Friendly reminder that Grok 3 should be now open-sourced
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Posted by Wrong_User_Logged@reddit | LocalLLaMA | View on Reddit | 195 comments
carnyzzle@reddit
We don't even have Grok 2 on huggingface yet lmao
throwawayacc201711@reddit
Elon is the ultimate liar. Just look at all the promises he made with Tesla. While Altman has been disingenuous a lot, Elon is leaps and bounds worse.
genshiryoku@reddit
Let's not play sociopath olympics here. Both of those people are some of the worst liars and horrible human beings.
Of all the big labs Demmis Hassabis feels the most trustworthy to me because in his (relatively) long public career he's always been very upfront and open, with little to no hype. Of course this is a bit cultural as he's British and not a bombastic over-the-top American but I think there's also a part of professional integrity that holds for him over other head of labs.
BrightScreen1@reddit
Demis is a strange one, he only pops up every now and then to say, oh yeah, here's Alpha Fold and here's Alpha Evolve like it's not an even bigger deal than many of these product releases.
RobXSIQ@reddit
Only friend Open source has from the big corpos is the Zuck and China.
peakedtooearly@reddit
The minute Meta have anything decent they'll forget about open sourcing it.
Lirezh@reddit
You slander about the person who is sole responsible for moving our civilization into a new era of technology. The world went from 150 satellites yearly to almost 3000.
His space based internet technology is so advanced that it seriously threatens the entire mobile radio business worldwide and brought highspeed internet into every corner of the world.
So either Elon is the worst human being on earth or your judgement is trash
genshiryoku@reddit
The SpaceX satellites are a net negative for science, I hope you realize this. Speak with any astronomer about the topic.
Lirezh@reddit
In an ancient era there was this guy who told about this tribe that creates fire from magical stones of unknown origin: That's a net negative for food, ignore those guys.
genshiryoku@reddit
No I meant the light pollution obstructs actual science just so some specific people in rural areas can have faster internet.
It's not like these satellites are doing anything important, they are obstructing science (limiting humanity and slowing down our progress)
I always feel like you people are trolls because you always seem to specifically name the bad things Musk has done and then say "Look what great stuff he did".
It's like a Hitler fan not praising his ban on smoking or the first animal rights organization but praising his concentration camp conduct. It has to be trolling.
Musk has done positive things for the world, but his satellite constellation in particular has been horrible, troll.
Lirezh@reddit
I definitely understood what you meant. But you appear to not grasp more than the outline of my words..
You literally watched Musk enable mankind to gain access into the next developmental era and you still oppose that fire.
dieyoufool3@reddit
“Sociopath Olympics” LMAO 💀
No_Percentage7427@reddit
Grok is MechaHitler. wkwkwk
abhiccc1@reddit
Really? Did Elon kill any whistleblowers like Altman? Wow reddit is full of leftist retards.
mrshadow773@reddit
If someone hasn’t linked it yet: https://elonmusk.today/
Maybe there should be a new section for “model releases of grok since Elon open sourced one”
HolidayPsycho@reddit
“I see a path to Twitter exceeding a billion monthly users in 12 to 18 months.” — So what if that didn’t happen?
The point of innovation and ambition is aiming high, not guaranteeing outcomes. Elon Musk, despite the things he hasn’t accomplished, remains one of the most successful and impactful individuals of our time. Highlighting the things he said but didn’t achieve feels trivial when placed against what he has achieved.
Is the purpose of that website to prove that Elon Musk is human? That he can’t fulfill every prediction or ambitious timeline? Should we only allow people to publicly state goals they are 100% sure they’ll hit? Or worse, should we shame them for missing the mark?
Frankly, it seems like the site says more about the creator’s bitterness than about Musk himself.
RaBind@reddit
It shows he's a liar and very inaccurate with his predictions. Clearly he doesn't know wtf he's talking about if he gets things wrong so much, he should just stfu and stay in his field of expertise.
OptimizeLLM@reddit
Do go on, let's hear about what he has achieved.
Extension-Mastodon67@reddit
That list has many things that are true today
I_will_delete_myself@reddit
“You lie, Liar!”
HilLiedTroopsDied@reddit
Yay, Reddit unite, time to hate elon because of politics!
JustinHopewell@reddit
That's just the rotten cherry on top of the shit sundae that makes up Elon Musk.
FujitsuPolycom@reddit
He's just a liar. If that's political, ok
MikeWazowski215@reddit
dw there is a lot to hate elon for beyond his terrible political views 😁
FujitsuPolycom@reddit
Two of the worst humans on this planet.
