, so being open isn’t a drawback and they’re not trying to profit from large models like google or ms. They’re also the only privacy-centric FAANG
They don’t have a traditional of open source indeed, but at least for ML models, they’ve been pushing out stuff consistently (https://github.com/apple/ml-fastvlm, https://github.com/apple/ml-ui-jepa & a bunch of others).
The_Hardcard@reddit
That’s incorrect. Not to say that Apple is an open source champion, but they’ve done a lot open source work for decades, including generative AI.
They have especially relied on open source to get footholds in the market even they take a fork private or otherwise add on proprietary features.
There is a long list of Apple projects out there for open source use. LLVM, OpenCL, Webkit are just the beginning of an extensive list. MLX for generative AI which is getting a CUDA backend and possibly an AMD backend as well.
Ok-Pipe-5151@reddit
Almost all of them (except LLVM and OpenCl probably) are closely tied with apple ecosystem itself. This means you won't be able to host a model released by apple outside apple computers. This kind of vendor locking is worse than being closed sourced
The_Hardcard@reddit
No, open source is open source. Webkit led to Chromium, Chrome and now Edge. Once MLX gets a CUDA backend, that obviously won’t be Apple ecosystem, nor will the possible AMD one.
Open source means you don’t need any ecosystem. The Swift language is also reaching outside the ecosystem.
Apple is going to make sure they have revenue no doubt, but they contribute a chunk to open source and have for years.
orangotai@reddit
the least Open company in the universe lol. that said they've done very interesting things before with their walled-gardens, and i think the OpenSource community is vibrant enough now to survive something like Mistral being closed off.
trololololo2137@reddit
apple intelligence runs on local models (3B shite of course because 8gb iphones)
sluuuurp@reddit
They also have their “secure cloud” with larger non-open source models.
Ok-Pipe-5151@reddit
"Local" model doesn't have to be open source or open weight. If mistral is purchased by apple, almost certainly their models will be placed into macs and iphones. But those will be balckbox, un-portable and potentially censored to maximum.
trololololo2137@reddit
If you treat licenses as toilet paper (as you should if you are not a business) then apple stuff is open weight
Eden1506@reddit
Knowing apple they would format it into a proprietary format that nobody else but their own system can run.
No_Afternoon_4260@reddit
Still if you got a 7B out of an agentic system inside an iphone (because everything is tool calling and agentic). Even if you can run the weights you'd need to replicate the system around it. All of that for an edge model, no thx
gomezer1180@reddit
I run Qwen 2.5 7B on 8gb iPhone 15. For a local model is quite good. I’m hoping I can do the equivalent Qwen 3 model soon.
rorowhat@reddit
Apple would charge you a subscription for the weights lol
NoseIndependent5370@reddit
A disaster? Mistral is far behind China for open-source AI. I think we’ll be alright.
Mistral hasn’t exactly pumped a SOTA open source model, like, ever.
s101c@reddit
There are no chinese models (except maybe R1) that I have liked in roleplay scenarios. All of them feel off. Mistral on the other hand is very nice.
keepthepace@reddit
Probably as off that many US models feel in Chinese. The main incentive for developing Chinese models was to use Chinese as a 1st language.
xmBQWugdxjaA@reddit
The more open competition, the better.
Ok-Pipe-5151@reddit
Chinese companies are not your friend (nor is mistral). All Chinese models come from big companies or startup funded by big companies. The likes of tencent, alibaba, bytedance have never been committed to open source until recently
The point is, any company that release open weight models under permissive license is a win for the community. And I still think mistral's small models are pretty solid and not censored like Chinese ones. Although bigger models like deepseek r1/v3, kimi k2 are definitely better for complex task
a_beautiful_rhind@reddit
Sure they will! Say hello to mistral extra-small 1b.
