XM8 value? | TheaterFire

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Suidude@reddit

So how does one get in contact with a active Malaysian special forces operator that would like to part ways with his XM8 😭

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Charapos@reddit

That’s a SL8 with a conversion kit. Not worth a ton more than a standard SL8.

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alwaysblueeightytwo@reddit (OP)

It's not a conversion kit.

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It absolutely is, I worked for HK for five years and I’ve handled and fired multiple XM8s, including several prototypes. You don’t need to believe me but you’re an idiot if you think that’s a real XM8. It has a SL8 serial number plate and a stock bolt, neither of which XM8s have. Now pretend you were just trolling.

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gameragodzilla@reddit

On another note, who's dick do I have to suck in order to convince HK to actually release a civilian XM8? Because that gun is something I really, really want.

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Charapos@reddit

Actually I just remembered the Army owns the XM8 TDP so unless the US government feels like selling it, the chances are actually zero. But who knows with Trump and Hegseth, you might be able to talk them into selling it, then you just build a factory and crank them out.

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Desert_Lover89@reddit

Fairly certain the U.S. military doesn’t own the TDP or any rights for the XM8 as it was an H&K developed they shopped to the U.S. AF. I want to say the last U.S. interest to drop out was the USMC as well. But H&K kept shopping it while it was beating tested by the US and Malaysia announced they would adopt it in 2007 and still issue it in their Naval forces. It’s pretty cool to see all the various iterations of the XM8 they have on parade. They’re also known for turning up at trade/recruiting shows with one you can put hands on which would be super cool.

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englisi_baladid@reddit

Wait how does the Army own the TDP?

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Charapos@reddit

I don’t know the specifics of how it works but basically for some products, the US government wants full control. They don’t want anyone making it without their approval so they pay the manufacturer for the whole design. Now that the own the design, they can have the original manufacturer produce them or have someone else do it. Same thing happened with the M320. I can’t remember the details but the Army decided HK was charging too much so they had a 3rd party manufacture them. That’s why some 320s say HK and some have the other companies name. But now the Army isn’t happy with the quality so the next(current?) 320 contract reverted to HK.

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AssassinateThePig@reddit

HK should buy the rights to the 320 platform and fix it. That’s the only thing that could save that platform from a certain death. They won’t touch it with a 10ft pole, but I genuinely think it’s possible they could revive it. People fanboy over HK harder than Sig even.

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englisi_baladid@reddit

That doesn't sound right. Take the M16/M4. Colt owns the TDP. But the Army allows other manufacturers to bid on rifle procurement. And then use Colts TDP for fulfilling said contracts. But only for said contracts. The moment FN loses the contracts they have to destroy their copies of the TDP. And they can't use the TDP for anytime but goverment contracts. Its why FN can sell over runs. But they cant use the TDP for their Collectors series and the guns arent clone correct.

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singlemale4cats@reddit

What does TDP stand for, and what about the FN isn't clone correct, aside from the semi auto trigger?

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englisi_baladid@reddit

Barrel for one. They use a different cheaper grade of steel they dont use anywhere else.

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singlemale4cats@reddit

You're paying two grand for cheaper steel? 🤨

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englisi_baladid@reddit

Yep.

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singlemale4cats@reddit

Do you know how the FN compares to the Colt? I went for the ladder because I could get that plus the M5 RAS for quite a bit cheaper.

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gameragodzilla@reddit

Given the number of manufacturers for just M1911A1 pistols during WW2, what you say sounds very plausible. I imagine they want to keep the TDP so they can easily get any manufacturer spun up to crank out weapons (the largest producer of 1911s during WW2 was a typewriter company).

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DrunkenArmadillo@reddit

You realize that the 1911 was old enough by WWII that there were no longer any patents from preventing anyone from making them, right?

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skippythemoonrock@reddit

XM8s via the CMP is a world worth fighting for

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Waflstmpr@reddit

So throw a million dollar bribe at Trump, and get XM8's. Thats honestly a bargain, im not even mad.

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NofriendZReject_@reddit

My men here asking the real question

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Charapos@reddit

Something on the order of 20M€ would probably get their attention. They’re a business like any other. Make the juice worth the squeeze for them. Same reason they don’t make P7s anymore. They would retail for $5,000 or more and while a handful would sell, it wouldn’t be enough to retool for production.

