Insider Perspective on Microsoft Layoffs
Posted by Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit | sysadmin | View on Reddit | 166 comments
https://www.trevornestor.com/post/the-problem-with-microsoft
I think that we all can agree it is time to unionize.
andrew_joy@reddit
Likely a few valid complaints in there but there is a lot of bitching over nothing.
gjerdsen@reddit
Well that explains why the support engineers I've been talking to the last couple of months all sound like a chatbot. They probably are...
TheDroolingFool@reddit
Support has been nothing short of abysmal ever since Microsoft decided to offshore operations a few years back and allowed the likes of Mindtree to take charge. I’ve been treated to what are clearly responses cobbled together from ChatGPT. Gems such as: “If that does not fix your issue, you should contact the support team.” That's precisely what I did and what you are here for?
What’s exasperating is that there’s absolutely no reason for the support experience to be this inept. This isn’t even a question of cost, it’s sheer laziness. Microsoft ought to take a far more rigorous stance with vendors like Mindtree and demand something resembling basic competence. At the very least, respect the customer’s stated contact preference. If I raise a ticket and explicitly request email communication, why on earth is the very first response a phone call request or worse, an unannounced phone call out of the blue?
Read. The. Ticket. Do you genuinely believe I spent 20 minutes painstakingly documenting reproduction steps, including screenshots, stack traces, and logs, for the sheer joy of it? So that someone can then ignore it entirely and ask me, via a surprise phone call, no less, to explain the issue all over again?
Let’s also dispense with this default posture of blaming the customer. Microsoft product teams fuck shit up all the time. Change management is clearly a formality, and quality control an aspiration. Yet when I raise an issue, I'm subjected to six weeks of stonewalling while some agent, following a painfully rigid script, tries to pin the fault on me instead of escalating appropriately.
To be clear, the individual agents aren't at fault, they are operating within the laughably broken system they’ve been given. This is squarely on Microsoft and its chosen outsourcers. Whoever at Microsoft is responsible for vendor oversight of support operations is either asleep at the wheel or irredeemably incompetent.
Specialist-Cream8259@reddit
I work in Microsoft Support for S500 customers and this is unfortunately true for all the non-FTE support that the company offers. I swear to god there are no requirements to be hired by all those 3rd party companies. As long as you can breath and barely understand / know how to speak English, you get the job.
We sometimes get highly escalated tickets sent over to us and it's shocking to see how bad they are handled. You get 50 different owners (because people seem to get fired or leave constantly) with no notes and nobody having any idea what they're doing. I've seen cases where customers kept asking for updates and being completely ignored for months on end.
The Premium support teams are much, much better and we have very strict guidelines that we need to follow (cases are constantly reviewed and the KPIs truly matter). The majority of people are highly skilled (there's some bad apples over here as well) and most customers are happy with what they're getting.
It's sad that customers have to pay extra to get a good support experience, but hey.. the option exists
TheDroolingFool@reddit
The real kicker is that every single one of our support tickets exists because Microsoft broke something. Not user error. Not bad configuration. Just Microsoft shipping something that suddenly fails or silently stops working with no warning or documentation. All we’re doing is trying to get their attention “hey, you broke this, maybe fix it?” and somehow that’s an uphill battle, but its certainly not something I am going to pay for the privilege of doing.
To elaborate from my previous post on how unbelievably shit this experience is it tends to go like this...
A user comes to us and says "X has stopped working." My team then spends time investigating, confirming everything is configured correctly, checking documentation, ensuring we haven’t missed something. We exhaust every possibility before raising a ticket. That ticket usually includes exact reproduction steps, logs, screenshots, sometimes even videos. The kind of detail that should let someone go straight to triage.
Every single time, we ask for email. Every single time, it's ignored. We ask for email because it's faster, clearer, and doesn't waste everyone's time. It gives us a written record. We can pass it around, reply when we’re not buried in other work, and actually think before responding. You know, efficiency.
Every time we are immediately hit with “When’s a good time for a call?” Or worse, some engineer just rings out of nowhere. No warning. No context. No explanation for why a call is even necessary. No agenda. Not even the slightest acknowledgment that they’ve ignored the simple instruction for contact preference.
Miss the call? They’ll gleefully fire off an email pointing out you “weren’t available” but don’t worry, they’re more than happy to try again at your convenience. You know what would’ve been convenient? Not calling me in the first place. Decline the call? Suddenly it’s like you've insulted their entire lineage and the ticket goes cold, you’re effectively put in timeout.
Once you get past the performative phone call you didn’t want, you enter the next phase. An agent who’s clearly out of their depth, fumbling through unrelated suggestions and generic links while valuable time slips away. This will usually chew up another week or two, during which you’ll be lucky to get anything more useful than “have you tried turning it off and on again”
If you finally convince them to escalate to the product group, things might begin to move. But by then, the user is still stuck. The business function is down. And our team has wasted potentially weeks chasing responses from someone who has no authority to progress anything.