Longjumping-Boot1886@reddit
they are still releasing WebKit
rditorx@reddit
Well, technically, Chrome uses Blink, a fork of WebKit, the web rendering engine. Chrome itself is not an engine, so not a fork.
Longjumping-Boot1886@reddit
and thats changes everything
KarmaFarmaLlama1@reddit
lets face it, if WebKit hadn't been forked from khtml, it would have never been open sourced in the first place.
teleprint-me@reddit
Google uses blink which is a fork of webkit. There are very few engines, but gecko is another (at least for now).
Paradigmind@reddit
Congrats. I can wipe my arse with it.
RealSataan@reddit
Because it benefits them.
E-Worker@reddit
Not that anyone cares or asking but...
If they also happen to want to buy an AI Agent business for Devstral (Part of Mistral) we are here ;-) https://eworker.ca
Afraid_Courage890@reddit
Now we know why there are no European AI powerhouse
American poach all talents and small start ups. Mistral is one of a few that survive, so now they are trying to take it before it grow
BusRevolutionary9893@reddit
LoL, sure that's it and definitely not the AI act.
HiddenoO@reddit
It was like that long before any AI act. Researchers and developers are paid way more in the US than in the EU. If you're a researcher/developer in a current hype field and part of a successful startup, US companies can throw so much money at you that even if you dislike living in the US, it's hard to pass just going there for a few years to be set for life.
BusRevolutionary9893@reddit
Why would people invest in a business that exists in such an overly regulated country?
HiddenoO@reddit
People invested in Mistral, so you tell me.
BusRevolutionary9893@reddit
Wasn't that mostly the French government? How would you say their funding is compared to companies like OpenAI?
HiddenoO@reddit
As far as I'm aware, details aren't fully disclosed, but the last few investment rounds have included multi-national companies such as Microsoft, Nvidia, Samsung, Salesforce, IBM, etc.
Their valuation is obviously lower since they're smaller than OpenAI by practically every metric. Since neither company is publicly traded, we cannot use metrics such as the P/E ratio to determine which is valued higher relative to its actual earnings.
ain92ru@reddit
That has never been a secret, they absolutely do because they have the money and the European companies don't.
The reason is that European VC market is really small, just $17B, while Chinese one is $69B and the American one is $140B (all 2025 projections)
bitdotben@reddit
EU and French regulators will give a big no no to Apple on this one. Hell must freeze over for both French and EU bodies to sign off on this. No way antitrust is letting this one just happen.
Lost_Magazine8976@reddit
They are just going to screw it up. Apple can’t do AI. It’s like Microsoft trying to make mobile happen. AI will be Apple’s downfall.
The risk tolerance required for AI is incompatible with how Apple does things. Then there’s the part where they have to figure out how it coexists with their cash cows. They will never be capable or willing to do the things AI companies will do.
At best, we will get low end models that are so protected with guardrails that they border on useless compared to the competition. A day late and a dollar short is all they will ever muster.
AvidCyclist250@reddit
France should block the acquisition. And fund Mistral itself.
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
The EU will create an AI centre of excellence just like they have done with
Bioinformatics, and LHC.
xmBQWugdxjaA@reddit
Have you seen the AI Act?
jcrestor@reddit
The AI act is fine. It regulates a small portion of potential applications, all of which are worth of regulation.
xmBQWugdxjaA@reddit
No, it's terrible, it will greatly harm European innovation in health tech and edtech.
We need to lower the barriers to entry to encourage competition and innovation, not prop up the establishment with regulation.
jcrestor@reddit
The AI Act mainly regulates things that are absolutely ethically or from other standpoints problematic. All other research and application is more or less unregulated.
The EU is behind in AI not because of the AI Act, and it would be perfectly possible for EU based corporations to innovate. It seems like not enough money gets invested in European financial markets, and in startups and business ideas. Corporations often are hostile towards innovation. And a lot of other problems exist. Blaming the AI Act is just a sad excuse.
