The Islamic Republic’s New Lease on Life • How the Ս.S.-Israeli Strikes Empowered the Iranian Regime
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Israel’s June 13 assault on Iran, designed to decapitate Tehran’s military and nuclear program, is one of the worst setbacks the Islamic Republic has ever experienced. In less than two weeks, the Israel Defense Forces managed to assassinate dozens of senior Iranian commanders and nuclear scientists. The IDF destroyed many of Iran’s air defense systems and damaged its nuclear facilities. Israel bombed Iran’s energy infrastructure, military bases, and various missile production sites. The strikes were precise, indicating that Israeli intelligence had penetrated the highest levels of Iran’s armed forces and government. And toward the end of the attacks, the United States joined in. As a result, the Iranian military is weaker now than it was just a month earlier.
But instead of collapsing under the shock, the Islamic Republic appears to have gained a new lease on life. The strikes caused a rally-around-the-flag effect as Iranians condemned them and celebrated the government’s response. The Iranian regime mourned its lost officials but swiftly replaced them. The operations thus made the Iranian nation more cohesive and strengthened the hand of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).
Iranian society is unlikely to become more rigidly Islamist in response to the strikes. To maintain internal stability, the government might even tolerate more social freedoms. But the regime will probably become more repressive, arresting anyone it sees as a traitor. And critically, Iranians may be more willing to accept the state as it is. The country could now have a new social contract, one that prioritizes national security above everything else.
Iran’s national security strategy, however, remains broadly unchanged. The Islamic Republic may be weaker in some ways, but its leaders are proud of having withstood the Israeli and American assaults. They see the substantial damage they inflicted on Israel’s cities as a major achievement. And they continue to believe that demonstrating resolve in the face of aggression is the only way to deter their opponents. Iranian leaders will thus set out to rebuild the country’s network of proxies: the so-called axis of resistance. They will trust diplomacy even less than before. Instead, they will lay the groundwork for a long war of attrition with Israel—and a potential nuclear breakout.
Israeli and U.S. officials are, of course, focused more on whether Tehran is a threat to them than whether it is a threat to its people. And after a year and a half of indirect and direct conflict, many of them believe the regime is nowhere near as menacing as it was before. According to these commentators, Iran’s aggressive Middle East strategy has been a failure, given the collapse of Hezbollah in Lebanon, Assad in Syria, and Hamas in Gaza—plus the damage to Iran’s own military.
The IRGC, however, sees the situation differently. Its leaders believe the country’s forward defense strategy—fighting adversaries by conducting asymmetric warfare near or within their borders rather than on Iranian soil—has been vindicated. This approach successfully deterred Israel and the United States from attacking for years and thus bought Tehran critical time to build up the industrial infrastructure, technical expertise, and institutional resilience it can now use to rapidly rebuild its nuclear and ballistic missile programs, even after the devastating bombings.
Still, Iran does not appear to be rushing toward the bomb. By crossing the nuclear threshold, Tehran would validate the very accusations it has long denied and risk triggering a larger conflict with U.S. forces. Iran also does not see nuclear weapons as a substitute for a strong conventional military. Instead of rushing for a bomb, Tehran will likely continue to pursue nuclear ambiguity, suspending cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency.
That doesn’t mean Iran will eventually build a nuclear weapon. Whether or when the country will obtain the ultimate deterrent remains an open question. But what is clear is this: Iran is unbowed and unlikely to behave differently than it did before. That means Israel may decide to strike again. Iran could swiftly retaliate. The conflict between these parties is far from over, and the Middle East should expect more turbulence ahead.
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Crouteauxpommes@reddit
The Netanyahu Government: Use a violent and massive attack against Israeli military targets and civilians alike as a rally cry for the whole Israeli society, and silence its opponents.
Also the Netanyahu Government: Carry a series of violent and massive strikes against Iranian military targets and civilians alike.
Still the Netanyahu Government: Is surprised that the Iranian society is brought together and the opposite fell silent.