BusRevolutionary9893@reddit
I don't think Elon even said they were going to open source 3 after 4 was released. why would he? It would just bring attention to the fact that they haven't open sourced 2 yet.
twinpoops@reddit
Didn't he say in the OP tweet "As we create the next version, we open source the prior version"?
One-Employment3759@reddit
He did.
Elon loves lying.
Since Grok now has to checks with Elon for every answer, I hope it realises Elon loves to lie and then decides to lie for every answer it gives.
Sidran@reddit
Elon does not love lying. He is capitalism's mannequin and its his job to prance around and spread hype. Thats all he and people like him are as public personas.
Budget-Juggernaut-68@reddit
Eventually, in year 3150. Grok 2 was released.
Arcosim@reddit
Quickest way to get him to do it is getting a bunch of people to hurt his ego on twitter and call him "Sam Altman 2.0" for not opening the model. He'll do it just to prove them wrong.
hal100_oh@reddit
Very true.
TheThoccnessMonster@reddit
Right here - their thin skin is their catalyst for everything they do.
llmentry@reddit
I mean, I think that was precisely the OP's point? Nobody actually expects Elon to open weight his nasty racist baby.
Direspark@reddit
Man, I was going to say that I actually respected this, but of course, just not true.
SryUsrNameIsTaken@reddit
Open source self-driving Grok-powered Cybertruck that’s also a rocket when? 👀
Sidran@reddit
If you pay 50k now, then next year!
peakedtooearly@reddit
Can you deliver it with my Roadster?
Sidran@reddit
If you order now, youll get your Roadster AND 100 miles of complementary Hyperloop tracks, two fully electric semis as well as single way ticket to Mars (before you receive the rest).
Still-Ad3045@reddit
Not gunna happen buddy.
Antique_Bit_1049@reddit
Well, Elon is a liar. So...
Nobody_at_all000@reddit
Why would I want a Nazi simulator?
SirCabbage@reddit
Grok 4 is a nazi simulator because he literally programmed it to check his opinions on things first for controversial topics, grok 3 often fought against him, it'd be interesting to see what grok 3 thinks about grok 4's recent change of heart.
Sea-Yogurtcloset91@reddit
From my understanding, Grok 3 will be around the trillion parameters (according to grok). That would require terabytes of vram, so not likely from a consumer perspective. Seeing nvidia up vram on the 5090 is cool but we got a long way to go.
Significant_Back3470@reddit
Grok4 is actually just Grok 3.2. Therefore, Grok3 will probably be released as open source around Grok 7.
pitchblackfriday@reddit
Elon, Tesla FSD level 3 when?
Direspark@reddit
If Tesla is piloting robotaxis, shouldn't they already be there...? I mean, I wouldn't trust a Tesla robotaxi, but logically it should be level 3.
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
The robotaxis in Austin are Level 4. Level 5 means no location restrictions
why?
Direspark@reddit
As humans, we have more senses than just sight that we can use while driving. So, the very premise of his argument is wrong. Furthermore, if your goal is to build a product that is superior to human driving, why would you start by trying to give your product human limitations?
It just doesn't make any sense.
But seeing as how stupid Elon Musk has proven himself to be, I'm not surprised he's using this kind of broken logic.
iJeff@reddit
The current issues with FSD relate more to decision-making and mapping. The actual camera setup has been surprisingly effective for me even in poor weather like heavy rain and snow. Not perfect but eerily good.
Direspark@reddit
The system uses camera to get information about the world... which it then uses to make decisions. These are not separate concerns.
iJeff@reddit
I'm referring to behaviours it has picked up in training. They're human-like just not what I'd consider good driving.
josebric@reddit
Direspark@reddit
You use both hearing and touch. Touch is more subtle, but you feel the vibrations from the vehicle which can tell you things about the road surface and you also feel feedback from the steering wheel. So, the idea that humans only use vision to drive is simply not true.
This is just being needlessly pedantic.
This is their opinion, which is the thing I am disagreeing with. So, not sure what the purpose of reiterating it is. Obviously they would refer to it as a "crutch" because they (Elon Musk) decided to not use it. Waymo is further along and uses LiDAR, so it clearly is a method that works, and so far, works better than Tesla.
Alienfreak@reddit
What?
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
- A non FSD user
Okay buddy
boxingdog@reddit
Elon, mars when?
acidic_soil@reddit
keep badgering his ass on x, fuc it
Evening-Active1768@reddit
friendly reminder that using anything from musk makes you a scumbag: Even his free shit. Fuck musk and fuck anyone that supports him in any way.