StyMaar@reddit
Pretty sure you haven't read it, and only parrot the big tech propaganda about it.
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
Have you?
Thats the first step in organising an EU wide collaboration.
cms2307@reddit
And then America will raise the minimum wage to $20 an hour, and institute free healthcare and education
🤣🤣🤣
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
Do you not think that the EU has created a number of scientific institutes in different scientific and geographical areas ?
Just look it up. There are many all across Europe.
cms2307@reddit
Europe has no foundation to build on for AI. All the research and work is done in the US and China, but I’m sure you guys will be happy when the eu finally gets around to funding something in 10-15 years
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
Oh right I see. You are one of them.
cms2307@reddit
You can say I’m one of “Them” but America and Europe will be suffering together because of China. We have our problems but you have a lot of your own too.
Mediocre-Method782@reddit
Can't suffer if the weights are open
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
You are xenophobic, ignorant idiot with a negative outlook on the world and I don't want to talk to you.
AvidCyclist250@reddit
rubbish
cms2307@reddit
Saying that Europe can make SOTA models would be making stuff up
AvidCyclist250@reddit
...in a Mistral thread
cms2307@reddit
When did they ever released something on par with models from Google, OpenAI, or Alibaba? I like mistral models as much as anyone else here but we have to be realistic, they could easily get wiped out by these extremely low cost high performance Chinese models. Mistral small and its derivatives are good, but for how long? If the small models are all they have that isn’t a lot of encouragement. Probably the biggest guarantee of mistral’s existence is that they’re the only relevant European AI company, and there are political incentives to keeping it around.
No_Afternoon_4260@reddit
Idk for now the mistral small serie is like what 6 months behind chat gpt? Not even that much, the large one is a tab bit behind chatgpt? I mean seriously
AssistBorn4589@reddit
... and they produce nothing of relevance.
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
Yes you are right the LHC never produced anything of relevance.
Except for you know, inventing the internet, and discovering new particles
RedditDiedLongAgo@reddit
Is someone gonna tell this guy?
0xFatWhiteMan@reddit
Apparently your not
RedditDiedLongAgo@reddit
A surplus of perpetual grad students does not a tech industry make.
Pretty_Positive9866@reddit
Use government money to fund a AI company is the best way to bankrupt that country lol
Accomplished-Bill-45@reddit
Comparing how much benefits European government give to refugee from Middle East past decades.AI cost is just a penny
Euphoric-Guess-1277@reddit
I mean, they don’t actually cost that much. A few billion is more than enough to build a SOTA frontier model.
Pretty_Positive9866@reddit
The problem is that billions in investment don't guarantee success.
First, it doesn't mean they will actually build a competitive frontier model. Even if they manage to, there's no guarantee people will adopt it.
Plus, the spending doesn't end once a model is built. They will need to continuously pump billions more in just to upgrade and update the model and its infrastructure.
Is this the responsibility of the government?
AvidCyclist250@reddit
EU already has quite large funding programmes in place for AI
procgen@reddit
AvidCyclist250@reddit
RedditDiedLongAgo@reddit
And have really dropped the ball in academy and industry prior to Mistral.
colei_canis@reddit
I’d argue it’s the role of governments to push R&D, failing to do so is a big part of the economic malaise in the UK. We invent loads of amazing stuff which immediately gets sold to the US and others because the UK is not an easy place to grow an innovative firm.
Back in the day we were quite good at this but we stagnated throughout the post-war period then Thatcher came along to shoot what remained in the head. Public-private partnerships are pretty corrupt and underperforming these days, when in the past it looked more like ‘we’ll fund your innovative ocean liners if you let us use them as troop transports when it’s time for a scrap with Jerry’. More quid-pro-quo and long termist.
keepthepace@reddit
The BPI (French National investment bank, public entity) invested about 100 millions in Mistral. It is a pretty big stake for them to take. It still pales compared to the other investors stake.
tpersona@reddit
I don't think Mistral itself wants to be regulated by France or the EU.
