I.C.E Escalation of Force Alert
Posted by Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 702 comments
Perris,CA :Mayor warning residents to shelter in place due to “door to door “ I.C.E raids.Warned not to answer door knocks,and only necessary travel.I have family a town over.I don’t know if it’s ridiculous to fear for their safety.I share this not to alarm ,but to inform.The fact local governments now have to warn people that their federal government is out in droves,hunting them,is beyond concerning.There seems to be a kind of momentum now in these kidnappings ,though that is my own observation.Stay safe out there,everyone.
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Lazy_Significance_94@reddit
Honest question, why does everyone think that america is so nazi-ified. Dont we help isreal? If we were really nazi leaning wouldnt we NOT help isreal? Im confused.
thisagaingm@reddit
The Nazi’s attempted a genocide and instituted a fascist regime.
Israel is attempting a genocide and has instituted a fascist regime where its congressional assembly people are forcibly removed when speaking critically of the genocide.
The United States profits off of the sale of weapons to countries in military conflict, so is incentivized to create more disruption to drive that revenue and is instituting a fascist regime where nearly 100 verified IS citizens have been detained by federal agents, where federal agents break into the wrong home and assault and sometimes arrest the people who live there anyway, where federal agents rob people while in their homes, where two year olds are forced to face an immigration judge and have no idea what is going on, where whole groups of education visas are just revoked suddenly making thousands of people illegal, defunding research, limiting access to medical research, limiting access to historical research, instituting a new religious office in the wh, all while endorsing criminal activity at a global power scale. The federal government is taking on state militaries, local police in DC, and sending threatening letters to communities steeped in kindness, and targeting based on race and ethnicity.
The nazis wanted a fascist ethnostate, and the US is trying to do the same thing in modern ways. These are just some of the reasons that we Americans are being perceived this way.
Das3cr@reddit
They don't have to do anything. Hopefully, ICE gets their job done despite intentional sabotage by California commies.
abdallha-smith@reddit
Palantir is a tool that Hitler dreamed about.
Musk connected it with government databases and now they reap lives.
SalviaDroid96@reddit
100% this!
waltwalt@reddit
Yeah they aren't just randomly rounding up all brown people.
With their AI assisted database they are picking certain people who have either said things, figured things out or know things. Or they're just activists in the wrong circles.
They know the names and addresses of basically everyone, they could go clean sweep if they wanted but they are choosing who they are going after.
CooledDownKane@reddit
If they know where everyone is down to the addresses and social medias, why aren't they going after all of the violent felons they've bemoaned about flooding this country for years? It's almost like they either don't exist, they are scared of being fought back against, or they want the violent felons to remain to continue to stoke fear about.
waltwalt@reddit
Well 1) this isn't about violent felons, this is about racism. 2) violent felons can be taken in by armed police not random ICE agents in masks.
Violent felons would immediately kill off the first wave of agents. Wouldn't even be close. These are peaceful people looking to lead their lives, easy pickings.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
There's a loooot of hype right now, but it's important to keep in mind that, even though they make mistakes that they later correct, ICE is only going after illegal immigrants. Their only goal is to enforce the well established consequences of illegal immigration in any nation, for any race of person: deportation
cmdhaiyo@reddit
Oo, that's a bad and wholly inaccurate take, so let me drop a little bit of advice and education on the subject.
ICE regularly arrests and deports US citizens without even checking their identification. They arrest first, second, and third+ generation undocumented americans who have the same rights under the constitution as documented americans: constitutional rights which are ignored, such as reasonable suspicion and probable cause free from racial stereotyping which leads to unlawful detainment, questioning, search, seizure, and arrest; then there is denying people the constitutional right of legal representation, ignoring habeas corpus, and deportation without any due process in a court of law.
Some mistakes cannot be corrected, and many mistakes are never corrected. There are still kids that are no longer with their parents because they were separated by the Trump administration in his first term.
Finally, illegal refers to an action and does not refer to people. Think about it, is an illegal human a thing? 'Illegal immigrants' is a propagandized term used to group together criminals, smuggled people, exploited human trafficking victims, as well as first-, second-, and third+ generation law-abiding documented and undocumented immigrants; it's a term used to dehumanize everyone within those groups by false association with criminals.
Undocumented american is better term to use when referring to law abiding american immigrants who, for many reasons outside of their control, may have been unable to acquire documentation. Don't group them in with criminals. Language-, education-, and financial- barriers exist, as well as exploitation by others, and each can significantly interfere with acquiring documentation.
The goals of ICE are not in question or dispute: ICE's improper conduct and their failure to follow the law is in dispute and question, and rightfully so because they have proven themselves regularly incapable of both at upper (leadership) and lower (agent) levels.
Even criminals have rights, and when they don't is when authoritarianism and facism have become full blown and the rule of law has been broken. Think of being falsely accused, not having the right to legally dispute it, and having to face punishment for crimes you did not commit.
If you think ICE is only going after criminals, then read some articles from less biased news sources such as Reuters, Associated Press, or Ground News. News/Media political bias and truthfulness (fact checking) charts exist for good reason.
No hard feelings, just take some time to understand these important issues when you have the time, energy, and mindset because they will significantly affect our country and all of our fellow citizens in the coming years – and that includes you too, regardless of your ethnicity and status.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Look, I'm only talking about illegal immigration and the only reasonable consequence for countries that can enforce it: deportation.
An illegal immigrant is someone who has illegally (breaking the law) crossed into a foreign country and is living there. That's what those words mean.
You can't see the forest through the trees.
cmdhaiyo@reddit
Regarding the term illegal immigrant, I don't think you understood my point — it is a dehumanizing term most commonly used in dehumanizing contexts, and it's used so frequently in today's media that it often skates by unnoticed. I had to learn the difference at one point too. This likely won't change your mind, but it's worth a share in our discussion: https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/more-focus-areas/immigration-ethics/immigration-ethics-resources/immigration-ethics-blog/words-matter-illegal-immigrant-undocumented-immigrant-or-unauthorized-immigrant/
I can see both the forest and the trees, and many of the conditions that lead to their overall health and wealth.
Immigrants living in this country produce income and they are taxed, regardless of their documentation status, which makes the US wealthier.
Why should we waste resources deporting undocumented people when helping them acquire citizenship is a fraction of the cost of deportation,l and helps grow the US wealth in the long run?
Having documented citizenship improves the financial stability and opportunities for immigrants, and with better opportunities, the more money the US makes from immigrants in the form of the everyday taxes we all pay.
A manageable fine paid out slowly over time could cover consequence and fund further sponsorships which would in turn help provide more financial growth.
The real thieves who deserve resentment, anger and consequence, are the employers who exploit immigrants by paying low wages and who profit from tax loopholes to reap unchecked and unearned rewards.
Hard working immigrants made this country — all the way back to the first settlers.
And talking about settlers leads us to the topic of deportation and land rights... my guy/gal/pal we walk on stolen and borrowed land. Have you seen any of the articles on Native Americans being wrongfully harrassed, detained, questioned, and deported? To talk about consequences, that's one the US should be particularly ashamed of because of our country's terrible mistreatment of their people over the years. How can we as a country and its people claim the moral, ethical, or legal high ground of distributing consequence, if those same rules of consequence don't apply to ourselves and those who came before us?
I am trying to share that these topics and issues are very nuanced and that there are far more beneficial paths than deportation which can leave everyone happier, safer, healthier, and wealthier. All worthy goals, no?
If you can't see that, then I say 'to each their own'. Good luck to you.
Mediocre-Studio-6586@reddit
Correct, the proper term is illegal alien
thebaron24@reddit
I applaud your efforts but the person you are talking to is a moron who doesn't care to understand what you have said. You can say it over and over they just don't want to understand. They think purging these people will suddenly make their miserable lives better.
cmdhaiyo@reddit
I know I may be unable to change their opinion, it is rather unfortunate. Well, it's been helpful for me to write everything out. I'm gaining more experience on discussing this stuff at least. 😅
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
I don't believe that all illegal immigrants are paying taxes. Most I have worked with don't, and send lots of money back home out of the country, which is a drain on our economy.
Is it a dehumanizing term? They should have thought of that when they decided it was ok to go to a foreign country and break their laws. There should be some sort of stigma associated with thinking its ok to go to a foreign country and break their laws.
I completely agree with you about the employers being worse from a criminality standpoint. They need to face steep consequences. Hiring an illegal immigrant is equally wrong for both parties, but the employers of course do it on such a larger scale.
We don't live in a world where everybody operates under one system, or where people can choose which system they operate in. I'm subject to the laws of the government ruling my homeland, whether I like it or not. And our economy is a zero sum game in a lot of ways....I have to follow the rules and get what jobs I can, yet there are people breaking the rules and taking some of those jobs away. We have a lot of people who were born here who need jobs. Their parents birthed them under the impression that the laws of the land would be followed.
cmdhaiyo@reddit
Yes precisely, but it is employers that are the people ultimately taking away jobs by bending and breaking rules, not immigrants. Employers continuously hire undocumented immigrants and visa workers to exploit their situations: doing so allows them to fill positions quickly and trap those workers with low wages - ie reduce their opportunities for growth and the economic feasibility of being able to leave.
If immigrants and visa workers had more rights, american workers as a whole would be able to see that the job market issue is a class solidarity problem and not an immigration one. If the laws, policy, and enforcement were well built, all workers in america could collective bargain their way to sustainable liveable wages, better working conditions, and more stable job opportunities (things like removing at-will-employment).
We have much more in common with immigrants than with the executives, owners, investors, political heads, and oligarchs who spin the wheel — they drive wedges between subgroups within the public to continue to take and take and take while we're too busy quabbling over trivial (or minimally significant) matters to notice and take back some of the bargaining power we have.
The oligarchs have the money to pay for • custom messages that create and intensify sentiments • constant news articles and social media coverage • social media manipulation (bots, content visibility) • lobbyists to influence policy to create legal loopholes • lawyers, fixers, and bribes to avoid legal consequences • political and social figures • companies, organizations, and groups to hide behind
Stigmatizing breaking the law makes sense, but not with that term and not with how it is being used in todays political climate to take the constitutional rights of citizens and residents. Conflicts have a tendency to boil over — and they can definitely affect those who think they are safe. There's so much loss from conflicts in terms of productivity and goodwill. It's a damn shame is all.
Im-obsesssssed-4224@reddit
Very well said.
dorianngray@reddit
Excellently stated.
KaerMorhen@reddit
They've rounded up plenty of US Citizens already, even active duty military or former. On top of that, the Trump administration has stated very clearly that they want to strip citizenship from people who did everything right. And they're also bagging people leaving their court appointments, the people who are trying to do the right thing. You're also missing the fact that a lot of the illegal immigrants aren't being deported, simply detained. Trump also said he's willing to let them work at farms because we'll be facing a massive food shortage with a significant amount of farm labor being rounded up. Slavery all over again.
Why are none of the business owners who knowingly hire illegal immigrants facing any consequences? The simple fact is (unfortunately) a lot of our economy is built on the backs of immigrant labor who are woefully underpaid. These jobs won't be replaced by citizens, especially with the pay those jobs provide. These people also pay taxes and commit crimes at a fraction of the rate of citizens. The majority of the people they are rounding up are hard-working people just trying to provide for their families. A lot had to flee in fear of death and horrible conditions from their home countries. They're literally just jumping any brown person they come across in the street.
The fact that their budget is more than most countries' entire military budget should be deeply concerning to all Americans. The illegal immigrants are the target now, but with that budget, it's obviously not going to end there. Trump already floated the idea of deporting the democratically elected primary winner running for mayor. How long until political opponents start disappearing?
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Look, I'm only talking about illegal immigration and the fact that the only reasonable consequence is deportation, same as any country that can
Terrible-Junket-3388@reddit
Sure, but without due process it's not just illegal immigration, it's anyone they decide, based on the whims of a politician or someone else similarly detached.
I would wager most people here are less concerned about actioning against illegals and more about the level/severity of action (and that the targets are NOT the worst of the worst as the administration has claimed). There was a video today of an ICE agent flagging (pointing a weapon directly at) a US citizen - if that doesnt seem off to you, then thats the problem.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
ICE is doing their best to follow due process, yet even then, mistakes will be made, as you will see with literally any enforcement of any law. This particular form of criminality has gotten so popular and out of hand that they may need to take expedited steps out of purely practical concerns...but I still blame the criminals, not the law enforcement.
If ICE learns that they have arrested a citizen, they release the citizen.
To understand whether an ICE agent pointing a gun at a citizen offends me or not, I'd surely have to know the context/story. If the citizen is obstructing federal law enforcement and has refused to stop at every successive escalation of force, and they end up with a gun pointed at them, well, thats what I would expect and desire. We are a democratic republic, and our police serve the common good and the will of the majority....not the will of some violent thugs obstructing justice.
thebaron24@reddit
You obviously haven't read any of the court filings. It just came out they are actively fabricating evidence in some cases. When did the people who constantly preached about not trusting the government suddenly become such blind obedient suckers?
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Yeesh the ad hominem attacks are so old at this point, and they only serve to make you look like a child.
Fabricating evidence is wrong and those corrupt officials should be prosecuted
Im-obsesssssed-4224@reddit
Not presenting a legitimate warrant and not identifying themselves properly as law enforcement is not following due process.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Incorrect, ICE doesn't need a warrant in a public place if they believe they have probable cause. You can disagree with whether that's "right" or not, but it is the law and therefore is due process.
Regarding not identifying themselves...what are you referring to? Are you thinking that they refuse to identify themselves as ICE agents? It's written right on their uniforms. They are not required to give their names or their faces by law. They aren't even required to wear their uniform in all cases, and are only required to identify themselves as ICE agents if they deem it safe. Thats the law, so it is therefore due process.
You're making that statement out of simple ignorance. You can read up on due process that ICE follows here if you want to know the facts:
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-8/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-287/section-287.8
Im-obsesssssed-4224@reddit
Anyone can "say" they're ICE or wear a vest that says ICE on it (they literally sell them on Amazon, along with fake DHS badges), and most of them are also wearing street clothes and driving unmarked vehicles. Several men have already been caught impersonating ICE after taking women off the street and then raping them. How do we tell the difference?
Question for you: If an unidentified man in a mask wearing an ICE costume grabbed your mother, sister, or daughter off the street without proper identification (name and badge number), would you just let him take her, or would you defend her from being kidnapped?
Seems to me like this is setting up the perfect conditions for human trafficking, when we can't tell the difference between criminals and law enforcement - when anyone can throw on a costume and hide their face behind a mask and start grabbing people off the street and throwing them into unmarked vehicles. And can we blame people if they start lethally defending themselves from this? Seems logical that proper identification and procedure would protect the officers as well, before people start rationally fighting back, not knowing whether they're being arrested or kidnapped.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Just use common sense, and you'll be fine. I think you're just too scared of something that won't actually happen
crazzzone@reddit
Brother, it's a misdemeanor...
Misdemeanors don't warrant this sort of behavior by the government. Plenty of terrible people to go after that have committed felonies. Documented or undocumented.
These sorts of things can quickly expand.
Which is why we have this Constitution and the bill of rights and the fourth amendment...
Did you know that you're super un-American?
Or American in name only.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
What's important is that the established consequence, which is necessary in order to actually enforce immigration law, is deportation.
There's nothing at all un-American about believing that all of our laws should be enforced equally on all people.
Carnifex72@reddit
Sure. Did the last time you or anyone you know got accused of a misdemeanor did they send a small militia to your house to toss you in jail? When you got a traffic ticket, did the police officer cover their face and refuse to provide identification such as a badge number?
Equal enforcement would be serving them a notice to appear, having warrants and providing proper identification. Maybe take note that those things aren’t happening here before chowing down on the boot, homie.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Different crimes, different consequences. The only way to enforce controlled immigration is to make deportation the consequence of illegal immigration.
ICE agents have been forced to disguise themselves due to the level of violent interference they're facing.
If so many people hadn't thought it was ok to go to a foreign country and break their laws, none of this would be happening. The illegal immigrants have brought this situation upon all of us, and that's not ok
culibrat@reddit
Except felons who've been convicted on 34 counts, right?
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Not sure I quite understand your question, but yes, I would consider a 34-time felon un-American.
If you're referring to Trump, come on, he's guilty of way worse than that (terrorism). Unfortunately, terrorism is extremely American.
crazzzone@reddit
Obama deported more people then trump last time around.
No armed military in the streets.
Back to the un-American thing. Because I'm not going to let you stand behind the aLl LaWs ShOuLd be followed bs.
The constitution is the supreme law of the land and we are not going break it just to capture some people that committed a Misdemeanors. You think we should be using shape charges on peoples homes that didn't pay their traffic ticket? People that stole some food. We should break out a tank? Someone who punched someone else... A drone!?
Come on buddy. think about...
There are worse people to go after.
There are WAY better way to do this.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Personally, I don't think that believing that our laws should be enforced equally on all people is bs. But to each, their own.
