Children queuing for supplements killed in Israeli strike in Gaza, hospital says
Posted by CruisinTortoise@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 73 comments
DavidSwifty@reddit
the children is hamas
the food is hamas
the queue is hamas
everyone is hamas
if israel cannot indiscriminately kill children then we are hamas too and anti-semetic.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
We joke but in the previous Israel thread I had Israeli flairs tell me this was all hamas’ fault without any irony or trolling.
They straight up believe that shit.
kaptainkooleio@reddit
Hamas is so strong they telepathically entered into the minds of the IDF soldiers handing out aid and forced them to gun down starving children. Why is Hamas so cruel?
teslawhaleshark@reddit
You are kidding, but this is actually legally acceptable as an explanation, imagine your worst American cop with a brain running on "he might have a gun" every traffic stop and give him a bigger bogeyman, then you have justification for every soldier
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
No, it's not legally acceptable as an explanation. Otherwise you can commit genocide because you suspect that there is one remaining Hamas member alive somewhere.
curious_scourge@reddit
There's no strict guidelines for proportionality assessment.
So investigators ask for strike assessments and legal reviews, and Israel provides them, and it shows that there was a militant.
The ICC has given arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant, so the UN does think they're guilty of war crimes, where war crimes are essentially related to excessive civilian harm related to military advantage.
But the ICJ likely won't rule that it's a genocide, because of the legal paper trail suggesting it's legitimately a war against Hamas, with civilian deaths exactly what is expected from urban warfare, rather than a specific intent to destroy Palestinians, of which there are still 2.3 million in Gaza, more than when the war started.
IdiAmini@reddit
Wow, we have time traveler in our midst, eventhough almost every genocide scholar agrees that Israel is comiiting a genocide.
curious_scourge@reddit
More like everyone else here thinks they are an ICJ judge from the future, and need to be reminded that they're not.
ICJ has a higher standard for proving intent than your average anime_titties redditor does.
IdiAmini@reddit
Indeed they do, that's why it's wise to listen to experts, like genocide scholars, which the ICJ will do as well.
And need I remind you that you are one of those "anime_titties redditor"?
curious_scourge@reddit
Touche
ExtremeAcceptable289@reddit
Actually the "civilian deaths exactly what is expected" is exactly why the IDF released their genocidal numbers.
Anyone who spits this out is either ignorant as hell or a genocide apologist - the numbers according to IDF happen to be the amount of males above 15 killed.
curious_scourge@reddit
To my knowledge,
Hamas claims 57k civilians killed. IDF claims 21k militants killed. And about 1k dead IDF soldiers in Gaza.
The number of Hamas militants was estimated at 30-40k.
So I don't doubt the numbers are fudged. But they're about what is expected for a legitimate war against terrorists embedded in civilian population.
1000 IDF are dead because they encountered militants. It's not higher, because Israel drops bombs instead of risking soldiers when they can. But I'm saying they do it all with proportionality assessments. So at least in my view, it's unlikely they will get a genocide conviction, because the numbers are what is expected.
You can have your claim that the IDF numbers are wrong. You can call me a genocide apologist. I can say Hamas numbers are wrong. I can call you a terrorist sympathiser. But none of that matters. The ICJ decides, based on evidence presented.
IdiAmini@reddit
Yes, every male casualty in Gaza = Hamas according to the IDF
ExtremeAcceptable289@reddit
Uh this is according to their fudged numbers where everyone >15 and male is Hamas
Except there are independent studies and surveys that prove Hamas' numbers true, whereas none exist in the case of Israel
Like this proportionality?
But go on. Continue defending genocidal terrorists.
Financial-Chicken843@reddit
“Hospital says”
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
The report bas verified photos and videos of burned childrens bodies.
You can find them yourself on twitter.
The level of dehumanization is insane.