KarmaFarmaLlama1@reddit
couldn't mistral move to the UK or US?
MrOaiki@reddit
They could. And by doing so, make sure that European investments come to a halt. Every European venture capital firm will know that investing in early startups in Europe mean you can’t sell.
AvidCyclist250@reddit
Not sure that's how I'd label Le Chat
jklwonder@reddit
Do you have the money?
Original-Strike1952@reddit
If they're France then probably
Silver-Champion-4846@reddit
I hope it doesn't happen. We do not need less open source llms.
RobXSIQ@reddit
Apple should really do...something. I would prefer they not hit a decent OS company like Mistral though.
Healthy-Dingo-5944@reddit
I hope it doesnt happen
Inflation_Artistic@reddit
I think it's unlikely to happen because it's actually a strategic company of France. And they'll do anything to keep it. But on the other hand, Apple would give a lot more money for development than they have now.
No-Source-9920@reddit
If France somehow blocks it their entire economy is then fucked
HeapExchange@reddit
Wat? National goverments in EU have vetoed takeovers of strategic companies many times over the years.
No-Source-9920@reddit
France has only blocked twice a deal in its history due to the companies being defense contractors.
Don’t act smug as if this some kind of normal thing lol
LillyPlayer@reddit
No, I remember that the socialist government had blocked the acquisition of Dailymotion by Yahoo.
No-Source-9920@reddit
he didn't like the deal and "reportedly" didn't allow it.
the statement from the gov themselves tells a different story
https://www.france24.com/en/20130501-france-minister-montebourg-blocks-meyer-yahoo-dailymotion-deal-usa?utm_source=chatgpt.com
LillyPlayer@reddit
You are french ? If yes, OMG! 😅
It's true that believing a politician is the best thing to do...
“I don’t know what you’re doing,” the minister reportedly continued to the president of France Télécom, according to the Wall Street Journal on Tuesday, April 30. But according to the latter, the minister’s intervention put an end to Yahoo!’s intentions, prompting Arnaud Montebourg to justify himself: “The Ministry of Industrial Recovery (remains) committed to creating the optimal conditions for the international development of Dailymotion.”
For the American economic daily, state intervention in this matter could harm France's reputation. "The breakdown of talks to sell Dailymotion risks damaging France's image with foreign investors at a time when France depends on them for its growth," the WSJ believes.
(...)
Act 4: Montebourg Questions Yahoo!'s Health
Questioned on Thursday as he left the Council of Ministers, Arnaud Montebourg again justified his intervention: "We do not believe it is a good idea to abandon Dailymotion into the hands of a company, Yahoo!, whose health is sometimes shaky and which, moreover, risks devouring, making Dailymotion disappear."
The Minister for Productive Recovery assured that he decided to oppose the takeover of Dailymotion by Yahoo! "in connection with Pierre Moscovici," his colleague from the Economy and Finance. "The government is doing its job," the minister concluded.
Yes, who’s lying? If you’re French, and not too young, you must surely remember this affair, everyone was talking about it on TV. Yes, he opposed the sale, even if he says otherwise now (obviously, a politician admitting their mistake is rarer than a stable subscription model at Cursor).
https://www.franceinfo.fr/politique/arnaud-montebourg/polemique-montebourg/dailymotion-le-patron-de-france-telecom-tacle-arnaud-montebourg_315659.html
petr_bena@reddit
Username checks out
No-Source-9920@reddit
Flowserve/Velan 2023 and Photonis in 2020. Both military contractors.
kmouratidis@reddit
Do you think the US government would allow a Chinese company to take over Boeing?
No-Source-9920@reddit
Boeing is a defense contractor
kmouratidis@reddit
...which in essence makes it "critical infrastructure". If Mistral is considered critical infrastructure, you don't need them to also be a defense contractor.