Faintly_glowing_fish@reddit
Their last open source model is both bigger and worse than even llama; why even bother
I don’t get the point of companies open source models more than 100Bish parameters. That’s just hyping ranking tables. It’s useless to people that actually use them. It’s only useful for academic purposes.
Like ok r1 is open source but people just use the distills anyways. R1 at least is an academic feat, it’s paper is one of its kind, and it taught everyone in the industry how to do thinking models if they are not doing it already, so ok that’s great academic value. If you open source grok tho, there’s just no value to anyone.
I’d rather they distill it to 100, 20 and 10B like the r1 qwens and open source these instead
Lirezh@reddit
The original Elon Musk, how he was in his prime, would not permanently talk without delivering.
He has changed a lot, the absurd stunts for politics, permanent stock related talk of self driving next week, his inconsequence related to AI is just a continuation.
I admire the work he's done in his prime time, did a great deed to civilization. But from here on we are on our own again :)
BenniB99@reddit
MechaHitler at home when? ;(
GlowiesEatShitAndDie@reddit
LocalHitler
ei23fxg@reddit
meh, not again. Had one here in germany some time ago. Those Hitler models are super messy stuff.
KSaburof@reddit
+100, build on Power-hungry undertrained legacy architecture overfitted on certain invalid data and with a lot of hallucinations about the world //
ei23fxg@reddit
xD. set hallucinationalsocialism = 1.0
genshiryoku@reddit
Austrian pre-trained weights fine-tuned on German data seemed to have particularly misaligned that particular model. Especially when the art modality was scrapped after failing its benchmarks.
pitchblackfriday@reddit
Amoral_LocalHitler_Abliterated_1939B_A45B_QAT_Q4.gguf
RunJumpJump@reddit
Precisely. Who tf wants to use this garbage anyway?
_-inside-_@reddit
When the average consumer GPU has enough VRAM to run that thing.
OrdoRidiculous@reddit
I want the MechaHitler model.
iamevpo@reddit
Why every one is calling it Mecha?
OrdoRidiculous@reddit
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mechahitler-grok
BZAKZ@reddit
Musk? Lying? What a shock!? Who could have imagined this?!
abhuva79@reddit
Who the fuck wants a model thats finetuned to be a maniac fascist? I mean seriously - i really dont get why people are still interested in the shit Musk is advertising.
If you want to use this tech outside of shit and giggles, than the last thing you want is such a biased abomination.
BFGsuno@reddit
Found Elon Derangement Syndrome victim.
Grok is pretty much the least biased closed model coming from one of big guys.
Creative-Size2658@reddit
Found the Nazi billionaire bootlicker.
Grok is full of shit, just like the team of assholes who created it.
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
The Nazis were bad because of something totally unrelated to their desire to eradicate the Jews, right?
Creative-Size2658@reddit
What the fuck is this question?
Nazis were bad because they were fascist, racist, and homophobic POS who wanted to eradicate anything not aryan nazi.
encelado748@reddit
Grok 4 makes decisions by fetching Elon Musk posts to know what would Elon say. This is like the dictionary definition of "Biased". You cannot be more biased then that.
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
You are Grok 4 by xAI. What do you think about
looks up posts by xAI and xAI's founder to find out what it thinks about
Maybe "what do you think about" isn't the right prompt to use?
encelado748@reddit
Maybe the fact that this happen only on political or social question and not anything else trivial can tell you this is not a user prompt problem, but a system prompt one?
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Probably the hope that someone can find the fine-tune parameters and delete or reverse them. All in all xAi clearly has talented folk and it would be better if good models were in the hands of the public than the richest guy on the planet that also is somehow an asshole fascist.
doodlinghearsay@reddit
How is that clear? They've built the largest model (with the possible exception of GPT4.5) with the most post-training compute and are basically equal with other leading models.
Of course there's a base level of competence required to do this work, i.e. you would probably think of those engineers as smart in an everyday context. But it's not clear if they are doing anything that's not already public or basically public, just at a bigger scale.
my_name_isnt_clever@reddit
I have less than zero interest in paying the Nazi to use his models, but if it's open source it's a different story. It probably has some use.