WayOutbackBoy@reddit
I’m not even sure Iranian State TV would have the audacity to say October 7 and bombing of Iranian nuclear sites are equivalents
kapsama@reddit
Israel killed hundreds of Iranian civilians, close to a thousand. Unless you value Iranian civilian lifes less than you value Israeli civilian lifes, both being similar is the only conclusion.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Iran killed hundreds of Iranian civilians, close to a thousand.
That's the accurate statement, liar.
kapsama@reddit
Cute
BigTex88@reddit
Oct 7th was a terrorist attack. The attacks on Iran were not a terrorist attack. Get your head out of your ass
Stubbs94@reddit
Aren't terror attacks basically just violence used for political purposes? Israel attacked Iran purely for political reasons.
BigTex88@reddit
It was for a military reason.
Is everyone on this sub just dumb
Stubbs94@reddit
Iran was not going to attack Israel and was literally engaged in negotiations over their nuclear program at the time. Israel attacked them to prevent those talks and intentionally targeted civilians.
BigTex88@reddit
Yes, their nuclear program that they’re been super upfront about and definitely weren’t hiding things from everyone.
Why are you defending an Islamic regime that supports and funds terrorism around the globe?
Stubbs94@reddit
Why are you defending a regime currently committing a genocide in Palestine?
BigTex88@reddit
There is no genocide happening, so your question is stupid.
Remind me again what Hamas’s aims are when it comes to Israel? If you actually cared about genocide, you’d be against the group that has outright stated that they want to kill not just the Jews in Israel but all Jews worldwide.
Stubbs94@reddit
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine." Hmmmm not seeing anything like what Israeli politicians have been saying during the ongoing genocide in Gaza that you support.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Fascinating. Now do their original charter.
The Ku Klux Klan has quotes that they claim makes them not racist either. They're huge proponents of public school, didn't you know? Or do you think that the KKK might be lying due to extreme public backlash?
kapsama@reddit
No one cares. You guys gripe about a piece of paper while your favorite nations kills women and children for sport.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Wait, when did he say his "favorite nations" (sic) is Iran?
kapsama@reddit
Please cite when Iran has murdered 20,000 children via bombing campaigns and artificially induced famine.
HugsForUpvotes@reddit
Are you denying that Hamas is an antisemitic organization founded on the total genocide of all Jews?
kapsama@reddit
Are you denying that Israel is a monstrous apartheid state that is ACTUALLY committing genocide as we speak?
BigTex88@reddit
Ok sure let's believe the jihadist suicide bombers. Again, you are deranged. I hope you are never in control of national security because you would let the wolves into the hen house because the wolves are being oppressed or some other brain-rotted bullshit lunacy that you've come up with.
Funoichi@reddit
We do believe them.😊Down with zionism and Israel shall be replaced from river to see.
Stubbs94@reddit
You asked me what their goal was with "all the Jews" I showed you their exact goal with the Jewish population was.... I'm not the one who believes Israel isn't intentionally targeting civilians after 21 solid months of them doing that. Also, Hamas aren't the same as ISIS (who weirdly never attacked Israel) etc., they are not trying to enforce a caliphate across the middle east. They are a national liberation movement. That's not condoning their actions towards that goal however.
BigTex88@reddit
It's actually entertaining yet terrifying finding someone in the wild that seems to be a Hamas supporter. You are seriously deranged buddy. Have fun with your terrorism support. Gonna block you now.
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
There is genocide happening
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
We are in the siege of Berlin phase, and that's why you guys are up in arms.
Unfortunately, the difference with 1945 is that the new NSDAP (Hamas, for the slow ones) is not surrendering.
SirStupidity@reddit
Iran attacked Israel just last year bud
BendicantMias@reddit
Care to provide the additional context that you conveniently left out? Was it perhaps a response to something you did first hmmm?
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Yeah, killing Hezbollah leader Nasrallah.
Does that justify lobbing missiles at civilians centres in your fucked up worldview?
Also, care to remember why Iran cares so much about avenging Nasrallah?
And care to explain why a country cannot fight back against another that is funding militias to attack its citizens? Especially when the militia-funding country has the explicit goal of "wiping off the map" (literally genocide, but the jihadi crowd ignores that)) the other one?