Law enforcement should aim to use minimum necessary force to get their job done, but that minimum necessary force is dictated by the suspect. Law enforcement should escalate to whatever means necessary as long as it's safe for them and bystanders when our justice system is being obstructed. That's simply necessary to ensure that the general public they serve is not held at the mercy of the whims of a violent few.
The fact that illegal immigration is a misdemeanor is less important to me than the fact that its consequence is deportation.
wildtabeast@reddit
Lol
dorianngray@reddit
You are incorrect- I know a man, he came here 20 years ago - the right way. 15 years ago became a citizen. No criminal record. Owns an MMA gym that trains ufc fighters and teaches mma. They picked him up 2 weeks ago, no one’s heard from him since. He was originally from Venezuela.
They are going back 20 years on citizenship, and revoking their citizenship and deporting them.
Add to this that in Trumps executive order, they can seize assets. Property, vehicles, bank accounts…
Gym is shuttered right now- waiting to see if they put it up for sale/rent.
This guy was a pillar in the community- he taught self defense classes to women. He gave young men guidance and kept them out of trouble.
They are going after citizens.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Show me a source where they are revoking citizenship. They are revoking visas, which I do not agree with, either, but they are not revoking full citizenship
thebaron24@reddit
Why wouldn't you believe it when Steven Miller, the person organizing this, publicly said that is what they were going to do? Is it because it blows your whole narrative out of the water?
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
I tried searching for his quote, got nothing. If you have any sort of source reporting that he is saying they are out to revoke citizenship, please let me know.
Thats bonkers, and it would not fly for a second.
Necessary-Start4151@reddit
They are targeting nonwhites for now They want to deport a 100 million so only whites remain Then they will after the whites they feel are a threat or can’t work Remember Steven Miller wants the US to be only 100 million
Inevitable_Shift1365@reddit
Exactly. They're going after people who won't fight back as hard. You don't see them going into the Barrio and into gang territory to round people up despite all of their bluster.
KaerMorhen@reddit
Just wait until they accidentally raid a building held by a cartel. It's going to be an absolute shit show. Especially after seeing how sloppy most of their tactics have been.
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Try to contain your enthusiasm
KaerMorhen@reddit
Nothing about this situation has me enthusiastic.
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
You sure lol
GeeTheMongoose@reddit
If the cartels smart they'll throw a large sum of money at some good attorneys to make an embarrassment of the govt when that happens.
"Of course they shot the heavily armed and unidentified random strangers who were wearing masks while breaking down their front door! Who wouldn't - they looked and acted like violent home invaders and got treated as such."
No_Biscotti_7258@reddit
Try to contain your enthusiasm
willsueforfood@reddit
I would do it for tamales.
Inevitable_Shift1365@reddit
Stand your ground laws your honor
GeeTheMongoose@reddit
A couple million dollars would be nothing to defang what is probably the biggest threat to the cartels in the US
The cartels can afford to burn money to make a laughing stock of government agencies - they practically run several countries. Even if they end up losing that fight in the end they'd still profit immensely from it
long_4_truth@reddit
Felons and criminals, look at the sheer volume of individuals and officials “combating” such things. It’s a massive and intertwined industry, protesters are a pain in the butt.
rangecontrol@reddit
because it is not about crime or criminals.
it's about money and control.
they are gonna use it to make YOU do what they want.
Slumunistmanifisto@reddit
Its the third option.
sagerobot@reddit
They are pussies. Criminals might be armed and dangerous (all the more reason to deport them and only them) but that's scary for ICE they want easy targets to hit those quotas.
_John_Dillinger@reddit
not yet. for now it’s low hanging fruit in service of a quota
DukeOfGeek@reddit
Ya they are looking for what they can get with minimum resistance and maximum capture. Also I've been on reddit for way way to long now and I'm seeing levels of perception management here I've never seen before, both in scope and effectiveness.
_John_Dillinger@reddit
You’re right. It’s brazen and disgusting
totpot@reddit
At airports they are. There are people being stopped at immigration and the agents already know who they are and show them every mean thing they've ever said online about Trump or Israel.
waltwalt@reddit
Those were the ones gathering in public or at the immigration office. They are targetting houses now, but not every house.
_John_Dillinger@reddit
Women and children bud.
SubstantialPressure3@reddit
They are going after immigration lawyers, for sure.
NorthRoseGold@reddit
This comment is overkill.
1988Trainman@reddit
IBM helped hitler make similar tools just before ww2
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
When money is the object, there's nothing you'll not do in order to obtain it.
Capitalism/greed is what's going to end humanity, imo
Cubie_McGee@reddit
I agree, capitalism is unrestrained greed and it will be the death of both the earth and humanity.
nicbongo@reddit
Earth will recover. Don't think we will.
Wise-Force-1119@reddit
This is the truth. But I am an optimist so I believe that we will someday recover too.
Queasy_Impress6559@reddit
The human species at one point almost went extinct, I think paleontologists say there were only about 1,000 of us but we somehow recovered. It could be a similar situation here, it's hard to imagine every single one of us being wiped out but the vast majority and civilization collapsing? Not too hard to fathom. I think there's a good chance the species continues but it will look much different than it does now.
Souledex@reddit
A lazy and stupid perspective. Almost impossible to even justify a belief of how we couldn’t
nicbongo@reddit
How humans couldn't recover do mean? If so, why is that a "lazy belief "?
Souledex@reddit
Explain how we would be eliminated so completely we couldn’t recover.
nicbongo@reddit
Well, there's a lot to explain. For people that have done some research, the evidence is conclusive. Reviewing the evidence is not lazy I'd argue, but you cope how you need to.
Ocean acidification, over utilisation of fresh water, changing weather patterns, desertification, top soil losing nutrition, continued huge loss of biodiversity in land and sea (coral reefs are on the brink), antibiotic resistance in livestock and us, climate disastera effecting urban areas and farmland, CO2 is as highest levels in a very long time and increasing, sea and currents shifting and changing, polar caps and glaciers melting, dress level rising, supply chain fragility, increasing risk of forest fires etc.
That's not to mention the rise of fascism/anti science movement, or the potential for nuclear war, and the complete absence of political unity required to even attempt to tackle global challenges.
What solutions you have for those?
Spend some time on r/collapse. Lots of the science is discussed there.
If you manage to challenge your own assumptions, do let us know how you get on.
Lou_C_Fer@reddit
The only reason I understand any of this is because I've loved geology since I was a kid. If people truly understood how the world works geologically, they'd be more willing to accept that our climate can change drastically, and much of that is due to the composition of our atmosphere.
Legitimate-Type4387@reddit
The planet is fine, the people are fucked. - George Carlin
Unfortunately countless other species will go down with us as well in a completely preventable mass extinction.
The planet however will shake it off like a fever over a long enough time scale.
Lou_C_Fer@reddit
Mass extinctions happen. The earth just happened to evolve a species capable of causing one... again. Usually, when an extintion is biological, it is bacteria or maybe a virus. This time, it the agent of destruction just happens to be multicellular. Hell, it may be the only way for us to evolve as a species. As it is, we mix too much for that to happen.
Legitimate-Type4387@reddit
I’d venture to guess that this is the first time a species was able to predict the mass extinction it was causing and yet allow it to run its course despite being able to prevent it.
There is nothing natural about that, no matter how much one frames it as a regularly occurring natural phenomenon.
apikoros18@reddit
George Carlin or Dr. Ian Malcom? ;-P
Mrs_Fabaceae@reddit
This is "dilution is the solution for pollution" levels of cope.
Ocean acidification alone might steralize the planet. Shit is got real dawg.
rhesusmonkey@reddit
It might take millions of years for new species to evolve but Earth would still recover.
nicbongo@reddit
Operative word in your second sentence being "might".
Truth is, it's still too early to compare the scale of the 6th extinction to that of the predecessors. But yea, chances for all life are not looking good.
mandraofgeorge@reddit
We don't deserve to
nicbongo@reddit
A different conversation, but hard to disagree.
nospotmarked@reddit
Where do you happen to live? Are you moving soon to a non capitalist society?
Philosophy is great, but it doesn't pay the bills.
Cubie_McGee@reddit
Why would I move? I'm a capitalist by trade. Doesn't make my statement wrong though.
Intelligent-Day5519@reddit
Cuba an China is calling your name.
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
Why? There's greed there as well. The problem isn't the systems we have in place but rather that we have humans running those systems.
Gigofifo@reddit
Has nothing to do with capitalism. USSR was as bad as Nazi Germany. Maoist China, North Korea, Cambodia. You name it. Meanwhile capitalist Scandinavian countries have many things we can’t dream of in the USA.
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
To elaborate on my position a little more, as I understand it, the ends in Scandanavian countries are to increase the QoL of the people while the in the US and other corrupt countries it is to increase one's wealth. In this scenario, it is the greed of self that depredates, dehumanizes, demeans, and devalues human life (of others) and is causing innumerable amounts of suffering.
Unobtanium_Alloy@reddit
The Lorax has entered the chat
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
I've actually never seen the Lorax... can you elaborate on the connection please?
Unobtanium_Alloy@reddit
When the Onceler started cutting down trufula trees and built a massive industry around that, it heavily polluted the air, sky, water and land. The Lorax, who "spoke for the trees" (and was also apparently custodian of the fish, birds, etc) tried to convince the Onceler at every tipping point to stop, to think about the impact on the environment but Onceler was only concerned with continuously expanding his industrial empire and the profit it brought. And each time the Lorax had to send the last of some animal species away from what was their home to search blindly for somewhere to live.
Finally when the last of the trufula trees was cut down, making the species extinct, the Onclers massive extended family who had been running all the factories and industry, immediately packed up and left without a qualm, looking for the next land to exploit into oblivion. Behind them they left a poisoned, reeking wasteland with toxic, sludge-filled waterways under a darkened, soot filled sky. All the animals were gone, the plants dead or only withered remnants. Sacrificed on the altar of profit.
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
Holy shit! That's Dr Suess? From 55 years ago?
I'm kinda glad I've never read it... I'm not sure I'm emotionally stable enough to make it through it. Thanks for the elaboration... even if it was more horrible than I'd ever have imagined.
misfortunesangel@reddit
If you pay attention Dr Seuss had some political or social issues in most of the stories.
SeigneurMoutonDeux@reddit
I'm discovering in my old age how autism helped me be immune to metaphor and reading between the lines. There is so much in this world I've missed because it wasn't overtly explained.
misfortunesangel@reddit
I was so perplexed by people that I spent a large amount of time observing their behavior and trying to figure it out. As a consequence I was good at analyzing people. I am very good at picking up on subtle cues with people that most people overlook. However I am clueless when it relates directly to me. Ie: I can’t tell when someone likes me, but I can tell when other people like each other. I can’t tell when people lie, or are untrustworthy etc. And I lived in books, so I did get the subtle cues in them. And I’m extremely good at picking out plot twists in movies long before they happen.
Unobtanium_Alloy@reddit
It's a kid's book so its not exactly horror... until you as an adult start thinking about what it really means. Then the full weight comes crashing down on you.
broguequery@reddit
It has everything to do with power seeking behavior, of which capitalism is also guilty.
Gigofifo@reddit
Humans are guilty, my friend. Capitalism, socialism or other -ism. It takes people of the country to understand the importance of the common good, and to stick to the democratic system that routinely rotates people in power. Sadly, now we see how democracy can be subverted by bad faith actors with too much money on hands.
broguequery@reddit
Right....
What's your point here exactly?
cabist@reddit
We’re sick and tired of the -ism schism.
muskox-homeobox@reddit
This is wildly ignorant of both history and economics
Gigofifo@reddit
How?
vrangnarr@reddit
Scandinavia is a mix of socialism and capitalism. And that seems to work pretty well.
thebonnar@reddit
It's not. Its a social democracy, a capitalist economy with redistributive elements. They have big banks, big funds, and big industrialists. Ownership of means of production is private, but Nordic culture values a more even spread than the US.
vrangnarr@reddit
Disclaimer: I'm Scandinavian
thebonnar@reddit
Obviously you understand what it's like to live there, but redistribution isn't the same as socialism
Gigofifo@reddit
It’s a capitalism with social programs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
AzureWave313@reddit
Sweden is where all the leaders of the western world will run to after they’re done burning America to the ground.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Yeah I forgot all governments and political systems are the same, also forgot that capitalism is what gives European countries their social safety nets, almost like those policies are (spooky word) socialist. Idiot.
Gigofifo@reddit
You can have a capitalist system (means of production are privately owned) and still have social programs. Of course, there are always some state owned enterprises. The rate varies depending on a country. In USSR, after Lenin’s NEP was over, no means of production could be private. BTW, you keep using this word, “idiot”, I don’t think you know what it means.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
P sure the equivalency between political violence/starvation and the fucking Holocaust makes you an idiot. And assuming that social safety nets are derived from capitalism makes you an idiot as well. They are public, communal if you will, almost like a communism of sorts. Socialism is simultaneous deployment of communal and private entities. Do you just look at the word and think bad? Example: China = communist = bad, ignoring the fact they privatize a lot of their market. Capitalism good, communist bad, america good, other country bad, yayyyyy
Gigofifo@reddit
Chill, tankie. I have never mentioned the Holocaust. I have never compared it to Holodomor. They are horrible in their own rights. The amount of victims of both regimes are unimaginable. Two kinds of shit it are still shit. Your understanding of socialism, communism is on the level of a middle-schooler (optimistically speaking). Read at least something easy before showing your arrogance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Universalist welfare state, with 30% of the work force employed by the government. Yup, pure capitalism. I guess you ignore the fact that the word “social” and assume that means individual?
Gigofifo@reddit
They are capitalist by definition, whether you like the definition or not.
Gigofifo@reddit
I specifically mentioned the word social several times. And I am dedicated proponent of social programs and welfare for people. Especially in the USA where the modern economic system is turning more and more unfair, starting probably in 1970s and especially during and after Reagan atrocious tenure.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Reagan literally created “the welfare queen” myth. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING. At this point you’re just gaslighting me
Gigofifo@reddit
I'm not gaslighting, I'm showing you the way ;-)
I hate Reagan just as much as the other guy. I like FDR social improvements which helped to (still capitalist America) to move forward, toward equality and prosperity. And there were other presidents, congressmen and congresswomen who were not rigid ideological stupid greedy fucks, who could make capitalism be a better system in USA, just like it works in in many other countries.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Dude, how do you think that happened? Do you think a communist or socialist was in charge? Reagan was a communist…
Gigofifo@reddit
Didn't happen in Sweden!
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
What is the goal of capitalism? Make the most money (that demand allows), by cutting spending the on labor and materials. What’s the best wage to pay a worker? As little as you possibly can without causing them to leave. Slavery is the ideal in capitalism, not social programs.
Gigofifo@reddit
What's the goal of life? Is there an ultimate answer to the life, universe and everything? Capitalism is a word humans came up to describe a system where means of production can be private. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, unless it's a wet dream of ideological purist. Pure socialism or communism (there is a difference between those two), are equally bad and impossible. The real world problem is that ideological purists tried to implement those at the start of 20th century. And during French revolution to some degree. Of course all attempts failed. Even China had to turn to capitalist ways in order to succeed. Albania was super unhappy. You probably never listened to Radio Tirana during Enver Hoxha and Ramiz Alia time. Fascinating. It was bashing USSR and China in unequivocal terms.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Do you just type without reading the comment chain you’re replying to? Palantir to target specific group -> Hitler and IBM targeting Jews -> capitalist market assisting genocide for cash/greed -> you say it had nothing to do with capitalism, despite the comment chain being focused on private tech/records being used for extermination during the Holocaust.
I’m glad those private owners had the means of production and made money off millions of deaths.
Gigofifo@reddit
Soviet Union was targeting so many groups of people (including Jews)I will not have time to work if I type it. Sweden? Not so much.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Collective bargaining? A staple of capitalism, where a production owner’s wet dream is slavery with zero taxes for the underlings…
Gigofifo@reddit
Yes, strong labor unions are an important part of the real world (and not ideologically pure) capitalism.
BottomSecretDocument@reddit
Tired of arguing, just read this. Nordic countries in no way shape or form derived their social programs from capitalism.
Gigofifo@reddit
Define "derived from capitalist". They never were socialist countries before, can't derive it from socialism either. Most probably they "derive" it from the historical tradition of scarcity and minimalism. There were never a tradition of opulence, even at the royal level, comparatively to absolute monarchies like Russia or France. And we know how it ended in both countries.
Gigofifo@reddit
Chill, tankie. I have never mentioned the Holocaust. I have never compared it to Holodomor. They are horrible in their own rights. The amount of victims of both regimes is unimaginable. Two kinds of shit is still shit. Your understanding of socialism, communism is on the level of a middle-schooler (optimistically speaking). Read at least something easy before showing your arrogance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model
resistelectrique@reddit
Because they are socialist.