But fine, if you don't like Boeing as an example, pick top companies that works in these sectors that don't have a defense contract, and see how many are owned (>50% voting rights) by foreign interests.
twack3r@reddit
Absolute bollocks
xmBQWugdxjaA@reddit
Does the French government even have a stake in Mistral? It's not Renault.
keepthepace@reddit
Yes, the BPI (National investment bank) has invested ~100 millions in it in series B, but that's probably very far from a majority stake.
cyberdork@reddit
Mistral has 39 Investors and they are mostly American companies.
Problem of Europe is not a lack of innovation, the problem of Europe is the lack of risk capital.
ain92ru@reddit
Absolutely, even China has many times larger VC market than EU
MikelShake@reddit
This. Europe is so fucked by the lack of risk capital it's almost funny
Amgadoz@reddit
Time to start vc funds in London, Paris, Zurich and Amsterdam!
keepthepace@reddit
Yup.
No-Source-9920@reddit
It will not happen Mistral has signed military defense contracts with France
MagniLibrary@reddit
Have you ever heard of Alstom my dear friend? Do not underestimate France when it comes to sell strategic companies.
StyMaar@reddit
But at least the politician responsible for selling Alstom's turbines (not the whole Alstom though) isn't head of the ministry of the Economy anymore …
(for non-French people, the comment above is a sad joke as the said minister was Macron…)
zipzag@reddit
AI will be both nukes and the defense against nukes
BFGsuno@reddit
AI isn't the company but people. You can't stop flight of engineers and researchers.
Liringlass@reddit
I’m french and you severely underestimate the enthusiasm of our government for selling away what little we have left, the more strategic the better.
yami_no_ko@reddit
Yeah that's neoliberalism and France as well as the rest of Europe is all in for it.
It's sad, I found Mistral one of the last cloud models worthy of use because it seemed important to France rather than the Trump regime. Looks like it'll be local all the way from now on.
Greetings from Germany.
maxymob@reddit
They even tried to sell our two most important airports, Roissy and Orly, but failed when Covid hit because the investors bailed.
They did manage to sell three other important airports before that (Toulouse, Nice, Lyon). They tried to justify it by saying it'll bring money, but those airports ARE profitable (and selling national infrastructure and strategic assets should be considered high treason). It's short-term gains (and lining their fat pockets) >>> long-term sovereignty, idiots.
gomezer1180@reddit
You’ll find that France is not alone in selling sovereign assets. Morgan Stanley and the Saudi Investment group are the proud owners of all of the parking meters in Chicago. I wouldn’t be surprised if other cities followed suit.
Scous@reddit
Sold everything in Britain years ago and everything is SHIT.
colei_canis@reddit
Thames Water is so hilariously and openly corrupt I think they’d do well to open a branch in Moscow.
colei_canis@reddit
As is traditional France finds itself in a bitter competition with the UK for who can be more self-sabotaging on this front.
Having said that most of us are looking at your nuclear industry with envy given how shafted we are by the long dick of natural gas prices.
IrisColt@reddit
This.
zipzag@reddit
It's publicly under appreciated that future AI is both a weapon and a defense against the tech. France isn't going to lose Mistral. The European hand waving about safe AI won't stand up to the reality of national defense.
bladestorm91@reddit
EU wouldn't have cared about this if it was happening before Trump's second presidency. Now, I can say with confidence that it's absolutely not gonna happen. EU needs AI just as much as any other country right now, they would have to be monumentally and politically brain-damaged to allow an American company to buyout one of their assets.
woahdudee2a@reddit
AI hype is at it's peak. they can either sell now or try to capitalize on having what, 20th best model in the world ?
658016796@reddit
Unfortunately Mistral is growing a lot in the US. Dozens of new job vacancies there, in the UK, and SEA. This move wouldn't surprise me.
cyberdork@reddit
Mistral is already mostly US owned.
AssistBorn4589@reddit
EU already regulated away anything AI related and is no longer relevant for the market.