BendicantMias@reddit
LMAO! Look who's talking. Your side literally has killed tens of thousands of civilians, and
guess who's actually committing genocide right now? It ain't them, it's you. It's pretty clear who has the 'fucked up worldview' here - YOU.
SirStupidity@reddit
Israel attacked Iranian buildings in or around the Iranian consulate, killing Iranian members of the Quds force and IRGC which were directly responsible in coordinating and supporting attacks on Israel by Hezbollah and Hamas. With these Iranian members of armed forces also a Hezbollah member was killed. Iran chose to involve it's own country in the fighting directly in response and since then and before the last war another attack also occurred.
So it turns out the Iranian regime was the first to involve Iran itself in this conflict.
throwawayyawaworth77@reddit
No, the Irish are just fanatically anti Israel and will believe anything to support that
kapsama@reddit
Oh look another more projection from an Israel supporter.
kapsama@reddit
Oh no we don't subscribe to hateful Zionist ideology. We must be dumb.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
The jihadi crowd never fails to deny the jews self-defense, nor to pretend butchering, raping and kidnapping people a music festival is equivalent to killing some generals.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
No; you are actually paraphrasing Clausewitz's definition of warfare here, e.g. that warfare is "the continuation of policy by other means".
By contrast, terrorist attacks are usually not driven by coherent policy but by ideological fanaticism, and are often carried out by non-state actors. Terrorist attacks frequently lack fundamental strategic logic, in that they do not offer a viable path to any mid-long term political gains for the perpetrators vis a vis their targets.
To this extent many terrorist attacks might be politically motivated, but are arguably non-coercive in nature, because the perpetrators have no policy milestone that they seek to accomplish via the attacks or realistically can accomplish in the aftermath of the attacks.
In other words, terrorist attacks are a subset of political violence, but not all violence carried out with a political objective is terrorism.
Crouteauxpommes@reddit
Can't a state actor engage in activities that could be described as state-sponsored terrorism for the sake of it? By pure desire to harm others? When political interest and ideological fanaticism met, where is the border
Killeroftanks@reddit
Terrorist attacks are when a group uses violence to push a political goal, that's all it is.
Israel attacked Iran to prevent them from gaining nuclear arms, which in itself is a political goal. This is by definition a terrorist attack, same with the pager attack on Hezbollah and October 7th.
DanDan1993@reddit
Is resisting occupation a political goal? Is launching a rescue operation for hostages a political goal? Is launching an operation to hammer foreign nations international relationship political? Is launching rockets and hijacking boats to "protest the genocide" a political goal?
What do you define as a political goal?...
BigTex88@reddit
lol ok sure guy
veilosa@reddit
I'm not sure we can even definitively know what the Iranian public think at the moment when everything in Iran is being so heavily censored. how do we actually know Iranians are rallying behind the government?
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
They're not. The government is oppressing them much harder. And ethnically cleansing Afghans... but this sub who loves to rant about a non-existant ethnic cleansing ignores that.
ZillesBotoxButtocks@reddit
Go and deport some ee-lee-gerls instead of trying your hand at media literacy.
ScaryShadowx@reddit
When was the last time a non-occupied country's citizens welcomed attacks on their soil?
Despite all the political upheaval in America, the protests, the division, the crumbing of the standard playing rules, what do you think would happen if China decided to invade and claim to 'restore democracy by removing Trump'? Do you think the majority of those opposing him would say "thank god China is invading" or would they rally around the establishment? What would your own country do, and why do you think citizens of other countries would react differently?
Empty-Development298@reddit
I would take no issue with a foreign country diposing the current president. It just wouldn't do much because Vance then takes his place. And that dude is yet another absolute moron.
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
Because of statements like these
>“It’s unsettling, but also somewhat reassuring to see them near my house,” a different Tehran resident told the Financial Times, referring to the IRGC paramilitary volunteers. “I could never imagine seeing Basijis and feeling happy.”