Reneeisme@reddit
Because those regimes just used communism to justify a tiny percentage at the top being the only ones amassing wealth. Any political system can be used for that purpose. Capitalism is more transparently about it than some, but they tell lies about trickle down economics that are the same horseshit any of those leaders were dishing out.
Gigofifo@reddit
I’m not sure there are other examples in existence of humanity. It’s a “no true Scotsman fallacy”.
Eric--V@reddit
Capitalism is the market keeping the greed of one in check by another.
But nice try…you probably think Robin Hood “stole from the rich and gave to the poor,” when he really returned the money to the people it belonged to, after taking it back from the corrupt, overtaxing government!
ARODtheMrs@reddit
I so wish your comment applied to us!!
Barragin@reddit
"Capitalism/greed is what's going to end humanity, imo"
It already has. Runaway global warming. Oil industry. Pure greed.
Did no one notice the 3 once in a thousand year floods in Texas, NC and New Mexico this past week? The unstoppable fires in Canada this past month? European droughts this past decade? The death of the Great Barrier Reef? Microplastics in our balls and 20 feet down in the soils of Iowa and Kansas?
We are already dead. People just don't know it yet or are in denial.
ne1c4n@reddit
It already has, we are well into the Find Out phase of capitalism.. we just don't want to admit it.
AzureWave313@reddit
Yeah, it sure seems inevitable.
ed_is_dead@reddit
Bingo
balbok7721@reddit
Pretty sure there were no computers in the 1930s
1988Trainman@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
balbok7721@reddit
I had no idea punch cards were used to this degree. Damn
1988Trainman@reddit
IBM has been around much longer then most people think
Significant-Ebb2016@reddit
It was dreamed up in the 80's in steve jobs garage
1988Trainman@reddit
Are you ok?
Significant-Ebb2016@reddit
Sure a few different ones. Just ask Steve about the early days back in the 1930's
Ok-Passage-300@reddit
Wow
TheDeadlySpaceman@reddit
Look into the history of UPC Codes (bar codes) some time.
NecroSoulMirror-89@reddit
Exactly they’re just picking up where ibm left off
BILLIONAIRE_JESUS@reddit
Isn't this what Kaczynski was trying to warn us about?
broyeahhhright@reddit
yeah but his attack vector was a little wacko
Trevor775@reddit
No, he was more i to urban sprawl.
Gryphin@reddit
Palantir was scary 5-8 years ago, as they let themselves be the way the police forces across the country sidestepped the 4th amendment as well as just cataloging and tracking citizen movements via plate readers mounted on all the police cruisers. Target company stores in the US did a similar thing so they could watch shoplifters come into range of their stores as they left apartment complexes and neighborhoods.
Now, palantir is hooked into every aspect, and profile building on any given vehicle on the road or any face snagged by the private party Flock cameras is an automatic thing to be called up as needed by police. Its insane, and since its all private party, it sidesteps every legal protection anyone has.
Street-Custard-1907@reddit
This is an important point; also once Roe was overturned (which was based on the 4th), that gave them license to go wild. If you don’t have a right to privacy with your body, you sure as hell don’t have privacy either anything else. IMHO, the loss of rights for one is a loss of rights for all. Be careful out there.
cmdhaiyo@reddit
It is quite a terrifying sight to behold, the public-private relationship that is described oh so well in Bruce Schneier's Data & Goliath, especially when the private attempts to overrule the public, as is happening now.
Dull-Contact120@reddit
Need to update the movie Enemy of the state, go buck wild
FOB32723@reddit
This is an updated remake I could get behind
itsANOMALEEZ@reddit
Closest thing is Eagle Eye but that’s not necessarily new
nospotmarked@reddit
That's residents only.
ChaosRainbow23@reddit
Even my podunk little town in NC has a WILDLY over-funded police force.
These dudes are terrible. They come out in full force for any and everything. Somebody calls the cops around here and you have like 12 cop cars roll up. It fucking sucks. Lol
SingedPenguin13@reddit
Meanwhile , Fayetteville has like a 40% shortage on police. So under staffed!
ChaosRainbow23@reddit
Shit. You can have half of ours right now for all I care.
There would still be too many for our town.
asselfoley@reddit
What's happening is awful, but let's face facts. I don't think any provision of the 4th amendment still stood when Trump took office the first time.
That's really the issue. This shit isn't about Trump. He's the same delusional moron he's demonstrated he is since at least the 1980s.
This didn't start with Trump, and it won't end with Trump.
88clandestiny88@reddit
Correction: it should read "police forces across the globe" not just the US.
kultureisrandy@reddit
Yeah the UK 1000% has something like this being used with their CCTV system
overkill@reddit
OK, I used to be involved in automatic camera systems for traffic offences. If you've ever got a ticket for driving in a bus lane or anything to do with a Clean Air Zone, you can probably blame me. Let me share some insights into UK CCTV.
The council owned automatic camera systems used to monitor traffic and enforce regulations and Clean Air Zones tend to feed into the police systems via something called BOF2, which sends no more than a VRN, location, time and date, and sometimes an image of the vehicle. This is useful for the police, but you can also imagine that it is a fucking torrent of data. They aren't watching at it directly, they are querying it as needed to track a vehicle of interest. Oh, and it gets overwhelmed sometimes.
I say tend to because not all of them can be bothered to work something out with the police, or the police can't be bothered to work something out with the council, and there are large bureaucratic hurdles to overcome, and sometimes the police systems simply can't cope with any more data coming in, because they were made by lowest-bid contractors who put in the cheapest hardware they could find.
The cameras that do private parking normally don't feed into this system. A CCTV camera that someone has up for security purposes is definitely not feeding into any of these systems.
We used to get the Met Police ask us for footage from the systems we managed when something awful happened near them. This was normally a murder or an assault or something. They would then send someone round to collect it. They are collecting evidence, not intelligence.
I say this because I have the feeling that they want you to think there is some all encompassing "CCTV system" that they monitor, but I really doubt there is. At best there is a hodgepodge of disparate systems that could be queried, but in reality the capabilities of each are so mismatched that it wouldn't be much help to anyone.
A lot of the council cameras were manually operated. I mean, literally a guy with a joystick and 10 PTZ cameras just looking at them and moving them around. Also, to be clear, it seems that the council CCTV camera operators are largely the staff the council can't fire, but also can't trust to do bin collections. I assume the police, who sometimes share the exact same cameras, have better people doing this job. Monitoring these cameras must be one of the most boring jobs I can imagine, following closely behind the job of looking at all the automated traffic offences that our cameras produced. Yes, every single one of them is reviewed by a human to confirm it is an offence and not, say, someone wearing a jumper and walking down the road.
Oh, and a lot of those cameras are incredibly low resolution. Ours were 1080p and that was NOT normal. A large number of them were what was called D1 resolution, which I'd never heard of prior to this job, but is 720x480. Like, dog-muck resolution. Early phone camera resolution.
88clandestiny88@reddit
It isn't the cameras we need to be worried about it is the wifi routers and internet of things that are all capable of sending their transmission/reception data to a central processing facility that can render ANY environment within a given perimeter of devices as a 3D recreation of everything within that perimeter including objects in closets, drawers, pockets, under clothing, etc.. intelligence organizations have been using this for almost 2 decades now and it is a perfected technique utilizing the known rate of propagation of 2.4 GHz and 5GHz signals there is a very slight delay as the signals pass through objects of varying density and the 3D rendering of a particular space can notify those interested of how many people are present, how many weapons are present, what contraband may be there or hidden within items or walls etc. All based on simple virus that redirects telemetry data to a central processor and the communications like handshakes and verifications that are constantly taking place between your phone, router, TV, computer, refrigerator, microwave, gaming systems, any other persons phones or tablets and any other toys or cameras etc that have wifi or Bluetooth connectivity. It goes without saying that of course this same system can and does exploit your phone and computer cameras and microphones as well to soak up all information available in that environment.
This is much more invasive of a threat than optical cameras ever could be because there need not be a glinting lens pointed in any direction or a device that is out of place at all. It just utilizes what is already ubiquitous in modern life.
nospotmarked@reddit
Being cut down daily...by the wind, of course.
Happy-Tower-3920@reddit
I've said for like, over a decade now that target is not a retailer. It is a security company. Their surveillance systems are the real product.
Gryphin@reddit
Ya, explaining Target's almost NSA-level of city surveillance 5 or 10 years ago made a person sound like a tinfoil hat crazy. They would get cities to let them do insane levels of car and person tracking via cameras around a city in return for letting the cops have free reign over any data or video they wanted when investigating any other case. if there was a known or suspected shoplifter leaving their apartment complex or street their house was on, the system would automatically ping the security people in the stores to let them know to watch for them.
And Target never ever stops anyone until they break the felony larceny floor in dollars for the locale they are in so they can bang a shoplifter with a full prison time felony for stealing $10k worth of stuff instead of a tiny misdemeanor for stealing $120 worth.
Hollen88@reddit
And the small government folks love it.
OhGawDuhhh@reddit
Captain America: The Winter Soldier was a documentary.
howmanyturtlesdeep@reddit
What is Palantir exactly?
GreedyAd1923@reddit
Basically a spy company that wants to be the “operating system” of the government…
Think “finding patterns” in the mess of data, or constantly running background checks and tracking user activity (on steroids), or whatever AI powered dystopian system that “helps” law enforcement and national security agencies find “targets” without much manual monitoring or traditional surveillance work.
SunDifferent2998@reddit
The beginning of what the movie minority report is about.
howmanyturtlesdeep@reddit
Thanks.
Ignistheclown@reddit
It's also the name of the "seeing stones" from LOTR. You know, the one that the wizard used to spy and the dark lord uses to influence its users.
Pleasant-Winner6311@reddit
https://america2.news/content/files/2025/02/Musk-NRx-Memo-February-5-2025.pdf?ref=thenerdreich.com
This ☝️
wakanda_banana@reddit
Just wait til CBDC’s drop and your money is taken at the click of a button for not complying
Thoth-long-bill@reddit
Acronym please, thanks.
854490@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_bank_digital_currency
Thoth-long-bill@reddit
Thank you!
Spiritual_Owl_4758@reddit
You mean like Canada ALREADY did to citizens who they didn't like pushing back on their mandates?
ronpaulbacon@reddit
Yeah, I was on team trump because Biden was a Satanist and trump seemed godly kinda. But I realize now Trump too is a Satanist, possibly Antichrist.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
what?
that_nature_guy@reddit
A skitzo letting the voices run the show, best to not engage
ronpaulbacon@reddit
Oh my.
That’s quite an accusation. Truth you don’t understand requires you go through the five stages of grief. The temple will be rebuilt within the next ten years. Things will get petty weird soon.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
what?
ARODtheMrs@reddit
Whoever they want. Certain Non-Americans for now.☹️
irrision@reddit
Peter Thiel is scary too and an even better reason to be concerned about palantir. The guy doesn't believe regular people should have the same rights as billionaires and has said it in public interviews multiple times.
Lighthouseamour@reddit
He literally did when he tasked IBM to come up with a system to track the Jews
againer@reddit
We need to Terminator 2 that shit.
SalviaDroid96@reddit
Our government is fascist. People act so surprised but when I tell them Hitler was inspired by Jim Crowe America they begin to connect the dots.
Olivia_The_Cat_@reddit
Alarming-Leg-2865@reddit
As long as you're not illegally in this country or one of these illegal animals running around selling drugs and children into sex slavery, raping young girls and murdering people and the entire time pretending to be an upstanding "AMERICAN" citizen then you've got nothing to be afraid of do you.
Puzzleheaded-Will249@reddit
I have a number of MAGA family members and none of them are doing badly. In their cases it is racism and greed, they don’t want the darker skins getting ahead of them and Trump told them that he would make them rich.
Careful_Pause8699@reddit
More leftist BS...
Not unlike Bidet, he says plenty of crap that is stupid.
I don't even like Trump, but he never told his potential supporters he'd make them rich. Or not that I heard.
If he had, we'd hear people bitching about it saying he lied, and throwing it back at him.
Not saying he wouldn't lie, so he's a politician. They all lie when they think they need to.
Puzzleheaded-Will249@reddit
Not leftist BS, at a rally in Pennsylvania in September 2024 he said “Your incomes will soar. Your net worth will skyrocket, your energy costs and grocery prices will come tumbling down, and we will bring back the American Dream…”. No he didn’t use the word rich, but it seems that he alluded to it with the words soar and skyrocket.
Careful_Pause8699@reddit
Never said that in our area, thst I heard. I would not say my income has soared, but I've got both a raise and a bonus this year, as did my wife.
My ira and etrade stocks have done well, my eggs and grocery prices have gone down some, gas has dropped noticeably, and the electricity stayed the same.
Now my home owner's ins has jumped, but I blame that on the hurricanes and floods in the coastal areas and the tornados in the Midwest where I'm at...
I moved out of the hood, several hours south to a really rural area with land and cows for neighbors, so I'm living my dream.... I really can't complain. Doubt anyone would care if I did...
TinyEmergencyCake@reddit
Ice is breaking down doors and pulling people out of their homes in the middle of the night. It really doesn't even matter anymore if you hide at home.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
You’re all such brave freedom-fighters, straight out of The Matrix and Star Wars.
Here’s an easy solution to avoid these ‘stormtrooper’ raids: don’t be an illegal immigrant. Don’t cross the border illegally, and don’t let your visa expire.
Every country in the world has borders, that’s why they’re countries. If you don’t like it move to Antarctica or some other territory.
Sgt-Spliff-@reddit
So if they're not offering due process, how are we supposed to prove we're not illegal?
TheFieldAgent@reddit
With documents, IDs, visas. Same as any country.
Once again, they’re not just randomly deporting people. You get the chance to prove who you are, and immigrants can pause the expedited process if they claim asylum or fear of persecution.
Over 8 million undocumented immigrants crossed over during Biden’s presidency. Why didn’t they apply the legal way? If they’re willing to violate the sovereignty and federal laws of a nation, what else are they willing to do?
It’s easy for you say “just have open borders, don’t enforce them” from the comfort of your couch, but I’d be willing to bet you wouldn’t want a bunch of unvetted foreigners actually moving into your neighborhood, or your town.
GreedyAd1923@reddit
So you are saying you agree with instantly deporting people who came into the country following the rules and are actually showing up to court to pursue asylum since that’s practically their only chance at legal residency or citizenship?
You realize those people who have been following the rules and laws are now being targeted for deportation.
DHS attorneys wait til the last minute and move to dismiss the case. Judge says okay. Then undercover ICE agents arrest these people as they step out of the courtroom.
Is that really what you’re trying to justify ? You’re right they’re not randomly deporting people, they’re actually targeting the ones who are trying to follow the laws and processes that they were told to follow.
Source 1 https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2025/07/11/ice-immigration-court-deportation-injustice-251119
Source 2 https://www.opb.org/article/2025/06/12/immigration-courts-work-with-ice-to-boost-arrests
Source 3 https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ice-arrests-migrants-courthouses-opens-door-fast-track-deportations-2025-05-23
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Wtf are these links? Buzz off, hijack someone else’s thread
GreedyAd1923@reddit
Oh sorry for spoon feeding you sources that point out how wrong your point of view is and how shit Trump’s immigration policies have been.
Touch grass and fuck you
mrjackspade@reddit
Mother fucker, that's "due process". The very thing that Trump said would be too expensive.
What did you think "due process" meant? You even used the word "process" in your response.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
You understand, these are federal agents? They look up your name, run your fingerprints. I’m done arguing with this nonsense. Grow up.
Imaginary-Ambition55@reddit
Lol, they don't ask if you're legal or not when they storm your home. They've imprisoned US citizens, born and raised here. Wtf make you think they won't come for you next? You're defending people who don't give two shits about you and will walk over your corpse to get what they want.
The worst of it is that they have convinced you that your neighbors are your enemy, that the institutions created to protect you are out to get you, and that the only source of truth is trumps mouth. You've traded freedom for false safety and any dissent is treated as treason. Textbook authoritarianism.
Source - I already survived one tyrant.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Touch grass
active_vicelord@reddit
Are you retarded? Honest question
Imaginary-Ambition55@reddit
You first.
voidblanket@reddit
You treasonous freaks keep saying this as if they aren’t detaining US citizens you fucking Nazi
soherewearent@reddit
The challenge I have with your "don't be illegal" idea is that folks legally following processes are having their statuses arbitrarily revoked to then be scooped up.
One day they were legal, the next day they were not. How do you suggest they satisfy your suggestion?
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Source?
maraemerald2@reddit
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2025/3/22/trump-revokes-legal-status-for-530000-immigrants-in-the-us
Not the one you’re responding to, but here you go.
Trump has issued quotas for rounding up “illegals”. Those are basically impossible as actual illegal immigrants are good at hiding. So they’re making legal immigrants into illegal ones, because the ones who are legal are registered, and therefore super easy to find.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Those were Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan immigrants with temporary status granted by a president who was in mental decline, and at the helm of a sinking ship (Biden).
The Supreme Court backed the decision to allow the revocation of their temp status, and they were all sent legal notices, and asked to go home.
