Those indexes are bullshit anyway, scandinavians are some of the most happiest countries in the world , yet they have the most suicides , so yeah make it make sense, sure u can have a general understanding, but wouldnt count on those to give accurate information.
You don't know how a democracy is supposed to work, do you? Maybe, when you grow up, you'll learn how this election was illegal. There is a lot more in an election than "people voting". You need to ensure that the elections, as well as the campaign period, are run according to the regulations.
no, actually that's not how it works. History will not remember fondly what Romania did. Even if this action was supported by Romanias providers in the EU.
democracy is a democracy, and you can't undermine someone's vote because you think they've been propagandized by misinformation
r/confidentlyincorrect
In reality, that's exactly how it works. Have you read an election law in your life? Have you seen a constitution? Do you know what a constitution is? Or what democracy is? No, you clearly don't.
The only way for democracy to work is if everyone follows the rules. Even one person/faction working against it can ruin it. This is why democracies (well, real democracies, not America) have strong laws to prevent election crime.
> you can't undermine someone's vote
In any case, no vote got undermined. The illegal candidate was removed and the election was redone in a fair manner, so that everyone could vote for a legal candidate.
they never proved him guilty. He was denied his rights. This is why Romania is democracy index has declined almost 20 points in one year.
we are more democratic than your country will ever be. It's just that balkan countries are kind of important because they're so close to the east and not in the west really. evidently some weird elections will be had and weird candidates will win.
we will look away if a country like Greece or Romania keeps running elections until they get a candidate they want and won't rock the boat
The fact that you don't watch the events properly doesn't mean that they don't happen.
> we are more democratic than your country will ever be.
Actually, my country is several spots above yours in terms of democracy index. Try informing yourself better next time.
> we will look away if a country like Greece or Romania keeps running elections until they get a candidate they want and won't rock the boat
You should provide proof of your moronic claims really.
mostly because we go around making sure that these countries on the periphery are under control. We've never had fascist coups here or a monarchy.
no, Romania is not Democratic. Even orbans hungary is moreso
> mostly because we go around making sure that these countries on the periphery are under control.
You are not. Your last involvement in Greek politics was to cause a dictatorship.
> We've never had fascist coups here or a monarchy.
It doesn't take a coup to become a dictatorship, as Hitler and his orange copycat have proven.
> no, Romania is not Democratic. Even orbans hungary is moreso
Look, I can help your cluelessness, but I can't fix your stupidity.
> we've never had a dictatorship in our 250 years ;)
You were too busy causing them for others until you finally got one. Eat shit now :P
> you're just throwing around platitudes. Romania is not a real country
Romania has about 10 times more history than your dictatorial hellhole.
Ability to speak against the government first and foremost. Corruption in Serbia is on a whole another level, if you try to expose a highway or restoration project done without adhering to standards you get questioned and ignored in state run media.
Greece or Romania because other countries can intervene in their elections. If the people's wishes conflict with the EU's wishes, the people's wishes are deemed invalid.
Argumentele 'ie' clare:
- omul a sustinut rusia pe fata
- omul a incalcat legi (discurs legionar, nedeclararea banilor din campanie etc.)
- omul e cercetat penal si sub control judiciar
Ca sa nu mai spun ca era dilimache, c'mon, nanocipuri in pepsi, apa e informatie etc.
A Croat says "typical Romanian" while we have literally 0 touching points in history. I dont know what Croatians even are. Are you something like a catholicized Serb from Habsburg times?
Greece is the only serious country in the region but the crisis and our whining gives an opposite impression
https://preview.redd.it/8i65imwi02cf1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de041b8225ebc1f71960c84ef81677e50af821cc
An scandal is different than lack of democracy.
You're free to chant "thieves" "Mitsotaki, gamiese{" and if enough vote it you change gov at will.
In other countries \*cough\* Turkey \*cough\* they put the opposition in jail so not to have any other option.
See the difference?
I know how badly you want to be one of us but turkey is a middle eastern country. IRL, no one sees turkey as a balkan country, and it will never be one. Reddit subs aren't real.
My comment went from +5 to -4. btw haha Spamming doesn’t change this fact.
Keep your hallucinations to yourself. Balkans is the new way of saying Ottoman lands in Europe, you know it. If you are a Balkan country it is because of Ottomans. You are welcome.
iraq and syria were part of the ottoman lands too. but we never see you going to the iraq/syria/middleeast subreddits and saying similar things to them? because we all know what you really want is to be european.
if you are from turkey and are not albanian, bosniak, or pomak, you are not balkaner and are genetically, culturally closer to middleeast
there's no hatred in what I said.you're the one who sees being middle eastern as something bad. you're the one who takes it as an insult. you're the one who hates yourself
also,I'm albanian.you're the one who's in the wrong place.
why are you writing in english? are you english? f\*\* off
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians\_in\_Turkey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanians_in_Turkey)
How do you define and measure the democracy, so that you get observer independently and repeatedly the same result? Any random index without explicitly defined method is useless and rather propaganda. Also if the "amount" is based on several measurables, the same should apply each one of them, i.e. the results should not depend on the entity measuring it and it should give the same result when repeated by someone else.
I assume it would be Serbia, cause when the protests in Turkey first started people were like "Serbians did this, we should do it like them too. (General boycott etc.)"
It depends what you mean by democracy. For example Croatia would be classified as non-democratic if you are Serb - you can not express your opinion in favour of your country because Serbia is something very evil in Croatia. They are even removing graves of serbian fallen soldiers who fought in 90s war at this point.
I would say Serbia. I’m not trying to suggest that the other countries in the Balkans are flawless democracies – take Albania, for example – but Serbia clearly stands out in a negative way.
We've seen mass protests across the country, many of which are still ongoing. Yet the government has shown no willingness to respond, to seek compromise, or for the president to even consider stepping down. That kind of reaction – or rather, lack thereof – is not what you expect in a functioning democracy. In most democratic states, protests of that magnitude would lead to political consequences.
Of course, every democracy experiences protests, but what makes Serbia different is the scale of the demonstrations, the deep public dissatisfaction, and the government’s complete refusal to take responsibility.
And when it comes to corruption, we’re not just talking about stolen money or shady contracts. In Serbia, corruption has become deadly. What happened in Novi Sad, where civilians lost their lives, is a tragic example of how systemic corruption, negligence, and the protection of criminal structures can directly cost people their lives. This isn’t just undemocratic – it’s dangerous.
But thats just my view from the outside.
It’s actually incredible how long you’ve been fighting, Albanian protests lose steam as soon as protest fatigue hits and disperse soon after that, but man, you have kept hating Vucic for so long, the protests are still going.
In my opinion good and bad
On one hand the people are realizing more and more what type of government this is (fascist, no I am not willing to argue with anyone about that, facts are facts) and want change
On the other hand life in Serbia is realistically not too bad and few are willing to fight for change
Now we have a problem with our people insisting on elections but the EU's and Russia's lapdog doesn't want that because he knows he'll lose or start a revolution if he "wins" so we have to keep this energy for another 2 years or until something like the canopy "incident" happens again and a revolution starts regardless of elections
Appreciate the response! One of the things i've heard is that there is really no opposition to speak of. Perhaps there could be some value in the development & proliferation of a new party, like what happened here in montenegro?
As far as I know the students want to form their own party that the people will vote for
Our opposition are just pawns for the ruling party even if it is an unpopular opinion and I get hate for saying this, or they are just extremely incompetent which is worse
I was also convinced that they are mutually exclusive but as the other commenter said, apparently when you have something to give to both sides they don't mind
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