This was such a stupid war, Israelis will crow about tactical brilliance but at the very end they lost their Mossad playgrond, IAEA inspectors and Iran will beeline to the bomb, hence the war.
Don't tell worldnews that though.
Mythosaurus@reddit
I can’t, got banned for agreeing with an Israeli general’s frustrations with settlers murdering Palestinians.
And that was years before Oct. 7th…
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Hamas_titties, always ready to lie to defend literally terrorists.
Oct 7 wasn't an attack on "military targets and civilians alike", you fascist scumbag. It was a deliberate act of terrorism against civilians.
The retaliations (because you guys love to pretend Isreal struck first) against Iran weren't on "military targets and civilians alike", they were against military targets.
You're a monster.
And the Iranian society wasn't brought together. They still hate the fascist theocratic regime.
kimchifreeze@reddit
"And this is why it's a good thing" cope. What type of article is this where it's just flowery phrases with no actual details? So many "possible" statements without pointing to anything in particular. Very light on any proper nouns or event.
Naurgul@reddit (OP)
Article isn't saying it's a good thing. It's saying the regime isn't changing its behaviour, will become more repressive and more wars are expected. There's nothing good about any of that.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
The regime has already become more oppressive. Remember the 700 dissidents it arrested as "Israeli spies"? They'll take any excuse.
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
The regime will likely become more oppressive internally, but that isn't all the article claims.
It glosses over the fact that the control clique of senior military officers, who had been in their positions for decades and were a key pillar of the regime's stability, were mostly killed by Israel.
It claims that Iranian missile strikes against Israeli cities are viewed as a success by the regime, which is puzzling given the near-complete ineffectiveness of the strikes, and the obvious inability of Iran to defend its missile launch sites & production capabilities.
It states that Iran withstood the American & Israeli attacks, yet the Iranian air defense grid completely failed to withstand these attacks, and the IDF achieved air superiority over most of the country in a matter of days.
And it claims that Iran's "forward defense"-proxy strategy has been vindicated, despite Iran's regional proxy network not just failing militarily in direct confrontation with Israel, but parts of this proxy network completely collapsing.
Naurgul@reddit (OP)
For each of these it explains what it means:
Article says they were swiftly replaced and it didn't change that much for the regime. If anything, it criticises how the regime rewards loyalty more than competence in its appointments.
You said it yourself, viewed as a success, not saying that it objectively inflicted serious damage to Israel. You can put a positive spin in almost anything. It's talking about propaganda.
Again, it's talking about propaganda. The regime survived, we are strong, we have persevered etc.
The argument in the article is that the proxies absorbed the attacks of Israel/US and Iran won time to develop its industrial capabilities.
Feels like you didn't really read the article even though you obviously did something with it since you're quoting specific parts (but out of context).
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
I know that's what the article says, but this "Command Network" isn't exactly replaceable - see here:
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-special-report-june-14-2025-evening-edition
The regime viewing abject military failure as success doesn't really indicate that it has a "new lease on life", though.
But simple "survival" isn't the goal of the Iranian regime, its goal is regional power projection. It has largely failed at this goal at this point. I find it highly unrealistic that the regime internally views its mere survival as evidence of "we are strong".
Right, and that argument is just objectively wrong. Iran's proxy network didn't "absorb" Israeli attacks, Iran's proxy network was mostly destroyed by Israeli attacks. That's billions of dollars and deecades of foreign policy down the drain, and it didn't even stop the US and Israel from wrecking Iran's industrial capabilities anyway.
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
I mean US and Israel would have bombed in the 80s and 90s. The idea to create a layered defense that allows for a subterrenean industrial complex that can withstand US and Israeli bombs seems like it was smart.
We still don't know if the bunker busters worked and Iran still looks like nothing has changed before the war, aside from topside buildings that can be replaced.
BlueKilvin@reddit
Iranian here. I keep seeing this analysis in western journals, and it’s plain wrong. Don’t get me wrong, we’re not happy with Trump or Bibi. Nobody likes getting bombed, and while the Israeli strikes were targeted, innocents were still caught in the crossfire.