Then comes the truly maddening part. The product group responds, but won’t speak to us directly. Instead, everything is filtered through the same engineer who doesn’t understand the issue and is asking for yet another pointless call. Push back, and they’ll grudgingly share the reply, usually stripped of any context or anything remotely useful but they’ll always close with “I hope this was helpful. May I archive the ticket now?”
Helpful? No. But sure, go ahead and archive the disaster. That’s what this whole thing is about now appearances over competence.
Bagel-luigi@reddit
When I raise a ticket with Microsoft and get an email from Mindtree I die a little inside.
When Mindtree close the ticket and tell me to contact Microsoft I die alot inside.
TCPMSP@reddit
In fiscal year 2024, Microsoft made just over $7 Billion dollars per month in PROFIT. That's only $241 million per day or $167k per minute or $2800 per second.
This year alone they have been forced to lay off 15,000 employees.
You can't actually expect them to PAY people to support their customer, can you?
illintent66@reddit
They could pay those 15k people 466k a year and still break even. Wild.
token40k@reddit
We started recording ticket SLA breeches with full details and our legal have been getting millions for us in credits at some point ms will just assign team of us based engineers to us since we are ruthless with overseas noobs that don’t know shit. “My shift is ending” errrrr escalation and negative feedback. I’m not going to be understanding when we pay % of our spend for support alone
jpotrz@reddit
"forced"
No-Turnover-2603@reddit
Probably the most accurate summary of Microsoft support I've seen.
Simon-is-IT@reddit
Microsoft started offshoring at least 25 years ago. I know because we had to train our replacements then were let go.
fudgebug@reddit
Holy shit, are you me?
FarToe1@reddit
Genuine question; When was it ever good?
Rici1@reddit
There have been times when it was pretty good and you actually dealt with support personnel with deep knowledge of the products they were supporting. Prior to 2012/2014.
FarToe1@reddit
Fair play - long before I've had to use them.
anthonysredditname@reddit
I feel this in my bones so much across so many companies. Constant attrition = no real knowledge of what they support anymore. They get away with it because there’s enough people who can’t or don’t leave. So invoices get paid, shareholders get their cut. Rinse and repeat while continually deteriorating internal morale, culture, effectiveness, etc.
W3tTaint@reddit
But did you kindly do the needful?
gcbeehler5@reddit
Very similar experience. I avoid engaging with them if i can help it.
sbadm1@reddit
Microsoft support is non-existent nowadays. I remember the days where you’d log a ticket and you’d get a callback within an hour. Now it takes days or even weeks to get the initial call. It’s painful
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Stop working for companies who don’t prioritize US citizens. If the CEO isn’t American and most of the C level staff aren’t, then find another company. I have watched over the years countless non-US people gain jobs and prominence only to help their kind above us and tell us how Racist we are while they themselves choose themselves over the good for all.
Downtown-Sell5949@reddit
Something better as a European: don’t support any American company.
Lofoten_@reddit
You are posting on reddit.
A company founded by Americans, then sold to an American company, managed by another American company...
I understand your opinion and your view, and honestly I can understand it. However, you're not making a very strong case for view, are you?
Downtown-Sell5949@reddit
I use a adblocker, not paying for anything. Yeah Reddit is definitely getting a lot of money from me while shitposting.
iliekplastic@reddit
The CEO is an American citizen. Yes he was born in India, but it's weird to say he's not American when he's a naturalized citizen and been here for over 3 decades.
NoTime4YourBullshit@reddit
I love how this works. White CEO with an all-white management team? Racist. Non-white CEO with an all non-white management team? You’re a racist for noticing.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
iliekplastic@reddit
Why do you believe that person is saying that an American citizen who has lived here, gone to school here, and worked here for over 30 years "isn't American"?
NoTime4YourBullshit@reddit
In the absence of knowledge to the contrary, it’s a reasonable assumption considering Microsoft’s hiring practices. They’re notoriously a sweatshop for developers and support staff. They’re the chief abusers of the H1-B visa program and spend gobs of cash lobbying congress to increase visa quotas so they can import more foreign workers even though there are plenty of native-born Americans who are totally qualified for those jobs.
What really chaps my ass is when someone get all righteously indignant on another’s behalf whenever a stereotype is invoked (even though most stereotypes have some general basis in truth) as if they’re trying to say “Lookie how not-racist I am!”
And by the way… Satya Nadella applied for US citizenship under…wait for it… an H1-B visa sponsored by Microsoft, yay. Well look at that.
iliekplastic@reddit
What's the reasonable assumption here? That an American citizen who has lived here, gone to school here, and worked here for 30+ years and has family here "isn't American"?