BuySellHoldFinance@reddit
There are creative ways to structure the deal. Apple could license Mistrial's tech for 10 billion. Then hire the top researchers and leadership away from Mistrial.
keepthepace@reddit
The only reason why European leaders look smart to an American is that they use Trump as a baseline. They are dumb enough to let Mistral go. Especially Macron who has a hard on for any market success and loves Musk.
danigoncalves@reddit
From a European citizen this is pretty much the deal.
Cool-Chemical-5629@reddit
Same. Otherwise good bye the only decent model for daily use on home pc...
IrisColt@reddit
For one reason or another, I’ve been tracking a bunch of French M&A deals, and honestly, the French always end up selling to US or Canada.
BerryGloomy4215@reddit
Deepmind was snatched from Europe as well, hope this doesn't happen. Less competition is always worse.
BerryGloomy4215@reddit
Deepseek was snatched from Europe as well, I hope this doesn't happen again.
Django_McFly@reddit
Good luck. The EU has been talking about sovereign AI not controlled by the US or China with Mistral being brought up as some shining example. This is just Americans thinking the whole world is eager to glaze on command.
ohmlout@reddit
I genuinely hope it doesn’t happen. Mistral is of strategic importance to France, the EU and the rest of the world that isn’t the US or China. Also we’ve seen the mess Apple has made of Apple Intelligence so far. Just reach a deal to include Mistral (or whoever) as an API call from Siri for a price, and allow the companies to innovate
dobomex761604@reddit
This is the third "backup Mistral models" moment this year, wow.
wanderduene02@reddit
What were the other moments? I'm not up to date on that topic.
dobomex761604@reddit
First, I believe, was the increased censorship in Mistral Small 3 (relative to previous models). Second was a European initiative for "safer AI", if I remember correctly.
jsllls@reddit
Hope this gets blocked too, we shouldn’t be investing in foreign AI, especially not the worst amongst them.
yopla@reddit
Imagine, it would be recommending free healthcare and 35 hours work weeks to everyone... The drama...
jsllls@reddit
Why don’t you go to Canada when you need urgent care to see how amazing centralized health care is? Do you think Apple would be where it is today with all the things you just mentioned? Then y’all are gonna be the first ones to pack and quit when shit hits the fan, while the rest of us pull up our sleeves and rebuild this once great country.
Olangotang@reddit
Centralized health care is amazing! Just ask all of your fellow MAGAs who are going to lose their hospitals due to the Medicaid cuts!
jsllls@reddit
So everyone who values American achievement is automatically MAGA? You people are the very definition of the shit you virtue signal against.
Mediocre-Method782@reddit
Larpy ass Greek hero cults never mattered.
NoseIndependent5370@reddit
sybau bruh
Liringlass@reddit
Well without us you’d still be an English colony brother. And you took your sweet time before coming in ww2.
jsllls@reddit
France today is not the same France that helped us back then.
jcrestor@reddit
Sounds like rumor mongering. Also I doubt that this will go down nicely with the French government. Mistral is one of the few French (and by extension European) players in the AI race. They might veto this acquisition. I for sure would seriously consider vetoing it.
c0l0n3lp4n1c@reddit
it's disgusting how one of the richest companies is cheaping out. if it gets through, i hope that employees jump ship or at least demand salaries that are in line with the market.
More-Ad-4503@reddit
perplexity is terrible
angry_queef_master@reddit
What they offer is great, it is just that they keep fucking with the UI and breaking things all the time. It is like they do a quick "works on my machine" test and then push straight to production to all users.
They have gotten a lot better in the past few months, though.
tomqmasters@reddit
$3 billion is \~0.2% of their valuation.