Sorry, but you’re still obligated to follow the law, even if you disagree with it. Don’t immigrate to the US if you don’t like the laws, culture, or people.
Gortex_Possum@reddit
Innocent until proven guilty. If you don't believe in that then you hate America and you hate her values.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Nice try. Yes, I “hate America”. Grow up.
Sorry, I don’t do conspiracy theories.
Gortex_Possum@reddit
Grow up? This is happening right now in America. Pull your head out of your ass and stop simping for an unaccountable Orwellian surveillance state.
Suureeeeeeee you don't, you only deal in true American alternative facts don't you?
BoredZucchini@reddit
Feeling a little defensive about finding out you would probably side with The Empire? Good.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Life isn’t Star Wars. At least come up with a real counter point to what I said.
No-Bathroom1967@reddit
Sorry you voted for a pedo who played you for a fool. I know, you really really thought they were gonna release the files didn’t you?
You fool. Played yet again.
BoredZucchini@reddit
You’re the one who brought Star Wars into this. What’s there to counter? You’re clearly just a Trump voter who’s feeling defensive and lashing out. Did you think you made an interesting point or something?
TheFieldAgent@reddit
So in other words, you can’t think of one? Just go away then
BoredZucchini@reddit
I think I did. Pointed out your motivation and made you feel uncomfortable. Mission accomplished
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Lol ok
moststupider@reddit
Horseshit. Unless you are a billionaire, those boots you are licking will eventually come for you as well, dipshit. Exclusively pathetic losers simp for this shit.
Worldly_Cap_6440@reddit
Nazi scum
TheFieldAgent@reddit
So brave.
mongooser@reddit
Guess it’s time for booby traps. If law is out the window, they get lawlessness.
altiorrex@reddit
I believe the term is "ungovernable".
Educational_Art_8559@reddit
I smell FEAR!!!
Excellent_Check7125@reddit
If you are here illegally GO HOME LAW BREAKER!!!
Necessary-Expert-929@reddit
Get a life people 🤣😂😂🤣
Olivia_The_Cat_@reddit
Hopefully they get those illegal immigrants
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
BT would be disappointed in you.So would Preston Garvey.So bizarre seeing someone who is so….you…be…racist..?? Hate immigrants??cheer on …ice? Lmao,republicans hate furries but I guess anyone can be an idiot lmao
Olivia_The_Cat_@reddit
Well your the liberal Karen wanting worst stuff to happen to our country their living off our benefits we deserve to get legally their criminals so if i were you id shut the fuck up and do your research Karen
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
Lmaoooooooooo what the fuck 💀
Olivia_The_Cat_@reddit
And your just messed up in the head if you dont see what is actually happening with these illegals lol
Olivia_The_Cat_@reddit
Lol id drop it before you get your ass handed too lo
Moiecol21@reddit
In regards to kidnapping, you mean deportations.
fruderduck@reddit
This shit is getting seriously out of hand. Are people going to have to start hiding their neighbors? They are forcing war.
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross,"-often attributed to Sinclair Lewis.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but Fascism has arrived ,friend.It’s been here a while now ,but hey at least it’s in 4k!Thanks internet :)
Despite our technological advances ,Gil Scott Heron got it right .
The revolution will not be televised.
This kind of escalation makes peaceful revolution impossible.
“First they came…”and you know the rest.Everyone will know soon.
Stay safe.
germanjoern@reddit
The saddest part about this is, European facsist were elected out of despair, the one in America just out of stupidness and lack of the will to actually inform oneselve
ShaarkShaart@reddit
The real stupidity is looking around you and not seeing the despair. Everyone has been hurt by the medical system, the housing crisis, the stagnant economy that doesn't really recover. In 2016 many Trump supporters were also Bernie supporters, guess which one was struck down? The system refused to let progressives make minor changes so Fascism took root.
Before you blame the working class, look at what led us here. Better yet, gain some actual class consciousness.
sg92i@reddit
This was absolutely about despair and anger. Your typical heroin/fent OD is a post middle aged, white, male, rural American throughout this entire opiod crisis (post 2008) because they looked around individually and realized our social-economic system has winners and losers and they're the losers. They have no job prospects (post NAFTA), and once they lost their homes they're permanently pushed into the underclass of life long renters. One of the common threads of the rural counties that went damn near 100% MAGA in the presidential elections is that they're economically hollowed out and abandoned.... empty store fronts, dead mainstreets, falling in homes with roofs covered in blue tarps, yards full of broken cars etc. They're pissed off that the American dream didn't work out for them and the message of the MAGA movement is "its not your fault [even when it is], its because THOSE race/sex/age/ethnicity/etc people fucked you!"
germanjoern@reddit
I give you that, that still leaves large parts of trumps voter base out, atleast when I look at the data. That’s what I think is actually the scary part here.
That someone with no prospects in life votes out of anger and despair, is somewhat understandable. But someone who makes decent money, has somewhat of a comfortable life, votes just out of ignorance. They have no despair, no anger, not in a logical sense, more in a emotional one.
sg92i@reddit
I haven't yet met a MAGA person who has "no anger." Every one of them I have met in person seems to be a short fuse away from going into a psyc ward. That even goes for the wealthy suburban ones. I'm not saying they don't exist, it just doesn't line up with my personal experiences.
The common thread I have noticed is they all think their life sucks, whether it really does or not, and whether its their own fault or not.
Mysterious_Crazy8035@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣 you must live in Chicago or California lol
sg92i@reddit
Rural pennsylvania. Everywhere I go there's a segment of the population that's hugely pissed off all the time and that tends to go hand in hand with the people wearing the merch.
Mysterious_Crazy8035@reddit
Im from S.C. and i haven't met anyone that I can think of that voted from Trump that are generally pissed off people, outside of personal issues. Maybebits because youre up north, where people typically vote Democrat
germanjoern@reddit
But doesn’t that prove my point? I mean, when someone who has no job, living in middle of nowhere with near no job option is angry and desperate, it’s somewhat reasonable.
But the ones with a degree, living in a Suburb, making somewhat decent money, thinking that their life sucks and then voting out of the same reason like the poor one, is not logical, it’s emotional bias in a sense, ignorance even I would say
Goge97@reddit
I agree with you. And how many years of AM talk radio, Fox News propaganda, unbalanced political speech did it take to turn previously reasonable, rational Americans into rabid irrational lemmings?
The rest of us were disgusted by the process, but honestly, we never thought it would wipe out character, morals and faith in the American values like it did.
germanjoern@reddit
Well, one have to take it easy on Fox News and co, because to be fair, they had an easy target. From what I‘ve seen as an outsider, American Exceptionalism was/is preached early on. That makes an easy target. Combine that with the fact that Public education is primarily financed by Property Taxes, with the fact that still to this day ethnics and social status lives side by side, you will exactly get this result.
The most diverse country on the planet and by far richest, doomed because stupid hard dividing lines.
BigJSunshine@reddit
I agree with both points but would add that it goes back to 2000, maybe earlier. In 2000 I was a young lawyer in Detroit barely making enough to cover my student loans, my less educated friends worked steel and die or on a big three line. With unions and overtime some were making double what I brought home. They had cabjns up north and jet skis and houses in the suburbs.
They hated Clinton and NAFTA and absolutely voted Bush. And they never turned back. Not even in the face of insipid “right to work” laws- not as the unions declined due to propaganda. Not as pensions were destroyed and replaced by 401ks reliant on the whims of a stock market, healthcare, faux news… you know the rest.
They literally couldn’t understand they were helping destroy their own wellbeing and future, they still don’t, and they don’t care.
Electronic_Syrup7592@reddit
I’m sure some of the towns are like that, maybe even a lot of them. It’s not at all like that in my old hometown, though, and they still voted overwhelmingly MAGA.
Isurvived2014bears@reddit
I would think this was despair more than hatred. Did the haters like Trump? Sure. But I think a majority of votes came from people sick of corporate greed and he seemed the lesser of two evils. That being said, no matter who sits in office benefits when they do what they are told. Those who don't end up like Kennedy, or Regan, or Lincoln. Trump was warned and he fell into line.
DeadlyYellow@reddit
Hey now, don't rule out hatred; often under guise of religiosity.
No-Use3482@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Defending_Freedom
germanjoern@reddit
Hatred was also a thing of the facsist movements in Europe. But with the difference that hatred was common back than in all of Europe
Demons0fRazgriz@reddit
You don't think it was out of despair? People are struggling. Jobs aren't paying. Housing is getting too expensive. Our skilled labor is getting sent overseas. 60% of Americans are one bad day away from complete poverty.
A select few just got really good at convincing key demographics that it's the minorities and gays faults for their struggles rather than, you know, companies looking to maximize profits
Then-Scar-2190@reddit
I don’t think the current American situation can be called despair in the same way post world war 1, post black Tuesday Germany was. We are adapted to an extreme level of privilege in this country. Keep in mind that Treaty of Versailles left Germany with huge reparations payments after WWI and America was loaning to them to get out of poverty left in aftermath of WWI. When the markets collapsed and we couldn’t loan as much the entire country was desolate in a way people our age, in this country, cannot imagine. Americans didn’t elect him from true despair. We elected him from our sense of entitlement, greed, hatred, and ignorance.
germanjoern@reddit
To be fair, I don’t think that the average Trump voter was actually that much struggling. Despair might be a part of it, but not on a scale like it was in 1930s Germany.
What I read in data and Statements from Trump supporters, was more of an emotional despair. On paper, the economy was doing good, inflation was down, heck the US economy actually outperformed every Major economy on the globe.
And yes, I know, Struggling financially was and is a thing. And I know that the average Americans actually have no high savings. I’m not stupid in this way. As the 1% outperformed everyone.
But realistically, the situation back in Europe in the 20s/30s was way worse.
mcslootypants@reddit
I’d say the despair isn’t exactly strict material conditions, but rather the decline of the middle class.
Knowing we’re by far the richest country in the world, but that’s not what the average person experiences. Life feels like it’s getting harder. People aren’t starving, but they are scraping by when they should be thriving.
thebaron24@reddit
These people have been supporting policies and politicians who have been stripping the middle class of their power for decades. Republicans have multiple people who made a killing off of how to send half the company overseas and now all these people just elected them to fix the problem they created.
germanjoern@reddit
I might want to add something here: somehow in the past, politicians have successfully convinced the public that everything that we have in Europe what makes life enjoyable, is socialistic/ communistic. Universal Healthcare? Even our German system where everyone pays for their insurance, is deemed socialist policy. Cheap education? Socialistic. Two weeks paid vacation days ? Socialistic. And the list is far longer
Necessary-Start4151@reddit
We need to stop excessive spending. Get by with less discretionary shit we think we need but can get by without. Stop getting the newest iPhone every year. We’ve been conditioned to spend and spend. For those that can, save more.
AnOnlineHandle@reddit
The most downtrodden groups are the Republican's victims, not their voters.
Republicans are largely driven by sadism rather than desperation.
AluminiumCucumbers@reddit
If voting for people who are just going to fast track selling everyone and everything to the techno-oligarchy isn't clear-cut stupidity, what is?
Demons0fRazgriz@reddit
Hey now! Give them some credit! They can be desperate and stupid lol
But people never see themselves as the stupid ones. No matter how many times the leopard eats their faces
Plus-Stable-8946@reddit
We have despair too - despair for the loss of integrity.
NWYthesearelocalboys@reddit
Americans by and large have been duped. How many politicians on both sides have campaigned on repealing the patriot act only to expand on it?
Our politicians have been bought, paid for and blackmailed.
Dasylupe@reddit
American fascism was chosen out of decadence. A nation of intensely privileged know-nothings who filled the voids in their souls with fear and hate, primarily out of boredom.
Most of us still don’t realize what we’ve lost.
phovos@reddit
that is bullshit lmfao the Europeans were evil nazi collaborating bastards exactly like the USA is today and Europe remains to be to this day.
BanIfYouRGhey@reddit
Yes I agree, Russia is a bunch of nazis
gerblnutz@reddit
The majority of party and gestapo men were quietly given new identities and positions back in the west German government or brought to the US to help staff and train the CIA and other "anticommunist" intel orgs. We felt the nazis already had their spy networks and anticomunist hatred and leave behind terrorist cells across central and eastern europe and scandanavia, as well as the majority party members were industrialists we couldn't possibly punish, they were just doing business after all so we just called them a democracy and told them to bury their uniforms in the back yard for a couple decades until that whole thing blows over.
germanjoern@reddit
While what you said mostly is true, you need to look from a different perspective. After Hitler gained Complete power, you needed to be a member to actually take part in life. So much so, that in 1945 over 8 Million people were a member of the Party, not counting the serveral other Plattforms/Communities of the party. The same like with the SED in communist eastern Germany. And, admittedly, the somewhat influential NSDAP members tried to hide their actual crimes against the public view. As in when someone told you that they actually had no idea what was happing in the KZ‘s , that they had no idea, they could only speculate about it.
phovos@reddit
fucked me up when I learned the Catholic church helped the CIA get Nazi warcriminals out of their fates with the ratlines. We may as well be called the third reich, not the fourth, it quite looks like operation paperclip was about securing the Nazi experiment's assets. Probably what is going to happen with Israel; it will get overrun eventually and we will swoop in and safe as much of the genocidal edifice as we can.
pixie6870@reddit
I just learned about this with the Catholic church in a historical fiction novel with the detective Bernie Gunther by Philip Kerr. I am on his fourth novel and have learned a lot about who helped the war criminals in Europe, plus a bunch of other history.
phovos@reddit
Did you know Moscow at the time called itself the "Third Rome"; there were "Two" Romes, one solidly European the roman Catholics at the Vatican and the other the Eastern Orthodox in Istanbul/Constantinople and after Constantinople fell to the Muslims, Russia started to see itself as the 'new' eastern orthodox Christian empire (replacing Constantinople as the 'real' Christian capital, unlike the pretenders in Rome).
I think the "Nazis" were utilized by the Atlanticists and the Catholics to attempt to out-compete and kill the Soviet baby in the cradle; it was us from the very start there is nothing "German" about it, its just "Western" fascism, seated at the Vatican and in Washington and London, not Berlin, that is the true edifice of evil in the 20th and 21st century techno-racist fascism.
pixie6870@reddit
I didn't before, but I do now. Thanks for the enhancement on this. I think the novel does mention the new Eastern Orthodox empire that Russia was aiming for.
couldbeahumanbean@reddit
I think there might be some despair baked into it.
IMHO, it comes down to wealth inequality. Some folks know the real causes, some are fooled into thinking it's an immigrant, trans, woke problem.
Just my 2¢
Severe_Scar4402@reddit
It was also despair here. Just the despair of racists and bigots who thought they were losing their power. They think someone else getting rights somehow takes rights away from others. Like civil rights are a pie being cut up.
curiousitrocity@reddit
This administration was not elected, its power was taken/stolen by technology and electronic devices. The proof coming to light is the only change we have of coming together to take our country back, knowing this is NOT “what we voted for”.
germanjoern@reddit
Even if we consider that voting machines were rigged, there is still a large minority that voted for this. And the thing is imo, if they weren’t elected this time, they would have been in 2028. As I also think that Trump is not capable to understand what he actually does, it’s the People around him that are actually the heads of the whole operation
VirtualDoll@reddit
The problem is that after the Civil War, we gave them a slap on the wrist and allowed them to still be dicks for the rest of forever. After WWII, we had a huge tribunal to punish all the wrongdoings, but then just.... absorbed a ton of high-ranking Nazi officials and scientists and engineers into our own ranks.
Unless we actually SQUASH this, it's an infection that will continue to fester and boil right back up in the future.
bilgetea@reddit
This is a key feature of American fascism: the USA of yesteryear, the imperfect one that was always improving and aspired to be better, died not from an attack of overwhelming force, but with a whimper of stupidity, entitlement, and obvious charlatanry. All of our military force? Useless, probably even a danger. Our ideals - documents, history, and the heroism and sacrifice of our grandfathers? Wasted.
Ok-Particular7537@reddit
I just can’t believe how naïve and blind so many of you are. Thank God both our president and vice president. It’s funny how every other country on the planet has borders and have laws and you can’t just walk in the country.We are a nation of laws. And this is an amazing country. It has a veteran it turns my stomach to see so many Americans act like fools
SwimmingInCheddar@reddit
The revolution will absolutely not be televised or get any media attention.
Nokind@reddit
When Fascism arrived in America it came in Merrill boots, 5.11 gear, and Grunt Style t-shirts.
bradbikes@reddit
Remember that that poem was written by a nazi supporter. They come for you all, eventually.
Soft_Walrus_3605@reddit
Please fix your spacebar
Omnom_Omnath@reddit
when it comes? my dude, fascism never left.
Cove-frolickr@reddit
The revolution is being televised lol it’s just not the one we expected
angiosperms-@reddit
There are already people helping to hide their neighbors. I know someone who is running errands for the rest of their family because even though they have been citizens for over 20 years they are from Mexico. We should organize something to help people in our neighborhood who are in a similar situation, I would be happy to get them groceries or whatever so they can stay home.