Sorry, I don't buy into your nativist delusions. Your whole comment is predicated upon the false premise that there is some meaningful distinction between me having been born here and Satya being a naturalized citizen with regards to his capability of being an evil CEO of an evil corporation. I am perfectly capable of being just as evil as CEO of Microsoft, trust me!
NoTime4YourBullshit@reddit
Let’s look at the immutable fact pattern here:
Fact 1: People prefer to associate with other people of the same racial and cultural background. That’s true of all places everywhere.
Fact 2: Microsoft has preferred to import tens of thousands of foreign workers rather than hire equally qualified Americans for decades, and those equally qualified Americans rightly criticize them for it.
Fact 3: The current CEO of Microsoft was a beneficiary of that practice before he became a citizen, even if he’s a dyed-in-the-wool American.
Now, I have no strong opinions one way or the other about Satya Nadella’s leadership. But neither do you (or at least, you didn’t articulate any). You were just Johnny-on-the-spot to mash that “Rrracist!” button because u/Tech_Mix_Guru111 uttered a stereotype that that makes you uncomfortable. A stereotype which — as the fact-pattern I laid out indicates — is not entirely unfounded, even if it might not be true in this particular case (although he was making a general statement anyway so that’s moot).
And lastly… you call me a nativist as though that’s somehow a self-evidently bad thing. I’m an American. I want American companies to hire American workers to make American products, and it’s not wrong of me to think that way. And maybe it’s unfair of me to say so, but I suspect you only have a problem with Fact 1 when it’s white people doing it.
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Thanks! I imagine one day that if the non conformist of reddit would realize their error in thinking that I would spend time to articulate an argument as well as you did, but that’ll never happen. Again thanks and good job.
iliekplastic@reddit
I'm just gonna ignore all the twitter cryptonazi rambling. Pretty disgusting stuff really. Gotta ignore junk like this since you are just projecting nonsense onto the conversation I didn't say, you are shadowboxing like crazy here.
NoTime4YourBullshit@reddit
“Twitter-style cryptonazi.” Ahh yes, the last bastion of ad-hominem name-calling from a person who has no actual rebuttal on the merits.
Neither he nor I ever said anything of the sort. Now who’s projecting?
That’s exactly the reason and it predates Satya by 20 years. You just don’t mind the abuse.
iliekplastic@reddit
When did I say I don't mind the abuse? Of course it's awful.
And?
You are going way out in the weeds on this to get away from my core issue that started this...
The claim that someone who is clearly an American "isn't American" just because he happened to be born in India is what I reject and I challenged over and over, and both of you weasel around it.
iliekplastic@reddit
Noticing what?
https://news.microsoft.com/source/leadership/
Looks like plenty of white people in leadership there. In fact looks like a disproportionate amount of white people. Do you see any people born in India in the upper echelons of leadership at Microsoft?
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Yawn… no one is calling me racist… what I’m referring to are the ethnic groups who predominantly higher their own into positions above others who are equally skilled but choose to hire those that look like them… or my favorite promoting their friends above others so they get to keep their visa status while snubbing others. Then have the audacity to say ohh that’s racist anytime they don’t like something other groups say
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
Okay then I'll start: you're racist
Also this rant about "ethnic groups that hire people that look like them above others" is a hilarious bit of mud for a white american, presumably male, to be slinging around. Really not beating the uneducated allegations. Speaking of which, it's hire not higher.
iliekplastic@reddit
Why are you claiming that an American citizen "isn't American"?
malikto44@reddit
Easier said than done. Many US companies wind up bought out by holding companies or capital groups who do this.
Huge_Recognition_691@reddit
Anyone has a link or screenshot of stories of management allegedly taking Xbox controllers out of Xbox employee's hands working on projects?
Michelanvalo@reddit
What the fuck is the visual formatting of this? Bolding, italics, highlighting, changing fonts. This guy clearly did not work as a front end dev. This is horrid.
akindofuser@reddit
And after you get past the formatting you still have a long unorganized rant to read through.
Perhaps many of the points are valid, if maybe a bit embellished. But it’s hard to take the post too seriously.
Hipster-Stalin@reddit
That was my initial response to the post. It read like the rantings of someone a bit off their rocker. No shit people like that would be let go, no one wants to deal with people like that!
vincentdesmet@reddit
Could be Attention Deficit issues the author brings it up a lot.
The issues described sounds typical of organisations that are slowly converted through nepotism into being led by a certain caste system - the same happened at IBM, Oracle now Microsoft?
W3tTaint@reddit
He obviously got fired because of the shitty writing.
VFRdave@reddit
He says he has ADHD and Microsoft illegally refused to provide accomodations for his disability, which is a violation of ADD. It's in that long rant somewhere.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
What accommodations is an employer supposed to provide for ADHD? Isn't that kinda just a take your meds in the morning and carry on kinda thing?