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AM-64@reddit

I believe I remember S&W said in the past that they would remake/re-release something like their 3rd Gen Guns but it would require a minimum of 500 guns bought and paid for upfront. I assume HK would be similar but might want a larger minimum batch size and their stuff is going to be more pricey than S&W.

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singlemale4cats@reddit

500 units is doable for a large forum. HK does hate civilians though, so they'd probably say no no matter what and then mail you a bag of feces with a middle finger glued to it

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alwaysblueeightytwo@reddit (OP)

I'm not here to prove its real. I'm just looking for a value, not to prove you wrong, thanks.

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DIYEngineeringTx@reddit

Troll

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DIYEngineeringTx@reddit

Troll

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Fluffy-Map-5998@reddit

it for go for quite a lot considering they are impossible for a civilian to get, this is not exaggeration, you CANNOT, EVER, get an actual XM-8

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skippythemoonrock@reddit

> only ones not owned by the us army are in malaysia. There were some amount floating around Iraq with PMCs for unknown reasons so it's possible some were provided to contractors for field testing. Still astronomically low chance one ends up back in the US in civilian hands.

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natteulven@reddit

The value is maybe a little bit more than a standard SL8. That's your answer

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SNIP3RG@reddit

Ok, but this guy (who happens to be an expert on the firearm in question) not only gave you that value, but attempted to give you information to prevent you from getting screwed over. When everyone tells you that it’s fake, there’s no reason to respond like you did, just thank people for their help.

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

If its a real full auto xm8 actually made by hk 1 million. There are hundreds of m60s and they run 150k. That would be a 1 of 1 xm8

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TheHeirOfElendil@reddit

I've shot guns before (20+ times maybe. I know fuck all about guns but they're cool and the effect that they have on our world and the extreme division of opinion on them is so interesting. This is better though, someone getting shut down on reddit by an expert on certain topic and being to scared to respond over a computer screen, fascinating man.

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Pashur604@reddit

How does one get a job with HK?

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DrunkenArmadillo@reddit

Do you know which way to put the bullets in the magazine?

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Pashur604@reddit

Ah, PR photographer.

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singlemale4cats@reddit

Same as one might get any other job. When they have an opening for a job that matches your skillset, apply.

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Charapos@reddit

Depends on what you want to do but I’d say applying for a job you’re qualified to do is a good start.

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ChampagnePlumper@reddit

Absolutely demolished

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MasterKiloRen999@reddit

I’d just delete my account after that lmao

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556_FMJs@reddit

It 100% is. I had a Tommybuilt XM8, I can spot them a mile awhile.

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shanep35@reddit

Got more pics of it?

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asillasitgets@reddit

Absolutely a conversion kit made by TommyBuilt Tactical. As I posted above, here are the dead giveaways. You can clearly see the SL8 style metal serial number plate and the two piece magwell and trigger housing. Real XM8s don’t have a metal plate on the left side of the receiver and use a one piece trigger housing with an integrated magwell. The barrel profile is also incorrect for an XM8, and the rear takedown pin is the SL8’s threaded style, not found on authentic XM8s.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

Worth about twice a stock sl8. When tommybuilt still existed. Not anymore.

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Antonw194200@reddit

Assuming it's a real XM8 I would say you could probably get around 40-45,000 usd for it on the European market. Probably not even dependent on it being semi or auto.

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UnassumingAnt@reddit

You mean a converted SLR8? Or is that not a pic of the actual rifle in question?

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alwaysblueeightytwo@reddit (OP)

Its 100% a real XM8 prototype weapon system. Not a conversion.

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DIYEngineeringTx@reddit

Troll

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T800_123@reddit

If it's a real XM8, than it's not worth anywhere near what you think being a dealer sample machinegun that can't actually be transferred. I also don't think any of those actually exist. And that's clearly not an XM8, lmao.

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Cdwollan@reddit

Are you trying to buy this totally real machine gun?

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alwaysblueeightytwo@reddit (OP)

Felt pretty real in my hands honestly.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

An sl8 conversion is a mostly hk rifle, should feel real.

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Cdwollan@reddit

The SL8 conversion feels pretty real.

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HeughJanus@reddit

op looks to be in the middle east. no tommybuilt mcdonalds toy quality conversions over there

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natteulven@reddit

Please tell me you're not this stupid

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asillasitgets@reddit

Definitely not a real XM8, it’s an SL8 conversion. You can clearly see the SL8 style metal serial number plate and the two piece magwell and trigger housing. Real XM8s don’t have a metal plate on the left side of the receiver with a serial number and they use a one piece trigger housing with an integrated magwell. The barrel profile is also incorrect for an XM8, and the rear takedown pin is the SL8’s threaded sling attachment point style, not found on authentic XM8s. If the photo had better lighting I could probably point out other differences.