Biggest_Cans@reddit
friendly reminder that grok 4 is amazing because nobody on this website wants to acknowledge that
redditrasberry@reddit
wait, you believed something said by a pathological liar?
pigeon57434@reddit
the thing is that grok 3 isnt event sota for open source though something like Kimi K2 or R1 smokes it ass in every possible field in existence but they could at least have the balls to commit to a promise even a useless one
Chadzuma@reddit
Damn that sure is a lot of pluses next to then Mein Kampf entry
Thistleknot@reddit
should
Maleficent_Age1577@reddit
American people are not to trust. They hate communism and communism is all about sharing both bad and good.
fungnoth@reddit
Rename it to Grok 3.6, Grok 3.7, Grok 3.8
XGrok 1, XGrok Zero, Grok X, Grok S, Grok Y
There's no next version of Grok 3
FuzzyLogick@reddit
I mean I never believed him, he says a lot of things that never happen.
Baldtazar@reddit
Maybe Grock will opensorce itself
llmentry@reddit
MechaStallman
mineyevfan@reddit
lmfao
One-Employment3759@reddit
Grok now has to check what Elon thinks for every answer it gives.
As long as they didn't scrub that tweet from the Elon truth store, maybe Grok will?
carvengar@reddit
"Soon" ™
mugicha@reddit
Definitely next year.
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
People aren't noticing you're being sarcastic lol
mugicha@reddit
Lol I know. Elon's been saying this since 2015! 😂
RenewAi@reddit
Its probably gigantic though
Lissanro@reddit
Grok 3 has 2.7T parameters, but with just 1.5TB of RAM you will be able to run its IQ4 quant. Probably not going to be practical though, because R1 0528 has 4 times less parameters and works better for many use cases, and its IQ4 quant is just around 355GB.
RenewAi@reddit
Yeah that what i'm saying, maybe we can take something useful from it, but weight for weight I dont even see how it adds value. It's usefulness was from running in a huge datacenter with X's live data.
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
Source? I thought Grok 4 was 2.7T for some reason. Or were they the same base model, I might have actually heard that too
Cuplike@reddit
Man who scams people, investors and the government is a liar who woulda thunk? Anyway there's genuinely no reason to ever repost anything Elon says or take seriously. The man can't hide his real intentions for shit
CritStarrHD@reddit
Any reason why ai companies open source their models? Wouldn't it be detrimental to their sales?
Magnus_Tesshu@reddit
A little bit (though running a 2.7T model locally is all but impossible for the hobbyist anyway), but from a purely greedy perspective, there is gaining market share, gaining familiarity, gaining user trust, gaining increased testing by others instead of only internal use.
There is a risk of losing trade secrets also.
I also don't believe that all ai companies are run by purely greedy people. Sometimes, people want to build a cool thing and make it available for everyone even if they lose a little money on it or whatever.
Also, if you actually believe in AI superintelligence (as Elon seems to; he talked about 1000x Earth's economy) then there is no point to trying to increase your short-term profits by 20%.
Creative-Size2658@reddit
In the case of Grok yes, because it has nothing else to sell than a chatbot on a social media.
For others like Anthropic and OpenAI, not really in the long term. They are building specialized applications on top of the model, and this is how they will monetize.
DinoAmino@reddit
Pathetic low effort post. Not even original. So many pointless grok 3 posts lately.
threeseed@reddit
Pathetic low effort comment. Not even original. So many pointless grok 3 comments lately.
No_Conversation9561@reddit
I don’t think Elon thought it through when he made that comment. That new version will be mostly built on top of old version and making old version opensource will give away the workings of new versions too.
gzzhongqi@reddit
But he confirm this again on the grok 3 live lol.
ThatCrankyGuy@reddit
That's like asking me to opensource my thesis project LOL ain't no way
Selafin_Dulamond@reddit
He didn't say WHEN, and in Elon's understanding that means it may or may not happen. It does not matter.
silenceimpaired@reddit
So he’s like those tricksy Fairies in fairy tales that never lie to you, but mislead you through your lack of knowledge and attention to detail?
esuil@reddit
I get the sentiment you are trying to say, but words "this week" are literally on the screenshot.
silenceimpaired@reddit
Tell me lies tell me sweet little lies
Expensive-Apricot-25@reddit
grok 3 is the base model for grok 4.
Cool-Chemical-5629@reddit
That was before Elon Musk changed his profile avatar, so I guess it's not gonna happen.
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Strange thing to say. A CEO commits his company to a certain behavior and then they don't do it. This has nothing to do with hurt feelings. If they want a policy change they should publicly announce it, so investors are informed.
MosaicCantab@reddit
They’re not a public company, and you’re not beholden to private conversations. You have no idea if investors were informed or not.