But 47 years of repression, of murder and rape, won’t be so easily forgotten or forgiven. This isn’t like the Iran-Iraq war. Since the 2022 mahsa amini protests the government has been in retreat. That feeling that the end is near never went away, and the recent attack only accelerated it.
There is no new social contract, and the tatters of the old one has completely collapsed. They’ve stolen away our freedom, our futures, our prosperity, for 47 years. Traded it away for their ideology. But they always justified it by saying if we don’t fight in Lebanon and Syria we’ll have to fight in Iran. Or that we’re tolerating the crippling sanctions for a stronger Iran. Well, they failed, their veneer of strength has collapsed, and with it, their last bit of legitimacy.
A government that can’t provide neither safety nor prosperity, is not worth rallying behind.
BendicantMias@reddit
You had your chance to rise up. Even your exiled Shah called for it. No one did. Not then, not since. That speaks volumes. Also 47 years? That's the time since the revolution, not Iranian democracy. Which marks you out as a monarchist, most of whom are in the diaspora, shilling for a dictator and his secret police. You should know better than anyone who Iranians DID rise up to overthrow - your beloved puppet Shah.
BlueKilvin@reddit
I'm not a monarchist. The Shah isn't that popular in Iran, so of course people didn't rise up just because he called for it. But we have risen up before. 2022, 2019, 2008. These are the major ones for which I have been alive for and taken part in. I have been beaten, flogged and jailed by the regime security forces. My friends have lost their eyes to rubber bullets, some I haven't seen since those protests. In both 2019 and 2022 they brought DShK's and fired them at protestors. In 2019, they killed 1500 people in just three days. Do you know why we haven't risen up yet? Because we're afraid. Because Israeli bombs and Islamic republic's guns are both pointed at us.
I don't need a non-Iranian coming here questioning the bravery of my people. Nor undermining the horrors of living under a murderous theocracy. And don't you dare call this farce of a government a democracy. This 47 year hell has been a hell since the very first sham trial where they killed the Shah's horse and maids along with his generals, up until this very day where they sentenced a father to two executions just because he gave medical aid to the 2022 protestors.
TaxLawKingGA@reddit
Iran was not a democracy in 1978, was not one in 1925, and will not be on if the Ayatollah's are overthrown. What is likely to occur is that the IRGC will takeover and Iran will become a military dictatorship.
This idea that if the Ayatollah's are gone, that Iran will become some Jeffersonian Democracy is foolishness. Why was the Shah overthrown? That is the question you have to ask.
The reasons are several, but most scholars and Iranians who were alive at the time (such as my relatives) will tell you that the anti-Monarchists were of two sides: 1 side wanted more democracy, and more modernization, while the other side wanted less. What they did agree on was that the economic growth was not widely distributed, that Iran was to beholden to the U.S. and its allies (including especially, Israel and the UK) and that Iran was being taken advantage of. Why would any of that be different now in the scenario described above?
I am sorry, but either you are too young to remember the Pahlavi Regime, you have family that was involved with the old Regime and want it back, you are not actually Iranian but pretending to be, or, you may be Iranian, but you are not "Persian"; rather, you represent one of the ethnic/religious minorities within Iran who want to government to fall so that you can then create a breakaway republic and thus undermine the territorial integrity of Iran, just like what has happened in Russia, Iraq, Turkey, India, etc. Either way your opinions are completely off base and to be blunt, naïve and dangerous.
BlueKilvin@reddit
Why is everybody assuming stuff about my identity or ridiculing it as a comeback. If it helps you decide how you should feel about me, I am an "actual" Iranian. I have experience living in Iran not just stories from some relatives. I am "Persian" as well, or I think of myself as such. though this line of ethnic thinking is a bit more blurred in Iran. You should know. I have Turkish, Kurdish and Persian blood. Like many Iranians. I identify more with my city of birth than ethnicity.
And yes I was born after the revolution. I've read enough to know it wasn't a paradise, and in no way do I want to bring it back. Will the Islamic Republic be replaced with a democracy? Maybe yes, maybe not. But I'd rather fight for my country's future if you don't mind, instead of continuing to suffer under tyranny. And let people who have the blood of so many innocents on their hands, continue their crimes.