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

With better lighting I bet you could read the Tommybuilt stamped on the side of it lol

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Thrillavanilla@reddit

That’s not a trial xm8. The longer DMR variants had fluted/pencil style barrels, not whatever that is. Thats gotta be a tommybuilt conversion. Also the red dot on that ps90 lmao

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skippythemoonrock@reddit

The chances of someone who would put the /r/worldsworstreddot on that PS90 also owning a legitimate XM8 are zero.

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Thrillavanilla@reddit

Not true. Most people with enough money to afford a real xm8 aren’t autistic about guns enough. I know SUPER wealthy people with super expensive guns and awful optics

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Lord_Berkeley@reddit

Lol or they have an expensive gun, a high end optic, and its never been sighted in. Just had an acquaintance offer me some rounds on his AUG with an acog. After 3 missed shots, I reached up to check the optic, and rocked it back and forth on the rail. The QD mount was literally finger tight.

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ziekktx@reddit

Calling that a red dot is insulting to red dots.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

That is an sl8-6 converted to xm8 by tommybuilt. Not produced anymore, fairly rare, optic is rarer, still worth lots of money. No idea how much for the optic bc iv never seen one for sale but know a few are out there. We know it’s an sl8-6 beyond a shadow of a doubt, it has the 20” heavy target barrel that has only been threaded for the flash hider. That’s not saying this is a bad gun. The base gun is a very nice hk target rifle that has good accuracy. The tommybuilt conversion on the sl8 was the best one anyone could do too. I’d guess $5k. It would have cost at a minimum 3k to put together new, but probably more because g36 parts dried up and got expensive. So might have cost $4k for just the rifle. The optic might be worth more than the gun or only $1k I have no idea at all. Probably more than the gun. The only civ xm8 was the tommybuilt as far as I know.

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Charapos@reddit

My ISM cost me $1200ish five or so years ago. $5,000 is probably a fair price for the whole kit.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

Yeah, that was my best guess. It’s definitely worth more than the sock sl8, no one buys an sl8 to have an sl8. Too bad conversions arnt happening anymore.

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Frozen_Thorn@reddit

I bought an SL8 with no intention of converting it. It's the rifle from Resident Evil 4!

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

If I got the older grey one that would make sense.

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Charapos@reddit

HK has been trying to import 293s for decades and US and German law have conspired to thwart every attempt. It really sucks because people blame the company but HK is actually very interested in selling guns and they generally don’t care who they sell to.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

The only thing holding me back from liking my sl8-6 is the magwell needing such an extensive conversion.

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Charapos@reddit

I owned an SL8-4 for a little while, one of two imported. They were SL8s with the G36 mag well for police snipers. A collector found out I had it and made an offer I couldn’t refuse. I did a G36 conversion for someone around 2011 when I had my own shop. It was a fun challenge but kinda sucked to do.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

Very cool. At some point I’ll get a g36 bolt and start figuring out how to do the cutout. Been too busy buying other interesting things. Have to complete my big 3 battle rifle collection, have to get some handguns that popped up at my lgs, need to get a 1911. Possibly a bullpup too. Cetme L is on the list too. It’s taken a backseat for now.

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Charapos@reddit

I milled out the right side of the receiver where it’s depressed, then I epoxied a little steel support in place, covered that with epoxy and sanded it til the finish was pretty close to the rest, then rit dyed it black. From 5 feet you couldn’t tell but close up you could see the difference in finish.

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Calm_Relation7993@reddit

Ok, that’s good to know. Can’t find very much on how the conversions were done so that helps a lot. Time to test some different epoxy’s and find one that works. And I need to get a bolt.

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Charapos@reddit

DM me

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Cheezemerk@reddit

SL8 - $1200 - $1600. Tommy built kit - $3000. Believing a civilian has a military prototype weapon that was exclusively made in select fire and ignoring a community that is trying to help you - Priceless. For everything else there is crippling debt.

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skippythemoonrock@reddit

inb4 OP already bought it

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Anonymous-Eagle@reddit

Bruh that g36c so fucking hard dawg I’m jealous

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

There is no g36...