TYGRDez@reddit
Typically it's just things to reduce distractions from your surroundings - quiet/private space to work, noise cancelling headphones, etc.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
It's federal law that if you have ADHD your employer has to buy you noise cancelling headphones? Man if they're handing these diagnosis out like candy Imma have to get me one and cash in on that
TYGRDez@reddit
I don't know what the laws are like in your jurisdiction; I'm not American.
The way you're talking about ADHD kind of rubs me the wrong way as well. It's a legitimate disability; one that I really wish I didn't have to manage every single day of my life.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
If you're immediately gonna default to "idk I'm not American" why would you engage a discussion about the American disability laws?
TYGRDez@reddit
I engaged in the discussion because seeing misinformation about ADHD online bothers me.
Your question was "What accommodations is an employer supposed to provide for ADHD?", so I provided examples of common accommodations. Whether or not those accommodations are federally mandated in the US is a different question.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
In the context of a discussion about the AMERICAN Disabilities Act
No it was the question being asked lol
theB1ackSwan@reddit
Relax, a bit. You brought up being American first, and it was definitely in the spirit of rhetoric that you asked.
To answer - broadly speaking, the law calls for good-faith, reasonable attempts at accommodations. That is, you cannot mandate that your employer give you an entire building to yourself to eliminate distractions, but you can ask your employer to seat you in a place near windows (or away from), modify the lighting, provide a particular desk or computer accessories, provide noise-cancelling headphones if they cannot accommodate noise concerns in other ways, etc.
There's no fixed list because all disability accommodations are unique to the person and the circumstance.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
There's nothing unrelaxed about that comment.
I wasn't the first person to bring up that it was an American thing, but yes the entire point was that it was about America, that's exactly what I'm saying
TYGRDez@reddit
Have a good day 🙂
iliekplastic@reddit
No, it's not federal law to supply headphones explicitly in that way. The Americans with Disabilities Act basically says that you (the employer) must provide reasonable accommodations unless doing so would cause undue hardship. I don't get why you are complaining about this, it seems like a pretty basic thing and it's not like companies that have 15 or more employees can't afford some reasonable accommodations. These companies that feel like they can't afford to do this should pick themselves up by their bootstraps and quit complaining about following the law.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
Who says I'm complaining? lol Talk about defensive
iliekplastic@reddit
That is to be negotiated back and forth, according to the law. Basically the employee asks for reasonable accommodations. Key word there, reasonable. For instance, flexible schedule, work from home a day a week because in the office is too distracting for certain tasks, longer timelines for professional goals related to studying and passing an exam, etc... There is no official government list, it's something that is to be negotiated with the employer and the employer must make reasonable accommodations. The employer is not allowed to completely dismiss it and make no effort, that will result in potential liability.
whocaresjustneedone@reddit
So if they don't give anyone at the company a flexible schedule or work from home days does that then make it reasonable to say no to those requests?
iliekplastic@reddit
Depends on if that created an undue hardship on the business or not.
https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/enforcement-guidance-reasonable-accommodation-and-undue-hardship-under-ada
If the employee thinks it's not unreasonable and disagrees, they can file a complaint with the EEOC. If it gets contended by the company, it can likely go to a judge to be figured out.
Rawme9@reddit
The article mentions additional mentorship and instruction as accommodations requested by the person's doctor
taikowork@reddit
Yeah, I have super severe ADHD and I would never expect a workplace to accommodate it.. I just take my meds and go on as normal.
AmericanGeezus@reddit
I lost a job during the Adderall shortage.
Only time I felt like I needed an accommodation. Just a week every month with a lower ticket expectation and some flexibility with my my start/end hours while I dealt with the medication withdrawal.
Michelanvalo@reddit
His criticisms might be totally fair and valid, and so might those he's screens hotting. But he's presenting it very poorly.
Rocky_Mountain_Way@reddit
I miss the tags of Netscape.
...NOT
Michelanvalo@reddit
You sick fuck
GorillaChimney@reddit
The sad part is it's very interesting but holy hell, my eyes are bleeding when I read it and all the screenshots just look like random ads.
kcheyne@reddit
Agreed. If you need excessive formatting and highlighting to make your point, you aren't.
kerosene31@reddit
Given some Microsoft UIs in the past, maybe they did? :)
WDWKamala@reddit
How could Microsoft have possibly regretted hiring the person who crafted such a document?
Sufficient_Yak2025@reddit
If you unionize, you will seal your fate of being replaced by A.I. even faster. You will go from being an expense to being an expense with an attitude problem. Management and stockholders will do everything on the planet to eliminate you
Tarntanya@reddit
Yeah, they laid off the entire L1 and L2 SCIM support team last Friday. I hope no one in this sub needs to raise a ticket with Defender, Purview, Entra, etc., in the coming months.