Invinciblez_Gunner@reddit
Sadly a daily occurence
kaptainkooleio@reddit
Literally. Every day there is a headline about starving Palestinians getting gunned down by Israel for the horrific crime of seeking aid. It’s just a slaughter house at this point. I pray that karma is swift and just in the end, god knows they deserve whatever is coming to them in the future.
anticomet@reddit
I hope we can see a free Palestine in my lifetime, that would renew some of my hope for humanity
NotStompy@reddit
In that case you should hope that Bibi angers Trump enough that he pulls a Ukraine with Israel, it's just about the only thing that can change things, the trajectory up until now hasn't exactly been inspiring.
Rovcore001@reddit
That probably wouldn’t be enough. They have plenty of enablers in Europe and they manufacture a lot of their own military hardware. And no one is going to have the spine to implement wide-reaching collective sanctions (which is what would actually pressure them into stopping, eventually)
modianoyyo@reddit
israel is an evil society that needs to be stopped. unfortunately, as a european settler-colonial project, it has sold to the west the idea that they're at the forefront of fighting the "asian hordes".
i have no doubt that israelis will get what the justly deserve, sooner or later. i just wish to be alive to see it.
NotStompy@reddit
As a Swede I have to intervene, this is not okay!!! The queue is not Hamas. The queue is sacred for us, it's those skipping ahead in queues who are Hamas.
CakeTester@reddit
Well kind of except IDF have been doing the 'one Hamas thing justifies wiping out the rest of several hundred metres'. So it might have been one Hamas taco in the middle of that. May have been hummus, but who cares because everybody is dead now anyway.
Mccobsta@reddit
They've been getting away with this for far to long and yet govements that could do anything won't
EmployAltruistic647@reddit
You are Hamas and antisemitic for saying that /s
travistravis@reddit
Even if there was a Hamas operative (unlikely), it seems unusual that they would somehow need to use a missile (or bomb?) to hit a queue waiting for supplements. Like your fucking army is there, are they unable to take one guy without killing a bunch of children??
onepareil@reddit
Well, better to shred a dozen children than risk letting one trained soldier get hurt, you know?
teslawhaleshark@reddit
this sows the seed to ten more terrorists
Black6Blue@reddit
Israel is definitely laboring under the delusion they can force millions of people out and claim the land but no other country wants them so they're just inspiring further extremism in a population they're going to have to continue to live next to.
Intense_Judgement@reddit
That's only a problem if any Gazans survive, and I don't think the Israeli government plans to have that happen
Black6Blue@reddit
The gazans number a little over 2 million. So unless they start resorting to German levels of industrial extermination that's not going to happen. People joke they already are committing another Holocaust but they haven't gone that far yet.
IdiAmini@reddit
They do not anymore. I would not be surprised if, after this is over and there are still Palestinians in Gaza (they have not been ethnically cleansed), the number will be closer to 1.5 million
teslawhaleshark@reddit
It is a good tool for building nationalism and maintining rule of old soldiers
Kaymish_@reddit
The IDF is too cowardly and incompetent to be expected to get one starving dude out of a crowd of starving children. They roll into Gaza inside their armoured vehicles to stay protected from sniper fire, but then a dude runs up and throws a satchel charge down the hatch. They've bombed everything so there's loads of rubble to hide in and it's hard to see out the armoured vehicles so a Palestinian resistance fighter can just run up climb on top. If that's what just one fighter can do think about how many IDF fighters a Palestinian could kill when he has dozens of children armed with bread to back him up.
onepareil@reddit
Even if we take the IDF at their word that they were targeting a high-level terrorist, why did they have to fire the drone at that exact moment, while he was apparently right next to a clinic filled with pregnant women and children? What, are we supposed to believe the drone operator didn’t know exactly where they were shooting, and exactly what might happen if they did?
I feel like I’m losing my mind when over and over again they keep making this same excuse, which still wouldn’t justify their actions even if it were true, and the entire world - aside from the aid workers and journalists risking their lives - is doing nothing.
anonymosoctopus@reddit
It might very well just be a war crime but, assuming that it isn’t, if you don’t hit the target when you know where they are then you can’t guarantee that you’ll get another opportunity to do so. Shit just sucks.