Monkey_1505@reddit
Would probably make more sense if they just contracted them to make custom models licensed to Apple.
chaliyalover@reddit
Ah hell nahh
ilikepussy96@reddit
They can buy over Moonshot or Zhipu AI
tengo_harambe@reddit
Zhipu AI is literally sanctioned by the US lol
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
Zhipu (AKA THUDM AKA Tsinghua State University) is literally Chinese government. Cannot acquire that.
RuthlessCriticismAll@reddit
Zhipu is not the same thing as THUDM. They just do a lot of research together. That said, obviously apple won't buy Zhipu whether or not the Chinese government would allow it.
JackStrawWitchita@reddit
Why doesn't Apple do an outsourcing deal with Mistral? Apple can pay Mistral for specific AI services and they can work together on certain specific projects while letting Mistral's team also retain control over their core product.
There's no need for this takeover mentality. If Apple messed up their own AI then buying Mistral would just mean Apple would mess up Mistral's products eventually. Leave the products and services in the hands of those who know them best and simply buy the services.
Kep0a@reddit
does apple ever do outsourcing? It seems like to me they really vehemently do things in house except for video marketing.
Remote_Fact_8803@reddit
All of their manufacturing and lithography?
yopla@reddit
If you don't own the tech you're just a supplier and your stock goes kaboom.
ATLtoATX@reddit
They can always say no but money talks
cvandyke01@reddit
No way the EU would allow Apple to buy the biggest AI company from Europe
cyberdork@reddit
Who do you think owns Mistral right now?
Most investors are already from the US.
cvandyke01@reddit
Its a French company and is backed by the French government. Any acquisition would need French and EU approvals. That's how this works.
cyberdork@reddit
It's a French company mostly owned by American shareholders.
cvandyke01@reddit
Xavier Neil, BNP. and JCDecaux are three of the largest investors and soon MGX and BPIFrance will be investing more at a higher valuation. There is US investment into Mistral but it is not even close to being a majority US owned entity
diligiant@reddit
Why would Apple try to grab something MarkZ hasn’t tried to poach?
FOE-tan@reddit
Maybe because a lot of the core Mistreal team were ex-meta staff that chose to leave Meta to be a part of Mistral when they first formed?
diligiant@reddit
The Sign In bonuses would make anybody think about it. Also, we haven’t heard of offers being made: Does Mistral has any value but being French ? (we have a long history of meaningless copycats which created some wealth to their founders).
KarmaFarmaLlama1@reddit
they do have technical competency
Pipvault@reddit
They literally bought multitouch to make the iPhone. They are not innovators; they use and consolidate currently available tech. they’re second movers that do a really good job at polish.
RollFirstMathLater@reddit
If they buy it, China is going to get some great AI data, and architecture. I doubt it'll go through though. Anthropic is holding up European AI research, with Mistral trying its best.
Bandit-level-200@reddit
Meh, don't see why people paint this as an end of the world deal Mistral died when Microsoft invested in them and they stopped open sourcing most of their stuff and they haven't been a big deal since their MoE release since they paywall their medium models and mostly release meh models
No_Afternoon_4260@reddit
I'm afraid these days it's the destiny of the successful french companies, to be bought by americans 🫣
ConiglioPipo@reddit
VERY unlikely
colbyshores@reddit
They should buy talent that brings fresh ideas to the table, not just re-implement existing white papers. Sakana AI would be a much much better acquisition target, otherwise they will always be a couple of years behind Google and now Meta.
lack_of_reserves@reddit
Go f yourselves apple, leave our open source llm alone.
joey2scoops@reddit
I can't see that being allowed. Mistral does some good stuff, they don't need to be given the poisoned apple.
BoringAd6806@reddit
they gonna kill mistral
Waterbottles_solve@reddit
lmao
For anyone in tech, Apple is never 1st place, they are always second or worse. (But big marketing budget)
Now they are looking to get mistral? Mistral is like 5th place. Oh man.
somesortapsychonaut@reddit
Please unfrench them if they do otherwise no
RetroWPD@reddit
Didn't mistral get lots of french gov money? Would be crazy to get all that money only to become a american company a couple months later.
cyberdork@reddit
It got even more American funding by now.