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
you should probably know what SCIM is before you attempt to lie about it.
If you think the SCIM support group is 700 people, you are absolutely delusional
This would be news to all three of those groups that are still taking support tickets.
someMoronRedditor@reddit
This is false, I know several people in SCIM and just spoke with a technical advisor in SCIM yesterday. None of his team was impacted. I do agree though, I hope nobody needs to raise a ticket with any MS product for that matter. Unless you are a very large enterprise customer, you will never speak to an FTE - only MindTree.
Grizzalbee@reddit
MindTree guy's job is to take notes while my TAM gets me someone of value.
I_T_Gamer@reddit
I've only ever raised a ticket with MS to get management off my back. It gives me space to actually fix the issue...
So, for us this is business as usual. We'll still get garbage responses and scripted calls.
tankerkiller125real@reddit
You and me both. "I opened a ticket with Microsoft they're working on it" and then into and actually solved the problem.
I've had Microsoft actually fix an issue exactly once in my entire career, it was a new guy and he was super motivated to solve my issue himself apparently, and I just know for a fact that the guy I spoke with was probably immediately promoted out of support so it could never happen again.
DiseaseDeathDecay@reddit
I've had MS fix LOTS of issues, many of which would have been practically impossible for a normal admin.
My favorite was when there was a spate of drives getting corrupted by an update, and they would break out the raw disk hex editor and re-write portions of the drive to fix it.
I've also had issues that were actual bugs in software that an admin couldn't fix. Those took a long time for MS to fix, but they eventually did.
Also recently had them revert an update that was stuck that I'd be skeptical anyone without MS resources available could have fixed.
A lot of MS techs suck. That's been true forever (I got one ~10 years ago that literally didn't understand the ConfigMan GUI, and it was a case about ConfigMan), and maybe it's a lot worse now, but to act like MS support has always been incapable of fixing anything is just dumb.
tankerkiller125real@reddit
My entire professional career spans around 10 years, I never got to experience good Microsoft support from the past, only the shitty outsource crap they have now.
The only time I've had a good support experience has been twice, the mentioned new guy working on a SharePoint issue, and when Teams was a brand new product so support was still actually handled by Microsoft, or at least an Irish contractor.
WideAwakeNotSleeping@reddit
You need to pay for the good support. For a year we used their standard support - absolute shit. They were very good at listening to my issue, but not taking notes or working on it. I alluded to this in another comment, but my tickets were forwarded between agents constantly (and every agents needs the issue showed as it there are no notes in the ticket), inststance on calling me even if I've noted that I prefer email, not scheduling calls/screen sharing sessions in timely manner. Everything but actual good support. The standard support only excels at closing tickets if you don't reply to them in their timelines.
Then we bought some fancy support package this spring. Granted, I've only had to submit one ticket so far and maybe it was a very basic issue. But I got a reply super quickly and it was fixed over a single meeting.
badaz06@reddit
We started with the Premier support and gave up. I equate the difference to pouring salt into an open wound and umm...pouring salt into an open wound. I've spent 4 months back and forth with them asking questions to relay to some "back-end engineer" that a 3 minute phone call would of easily accomplished - on a sec issue we found with their product.
They're useless.
DiseaseDeathDecay@reddit
All of my examples above except for maybe the ConfigMan guy are from the last 5 years.
Specialist-Cream8259@reddit
Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about. I work in SCIM (FTE Team) and nobody has been laid off. Microsoft is a shit company, but let's not spread fake news for no reason.
Ok_Weight_6903@reddit
nope, I didn't buy into the cloud bullshit.
dflame45@reddit
Makes sense. Do they actually fix anything or just pass along feature requests?
jmatsumoto@reddit
I don’t like the layoffs but have you ever had to use that “support” team? They’ve been a joke from the early days.
badaboom888@reddit
prob layed off and will offshore
perthguppy@reddit
That sounds like a lot more than the SCIM team.
Let me guess tho; that whole team will be replaced with v- support
No_Resolution_9252@reddit
Anyone who reads that drivel and comes to the conclusion OP did, probably deserves to be laid off.
haksaw1962@reddit
Hell NO, No unions.
fivelargespaces@reddit
They should all band together and build clones of MS's game portfolio and complete with them. I'd buy a clone of Age of Empires 2 that isn't a money grab and has decent game mechanics, like units can find their fucking path. I'm sure many people will want other games cloned, that MS just fucking enshitified.
Cute_ernetes@reddit
It seems like there is much more about this author down a rabbit hole from a quick Google search. From potentially being anti-vaccine, a weather control conspiracy theorist, and who knows what else.
Nit exactly what I would call a trustworthy source, or maybe there are other reasons behind being terminated....