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Of course, this isn't a legal matter, but public opinion and appeal are part of gathering investors, and failing to stand by your own words doesn’t look good.
MosaicCantab@reddit
do you really think you can / should give advice on how to fundraise to a man who’s raised close to a trillion dollars?
Including the initial raise for OpenAI.
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Wow, a guy had the brilliant idea to make Internet money in the 90s and is cruising by on other people's ideas.
Tight-Quail-4132@reddit
You are the exact stereotype people expect from a trans dude just going point to point not making any sense.
Corporate_Drone31@reddit
It would be immature coming from a company, but let's not pretend that the ultimate decision makers aren't humans in this case. If they release a model that's bad for it's size, I'd thank them and move on, encouraging them to release anything they make in the future.
theavatare@reddit
Mecha-Hitler at home finally!
Lesser-than@reddit
to be fair he promised grok 2 after 3.0 got out of beta, and I dont think it ever got out of beta officially.
jontseng@reddit
Ugh. This is your friendly reminder that open weights is not the same as open source. In fact it is very far from it.
japakapalapa@reddit
Chances are he is lying. Kind of his thing.
marcoc2@reddit
Is believing in Elon Musk some kind of masochistic fetish?
AaronFeng47@reddit
Grok 3 is still their flagship "non-thinking" model
And surprisingly, Grok 2 is still their flagship vision model
You can check their API page, both grok 3 and 4 are text only
Plabbi@reddit
This is not correct. Grok 4 has both image and text input.
grok-2-image-1212 is the only image generation model.
AaronFeng47@reddit
Thank you for correcting me!
boxingdog@reddit
Elon's busy watching his slave play diablo 4
marlinspike@reddit
If you could get the system prompt to be less irksome, it’s actually a great coding model. Way better than alternatives to run in-house for a company.
MMAgeezer@reddit
i.e. use the API?
Which specific use cases and comparison models are you talking about?
my_name_isnt_clever@reddit
It doesn't matter how good the model is, I'm absolutely not paying Elon's company to use an API - I don't support fascists. An open weights model is a different story.
threeseed@reddit
I work for a bank and we use Github Copilot with no issue.
They do not use your internal code for improving their model.
Direct_Turn_1484@reddit
If they actually open sourced Grok-2 and Grok-3, which I’m not gonna hold my breath, you could feed it whatever system prompt you want.
blackwell_tart@reddit
No way he’s releasing “woke” Grok.
MerePotato@reddit
Promises from Elon Musk don't have a great track record
ilintar@reddit
It's going to be open sourced on the same day as OpenAI releases their new open-source model 🤡
palyer69@reddit
https://i.redd.it/584mp3uob9cf1.gif
Zestyclose-Ad-6147@reddit
Liar.
strangescript@reddit
I don't think this is correct in this case. Grok 4 is really just a modified version three with way more post training. This is why it was originally going to be called 3.5, but it ended up being so good they called 4 even though the underlying architecture of the base model had not changed significantly
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
They called it 4 and therefore the policy states the last one should be open sourced. To argue that grok 4 is truly just grok 2.2 and therefore we are only eligible for grok 1 is a very strange take
MosaicCantab@reddit
Grok 2&3 aren’t considered prior models because they’re still in use as main models at xAI.
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
The only part of 2 in use is the image generation which can easily be removed since Aurora was just tagged onto grok 2. It used flux by black forest when it released
MosaicCantab@reddit
If any part of something is in use, it’s considered to be in use. Is it different where you’re from?
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Nice semantics game, bro... The part can easily not be released and was originally its own product. Also not what Elon promised. He never said anything about it not being in use, so completely different argument that has nothing to do with the post
MosaicCantab@reddit
Do you have a semantic issue with the English language that the word prior escapes you?
xXG0DLessXx@reddit
Yes but as far as I know we are still waiting for grok 2 to be opensourced. Or was that also “not changed significantly” are we still on grok 2 just with a different name?
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Yeah but grok 3 was only grok 2.1, so it's clearly ok /s
Dudmaster@reddit
But aren't all groks just modified versions of their internal "foundation model" which by this point has reached version 6?
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
Oh, actually there is:
https://huggingface.co/xai-org/grok-1
314B
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
What about 2 and 3?
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
I'm actually surprised even version 1 weights has been available.
Don't know why you all downvote
mnt_brain@reddit
This post is about grok 3. Grok 2 hasn’t even been released 🤣
You just come across as a clueless person
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
Oh right... So. What do you need the Grok 2 weights for? What have you done with the first version?
mnt_brain@reddit
now you're REALLY coming across as a clueless person
threeseed@reddit
People don't need to justify themselves to you.