Jumpy-Station6173@reddit
Currently this is now against the law, so by doing so, you will end up being arrested and taken away if they figure it out. Not saying you should not do it, just keep this in mind.
Akiraooo@reddit
People have no idea how crazy technology is in today's world.
There is no hiding from infrared cameras.
Then we also have TVs, washing machines, etc, connected to the internet, listening to people.
anthro28@reddit
Did you know your home interior, including moving people, can be mapped by simply monitor your wifi signals?
Something about the way bodies/objects create interference. Sort of like sonar.
Bajadasaurus@reddit
This. THIS. Everyone saying "eventually the good guys always win against fascism" are being either ignorant, or they're disingenuous, because never before in history have dark forces held this type of technological power.
sg92i@reddit
The good guys don't always win, but on a long enough time scale fascism probably never lasts forever. Eventually it implodes from constantly targeting itself. Of course, that could be for all practical purposes a lifetime or two before it runs its natural course (see Spain- fascist out of the 1930s but is not today- it was not outside invasion that ended the regime).
Irverter@reddit
Spain is particular example becuase the regime didn't collapse nor was "defeated". The choosen sucessor reformed it into something different.
GoodBoundaries-Haver@reddit
There's no need to be defeatist. A simple mylar blanket, the kind in most emergency kits, can block IR cameras. Anything that blocks body heat can hide you from IR including thick blankets and vegetation. You can also use heat sources like stoves and fires to create distractions. Here's a link with more ideas! https://www.agmglobalvision.com/How-to-Avoid-Thermal-Imaging-Devices
Also something to keep in mind: more complicated technology has more points of failure, higher maintenance cost, and causes people to lose skill as they rely on tech over their own senses and skills. All hope is not lost, we are in a bad situation but we are not defeated. All these devices can be sabotaged often through shockingly simple, cheap methods like poking the microphone hole on a device with a needle
confirmedshill123@reddit
Yeah but if you walk around with a mylar blanket you just become the "mylar blanket guy" in this area and they will track you other ways.
It's real easy to track mylar blanket guy into the coffee shop and then watch him swipe his card while you're sniffing packets and see who mylar blanket guy is.
GoodBoundaries-Haver@reddit
They were talking about hiding people. If you're hiding someone in your home and you're worried about IR detection, you can cover the person you're hiding with mylar. I'm not talking about walking around with a mylar cape... Most people should already have emergency blankets on hand.
confirmedshill123@reddit
Gotcha, for that purpose yes that would work if you knew somebody was pointing thermals at you.
Barragin@reddit
"A simple mylar blanket, the kind in most emergency kits, can block IR cameras."
LOL
You must not have seen any of the many Ukraine drone videos wiping out russian soldiers in mylar blankets.
Spoiler alert: The blankets don't work.
Akiraooo@reddit
The tech i mentioned is outdated, but were small examples of how tech has changed since World War 2.
There is tech not in the public domain right now that people would think the people wielding it are wizards.
almerle@reddit
War? We have a nazi searching for 'jews' at our front doors....ya fcking kidding me? Are they going to spray paint the road in front of suspected damn houses?
dontletfriends@reddit
This is exactly what it is coming down to. They’ve been asking us “are you gonna help them?!” and we have to make a choice now.
FesteringAynus@reddit
Its already happening. I know a lot of U.S. Citizen Hispanics who are being hidden away and protected by their neighbors. They run groceries for them, errands, and provide protection and even escort when they have to go out to appointments. I have to delete this comment now.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
There's a loooot of hype right now, but it's important to keep in mind that, even though they make mistakes that they later correct, ICE is only going after illegal immigrants. Their only goal is to enforce the well established consequences of illegal immigration in any nation, for any race of person: deportation
apudgypanda@reddit
ah yes of course they totally act in good faith. They totally have NOT abducted US citizens without due process and put them into concentration camps where they still reside. They totally have not abducted people for speaking out in dissent of the governments actions, and they totally have not have had dozens (that we know of) die in their detainment facilities.
Few-Obligation-7622@reddit
Our government has totally NOT sentenced people to life in prison for a murder that was later realized to be a mistake and overturned.....
It happens at every level of crime. It absolutely sucks.
If nobody committed crimes, nobody would be wrongfully convicted of crimes.....so don't blame law enforcement; blame the criminals. And there are soooooo many illegal immigrants responsible for this problem.
agent_mick@reddit
With excessive force, no due process, and enough "administrative errors" to get you sent to el salvador.
I'll pass, thanks.
KnoxGarden@reddit
The answer is yes. Yes, be prepared to hide your neighbors.
ravidranter@reddit
That is already happening
GoldPenis@reddit
"It will be bloodless if the left allows it" They have already declared war on you they have threatened you and they are betting people will keep their heads down and allow it out of fear.
FARGlN@reddit
The American resistance post very sarcastic comments and make witty signs, if only ICE read them, all would not have been lost.
Any_Leg_4773@reddit
We need to be arming minorities. The 2nd amendment is for everyone.
mike4kz@reddit
If you are in the country illegally, don't be scared by ICE...
LEAVE!
real-Speepers@reddit
ICE doesn't go door to door, don't fall for the propaganda....
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/s/OxHocHx0OK
If they knock on any doors at all in sweeps like this,that is my definition door to door
solarpropietor@reddit
This I’m saddened to say, sounds like a precursor to civil war.
88clandestiny88@reddit
Yeah, but the thing is they are trying to trigger a Racial Civil War. What will actually happen will be the thing they fear the most. That is a class war. We all have way more in common with each other than we do with the "ruling class" and their masked henchmen bitches that are doing their bidding will instantly flip sides when they realize how insanely outnumbered they truly are.
bristlybits@reddit
it's as stupid as Manson's plan.
race wars only happen in the minds of the deranged. class war happens all the time.
clown-guuutzz@reddit
Something bigger than a civil war seems to be coming based on everything in the news.
KptKreampie@reddit
"The revolution will be mostly bloodless if the left allows it."
piconet-2@reddit
What is the shit is this? This isn't freedom or America.
bristlybits@reddit
this is what all the dudes who pretended to be upset about Ruby Ridge actually waved
Electromotivation@reddit
This is time, we need to overthrow Trump now. Not next year. This summer.
Sunandsipcups@reddit
And, they just announced the other day that ICE can enter your home without a warrant, without your permission, if they "think" an illegal immigrant might be in there. :(
bristlybits@reddit
where are all the rush limbaugh screamers these days anyway
oh yeah. they got jobs at ICE
notdeadyetiguess@reddit
They'd be meeting all of my boyfriends guns 🔫 pew pew pew. I don't know how to shoot but I played duckhunt and have pretty good aim lol
rfvijn_returns@reddit
Easy for those agents to enter the find out phase very quickly.
854490@reddit
Maybe it's time to take some cues from Home Alone, lol
notdeadyetiguess@reddit
Lol 😆 ikr
thefutureizXX@reddit
Wasn’t that always the case if you live within 100 miles of a border? Is it everywhere now? 😳
Interesting-Oil-7057@reddit
If you are here legally, you should not have to fear ICE. If here illegally, too bad.
Beginning-Spend-3547@reddit
Download the ice block app if you haven’t already. Everyone in CA that isn’t a psychopath should be downloading it.
fadingsignal@reddit
Sure it’s not a honeypot?
Beginning-Spend-3547@reddit
Yeah. It’s legit
RoofGeneral8219@reddit
Get the Ice Block app for your phones please to track ICE agents and warn family & friends.
the_ffuuu_face@reddit
Or, follow the laws that were democratically voted upon. Report illegals to ICE.
ICE Tip Form | ICE:
https://share.google/v4Bk1SrNzHED3hBtj
Or:
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Extreme-Law4688@reddit
First they came for the illegals, And I did not speak out— Because I was a citizen
the_ffuuu_face@reddit
And then that was the end of it.
the_ffuuu_face@reddit
The pigeons are coming home to roost, the reap of the crops is beginning.
Practical-Cut4659@reddit
There’s still evidence of “kidnappings” or “government hunting people in droves.” The mayor’s advisory emphasizes awareness and safety, not panic. And DHS clarified that people here legally “have nothing to fear.”
maritimo75@reddit
Enforcing the law that YOU voted for is not kidnapping. Its called Law Enforcement action.
Internal-Raisin-6503@reddit
The only problem is that local government is not out hunting with the federal government. It's called treason when an official puts illegals over citizens.
Bunka57@reddit
It’s not THEIR government that is doing this. They are here illegally and deserve what they get. # Deport all illegals
Focus_Knob@reddit
34% of voters approve of ice
ActiveSurprise172@reddit
Literally just enter the country legally.
mmpress1@reddit
Good on you for posting, and helping to make everyone aware . When we are silenced as citizens, we lose our voice!
Business_Debt5222@reddit
Liberal Democrats are a mentally ill and mentally challenged group of people. If you are a US citizen, there is nothing to fear from ICE. If you are an illegal or trying to protect illegal, which is against the law, you have plenty to worry about.
PieGluePenguinDust@reddit
i see MAGA has arrived
Business_Debt5222@reddit
Sorry, you're wrong again. Trump is an unlikeable jerk. He is also a better person for the Presidency than any Liberal or Democrat. That is a failing on you because you vote Blue no matter who. Sad, just sad.
More_Mind6869@reddit
There's nothing quite like a right-wing fascist Police State to unite the masses. Unless it's a left-wing Police State.
MattyLight30@reddit
It’s not their government
We working on sending them back to their government
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
I for one welcome the crime reduction.
DelphiTsar@reddit
Foreign born people have some absurd lower crime rate. Latest numbers 71.7% of ICE detainees had no criminal conviction. Most people getting scooped up are for traffic violations. General foreign born crime rate is so much lower it might actually be increasing the per capita violent crime rate in the area which is kind of humorous.
The implication also being that criminals weren't targeted before, which is silly. Trumps deport numbers aren't that much higher than Bidens, some months they have been lower.
Keep clutching your pearls at caravans. It's pretty clear why Trump loves the uneducated.
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
I welcome you to walk around diverse neighborhoods at night if they are that peaceful. 🤔
aries_letsfight@reddit
Sounds a lot like fear-mongering rhetoric. Y’know the same kind of propaganda recited by Christian nationalists and militia groups that constantly whine about low birthrates for their own demographic group. Really tragic how many ppl have been duped into believing that nonsense
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
Sounds like denial.
DelphiTsar@reddit
If you plucked out random foreign-born people and put them in a city I'd move there in an instant. It would be one of the safest cities in America.
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
From what population?
DelphiTsar@reddit
All "populations" of foreign born have lower crime rate then US born citizens. It's fairly simple to look up and is well known. Feel free to query whatever "population" you think is committing high rates of crime.
You have succumbed to the same propaganda used for literally the beginning of recorded history. You'd think people would stop falling for it 5,500 years later but I guess not...
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
Look. I know we both know the class imbalance problem driving that statistic. I know it. You ought to know it.
If the majority of violent crime is committed by a small minority of the population and they happen to be born in the US, then the foreign born rate can't be relatively high. Drop them as a separate problem.
What happens when you do that? Oh, the difference flips the other way.
DelphiTsar@reddit
It really doesn't though, even if you are trying to tiptoe around it being a race thing (If not I am just trying to get it out of the way 90% of the time this conversation devolves into that). Lower class white population has higher crime rate then lower class foreign born Hispanic. Unless you are suggesting you compare all classes of foreign born to Middle class/upper class US? Honestly even that isn't going to help your argument as much as you think. Lower class Hispanic foreign born have lower crime rate then middle class US born whites.
I encourage you to read up on rome as it's a good case study. Sentiment toward foreign born is correlated effectively 1-1 against Romes relative power. The more accepting of foreign born the country gets stronger, the worse the sentiment the country gets weaker. The same trend is mirrored in basically every hegemonic society. Weak leaders scapegoat people with no institutional power and weak societies breaking under the weight of their mediocracy latch on to it to explain their shortcomings.
US is just a weak society electing weak leaders.
stumpinandthumpin@reddit
Oh yes. The foreigners are so law abiding ... but https://www.ussc.gov/research/quick-facts/federally-sentenced-non-us-citizens Do you honestly believe something so stupid? I mean really.
aries_letsfight@reddit
Sadly this administration pardoned all of the violent criminals from J6 and now have given the cartels citizenship. The people being harmed right now are less dangerous than the native born nationalist lunatics trying to destroy our democracy
passionatebreeder@reddit
ICE is looking for illegal foreigners quit being delusional.
aries_letsfight@reddit
Yet ICE is actively picking up people and holding them in detention centers despite those people being legally here. People who have legal status, permanent residents, naturalized people and native-born citizens are being actively harmed nationwide. Let’s stop trying to defend the indefensible disgusting anti-democratic conduct.
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
https://abc7.com/post/judge-grants-temporary-restraining-orders-restricting-dhs-immigration-operations-southern-california/17077030/
passionatebreeder@reddit
Cool story, but that ruling is basically irrelevant and that judge has no proof these raids are race-based.
Turns out, when millions of illegals come into this country, get detained, get released somewhere and are given court dates in the region theyre released on, it gives ICE a lot of document information to identify people.
There's even more document information when states give out a whole bunch of documents to them, or they try to commit asylum fraud, which many do, and get access to a bunch of other american benefits and documents that require things like workplaces and home addresses to be kept current.
It's almost like we have literal shitloads of documents on the people being arrested, and if they happen to be there with illegal immigrant friends, then guess what? Those people are also going to be detained, and then when it turns out they are also identified as illegal, they too are going to be deported.
SunSmashMaciej@reddit
Passionate... breeder.....?
passionatebreeder@reddit
Got an argument?
Brianofalltrades74@reddit
The federal government isnt hunting American citizens. Only citizens of other countries that have broken the laws of the USA. They arent hunting them either. They are searching to apprehend them for deportation. Hunting is when you are searching to kill. You and others like you are the reason so many people live in fear and also are the birthing point of false info and fake news. You should be ashamed of yourself and you should also educate yourself before you post something as dumb as the above post.
aries_letsfight@reddit
But American citizens ARE being picked up and detained!??? Most people would lose their jobs if they were unlawfully arrested and detained for 2-3 weeks despite being citizens. We should ALL be upset that due process rights are being violated. The rule of law doesn’t matter if it’s only applied to some ppl instead of all…
4rp70x1n@reddit
No, YOU should be ashamed of YOURSELF, as this is absolutely true and if you didn't have your head so far up Trump's ass, you'd have seen actual reports of this.
You and others like you are why this country is a fucking fascist shit hole now. You don't give a shit about law and order or our Constitution.
HomeworkImportant899@reddit
I'm always packing, but a may start carrying a few extra clips just in case. Maybe a SBR shot gun on my back.
billybobron70@reddit
If there wetbacks they should be sent back period
PresentCharacter5593@reddit
It's about damn time. Brain-dead Biden let in 20 million and they all have to go, including the ones with the fake asylum requests.
PhaseGlass4240@reddit
Yup....I voted for this!
snasna102@reddit
https://youtu.be/BRDq7aneXnk?si=6JnP_25VPCjPdsX_
It was foretold in this 1964 animation
IsolatedAnarchist@reddit
Can't the mayor order their law enforcement personnel to stop these unknown, masked, armed people from indiscriminately harassing people?
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
They're feds, it's above.
IsolatedAnarchist@reddit
That would only apply if they're 1)actually federal agents and 2) executing a legal warrant.
If the fbi were going through your neighborhood grabbing whoever they happened to come across, you'd be within your rights to resist with any amount of force necessary to stop your kidnapping, and your local law enforcement would have a duty to intervene to protect the public.
Random kidnappings have never been legal as far as I've heard.
anthro28@reddit
"within your rights" and "won't get shot in the face" are two very different things.
Remarkable_Ad_7423@reddit
The question is, how do you know they aren't lawfully grabbing someone? Just because you don't like it?
IsolatedAnarchist@reddit
Lawfully going door to door and taking whoever they feel like?
If they were acting lawfully, they'd have a warrant detailing exactly who they are looking for and where they are allowed to look.
Would you accept the cops breaking in to your home and taking away your family members on the strength of them saying you should just trust them?
Remarkable_Ad_7423@reddit
So as the law stands, law enforcement doesn't have to provide a copy of an arrest warrant during an arrest. They can just make the arrest. The indictment, complaint, or information that was used to generate an arrest warrant is provided at the initial appearance. Also, arrest warrants don't dictate where you can look. Search warrants do. You don't need a search warrant to make an arrest. Law enforcement can go into a house based on an arrest warrant alone. Nobody is privy to all arrest warrants being issued (except law enforcement), so any actions you take to thwart law enforcement making an arrest would be done without a full set of facts. You would just be guessing that they are doing something illegal and 100% would end up in jail.