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Trustworthy based on your bias and beliefs. That’s the issue with Reddit, don’t like something someone says, you label them this or that and move on righteous in your indignation.
hak8or@reddit
It's 100% fair to ignore to lump someone into the "their beliefs don't warrant any of your time" if they are anti vaxx.
Being anti vaxx in this day and age, especially for someone who's technically adept and should therefore be able research things themselves, shows they are quite not bright. They had to have so many lapses in logic and knowledge to get to that point that I question their thinking process for anything else.
It's like talking to someone who says they can eat from the air instead of solid food, there's nothing worth engaging with there.
For this specific individual though, I have a sneaking suspicion this person is suffering from a mental illness and getting worse over time. It reminds me of the guy who made HolyOS, extremely talented and a good engineer, who over time went crazy. I hope this person finds help.
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Well with all the revelations about how covid was handled I’d be wary of any fucking thing the govt tells me. But people like to stand on business and keep up the narratives. Ain’t y’all done seen you’re being taken for a ride by these entities that say don’t look at me look at them instead… but that’d require people to apply logic and critical thinking and who’d do that when people can just be lazy
FarceMultiplier@reddit
You are being lied to about how the pandemic was handled. Start diving into where your beliefs came from.
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Omg it never ends, all the gaslighting and all the effort to demonize others, you know at some point it can’t all be true. We can’t all be some stupid backwoods hillbilly uneducated that can’t distinguish right from wrong, fair from unfair, controlled from free.
But but but in this instance you’re wrong 🤣🤣. Yeah yeah we’ve heard it all before.
FarceMultiplier@reddit
You are not being gaslit or demonized. You are playing into your own victim complex and are not taking the time and putting in the effort to realize that you are wrong.
Just stop and actually think about the motivations of the people who have led you astray.
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
Nobody’s a victim, but I work with many who become victims bc of external circumstances all the time and most of the time it’s made up BS they perceive.
The government has lied multiple times, why would they try to pardon everyone involved, do we do that just as a precaution normally for people when they’re being honest? I mean gtfo with that and no other president has done what that shit show the last admin did and yet you sit here deflecting with righteous indignation that we’re all just stupid conspiracy theorists. We see you, we see you and your little groupthink cult trying to tell us how it really is despite what we see hear and live. Are you real or some Chinese Bot farm? Really?
FarceMultiplier@reddit
You mean the people who were pardoned because the uncontrolled idiot currently in the WH openly said he was going to vindictively go after them for opposing his illegal and immoral activities?
sybrwookie@reddit
OK, you're so close. Now say all that into a mirror.
Rawme9@reddit
Vaccines have existed for SO long. We have literally eradicated diseases with them. Every leading scientist in the world is pro-vaccine. As a concept, vaccines are a proven effective method of disease prevention and cure.
Being wary of government narratives in general is reasonable, they lie all the time, but if you apply logic and critical thinking to vaccines using all available information it is clear that they are overwhelmingly beneficial.
Tech_Mix_Guru111@reddit
No one is saying they aren’t… typical Reddit rhetoric. Y’all like to judge people by what they do and say and the character when it benefits you, but not when it imposes on your beliefs. No winning bc the mass of Reddit users are the typical contrarian trolls of private and public organizations that can’t hold down jobs due to their character so they come on here anonymously to feel validation by the same type people and living one upvote/downvote at a time just proves all the points of those people downvoted for valid arguments.
Rawme9@reddit
Perhaps I am not understanding your point.
The poster you responded to said that being anti-vaxx points to a gap in critical thinking and logic. You said that we should be wary of government narratives (implying vaccine efficacy is a government narrative to be skeptical of). I said we should be skeptical of government narratives but vaccines are good and any good logic would lead you to that conclusion.
I have no idea how this is being a contrarian troll of reddit or what this has to do with judging myself equally to others.
Rawme9@reddit
This is kind of a huge deal
I don't think it discredits a lot of what is said, but certainly we should view things with a certain lens given this history
shepherd_student@reddit
This makes him even more trustworthy in my book.
iliekplastic@reddit
I don't care if someone who could be an ally in unionization of a massive company has some unrelated whacko beliefs. You ain't building a union without a few nutjobs in the ranks.
Ansible32@reddit
Microsoft is doing layoffs to suppress wages and claiming it's about AI, that much is true.
tacticalAlmonds@reddit
Or.. just don't work for Microsoft?
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Yeah man. Great strategy
WDWKamala@reddit
I dunno this is pretty poorly presented.
It really gives me a vibe like this person actually was terrible at their job and had numerous excuses as to why.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Yeah like total lack of any basic functional Microsoft assets to do any tasking
You are right man, totally just an excuse
Lol
WDWKamala@reddit
Yeah. I’m sure Microsoft hired this senior level person for a year and didn’t provide them with basic assets even though they were an outstanding high quality employee.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Good, glad you actually read the article
WDWKamala@reddit
So you’re the person who wrote it then?