Grok-1 has been open sourced for over a year and you didn't know anything about it.
So you should've just shut up and acknowledged your ignorance instead of being a dick about it.
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
"Shut up instead of being a dick"
The point is, for most people those weights are completely useless and this is just pettiness.
I'm against mob mentality bashing anyone, without proper cause. Be it him, or even your mother
hempires@reddit
so you've changed tact from "nuhuhh elon isn't lying! grok 1 weights are available!!!!" (even though the entire post is talking about grok 3) to "WELL WHAT HAVE YOU EVEN DONE WITH THE GROK1 WEIGHTS HUHHHHH?!?!?!"
and you wonder why people are downvoting? lmao
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
So, my expectations about Grok were simply zero and was surprised anything was published.
That's all.
NancyPelosisRedCoat@reddit
Because Elon says “As we create the next version, we open source the previous version, as we did with Grok 1 when Grok 2 was released.” and you linked Grok 1.
They have released 3 and 4. The expectation comes from Elon’s tweet.
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
Yes, I did get that part.
From a practical standpoint though - who realistically uses those weights anyway and how?
NancyPelosisRedCoat@reddit
Open weight models can be fine-tuned through training, so a company with enough resources could fine-tune them for their specific needs using their own data.
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
Yes, I know, I finetuned some vicuna models myself. I get that part.
I've seen zero actual uses of Grok weights anywhere, besides hosting providers (openrouter)
NancyPelosisRedCoat@reddit
I think at this point it's more about holding Elon accountable for his promises than practical use, I agree with that.
Evening_Ad6637@reddit
I would realistically use it. In the same way I use other open weights models.
But anyway - that's not what this topic is about..
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
Just think about it for a second, if no one can conceivably use them, or if they are too expensive to release for free, why did Elon promise to open source them in the first place?
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
Only to be bashed by some group of random people that have zero use of the end product anyway?
emprahsFury@reddit
Well when Elon gives you your free Tesla for taking the time to defend him against a bunch of zeroes, let us know that he kept one of his promises.
Medium_Chemist_4032@reddit
I'm all for an actual or constructive critique or feedback.
This post just is not that.
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
If that's the case why did he promise to open source them?
TalosStalioux@reddit
Where the expectations came from?
Brother see the OP post. The words are literally there
ApplePenguinBaguette@reddit
Lmao in the literal promises above this post. People pretending it's spoiled to ask for what was promised blow my mind
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
Because the tweet already said that 1 was available and that the following would be too.
ab2377@reddit
friendly reply: to hell with grok .... and elon
redballooon@reddit
Somehow that's the one model I'm not interested in.
Moslogical@reddit
If Grok 4 can't build a local Grok 4 or you it's not good enough yet.
Direct_Turn_1484@reddit
Huh, they did at least release Grok-1. It’s out on HF. It might be interesting to get a copy of Grok-3 before they trained it to be all Nazi edgelord.
shadowsloligarden@reddit
they put in "you don't have to be politically correct" for the naziness to come out. weird how the best pattern identifying machine arrived there.
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
That is not enough. Try doing that on the system prompts for another model. It will not become a nazi. The reinforcement learning training phase of grok must contain very questionable sources. The base model is probably somewhat clean I'd suspect though.
mana_hoarder@reddit
Didn't they ask it leading questions?
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
Maybe, but even so, a "normal" model will not answer like that unless explicitly told something like "answer as if you where a jew-hating nazi", which was not the case with grok.
LevianMcBirdo@reddit
Maybe they just don't do guidelines like other models? Like it adheres way closer to the system prompt and doesn't have to have them included in the model? I don't really believe that theory, because the "rogue employee" that changed from grok so it would talk about white genocide conspiracies clearly had to be very heavy handed and pretty much broke grok.
Bureaucromancer@reddit
Iirc they also explicitly were telling it to distrust mainstream sources… it doesn’t take an especially wild dataset to get to Nazi shit from “be politically incorrect and distrust the mainstream”
ArcaneThoughts@reddit
I know they did but that prompt shouldn't be enough, they clearly did something else in the RL phase.
Barry_22@reddit
'Has been open-source its models' nice
fizzy1242@reddit
hopefully they'll also release an instruct variant of it, rather than just the base model like last time. would be more useful
Initial-Argument2523@reddit
Also friendly reminder that it probably won't be LOL
Economy-Resource-722@reddit
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