ReallyExpensiveYams_@reddit
It has been ruled by the Supreme Court that cops do NOT have a duty to intervene to protect you
NewCobbler6933@reddit
Here comes the redditor with their non sequitur. That’s not what’s being discussed champ.
Emotional_Weird_1562@reddit
Most local police dept.'s main function is to generate revenue.
Spunge14@reddit
But they can be ordered to, right? I'm earnestly not sure how police chain of command works.
Framar29@reddit
Nope. They serve warrants. Any other duty is on an "if we feel like it" basis as upheld by the Supreme Court multiple times.
ChaosAnalyst@reddit
And they can decline to follow that order. Sweet union protection.
IsolatedAnarchist@reddit
Oh, I know. I'm being as facetious as humanly possible to hopefully hammer home the point that we've got to protect ourselves and each other. Nobody is coming to save us.
trichocereal117@reddit
The supremacy clause says federal law/jurisdiction trumps state jurisdiction. It would be plainly unconstitutional to do anything other than refuse to aid them
Aramedlig@reddit
Federal agents also cannot break the law, which is what these idiots are doing.
Skullcrimp@reddit
Federal agents can break the law, and they do all the time.
Aramedlig@reddit
And they can be held accountable for doing it.
drgilly@reddit
They *can* but they quite literally are almost never
Skullcrimp@reddit
Only sometimes.
-lovehate@reddit
I mean, they can if nobody is stopping them
Aramedlig@reddit
They can still be held accountable.
BSDArt@reddit
Lol. What's the Constitution have to do with anything these days?
ODBrewer@reddit
Exactly, rule of law is gone, it was voted out.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Boarder Patrol has authority within 100 miles of coastal boarders.
New-Process9287@reddit
Law enforcement authority does not convey the right to break the law or violate civil rights.
Mysterious-Action202@reddit
That also includes international Airports because they are considered ports of entry.
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
Just the airport, not 100 from the airport.
GamermanRPGKing@reddit
There's been raids around Pittsburgh, which isn't within 100 miles of a border except for the airport
Jumpy_Engineer_1854@reddit
I'm not an expert in the NE, but the Great Lakes count as the border, and Pittsburgh looks like it's right around the 100 mile mark. There's probably a dividing line around there somewhere if you were to plot out ICE activity recently.
-TheycallmeThe@reddit
Border patrol has authority nationwide. Within the 100miles they can do stops without a warrant.
https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone
They need warrants in Pittsburgh to arrest and reasonable suspicion to stop someone. But someone's rights that have been violated needs enough money and time to pay a lawyer and file a lawsuit for it to matter.
No-Philosopher-3043@reddit
They also have to, yknow, not just disappear. I’m still hoping my boys Richard and Zakpa turn up. They were disappeared quickly after the Haitians were asked to leave.
Framar29@reddit
It is, the Great Lakes are an international border.
GamermanRPGKing@reddit
And Pittsburgh is just beyond the range, like 120 miles to lake Erie
Framar29@reddit
Ah, I stand corrected. I thought it was just inside.
Any_Fun916@reddit
Why are they in Vegas if that map is accurate
No-Philosopher-3043@reddit
The federal law enforcement, so they have national jurisdiction to enforce stuff. This 100 miles is about warrantless search and seizure.
CautionarySnail@reddit
International airports may have a radius as well.
Troubled_Red@reddit
So all of Michigan? Seems like a bit of a stretch in their definition of within 100 miles of coastal borders.
frongles23@reddit
Nobody said coastal borders. Its borders.
Troubled_Red@reddit
Lmao the comment literally says costal borders 🤣 so they did in face say it.
Do you think that Chicago is with 100 miles of a border if you aren’t counting the coast of the Great Lakes? Please.
No-Philosopher-3043@reddit
It doesn’t matter what you, them, or I think. The Feds define it that way, so that’s how it is. 100 miles from any border, even if it’s the coasts of the Great Lakes.
Troubled_Red@reddit
I simply said i thought it was a stretch of the definition and expressed my surprise. Idk why I’m not allowed to say that? Then this other person came in here telling me “no one said costal borders” when the comment I was replying to literally says “Boarder Patrol has authority within 100 miles of coastal boarders.”
SenorBurns@reddit
Two-thirds of Americans live within 100 miles of a border.
Of course jurisdiction does not mean "Do any illegal shit you want." And people still retain their rights as outlined in that document that Republicans think is toilet paper.
Jumpy_Engineer_1854@reddit
a) They are actually Federal agents. Anyone saying that anything otherwise is regularly happening has been fearmongering. Federal agents don't have a single uniform and can use whatever they feel is tactically relevant at any point. Prior to the recent issues they were usually just dressed liked normal civilians when doing these duties unless they were expecting trouble or it was a large operation. The people claiming all over the place that these are random impersonation kidnappings are probably encouraging the few recent copycat incidents that are now occuring.
b) They have the authority to stop and interrogate any Alien in the US, anywhere. That's literally their job. If they have reasonable belief that you're an Alien (eg, you're in a group of Aliens) they can stop and detain you until they can confirm that you're not an Alien. It's in your interest to make this process quick.
b) A warrant is only needed in some cases, especially in the border zone (100 miles from land or sea borders). And there are two kinds of warrants: administrative and judicial. Most planned ICE operations ("raids") will be under a judicial warrant. Most workplace enforcement and smaller actions in the border zone won't be unless there's an active *criminal* investigation going on as well as an immigration one. Individual actions on the street in the border area usually won't have a warrant (and, again, don't need one unless they're entering a residence AND it's not a hot pursuit).
Sylvan_Strix_Sequel@reddit
In theory, probably. In practice, absolutely no local or even state cop is going to arrest a fed.
Delli-paper@reddit
The humble M1 Abrams:
DOLCICUS@reddit
Hey they got humbled by a couple of Afghans and Iraqis with Soviet era explosives.
603rdMtnDivision@reddit
Not really, since a lot of the time those things would come back from the dead after an IED attack. Few exceptions but that Abrams is a hard tank to kill without big big booms.
Delli-paper@reddit
Do the fine people of LA have anything that good?
Upbeat-Stage2107@reddit
This also highlights the issues with no knock raids. Of course bullets will fly if someone kicks my door in at 2am unannounced
nismo2070@reddit
Damn straight. If someone is banging on my door at 2 am, they should expect hostility regardless of who they are.
frongles23@reddit
Local law enforcement does not have a duty to intervene to protect the public. There's SCOTUS case law directly on this issue.
GelatinousCrayon@reddit
Cops protecting the public lol good one
GamermanRPGKing@reddit
And since they refuse to identify themselves or show any id....
AntiSonOfBitchamajig@reddit
And aside the 100 mile authority they can also stop anything that is flying in internationally / at the airport it lands at.
walksonfourfeet@reddit
Are they though? How can you tell?
TinyEmergencyCake@reddit
They're not feds until positively identified.
https://www.newbedfordguide.com/massachusetts-trinitarios-gang-members-home-invasion-kidnapping/2025/06/25
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
They probably could... but, would they? Furthermore... would the police actually follow orders to interfere with their federal porcine brethren?
IsolatedAnarchist@reddit
They absolutely would not help.
ACAB, without qualifications or exceptions.
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
Go back to bed. All cops are not bastards
JMurdock77@reddit
Can you name a single incident in which they responded and prevented one of these kidnappings or at least verified that they were actual agents with a genuine warrant?
MrD3a7h@reddit
He's active in right-wing subreddits. He loves the kidnappings.
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
I dont love anarchy like you leftist do. Kidnapping? OK Rachel. How would you deport illegal immigrants?
Most likely you would dissolve our national borders if you could.
MrD3a7h@reddit
How are you determining whether they are illegal without due process?
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
They are asked for ID. If they dont have any ID or it is fraudulent they will be detained.
It is messy but the anger should be directed at the employers or the Biden administration for allowing this shit show to happen in the first place
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
so if i forget my wallet I should be imprisoned without the opertunity to provide a defense? Just that, no papers and im cooked?
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
If you drive a car without ID you will be detained if a cop pulls you over.
The feds look at the employees ss numbers and if found fraudulent you will be questioned.
Not kidnapped or held for ransom. 🙄
In a democracy congress and change immigration laws. They are enforcing current immigration laws.
Funny how you leftists hook up with silly keywords like kidnapping.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
also what am I suppose to do if the random LEO decides my ID is fake(it isnt) and arrests and detains me without due process?
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
If you have no outstanding orders to be deported than you will see a judge.
BTW, this could happen to a citizen who has a fake ID also.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
and at what point in the system can I prove im not whoever they say it am?
also they already shipped people that didn't have an order, so that's a lie
New-Process9287@reddit
Driving a car is a specific activity that carries hazards for others.
You are, instead, describing a "papers please" situation.
Never thought I'd see the American right wing go full on in support of the KGB.
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
not just papers please, but papers please as you sit in the back of a LEO vehicle after they kicked in your door. hope you remembered to grab your ID while getting detained
C-4isNOTurFriend@reddit
so you say i should be detained, then given my day in front of a judge to say yep forgot my wallet while walking down my street to the corner and back for some fresh air, and you say though, that I definitly should get my day in front of that judge to show my ID? cause without due process it's my word over the cops opinion during the arrest, and at that point I'm guilty in all future interactions, never getting the chance to exonerate myself?
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
Show me where they're asked for ID. Show me where when showing ID they are let go. Show me where when they are detained that they are kept locally so lawyers can do their jobs. You're either so far removed from what's actually happening by misinforming yourself, or you're being intentionally obtuse to what's actually happening, but either way, you're so wrong that I'd consider you stupid.
BuyMeSausagesPlease@reddit
Police literally don’t deserve life
DoPewPew@reddit
I’m sure you’ll get right on that after your mom serves your chicken tendies
MrD3a7h@reddit
Sound about white.
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
Sure all cops are white. You really are a racist fool
Skullcrimp@reddit
name one good one
anythingcirclejerker@reddit
Found the cop
Smooth_Tell2269@reddit
Appropriate name circle jerk😁
BicycleNo69420@reddit
What percentage isn't
asscheese2000@reddit
There are no good cops, only bad cops and complicit cops. In the very rare instances where a good cop exists, they are turned on by all the other cops for speaking truth and eventually pushed out.
Triedbutflailed@reddit
And yet absolutely none of them can be trusted to protect us from armed kidnappers abducting us from our homes. Weird.
Mr--Warlock@reddit
BWR: Bavmorda Was Right.
Effective-Ebb-2805@reddit
Amen
JerseyDonut@reddit
Zero incetive right now for State and Local officials to pushback too hard on the Fed gov. All risk not a lot of reward. Its like a local shop keeper turning a blind eye to mafia goons roughing up their customers. Part fear, part apathy, part self interest/greed.
Midterms and local elections can change that. If voters send a clear message that we won't tolerate public officials who freely allow the Fed gov to terrorize their constituents then we have a chance. If not, then this will continue to escalate until it explodes.
operationiffy@reddit
🐷
voiderest@reddit
If it was random people they probably would but they seem to know it's the feds.
jcdoe@reddit
Are you going to order the local cops to have a stand off with the Feds?
AdFun5641@reddit
This interested me.
No, The mayor can't order the local police. They are contractors from the county sheriffs department and not actually employed by the city.
This isn't true everywhere, but it is the case for this specific city
oxfordcommaordeath@reddit
I suspect this warning is as close to interfering as they can get.
I hate that this is happening. I feel helpless.
No-Definition1474@reddit
They could order it but then it would force the local authorities to make a decision. Follow the order or refuse.
I assu.e there is enough fear that they might refuse and then its all over. By not making the order the mayor is not giving the local cops the opportunity to flip sides.
1988Trainman@reddit
if someone with no ID and a facemask that looks like a typical criminal points a gun at you. you have the right to self defense.
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
“Boy everyone in this country is running around yammering about their fucking rights. "I have a right, you have no right, we have a right."
Folks I hate to spoil your fun, but... there's no such thing as rights. They're imaginary. We made 'em up. Like the boogie man. Like Three Little Pigs, Pinocio, Mother Goose, shit like that. Rights are an idea. They're just imaginary. They're a cute idea. Cute. But that's all. Cute...and fictional. But if you think you do have rights, let me ask you this, "where do they come from?" People say, "They come from God. They're God given rights." Awww fuck, here we go again...here we go again.”
“…Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most...their government took them away. and rights aren't rights if someone can take em away. They're privileges . That's all we've ever had in this country is a bill of TEMPORARY privileges ; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list get's shorter, and shorter, and shorter.”
“…sooner or later the people in this country are going to realize the government doesn't give a fuck about them. the government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. it simply doesn't give a fuck about you. It's interested in it's own power. That's the only thing...keeping it, and expanding wherever possible.
“Personally when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all.” -George Carlin
1988Trainman@reddit
Just like property and rights are only yours if you can defend them.
Yes everything is made up. Your post is pointless
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
Just a few excerpts from George Carlin I found funny,and that I always think of when I see people mention our rights in any capacity.
I understand why you think it’s a pointless statement.Im sorry you feel that way.
I disagree.
I find it fascinating and kind of ironic how much of the general population in America still believes that we have rights .I think here in the U.S we tend to underestimate just how little we have thought about what it means to be governed by people who are above the law.
I think Americans are not angry enough yet,and not yet aware in what direction we are going.
We are an apathetic and sedentary bunch.I wonder what will be the thing that stirs the will of “We the People “ once again. We need actual,tangible,widespread change in this country .We need to continue to progress as we have been regressing for a long time.I think it will be within my lifetime.Whatever it is.
This is why I think Carlin’s contribution on this subject matters.His appeal to our sense of humor helps hammer home how we use soft language to downplay serious problems. We are not honest with ourselves as a nation anymore.It takes a bit of humility to face our problems .Comedy really helps dial in that kind of conceptual absurdity ,me thinks.
“Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.”-James Baldwin
I want more of us to face this reality ,as you and I have .
Parsimile@reddit
This is why tyrants hate comedians.
Cum-in-My-Wife@reddit
Your comments are not pointless. Don't let the other person shit on your activism.
People like that think their anecdotal evidence is a truth, and everyone knows this. If this were reality, we wouldn't be here.
agent_mick@reddit
George Carlin was a saint and no one can convince me otherwise.
reasonablescreams@reddit
He was certainly a prophet
somethingwholesomer@reddit
Buddy Christ
Bignicky9@reddit
George Carlin remains relevant even today (unfortunately, so much stays the same), and had a special way with words, being sharp and witty, even bitterly pessimistic in his later years, except when it came to Joe Pesci.
Anyways, you can jam to George here:
https://youtu.be/lfpqsHrRwBc?feature=shared
SunLillyFairy@reddit
Carlin was awesome! That said, if you feel like you have no rights, you might want to talk to citizens in countries like North Korea, Eritrea or Burma.
Omnom_Omnath@reddit
we didnt make them up. you fundamentally do not understand what rights are. they are not granted by the government. they are inherenent - inalienable - and the government is supposed to be prevented from infringing upon them.
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
Who's going to prevent the United States government from infringing on our "rights?" The government? Some other government? A billionaire or two? Now if you're going to say something dumb like, "the people," you need to understand that we live in a two-tiered justice system, where there are in-groups who the law protects but does not bind, and then there are out-groups who the law binds but does not protect. Most of us are in the out-group. If the people do rise up to demand these so called inalienable rights, do you think those in power are going to accept that, or will they use "the law" to oppress them?
Omnom_Omnath@reddit
the people. by using their guns against any who would infringe upon their rights. fucking duh
Spoon251@reddit
'God created Men. Samuel Colt made them equal.'
grebetrees@reddit
I’ve noticed they aren’t pulling much of this bullshit in Texas
No-Bathroom1967@reddit
Not like those Texans would do anything. They love this tyranny.
grebetrees@reddit
I seem to remember people in Austin open carrying at the BLM protests. Then a protester with an AK got shot by a Magat, Magat got convicted of murder by a Travis County jury, and fuckface Gov Gregg Abbott pardoned the murderer.
There are actually leftist gay gun clubs in the Austin area. Everyone here seems to be armed, left and right
Sure, out in the sticks all those magats wouldn’t lift a finger to resist, but the cities might be a different story if Austin is any indication. And the way the state government is hammering Houston, it’s gotta be a threat
It just occurred to me that Texas might be the first place we see civilian casualties 😬 because both sides are armed
Look_its_Rob@reddit
I agree but if it turns out to be a federal agent, you're in for a long prison stint.
1988Trainman@reddit
Not if the laws and jury work as they are supposed to.
Look_its_Rob@reddit
Its unfortunately how the law is meant to work. For example if you hit an undercover cop, it doesnt matter that you didn't know it was a cop.
1988Trainman@reddit
If an undercover cop is acting like a criminal and a reasonable person would fear for injury or death and a reasonable person would not assume they are a cop then yes you have every right to act in self defense in almost every state.
Look_its_Rob@reddit
Im not aware of an precedent that would support that but maybe you know of some cases that have set that precedent?