Yes I read it. I got about 3/4 of the way through when I realized they probably regretted hiring you and were trying to undo that mistake from day one.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Yeah they want quiet, obedient little scapegoats
Probably was a mistake you are right, I'm def not that
WDWKamala@reddit
Each word just confirms my assessment.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
You sound like you are fun to work with lol
WDWKamala@reddit
Bro….you just wrote an insane rant because you couldn’t hack it a year at Microsoft.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Yeah man, insane
RaNdomMSPPro@reddit
Sorry that the slaves can’t break out of their subservience long enough to grasp what you wrote. It’s funny how some people will defend the actions of the uncaring behemoths. I don’t think they can wrap their heads around how amoral publicly traded companies are. Hope better things are in your future.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Yeah you get good at dealing with trolls
WDWKamala@reddit
You might want to go back and add some more bold and italicized sections.
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Lol yeah man, the most critical part of the article to think about
WDWKamala@reddit
I’m starting to see the bigger picture here.
You’re not really used to existing in a political environment are you? You came from a smaller company in a highly qualified IC role, right?
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
I'm sensing some projection
Mean-Entrepreneur862@reddit (OP)
Glad we are on the same page
occasional_cynic@reddit
This guy is really good at saying very little while putting massive amounts of words together. L Ron Hubbard vibes.
s32@reddit
Yeah this reads like a manifesto or something
Ok_Weight_6903@reddit
just remember this when you're writing your own manifesto lol, it's so easy to judge and keep thinking you're not next
WDWKamala@reddit
Why would I be next?
FunTumbleweed7991@reddit
Bingo. I got sour grapes ranting like within 5s of opening the link.
haklor@reddit
Yeah, the writer definitely needed some time to compile their thoughts much better here. Sounds like a bitchfest with some potential real things sprinkled in. I'm saying this as a former Microsoftee. Not all teams are the same, neither are the orgs within MSFT but I generally had a solid group of people around me. Only one people manager that I had gripes about but nothing that impacted my work, performance, or even rewards.
That being said, there are some real issues. CSS cases going to people that do not know the product or if the issue touches two components they will argue about which team should handle it. Documentation for features is fleshed out over a very long period of time, meaning early adopters will have to learn without some important things being annotated.
I do definitely worry about the over reliance on both AI and H1-B's. AI being one of those things where the marketing hype is big but the reality is a whimper and some companies will learn that the hard way. H1-B will hurt the industry just like off-shoring does. If there isn't a rebound in the company then they will decline, as enterprises do not want to deal with mediocre products with garbage support.
inquirewue@reddit
Unions are a horrible idea in the modern workforce. An IT union would lead to stagnant wages and layoffs eventually. Both my parents were union their whole careers and hated every second of it. My mom's pension is pathetic and honestly insulting. My dad was able to break away for the last 15 years of his career and he did so much better than my mom in just that 15 years. No, he was not management.
Stop believing the political money being poured into reddit in the form of posts like these.
sybrwookie@reddit
So your complaint is that at some point down the line, it might lead to what we already have now
peacefinder@reddit
Keep in mind that there has also been over forty years of anti-union propaganda dominance across the US in all media. The pushback in Reddit and other social networks is a pittance.
inquirewue@reddit
So I'm spewing propaganda while I accuse you of the same thing. I'm sure we will get far in this conversation and certainly come to an understanding.
peacefinder@reddit
That is not what I am saying.
We are in the US all steeped in and indoctrinated with several concepts that date back to Reagan or further:
None of these things are universally true (and to the extent they might be true, they are all far more nuanced than presented.) But they have been pounded into us so relentlessly and completely for so long, that the mildest pushback or disagreement is considered crazy or propaganda.
You have your experience, fine, that’s valid. However, consider that the perspective you offer is not based on first-hand experience: you’re relating what your parents have said. And their opinions on unions have themselves been colored by decades of anti-union propaganda.
Unions have flaws, all human institutions do. But their flaws are not the whole story, and if someone makes the effort to set aside received opinions, they might just find that the advantage outweigh the flaws.
GorillaChimney@reddit
If you aren't in a union environment, join one. Now. Even if it's not IT work, get your foot in the door and just transfer later to an IT position.
I genuinely feel bad for anyone not in a union - IT jobs are dying and the ones that aren't gone are being outsourced and/or are paying like shit.
sryan2k1@reddit
Why? I make far more money than I ever could in a union job, with better benefits. And I don't have to deal with deadweight coworkers that should have been fired a decade ago but can't be because of the union.
burnte@reddit
This is the first time I've ever decided to turn on Reader mode because the site itself was so damned ugly. Text is aliased to hell, he's got random formatting sprinkled through the text that is distracting, it's genuinely hard to read for me. His CSS is a mess too, you can't just remove a style, all the bad crap is done in tag-styles, not classes.