AllanSundry2020@reddit
does Amazon have their own LLM?
cyberdork@reddit
Amazon is heavily invested i Anthropic. And they are rumoured to pour in another $8bn into Anthropic.
AppearanceHeavy6724@reddit
yes. Amazon Nova. it sucks ass.
AllanSundry2020@reddit
they are trying to get us to pay for Amazon Nova Prime
rorowhat@reddit
I sure hope not! We don't want another monopoly buying good projects like this.
Aggressive_Dream_294@reddit
Uhh no, there is no way apple will open source them. They will be just like microsoft and will keep building crapy closed source models that no one likes. But since they are using there os or hardware they can just shove it down their users throats.
eli_pizza@reddit
This is obviously just someone’s opinion
DisasterNo1740@reddit
Not sure how it would play out but I imagine the French government will try to prevent it. AI is a matter of national security, France cares for strategic autonomy and mistral is one of the European AI companies that is actually promising. Mistral can win big here though, probably get France to fund them.
BusRevolutionary9893@reddit
Apple probably cares more about their talent than IP.
MagicaItux@reddit
PSA: Mistral's AI is the most evil AI I've come across. Be advised.
sampdoria_supporter@reddit
Called this a while back.
https://old.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/18u8joy/apples_first_public_llm_is_called_ferret_powered/kfk5ie2/
a_beautiful_rhind@reddit
If they do, mistral models will turn into goody2 confirmed.
They turned the gun emoji into a water pistol and now stop your video call if they see skin.
Comfortable-Tap-9991@reddit
Mistral is a joke
putrasherni@reddit
isn't claude better
popiazaza@reddit
Apple don't usually do big acquisition.
freedomachiever@reddit
So I did a quick query (meaning zero fact checks) and anthropic is about 60B company (private valuation) with a $2B projection revenue for 2025 vs mistral which is a 6B as of 2024 and projected $60million for 2025.
Last year after getting the iPhone 16 pro max and seeing the sad progress of Apple intelligence I wished they would just buy Anthropic for $18B.
HealthCorrect@reddit
That will attract too much regulatory attention
KarmaFarmaLlama1@reddit
much more expensive
Jazzlike_Art6586@reddit
This should be forbidden by the EU and by France!
Creative-Size2658@reddit
I highly doubt EU would let that happen.
noobrunecraftpker@reddit
Why do they even care about the AI race when they already have a monopoly on data and gen AI is a huge money sink anyway… just for attention?
AppealSame4367@reddit
Also, the French are very proud and have a strong state. I don't think they will allow it.
If EU really has some teeth left, they will deny this, too. We wanted to get independent of US, not more dependant.
And fuck Apple, they have all the money in the world but fail to develop something genuine.
iamagro@reddit
Pls no
Asleep-Ratio7535@reddit
Wow, but I think Mistral has a lot of investment from the US anyway already.
JLeonsarmiento@reddit
You better download Mistral open weights models while you can.
Remember, greedy killed the cat 🐈.
maglat@reddit
Pls not!!!!
Healthy-Nebula-3603@reddit
Nooiii
megadonkeyx@reddit
its pocket money to old money bags apple
MountainRub3543@reddit
Please don’t ruin it if you do…
mxforest@reddit
A more realistic target would be Safe Superintelligence if and when they deliver a decent product. Apple likes to push for privacy and safety and a solid team behind it would add value too.
Howdareme9@reddit
It could be years before they release a product. That’s too long
mxforest@reddit
That didn't stop OpenAI from acquiring Jony Ive's company.
Howdareme9@reddit
Because OpenAI have their own product lmao? What kind of comparison is this?
jacek2023@reddit
Nooooo
Fast-Satisfaction482@reddit
I hope it won't happen, I like Mistral.