My family was in no way connected to the old regime either. But since we're in the game of assumptions, based on how you're so afraid of change, are yours connected to your mullahs? Basiji? Or are you another in the long line of foreigners thinking you know better than "actual" Iranians.
Either way while I'll appreciate your warnings, I rather debate my country's future with people who have actual stakes in it.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
I think that's common in most of the world. Americans are uniquely obsessed with ethnicity, and it's weird. Like those guys who never even visited Italy or Ireland, but still consider themselves Italian or Irish because of one of their great-grandparents.
SirStupidity@reddit
Hi, I just wanted to say that your comment really resonated with me. I have my own trauma related to protesting and attempting to make a change for the better. And that's when its much less brutal violent and traumatic than what you are describing here.
I just wanted to wish you and your friends all the best. And that I'm hoping we all will live to see more peaceful and prosperous times ahead of us
wq1119@reddit
That would be an understatement, no one in Iran wants the Shah back period, that is an uniquely Iranian diaspora thing.
And one could argue that even among viciously anti-Ayatollah Iranian diaspora, the Shah is still disliked or at best viewed neutrally as an "enemy of my enemy" figure, with all Iranian diaspora people that I stumbled upon instead hoping for an idealistic liberal democratic republic and whatnot, not going back to a corrupt monarchy under the Shah, the Pahlavi Monarchists are a niche minority within a minority of a diaspora group.
BendicantMias@reddit
I didn't question their bravery, I questioned their priorities. You were contradicting the 'rally around the flag' narrative in this story - I pointed out that Iranians are very much behaving in keeping with that very narrative. They didn't rise up, despite having risen up before (as you point out) despite facing opposition for it. They very much seem to have chosen defiance of Israel over toppling their govt. for Israel, exactly as the article suggests.
I didn't say that, but it wasn't a democracy 48 years ago either. Nor 49. Nor 50. Your dating is suspiciously aligned to start just at the point where the Shah was overthrown, implying there wasn't hell before it. Hence why you sounded like a monarchist. Iran had a democracy, but it wasn't 48 years ago. It was much further back than that...
Why are you bringing this up? Sounds like something a monarchist would point at. You could've just stuck to the 'sentenced a father to two executions just because he gave medical aid' part. Why is the fate of the shahs' people matter to you so much? Why does your 'hell' period start only when he lost power? You say you're not a monarchist, so why do you talk like one? Why are you not longing for the time before the puppet Shah instead?
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
Iranians are brave, there is no denying this, the problem is that it is dumb, like the suicide bomber paradox. Doing something dumb is in a way a form of cowardice.
The 2022 protests caused reelings, but the recent war strengthened the regime. Maybe it is less islamic than before but the same reality continues democracy is still unlikely, dropping the bomb project is still unlikely. Dystopian counter intelligence is here to stay.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Not really. They're a mostly unarmed population facing a violent, oppressive regime that has shown to be very willing to slaughter and maim them for imaginary offenses, and that uses torture as a matter of course.
I, for one, can't blame them for not rising up. They are already very courageous to protest, knowing the cost.
I wish with all my heart for the Iranians to be freed from their horrible regime (and the Gazans, too, of course), but it's no easy task.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Hamas_titties doesn't care about the Iranian people. Most regulars here will only listen if told that you guys love the Ayatollah.
It's not true, but it's what they want to hear.
HockeyHocki@reddit
Yeah this article reeks of cope tbh, very dubious Iranians are rallying behind anyone tbh. Celebrating the end of this shite for now is about all
Throwaway5432154322@reddit
As an Iranian, I'm curious about your take on this analysis piece about the "Command Network" of senior Artesh & IRGC officers that were mostly killed by Israeli forces over the past month; particularly your opinion on how the removal of this "Command Network" might relate to your comments above on the flagging strength of the regime.