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
They blew up a cafe with tens of innocents and children then claimed hamas was there, they bomb this hospital, children die, but oh looky here it’s another Hamas.
Like nobody even verifies this crap, they just move onto the next one. Speaking of, let’s see how long it takes for them to commit another atrocity.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
The cafe strike was verified, not that it makes the chicken deaths any better
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Verified by whom? The IDF?
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Hamas announced their naval commander was killed in the strike. Why this is so offensive to this comment section of beyond me
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Source?
Unable_Duck9588@reddit
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c39z72xzwz4o
Killed 40 and injured 72 people, and we don’t even have ‘verification’. Just rumours.
This is just ghoulish nazi rhetoric.
WistopherWalken@reddit
Genocidal ass Nazi
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Yes correcting someone's comment makes me a Nazi
Stupid
inkjod@reddit
Maybe not referring to childrens' deaths as chicken deaths would help you not give such impressions.
^(please don't correct it!)
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
It was the word civilian auto corrected by a keyboard you can't be that ridiculously obtuse
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Guess what? No one believes you or your genocidal fellow travellers any more.
Adiv_Kedar2@reddit
Because paranoia is a way of life for you sick freaks
WistopherWalken@reddit
All you do is defend the genocidal actions of Israel and claim and criticism is antisemitism. You conflate Israel with all Jewish people. Fuck off Nazi.
rattleandhum@reddit
I expect you to be vile when supporting israel, but not this vile.
ZillesBotoxButtocks@reddit
The IDF learned what it could from the US. You guys droned weddings, the IDF bombs children in clinics. There's a reason your countries are such good friends.
unpersoned@reddit
These guys fired a missile in some guy's bedroom from a thousand miles away in Tehran, while avoiding the other apartments in the building.
They know exactly what they were doing.
thethirstypretzel@reddit
Because they consider that a double victory, of course. There are so only so many times “mistakes” can happen before it’s clearly the intention.
teslawhaleshark@reddit
Nothing can be allowed to shield terrorists, you heard people say all the time
Puffycatkibble@reddit
Assuming the best case scenario that the terrorist really is there? They see the children as two birds one stone kind of thing.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
I’ll add you in as another Israeli vote for 1,000 to 1.
Or there wasn’t and Israel shrugs and goes on murdering.
That argument is absurd and nearly unintelligible legally speaking. Multiple Israeli politicians and other officials, including numerous senior officers, have been caught on camera calling for genocide.
reddit_is_geh@reddit
FYI, they killed a bunch of civilians in line for aid, to get ONE suspected Hamas terrorist.
This is technically illegal as the target has to be "worth it and require immediate action". No reasonable person would say killing a bunch of kids looking for aid, is worth it for a single former combatant. The USA never did this. When we'd kill civilians it was always for high value targets where we had no other window of opportunity. It would go through legal reviews and multiple people would have to sign off on it. Most of the time, however, if it was just an Iraqi terrorist around a bunch of civilians, we'd be forced to just let them go and hope for a better time, because killing a bunch of people for a random ass single terrorist would be a war crime.
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SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Well done BBC, maintaining the editorial standard of trying to obfuscate the atrocities that Israel is committing:
I want to reiterate, well done BBC! Big blue and white star for you!
Faded_Rainstorm@reddit
Were the fucking kids queuing for supplements Hamas too? Jesus fucking Christ. A new “people waiting for aid got blown apart” headline every single day. I’m aware that there are a sizable amount of people who support this unequivocal genocide in the name of Zionism, but, no matter how hard I try, I cannot get my head around how this is justifiable to them.
onepareil@reddit
They always try and justify it with the whole “Well why was the Hamas guy there, huh?! HuMaN sHiElDs!!” Which is so stupid on its very face, because unless the IDF is somehow alleging the guy was an active threat at that specific moment (probably not, if it was one fucking guy at a goddamn medical clinic!) then there is no reason why he had to be killed with a missile right there and then! The logic is insane. Insane.