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Kremit-the_Forg@reddit

The G36 is basically the XM8, just different skin

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

I feel like theyre different enough personally but its debateable. But the sl8 is definitely different enough to not be a g36. Although with this thing I feel like we are getting into ship of Theseus territory

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Charapos@reddit

The XM8 is a G36 derivative

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

Cool there is also no xm8 in the picture lol

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THICCBOIJON@reddit

Where is a G36C?

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Sad-Win-5161@reddit

Love how the op got absolutely demolished trying to prove a point

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OleRockTheGoodAg@reddit

OP is out here fighting for his life 🤣 Also - no one here is shocked there's a world's worst red dot in this picture....

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Edrobbins155@reddit

Im more shocked at the total value of the firearms and but the drywall is not finished.

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Historical_Truth2578@reddit

Im beginning to wonder if they're airsofts from OP's responses n claims

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Edrobbins155@reddit

Gotta be

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NotJayKayPeeness@reddit

This thread should be pinned. Watching OP get schooled instead of ripped off is highly entertaining and educational.

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natteulven@reddit

It's also hilarious seeing OP trying to worm his way out of it. "Nuh uh! It's real!!" lmfao

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NotJayKayPeeness@reddit

My friend's uncle got the president to sign paperwork saying he could have it because it's so special.

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N0V-A42@reddit

That's the most entertaining part. He seems completely oblivious to the fact that people are trying to help him not get scammed. "I know what I don't got."

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sttbr@reddit

Assuming you haven't been mislead about this being a conversion, are you an SOT? because otherwise you cant even acquire one, if you are an SOT id bet 10-20k would be a good number.

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alwaysblueeightytwo@reddit (OP)

I am not an SOT. The individual I would acquire it from ordered it and paid for the setup legally at the time, as well as the LMG stuff at the time he acquired with it, no full auto, just the barrel and stuff to make it the XM8 "LMG" with multiple 30/100 round mags. My thought was to acquire it from him and complete the XM8 collection from the prototype line.

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Knot_a_porn_acct@reddit

That’s not how any of that works

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ozzyozzyozz@reddit

I unfriend you

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Hakashi57@reddit

As P.T. Barnum says, “There’s a Sucker Born Every Minute”, and OP is a sucker if he thinks this XM8 is legit

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sttbr@reddit

There are no semi auto xm8s you are being lied to

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Charapos@reddit

More, the only ones that left HK went to the US Army and Malaysia. A legit XM8 that won’t get you arrested for stealing gov property would probably clear 100K if it existed.

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sttbr@reddit

Fair

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Charapos@reddit

Looks like it has a real Insight ISM, can’t tell if it’s the Vis or IR model but they’re worth as much as a XM8. I have a prototype ISM IR that’s only got Vis hardware. Cool piece but sad it doesn’t have IR.

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japako@reddit

Let me just check my regular gun shop. Pretty sure they’ve had some on discount the other day. After that I got the animal shelter and adopt a fucking unicorn.

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squaad@reddit

This is very reminiscent of the time a pill head thought he bought 2 GPNVGS lmao

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CFishing@reddit

Link?

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squaad@reddit

He posted pics of 2 or 3 sets of amazon GPNVGs on the NightVision asking more about them. He deleted his account, [here's the only DM he replied to. Ghosted me after that.](https://gyazo.com/2daffd59f6b3b859274f3e62462fdf0a)

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riibo_@reddit

I have horrible eyesight, I thought that was a Bullpup PS90 😭😭

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

I think technically it is a Bullpup

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riibo_@reddit

Oh yeah technically, I forget it counts as one, but it being sat in front of more magazines, I thought it was a much weirder design with stanag style mags in the buttstock

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

Oh shit now I see it lol

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Stellakinetic@reddit

You should totally pay $100,000 for it. Do it. It’s definitely real, don’t listen to all of these gun enthusiasts they’re just jealous

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FredyOriley@reddit

I'd honestly save the p90 poor thing has one of those ugly cheap ass reflex sights. It's my firm belief that the only sight you can attach to a p90 is the og ring sight Mc-10-80. It works it's classic and has that sci Fi flair.

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Irish671@reddit

Oh, OP... You sweet summer child. If you don't want to listen to the good people here who have thoroughly warned you, go ahead. It's your money. Btw, if that's an XM8, I have a bridge I can sell you.

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anonpasta666@reddit

Bro gimme that XM8 so sexxxyyy

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mtnkook@reddit

Bout tree fiddy

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Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit

100% tommybuilt sl8 conversion so like 3k or something. Optic is worth a ton

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