C-SWhiskey@reddit
Okay but when there's six of them you just end up eating bullets guaranteed.
Ok-Particular7537@reddit
Why should I lock my doors? I have not broke any laws???! Stop fear mongering.. i’m gonna cook out and have a nice barbecue and if ice come to my backyard I’m gonna hop in the burger cook out have a nice barbecue and if I come to my backyard I’m going to offer them lunch… And whoever continues to use the term kidnapping has obviously not been attacked or raped or murdered by one of the thousands of violent criminals that the Sleepy Joe administration allowed in to our country ..Thank you
No-Preparation-6516@reddit
So hypothetically, you're allowed to claim self-defense cause these masked bozos aren't showing warrants or dont have any identification saying they're feds
50_61S-----165_97E@reddit
I feel most sorry for the born and bred Americans with Latino heritage that are inevitably going to be wrongly detained and possibly deported to a country they've never been to,
clown-guuutzz@reddit
It's not even just Latinos. It's everyone now
KaleidoscopeLeft5136@reddit
I live in a mainly spanish speaking neighborhood. I am afraid and getting sick daily from fear for all my neighbors and family.
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
I have a friend who presented papers when asked getting off a bus and she was still beaten and detained. This purge has nothing to do with citizenship and everything to do with skin color.
red_whiteout@reddit
They’re coming for white-passing Latinos and even Spanish European descendants with no Latino heritage now too. If you have a Hispanic or Latino last name you’re probably going to get stopped or harassed (at the very least) in the near future.
DonTequilo@reddit
We are from and live in Mexico and every year we sign our kids to a one week long summer camp in the US, we have family in different states and cities.
We already paid for it this year, not cheap, but I’m scared of going, even as tourists things can go very wrong, my wife says we shouldn’t worry as we are tourists and we have our visas and everything but still.
This might be the last time we go, I don’t want to risk it even if the chance is 0.001% there’s still a chance.
Sorry your beautiful country is turning into this.
GeeTheMongoose@reddit
Do you have travel insurance? If so talk to them
DonTequilo@reddit
We usually just drive up there, so basically it’s just the summer camp cost (about 600 USD)
red_whiteout@reddit
My advice would be to cut your losses this year to protect your children. It’s not safe here right now. There’s no reason to believe that Mexican tourists will be treated as proper tourists. There are some anecdotes and stories floating around suggesting that ICE is wiping law enforcement databases of driver’s licenses held by US CITIZENS with Hispanic surnames. Latino citizens holding their US birth certificates in hand are still being detained. If you run into an ICE agent, they won’t care about your visa, I promise. They hate us, they want to eliminate us, and their power is unbridled. Would a Jew take a vacation to Nazi Germany in 1935?
DonTequilo@reddit
Wow that last question really put things into perspective.
I’m canceling this trip.
Thank you
Electronic_Syrup7592@reddit
I’m so sorry that you have to do this. I’m ashamed. But this is definitely the right decision. No way I’d bring my kids here.
red_whiteout@reddit
No problem. Stay safe 💛
gargravarr2112@reddit
Honestly, staying home and getting a refund is the best thing you can do. This regime (it's not a government) does not see non-caucasians as people. It only sees money. Take your money away from them and they'll start listening.
Don't risk it. The rule of law does not apply in the US now.
kaless_@reddit
man i would just cancel. theyre fucking with tourists and legit US citizens. its whoever that “agent” wants it to be that day from what its starting to seem like. sucks to say that but our country is in scary times right now and something is about to give here soon.
adoradear@reddit
Don’t go. I’m Canadian and there have been multiple (including white) Canadians detained. We don’t even need a tourist visa to visit the US as we’re such good “friends” 😑. Stay home where you’re safe. Don’t risk US travel this year.
LifeClassic2286@reddit
You are right to worry.
ManWhoTalksToHisHand@reddit
I'd stay home and get a refund. That whole, "tourists with visas," thing doesn't apply anymore. You can be detained, have your phones searched, and sent back, but they'll hold you for days or maybe weeks in a jail cell. It's not worth it. Stay home.
il0vej0ey@reddit
As a white woman with literal English Pilgram heritage, a US Army veteran and a healthcare professional who is publicly outspoken about this shit, I fully expect them to come for me. I have no kids and my affairs are in order. They will not take me alive.
emorymom@reddit
You do know the Feds are full of Latino agents? If this was true where is the whistleblower?
LeadSponge420@reddit
I've got a buddy living in PA that has created a plan with his wife for when he doesn't come home.
Twitchcog@reddit
I ain’t Mexican.
I ain’t any flavor of Latino.
I don’t look any flavor of Latino.
Some armed intruder attacks my neighbor in the middle of the night, I’m doing everything in my power to stop them. That’s what neighbors do. I hope others feel the same.
monos_muertos@reddit
All detainments are wrong. There are more suitable ways to go about processing the exploited workforce that soon to be bankrupt farmers have been voting to keep under their thumb for decades. This is about white demographic paranoia, and according to talking points of people like Posobiec, native Americans are also intended. They want to appropriate reservation land along with all BLM, national parks, and public lands. Palestine was based on how native Americans were treated, and now the eradication pogrom in Palestine is the model on how non white Americans are finished off, and how to respond to resistors.
After the natives and mestizos, black people and all other ethnic minorities are next, along with white resistors. Those of us in the disabled community already know they have been disappearing the homeless since at least the Obama years. to test public response. The T4 model was inspired by how the US used IBM, sterilization, and euthanasia on the disabled, which never really ended, only went low key after we had a president in a wheelchair, followed by a two generation trend of community driven economy and civil rights. The interests that are directing these pogroms are angry because they wanted to be here 100 years ago. America was meant to be the pan European bolthole for the rich, and as we see with the MAGA cult, white people make better slaves to whites than other groups because, despite not being he hardest working to most intelligent, they are obedient and willing, which is the most important outcome.
SauceCrawch@reddit
This sub draws in conspiracy lunatics like flies to shit.
You sound no different at all than the maga nuts who thought that the 2020 election was stolen and Biden was gonna put anti-vaxxers in camps.
I commend your creative writing, though. On the .00001 you’re correct and everything goes to hell, you may redeem this comment for 1 free jar of honey from my post-apocalyptic convenience store :)
Electronic_Syrup7592@reddit
The obvious difference is that this administration is ACTUALLY putting people in camps and bragging about it.
monos_muertos@reddit
Not only has Posobiec expressly said he wants the US to seize native American lands, he also has expressly said alcohol should be banned. Have fun pretending it's not happening. You're just like my relatives 20 yaers ago who said we'd never elect flat earthers or anti vaxxers, or dismantle our science apparatus because "We've come to far and no one would let that happen". Your expression is part of that gaslighting..."no one would let that happen", while it's happening.
SauceCrawch@reddit
John Posobiec? The pizzagate guy? If you’re taking your news from him then that is your problem.
That’s like me freaking out over AOC saying Trump supporters need to be put on a list, or fucking Keith Olbermann saying trump supporters should be “expunged from society”. Get a grip.
Btw what flat-earthing, anti-vaxxer did we elect?
ClaudetheFraud@reddit
Half of them voted for this — those people deserve it. The other half though…agreed
Extra-Mortgage-4757@reddit
Your comment implies that the other victims were correctly detained. Care to clarify?
aspz@reddit
I feel even more sorry for the asylum seekers who were told they would be safe in America from the war or persecution they fled from. At least if you are an American going to a new country, you are not necessarily in fear of your life. Asylum seekers often don't even survive deportation back to their own country.
Migitmafia@reddit
Not like anyone there can defend themselves anyways since ya know.. it’s California
Stinkybrownie69@reddit
Yeah it’s time for us rise up and take down the fascism. Through force. This is exactly what the 2nd amendment was written for
Deathnachos@reddit
If any of these democrats politicians gave 2 fucks they would put a stop to it. But they care more about their “federal aid” or they are pushing a narrative that is highly over-exaggerating. If they actually cared that ICE was larping as SOCOM to grab non-violent illegals from their homes then they would do something about it. But I guarantee you, despite why they said to get elected, that they don’t care.
primetime_2018@reddit
Do not try to pin this on Dems, when the Republican Party is co-signing each one of these decision. Direct your frustration at the people in charge.
Deathnachos@reddit
Yeah you must be one of them cause that sounds exactly like the deflection they would use.
LilLebowskiAchiever@reddit
How do you think they should “do something about it”?
schnaps01@reddit
Fun fact: Your ICE has now a similar yearly Budget than the entire canadian military. Do with that info what you want.
BingoWasTheFarmer@reddit
RIP US Constitution - 1788-2025
AcidTrucks@reddit
I would say it ended in March 2016 when the derelict Congress failed to confirm an appointed judge therefore dissolving the balance of power carefully designed in the founding documents.
emorymom@reddit
It didn’t last that long
854490@reddit
2001?
snasna102@reddit
I’ve seen this somewhere.
On an un-related note; why did society stop keeping diaries?
69-xxx-420@reddit
I started again. They say diaries become really popular during times of rapid change and shit like this.
Speaking of creepy, Reddit saves your half written shit to drafts so they can spy on your thoughts before you edit them to avoid being flagged. Yikes.
throwaway098764567@reddit
wth do you think fb is
snasna102@reddit
A future virtual graveyard
beforethewind@reddit
…not a personal diary??
GeneralBanana765@reddit
The Substack of Anne Frank
gargravarr2112@reddit
"To read the rest of this diary entry, please subscribe..."
sg92i@reddit
People in positions of power (in gov or corporations) abandoned diaries because it is something that could be submitted as evidence in legal cases, and/or if stolen could contain trade secrets or classified material.
gnit3@reddit
The Internet is a gigantic collective diary
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Anne Frank inspired others who survived genocide around the world. Might be worth starting again.
I've been keeping a 5-year journal for the past year and it's a really cool concept.
Blondefarmgirl@reddit
I just finished reading Anne Franks' diary. I always heard about it but had never read the actual book. It was really good.
systemshock869@reddit
Fun fact: Illegals aren't allowed to be here. It's literally illegal.
Refer to: Barrack Fucking Obama, you fucking idiots.
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Fun fact: The Biden Administration deported at a faster rate than the Trump Administration. Don’t remember these types of posts a few years back. Wonder why.
Oldebookworm@reddit
I don’t remember seeing ICE grab people off streets anonymously during Biden term either
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Yeah they really didn’t enforce laws or protect our borders.
swskeptic@reddit
You can't have it both ways dawg. The mental gymnastics on display here need to be the subject of scientific studies lol
GeniusLiberal@reddit
The Biden Admin didn’t enforce laws or protect our borders. What would you do with millions of illegals?
swskeptic@reddit
So did the Biden admin deport "at a faster rate", as you say, or did they not enforce the laws, as you also say? Do you really not see the conflict in those statements?
GeniusLiberal@reddit
I see how you could be confused by that. Both can be true. The sheer numbers of illegals coming in during the Biden Administration is astronomical compared to today’s encounters.
swskeptic@reddit
Please be for real.
fixxer_s@reddit
Which is it: deported at a faster rate or did not protect borders?
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Both. Border was like shooting fish in a barrel.
fixxer_s@reddit
How can it be both? They are mutually exclusive statements....oh, I get it....you are mentally challenged. Bless your heart
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Your butt stinks.
fixxer_s@reddit
Ah, such sparkling wit.
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Thanks, ma’am.
fixxer_s@reddit
No thanks, I work for a living.
GeniusLiberal@reddit
Touché
fernblatt2@reddit
Wrong
Mistress_Jedana@reddit
Because they did so within the confines of the law. They did not go sweep up people randomly, nor did they deport people to other random countries without due process.
If this administration had simply just stepped up the process, still using due process and without masked random thugs threatening to shoot people filming their actions, people would be less up in arms about this.
But masked people who refuse to follow any sort of laws regarding identify themselves, attacking people.simply for standing or videoing, hiding people in unknown places until they are deported to some country they may or may not have ever lived in, without any court appearances, is what this administration has ordered. Eerily similar to another situation that the world went to war over....
GeniusLiberal@reddit
You have a big heart. And that’s good. But they did sweep up people randomly. More than 1200 US citizens were detained during the Biden administration. No justice system is perfect, but we need to try and do our best.
XochiBlossom@reddit
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Comparing apples to rutabagas here
You are hilarious 😂
Poor baby can’t tell the difference between border deportations and government agents acting unconstitutionally
😂😂😂😂
Looks like the circus is in town
🤣🤣🤣🤣
GeniusLiberal@reddit
What would you do to the millions of illegals, buttface?
Captjimmyjames@reddit
Fun fact the majority of the deportations were people stopped at the border, not from roving gangs of bounty hunters kicking in doors like they're in Afghanistan or kidnapping people off the streets without due process .
GeniusLiberal@reddit
lol.
Much_Assistant_4922@reddit
these are NOT kidnappings!!!! If you're legal in this country you nothing to worry about. That mayor is in violation of her office. she be concerned with taxpayers safety only.
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
The Nazis did not kidnap people either!They only relocated them for national security!It’s a huge misunderstanding,they sent them off with tents and sleeping bags and s’mores!They went CAMPING not to camps!Our orange fuhrer can do no wrong,the president makes the laws!Just don’t be brown,gay,a woman,disabled,left handed,lactose intolerant ,or breathe air or drink water!And you’ll be fine!
Much_Assistant_4922@reddit
Nazis kidnapped citizens. Ice isn't kidnapping anyone. They are arresting illegal aliens and sending them back home. only an asshole democRAT could make that connection
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/s/bfOC8mAwTd
Sharing from another subreddit an example of the Tactics ICE is using in Utah yesterday and why Perris’s mayor ordered people to shelter in place.This is state sanctioned terrorism in broad daylight.This is why he said do not answer if they knock on your door.There are further examples of I.C.E escalating it’s use of force on this and other subs.They will use battering rams or explosives to get in without warrants .They are combing the streets guns drawn ,looking for US,the people.
--Ano--@reddit
If they show no arrest warrant, then how are you supposed to know, if the man in uniform is not a criminal trying to kidnap a girl for forced prostitution?
Cityzyn@reddit
These comments are an influence op lol
TheAwsomeReditor@reddit
I'm honestly happy i voted for trump ICE is enforcing immigration rules that should have always been enforced look at what poland and other countrys are doing to keep illegals out i dont see a problem come in legally or dont come in at all its not a hard concept 10/10 would vote for trump again so far so good boost that ICE funding
i_hate_beignets@reddit
👅🥾
Skullcrimp@reddit
you don't live in a free country
TheAwsomeReditor@reddit
I live in a country where there are rules letting an unsearched unchecked person in our country is the same concept as letting someone unsearched on an airplane im sure we all remembered last time what happened when an unsearched unknown person went on a plane
IsambardBrunel@reddit
Incorrect, being here illegally is a civil infraction, just like not stopping for a stop sign on a bicycle.
Skullcrimp@reddit
you believe in the TSA too? wow
IsambardBrunel@reddit
You voted for a man with 34 felony convictions and you're worried about "illegals"?
Hypocrisy at it's finest.
SunLillyFairy@reddit
This comment is a great post to demonstrate ignorance, and sadly what many US born citizens have been taught to believe. Many, many, many of the folks being deported have been here legally for years. How do you think ICE knows where they are? Why do you think they know their names and where they live? They were granted entry. Many were brought over as kids. Many have paid taxes for years, working, while not being able to get the same benefits as US born citizens. It's being reported that at this point over 1/2 being picked up by ICE have no criminal activity, not so much as a traffic ticket. And the other 1/2, many have minor infractions and non-violent misdemeanors. They are deporting parents and spouses that had the legal right to be here, separating families. Trump said he'd go after criminals... like the really bad ones... the traffickers, drug lords and killers. But instead Cartel members were given permission to come in and ICE is focusing on folks who are easy pickings to get numbers for folks like you...
DuchessOfCarnage@reddit
You sound like an illegal. You don't know to use "countries" as the plural of country? English must not be your first language, boy. Straight to Alligator Auschwitz, no, we don't need to see any of your papers, we know you're one of those.
iwannaddr2afi@reddit
Do everyone a favor and fix your heart. This type of ignorance and hatred are unwelcome in this community as far as I'm concerned and I'm not alone in feeling that way.
Electronic_Syrup7592@reddit
People who are granted asylum ARE here legally dipshit-and still getting deported. As are a lot of other people here legally. Even American citizens have been picked up. It’s because of people like you that our constitution has been trampled on and we’re ALL at risk. YOU are the people who should leave. Anyone who voted for this is far more dangerous than someone who entered the country illegally.
NoAdministration5555@reddit
what is the process for coming legally?
Remarkable_Ad_7423@reddit
Local government is warning of Federal law enforcement enforcing the laws, because it's different than what happened under the previous administration.
FloatRite_11@reddit
Arresting citizens is the law
ARODtheMrs@reddit
I was listening to a video on YT today that paralleled the movie, The Orville, to what is/ will be going on here.
2bitgeek@reddit
I watched that video a few times and didn't hear/see "door to door" ICE raids. He said ongoing ICE operations.