Faded_Rainstorm@reddit
And of course, when reading the article, came the “we regret any civilian deaths” BS line that they always throw in like a “whoops sorry” brings those civilians back to life??? How much goddamn “regret” do you really have if you keep doing the same thing over and over? You can’t be expecting a different result, you can’t. There is no way a military (with that much funding from Daddy USA + the Mossad tech they do have) can’t just… wait for a singular individual to get far away enough from a clinic to “neutralize” them. They weren’t there to blow up the place and everyone else in line if they also needed to get shots and vitamins. It’s like basic logic doesn’t work for these people and it’s nuts. Just “blow stuff (and innocent people) up first, apologize later.”
Redditbecamefacebook@reddit
Never thought about it like this. If they wanted to, they could easily just blanket Gaza with loitering drones and target militants individually.
It would probably even be cheaper than their current operations.
Not enough collateral damage, though.
Treadwheel@reddit
It sure is odd how Ukraine and Russia can figure out how to field cheap kamikazee drones that take out singular soldiers and vehicles, but Israel has no choice but to drop bombs and missiles on medical facilities every day.
Treadwheel@reddit
They have a program used to track people that a AI model has flagged as possibly tied to Hamas back to their homes to be killed there. It's called "Where's Daddy?"
Cause they're waiting for daddy to come home to his family before they launch the missile.
Hahaha, dead kids, dead wife. Classic Israeli humor.
Of course, the same people who have no trouble understanding that you can't rely on AI models for something as trivial as home repair advice or help writing a paper will also react with fury when you suggest that using one to pick entire families to wipe out is a war crime.
Just-arandom-weeb@reddit
You see, Zionism is built on the idea that Jews are eternally victims to the point of needing to have (steal) their own country everyone else kills them.
They think that it’s either their kids or someone else’s which rids them of any guilt
Faded_Rainstorm@reddit
And that’s where I internally just cry. Because what do you (they) mean “Better someone else’s kids than ours.” What the fuck do you mean anyone’s kids should be “put up” for sacrifice period? The inhumanity gives me straight nausea man I’m tired of the human rights abuses just everywhere. Left and right. People getting packed up off the street in the US for being Hispanic. People getting blown off the street in Palestine trying to get vitamins and shots and stuff. Like politics aside, where is the humanity.
AugustWolf-22@reddit
Zionism is, at its roots an ethno-supremacist movement, just like white supremacy or Hutu power etc. the Ideology views Jews as a racially superior group of ''chosen people.'' such ideologies always lead to barbarism, war and often - genocide. as we are currently witnessing.
teslawhaleshark@reddit
They really don't want to see enemies' children grow up and become competitive
Just-arandom-weeb@reddit
That’s what dehumanization does to a people. Especially Muslims and POC. Let’s be real, America hasn’t done much to portray them as humans in the eyes of the people. Portraying them as terrorists, criminals, psychopaths, etc.
This and the rise of “anti woke pro American” sentiment pretty much nips any humanity for the “other” in the bud.
This applies to both America and Israel. The Israeli government dehumanized Palestinians to the point of quite literally caring about animal rights more than the rights of their biggest religious minority (I saw a Gaza dog rescue video done by an IDF soldier. This isn’t even funny.)
America dehumanizes immigrants and Latinos in the same way. Portraying them as poor, dangerous, “Alien”. As a non American, I was shocked when I first learned about the term “Illegal Alien” because of the sheer absurdity of that term. But now I know that it’s very much deliberate because they don’t want you to see them as people. Just an evil entity that should be removed.
Legitimate_Error_550@reddit
So what happens? The kids that survive habor strong hate for IDF and Israel, justified hate. So they find others who hate Israel and soon they join anti-israel groups and attack israel which draws more fighting, and the shit goes on and on and on. Do you know the definition of insanity? It's like the Hatfields and McCoys but far larger and with more fire power.
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