I know this isn't about the content, but this is a genuinely bad design.
GoonOfAllGoons@reddit
Still don't want a union.
This guy comes off as unhinged.
Verukins@reddit
MS was, even back in the 2000's, the worst company i ever worked for.
The underlying management attitude that leads to what this dude is talking about has been there for a very long time.... but somehow they managed to create a cult-type enviornment where everything they did was right and anyone suggesting otherwise was wrong.
I think the difference now they have more scope and ability to agressively reduce headcount with poor/non-existant labour protection laws under the current US administration combined with the absurd view that AI will be able to replace many job functions. (given the quality of MS support these days, i struggle to see how it could get worse - but MS will find a way!)
Sharkictus@reddit
Copilot is worse than chat gpt somehow...despite it being built on top of it.
WideAwakeNotSleeping@reddit
Maybe AI bot will understand my availability for a web meeting and time zones, my preference to use email iver phone call, attend the meetings they themselves schedule, and not assign a ticket to new agent every week.
Verukins@reddit
you have a point.... if AI can actually even understand the issue, rather than asking me repeatedly for logs that have relevance to the issue before telling me the issue is too hard for them to help - it will be a step up from current support.
Not calling at 2am local time when i specified email contact would be a bonus too.
Diableedies@reddit
No, I don't want to be forced into a union - ever. I'm paid for my talent, not for my years of service.
FateOfNations@reddit
Your experience is part of the talent you are being paid for. In the era where people worked for the same company for their entire career, years of service is an adequate and objective proxy for experience. In the current era, with the lack of unionization among professionals, we don’t have a lot of examples of different ways it could work.
Unionization is fundamentally about collective bargaining: it’s a process, not a specific kind of compensation or reward structure.
stickysox@reddit
A union can barter that if that's how they decide to barter it.
Unions are only as good as their members and leadership, same for companies.
AlexisFR@reddit
We should forcefully turn a company in to a coop once they become big and important enough.
If not possible, just break them up.
FateOfNations@reddit
The existing owners would have to be bought out by the employees and/or customers. They don’t just magically go away. That’s a huge chunk of change too.
iliekplastic@reddit
You kinda can't force a company into being a coop. You can unionize, but transitioning a company from privately owned or publicly traded into a cooperative requires buy-in from the board who would rather just fire and replace everyone who is complaining and trying to turn it into a cooperative.
gamebrigada@reddit
Big tech that's investing heavily in AI needs cash to grow their AI workforce. With Meta offering 100M signing bonuses and even higher annual compensation, companies are having to make the switch from paying 500 mid to senior software engineers to a single AI talent.
Even if AI isn't cutting into efficiency and transforming the industry directly, its certainly shifting the cash flow.
togetherwem0m0@reddit
It goes well beyond getting workers with a cheaper wage. They want workers beholden to them for residency, something more important than money, becsuse they dont want empowered middle class people with admin level access to the tools and platforms they are making.
They want a subservient compliant underclass who can have their residency privileges revoked at a moments notice, who will do anything to stay in the ysax including building and maintaining systems of questionable morality
themanonthemooo@reddit
MS right now:
VFRdave@reddit
Huh? Didn't MS just post record profits and they're making more money now than at any time in its 40 year history?
occasional_cynic@reddit
Yep. The blog/article goes in seventeen different directions, blaming offshoring/AI/culture, but the reality is Microsoft is a super-profitable monopoly that does not need to provide real service to its customers. Why would they need sales people when customers are forced to use them? Why would they need support when you have nowhere else to go?
Afropirg@reddit
Gotta keep those shareholders happy with the continual profit growth every quarter, if you're not going to reach your goal, what's a few thousand people losing their jobs if it means you hit your profit goal.
GeneralUnlikely1622@reddit
Still no, lol.
TheVideoGameCritic@reddit
They should all join meta! I heard they’re hiring.
yaboiWillyNilly@reddit
They also laid off a heck ton of Turn10 contractors earlier this month, so that’s pretty neat. I wonder what they are planning.
shouldvesleptin@reddit
Not yet, we can't....
everburn_blade_619@reddit
If you actually believe you were wrongfully terminated, it might be a better idea to lawyer up instead of trauma dumping 10,000 words on a blog post formatted like this.
I don't disagree with the idea behind unionizing and I'm sorry you lost your job.
KingStannisForever@reddit
I wonder if Azure will blow up on this. Or is there always gonna be some batman to pull them back from the brink.
Those stories about documentation being just wrong and then just escalate into...forever and never sounds awful.
Frosty-Cut418@reddit
Fuck sake. What a dumpster fire.