LoonieBoy11@reddit
Purge ahh timeline
Charred01@reddit
You can say ass.
LoonieBoy11@reddit
I know
Jesuismieux412@reddit
Again, I want to thank all the rubes who voted for this. I also want to thank the feckless and corrupt Democratic Party. You rubes will lose your healthcare and have your door kicked down. Hope you get everything coming to you.
Recent_Wonder7298@reddit
Count down to pop off. No going back after that
lostscause@reddit
wow she's breaking the law, hope she gets punished
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1907-title-8-usc-1324a-offenses
Captjimmyjames@reddit
Who's "she"?
lostscause@reddit
"they" ?
Captjimmyjames@reddit
Just trying to understand who you think is healing the law.
Oldebookworm@reddit
Laws don’t seem to matter much anymore, or hadn’t you noticed?
lostscause@reddit
*did it for the down votes!*
yup I have noticed a lot of things lately, least for one side ... what happens when the "other" side stops following them too?
composedmason@reddit
This stuff really scares me. It's NOT ok. Some are trying to normalize it but every American should exercise their first couple of rights against an invading force
ActuatorVast800@reddit
Escalation goes both ways.
SgtPrepper@reddit
ICE being treated like COVID makes a lot of sense to me.
Acceptable_Ear_7646@reddit
They’re literally just sending people home.
fixxer_s@reddit
South Sudan and El Salvador are not home for anyone grabbed yet.
Spiritual_Owl_4758@reddit
Huh... don't recall the local government warning about Obama when he deported 3+ million illegals. Must have gotten lost in the mail..
engineered_academic@reddit
The "What could go wrong if the government has our data?" group is about to find out.
DroppinDeuces1987@reddit
Some 30 round magazines might level the playing field but it's california. Guess they got what they voted for.
pfshfine@reddit
Hate to break it to ya, buddy, but the vast majority of the 2A crowd are cheering on ICE here, if not actually wearing the masks themselves.
sick2880@reddit
So we've officially reached the Anne Frank stage?
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
Im sorry to say there is a very fast reality check coming where normal,well meaning people will have to make a choice.Do I let them take my neighbors?Their kids?They aren’t looking at me yet,do I have a spare room?What am I risking to protect these people?This will only escalate.Stay safe friend .
Theistus@reddit
Entering homes? Better have a search warrant.
DO NOT OPEN THE DOOR FOR POLICE. DO NOT GO OUTSIDE UNLESS THEY HAVE AN ACTUAL SEARCH WARRANT
Not an arrest warrant. Not an administrative warrant. An actual honest to God search warrant that lists the exact address.
Kevin_of_the_abyss@reddit (OP)
I found a picture of the warrants I.C.E is using .It’s signed by a judge,jury,and executioner.
Theistus@reddit
They can get in the stack then
KitKitsAreBest@reddit
They have to meet their "brown-skin" quota. Plus, I have no doubt, they're wanting a violent response so that they can fully clamp down.
TheFieldAgent@reddit
Those were Cuban, Haitian, Nicaraguan, and Venezuelan immigrants with temporary status granted by a president who was in mental decline, and at the helm of a sinking ship (Biden).
The Supreme Court backed the decision to allow the revocation of their temp status, and they were all sent legal notices, and asked to go home.
Sorry, but you’re still obligated to follow the law, even if you disagree with it. Don’t immigrate to the US if you don’t like the laws, culture, or people.
Sicbodysicmind@reddit
This is fkn crazy.
No-Bathroom1967@reddit
Man, I’m not sure how I’m gonna react to masked unidentified armed men knocking on my door. I live in a stand your ground state and the castle doctrine applies. I’m also very 2A.
Is that how my life ends?
This is terrifying but I personally will not yield to fascism.
Neat-Tough@reddit
The important thing is that hitler had a very similar operation prior to going full nazi. Step one remove all oppostitiion is going to be happening very shortly.
ApprehensiveStand456@reddit
They called on ICE to arrest 7000 people a day. Once they run out of immigrants how are they going too get those numbers?
hera-fawcett@reddit
iirc, didnt one of the main guys say they wanted 100mil americans total?
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
I have seen it publicly stated they hope to execute 65 million which is roughly the entire Hispanic population.
mfprod@reddit
Do you have a link to this? Specifically them saying execute? I don't doubt it, I just prefer to see proof before believing this information and passing it along.
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Political_Revolution/s/hWKL4U3c8b
mfprod@reddit
While I agree that is incredibly barbaric and uncalled for, it is important to note that the person who tweeted that is NOT appointed to any government position and has no actual power other than being an extremist social media "influencer". Just trying to avoid fearmongering is all
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
Technically true but she wields tremendous influence over the president.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/06/laura-loomer-donald-trump-maga-influencer
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-fawns-very-special-laura-loomer-new-video.amp
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly8y27dwgpo.amp
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/08/us/politics/laura-loomer-trump.htm
mfprod@reddit
I hear you. Thanks for the clarification
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
Appreciate your rationality.
acidorpheus@reddit
Even worse. They want there to ONLY BE 100 million people in the country. Total.
DeadlyYellow@reddit
Will likely go Latin Americans, black Americans, LGBT Americans, Asian Americans, Mediterranean Americans, Irish, Polish, etc...
Factor in neighborhood wealth and ethnicity distribution and one can estimate about when ICE will be knocking down their door.
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
The answer is pretty obvious.
50_61S-----165_97E@reddit
If you're brown, chances are that ICE will mysterious lose your papers when you try to prove your citizenship.
nobodyisfreakinghome@reddit
I'm not kidding when i say this, but people need to start creating confusion. When ICE shows up, a thousand people dressed just like them need to show up and start barking orders and swarming around and just generally making it impossible for ICE to know who is who and what is what.
notanalienfromhere@reddit
Like those prank bros that takeover target or other stores and pretend to be managers. Maybe they could start doing that at raids to stir confusion. It could become a trend!
jmnugent@reddit
I thought of the opposite approach recently,. that everyone needs to saunter around in a throw rug and a sombrero.
Either way,. we do need bigger crowds. The only times I've seen videos of ICE backing down is when they are heavily outnumbered.
Wonderful-Duck-6428@reddit
This is uncalled for
Wonderful-Duck-6428@reddit
Yes 👏
Aldoxpy@reddit
Looking at all of this from Europe is crazy to think you have to hide from your government, good luck people.
TechTechnology1@reddit
I have a feeling this is going to get a while lot worse before it gets better. Could have something with the $170 billion our govt approved for trump's secret police. 🤢 Stay safe out there!
ddesideria89@reddit
The mayor is dead wrong here. They'll be snatching us one by one while everyone is covering in their homes. This is how we lose. People need to get organized and protect each other. Safety in numbers
Unfair_Bunch519@reddit
The mayor just publicly declared his allegiance. I’m sure there is alot of maneuvering and chatter going on behind the scenes right now. Remember that the American revolution was conceived in total secrecy
ddesideria89@reddit
I hope, but doubt. You can't get mass movement in total secrecy. Unlike during the revolution, local elites don't seem to be onboard with it.
We need to use 2A to organize into militias, and unless there is support from local government, these will be declared illegal.
2A was origin is not about personal guns, it is about legality of organized resistance.
Unfair_Bunch519@reddit
Pulling these people off the census will be what gets Newsom to pick up a rifle
88clandestiny88@reddit
Little fun fact from Ai:
California's economy is the largest sub-national economy in the world, with a nominal GDP of $4.1 trillion. If California were an independent nation, it would rank as the fourth largest economy globally, behind the United States, China, and Germany. In 2024, California's economy grew by 6%, surpassing the growth rates of the top three global economies: the United States (5.3%), China (2.6%), and Germany (2.9%).
virtual-telecom@reddit
Trump and his douche bags are gearing up for the elections, they intend to remain in control by declaring martial law and not having fair elections.
tnic73@reddit
are you illegal?
hungrydyke@reddit
did you drink paint?
37iteW00t@reddit
ICE are basically home invaders and kidnappers
88clandestiny88@reddit
Kinda like a bunch of proudboys have been deputized with zero training or education, given snazzy tacticool outfits to cos play soldier boy in and real guns and LOTS of armored plates to delay their unfortunate but inevitable transformation into bullet sponges.
Proof-Editor-4624@reddit
Yes, they're children who have been given the go ahead by government to play police man.
They wear masks because they know at some point people will start fighting back and they don't want to be targeted.
We all know we're just waiting for the bullets to start flying. We all know what will happen if you give people the option of staying alive or being dead. Random deportations light the fuse.
Look surprised when the police stations, courthouses, schools, etc. are firebombed by the relatives of the Hispanic children taken to their deaths. Shocking!
DiRT360@reddit
They (ice) are going to eventually discover that some citizens love their second amendment and will gladly exercise that right to protect their castle from being violated (4a)
What would John Brown do?
Wonderful-Duck-6428@reddit
They can break into anyone’s home now
AnomalyNexus@reddit
This is some real gestapo shit
US will need to adjust their slogans to "Land of the formerly free"
KublaKahhhn@reddit
And just think this is before the budget that gives them a budget beyond all military combined
Coolbreeze1989@reddit
While I 100% agree with the sentiment, the budget exceeds all other law enforcement and is also bigger than the marines’ budget. I make the point only because MAGAts LOVE to find any miniscule misstatement and let it “prove” to them that the “damned liberals lie all the time”.
And FUCK ICE.
KublaKahhhn@reddit
You’re right and I agree accuracy matters
Coolbreeze1989@reddit
Thanks for taking it as intended. :)
Omnom_Omnath@reddit
how about warning ICE that people are legally allowed to stand their ground, and telling the public they are free to shoot at these goons who refuse to identify themselves.
rmannyconda78@reddit
This isn’t good
Unlucky-Procedure-57@reddit
Odds are good that Ice already knows who they’re looking for, and where they are. They’ll just stay and outlast their targets and pick up any strays that crop up along the way.
SauceCrawch@reddit
It says nothing about door to door knocks, looney.
SquallaBeanz@reddit
Time to find 'New Plymouth'. Lots of federal land out there. Lots of states have religious freedom protection acts in place that can be used for this since the homestead act is defunct.
mediocre_remnants@reddit
I don't answer my door when there's an unexpected knock anyway. There's no reason to. There's a zero percent chance that a random person knocking on my door is going to be anything other than a waste of time.
When I lived in the city we'd have drunk people knocking on our door at 2-3am because they were looking for the AirBnB next door. It's kind of nuts waking up to someone pounding on your door, then checking the security camera and seeing like 10 people on the porch.
But yeah, if I hear knocking and see a bunch of cop-like people in riot gear, I'm definitely not opening the door. If they want me they're gonna have to come in and get me.
KayKeeGirl@reddit
Kinda missing the point and making this situation all about you.
An elected local politician is sending out an alert to citizens to stay inside because the Federal government is sending heavily armed troops into his town.
This is unprecedented from a political standpoint and has huge implications from a prepping angle.
But go ahead and tell us all about the drunks in your neighborhood.
LeoElliot@reddit
Oh stop your hand wringing
BlkSmth@reddit
Your mayor appears to have a stance that supports illegal immigration. If your family is not included on the list often referenced in these discussions, or if you are not providing support to undocumented individuals, it’s likely that officials will not engage with you. It may be best to continue with your daily activities as usual. This forum is intended for sharing information related to intelligence operations, and it seems that most members here do not have significant concerns about these issues.
petertompolicy@reddit
Just comply with tyranny!
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
And you absolutely do not speak for "most members here." Most of us are plenty concerned.
Chinaroos@reddit
"officials" 😂
jmnugent@reddit
"free countries" normally don't have masked thugs abducting people off the street.
ICE has a problematic history of "making mistakes" arresting or attempting to deport actual valid citizens. This is not "it's not happening to me".. it's just "it's not happening to me...yet."
Just this year alone, there have been numerous examples of ICE "mistakenly" abducting, detaining or attempting to deport actual citizens.
April 2025 - "A US-born man charged this week with being an “unauthorized alien” in Florida has been released after spending the night in jail on a 48-hour hold requested by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement amid the Trump administration’s broad deportation crackdown. Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez, 20, was arrested Wednesday by Florida Highway Patrol when the car he was riding in was pulled over for speeding, according to an arrest affidavit and his attorney, Mutaqee Akbar. The American citizen – born in Grady County, Georgia, where he lives in the city of Cairo – was crossing into Florida for his work in construction in Tallahassee, about 45 minutes from home."
April 7, 2025: Ramiro Martinez, a U.S. citizen and immigrant rights advocate, was mistakenly detained by ICE at the 35th District Court near Plymouth while supporting an undocumented immigrant. ICE acknowledged the incident in which Martinez was mistaken as the target of an enforcement operation.
https://news.azpm.org/p/news-articles/2025/4/18/224512-us-citizen-in-arizona-detained-by-immigration-officials-for-10-days/
or the case of Merwil Gutierrez in which: "The officers grabbed him and two other boys right at the entrance to our building. One said, 'No, he's not the one,' like they were looking for someone else. But the other said, 'Take him anyway,'" .. so they're literally just grabbing people without checking. https://www.newsweek.com/merwil-gutierrez-ice-wrong-teen-el-salvador-2059783
Wonderful_Degree_431@reddit
The town of Perris is 80% Latino. All non-white residents are at risk regardless of immigration status. These raids are not specifically targeting undocumented immigrants, many legal residents and US citizens are also being arrested.
Unique-Sock3366@reddit
The only people who won’t find this government overreach concerning are individuals who know nothing about democracy, due process, basic human rights, and fascism.
Most of us are incredibly alarmed by the vile and corrupt actions of our federal government.
hgtfrds@reddit
Nope. Squads of federal goons going door to door in communities is terrorism plane and simple. It is not an effective method for identifying and capturing rule breakers. It is the move of a disparate group of bullies who have been given quotas with the risk of termination if they fail. This is a quality over quantity approach that will leave our government with untold millions in lawsuit fines for violations of civil rights. But hey, that’s the next administrations problem.
CJ_7_iron@reddit
Kristallnacht dress rehearsals much? That’s the vibe I’m getting.
glarb1@reddit
You are like a living personification of the "first they came for" poem. Unreal. Bootlicking must be a kink for you.
bearfootmedic@reddit
My dude - first: just say that you are fine with tyranny as long as it harms people you don't like. It's not federal over reach to enforce immigration law. It is federal over reach to fund a roving kidnap squad that has arrested or detained citizens without warrants.
Second: inevitably enjoy your downvotes.
BlkSmth@reddit
😂
Galaxaura@reddit
It seems that you're unaware that some or most of the individuals who are kidnapping people are generally untrained civilians who've been given badges quickly. Some dont even have badges. No uniforms that are consistent. They show up at immigration court. That's where people are following the rules and waiting for judgment by the court.
Cautioning a population to be careful is wise. Especially if anyone can impersonate any of these "officials" for their own nefarious purposes.
The feds are overreaching. This WILL result in even larger consequences between the states and the fed if it continues.
BlkSmth@reddit
Sure, here’s a rewritten version with a cocky tone:
Hey, you might want to dial down that TV time and stop swallowing all that nonsense. I see right through it. Where’s your backup for those untrained claims and the badge-less mystery? Door-to-door work? Please, that’s a total joke compared to immigration court. This isn’t some federal overreach; it’s straight from the President himself. As for me, I’m ready to face whatever fallout comes our way between the states because this isn’t slowing down anytime soon. Maybe you’re just not on the winning side of this debate.
Galaxaura@reddit
I don't watch television news.
Go to r/iceraids
They're like the keystone cops some of them.
This is good coverage:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2025/07/08/masked-armed-and-forceful-finding-patterns-in-los-angeles-immigration-raids/
There are no winners in this.
Everyone loses. Our deficit is exploding. For this. The war against the big bad immigrants.
Straight from the president himself IS OVERREACH. He is ignoring basic civil rights that every person who is here is granted under the constitution... yes, even those that are immigrants seeking citizenship.
Girafferage@reddit
Where do you get that most members are not concerned? I find it concerning. I don't care what list they have. If they don't give people due process and just snatch them up without a warrant then it's a violation of the constitution, which is even more concerning.
Altruistic-Letter772@reddit
Now they're gonna arrest him for saying that
CrimsonFox89@reddit
This looks like a scene from a horror movie. Scary shit that this is now real.
Careless_Name7070@reddit
Starting material for Schindlers list two is what it is
AthiestAlien@reddit
Like a look into the past
Open-that-door@reddit
Uh. Armed & masked, unknown identity individuals in groups with unmarked vechicles fleets coming toward peoples at night. The chance peoples can be logically taking them as home invaders and firing at them is just there. It could happens arcoss all neighborhoods in the America.
Grubbyninja@reddit
Crazy.
Chipfullyinserted@reddit
If you haven’t seen the military tanks and other war vehicles rolling down the streets towards your areas of California, then you might wanna check that out. The momentum is in overdrive.