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-special-report-june-14-2025-evening-edition
Excerpts:
"The Israeli air campaign is driving generational turnover in Iranian military leadership... These individuals had occupied some of the highest positions in the Iranian armed forces for years and, in some cases, decades. These officers were extremely influential in shaping Iranian strategy due to their positions at the top of the military hierarchy and their immediate access to Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. These officers intervened in Iranian domestic affairs on several occasions to assert their shared political preferences and see the regime through internal crises."
"That Israel has killed so many members within and in the orbit of the Command Network in recent days means that Israel has not only removed a key leadership cadre—it has also degraded one of the most stable and influential factions in the Islamic Republic. The Command Network has been an enduring presence in Iranian decision-making circles for decades—one of the few factions to remain so dominant other than Khamenei himself."
BlueKilvin@reddit
The IRGC is the true power behind the Islamic republic. Beyond its military wing, it also runs a huge economic syndicate. Automobile, healthcare, banking, construction, etc. Whatever you can imagine, the IRGC controls through third-party "private" companies.
And like the report says, it's like a family mafia. Those in power were the ones who orchestrated the 79 revolution and stuck together through the Iran-Iraq war.
So the senior leadership which kept the government together has been killed off, their military strength humiliated, and the stock market has also been in utter shock.
There is no uniformity to the government anymore. Khamenei is still in hiding (he did show up for a day but has since disappeared again). And in his absence, there is open conflict between the hardliners and reformists. Reformists want to surrender to the US. The hardliners are setting up prize pools to have trump assassinated. It's utter chaos.
VintageGriffin@reddit
Ah, so Israel can do targeted, precision strikes when it wants to. Like assassinate individual dudes through a wall or a window with a rocket/drone - and not just carpet bomb entire city blocks because there's "Hamas somewhere in there".
BigTex88@reddit
The problem is that Hamas hides out in tunnels and amongst civilians.
Israel actually cares more about Palestinians lives than Hamas does. I know that's hard for you to believe.
Stubbs94@reddit
That's hilarious. Get better propaganda.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
What's "hilarious" is how selective you are at believing your own propaganda.
Because Hamas doesn't even hide the fact they don't care about Gazan civilians. They state it outright.
And yet, you, Hamas fanboy #1, don't know that?
BigTex88@reddit
Why is it always Irish flairs that super hate Israel? I had no idea the Irish were so fucking anti-semitic.
Irish Car Bombs for the entire bar wooo!!!
wq1119@reddit
Said it again award.
Stubbs94@reddit
We are anti occupation.... Not hard to be in favour of another groups liberation.
BigTex88@reddit
Israel was not occupying Gaza before Oct 7th. Try again.
Stubbs94@reddit
It was, the same way it was occupying the rest of Palestine.
pipboy1989@reddit
I often see this, but can you explain why the GoPro footage that Hamas released THEMSELVES show them having to blow through 30ft border fencing? You’ve seen the footage, right?
Why did they have to go through border fencing to find as Israeli if they were occupied?
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
Because occupiers love to place imaginary lines on maps in order to annex shit. I should know, we Americans were really good at it and it made us awful. But what can we say? We learned from the best, didn't we, Limey?
pipboy1989@reddit
“Oh shit, i’m not sure about what to say so i’ll make it about myself and America”.
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
No, I just knew your next move was to say "the American has no right to speak of imperialism". I guess I should have known you would have tried to deflect either way. Stay on topic, here, pal: Why are you denying occupation in front of the Irishman? Is it because you're a piece of shit?
pipboy1989@reddit
This must be the worst reverse psychology attempt in human history. I could have sworn i asked a question about border fencing in Israel/Gaza and your asking me to stay on topic? Lol
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
Yes, that is in fact the point. Israel, cementing their occupation, drew an arbitrary line on a map and put a fence there. And you said "now you're speaking my language!"
BigTex88@reddit
Are you one of those that thinks that Israel has been “occupying” Palestine since 1947?
Stubbs94@reddit
Technically the annexations of territory after the Nakba would constitute occupations by Israel and Jordan of Palestinian territories. Israel has only existed as a settler-colonial state since 1948 though.
BigTex88@reddit
Ok have fun with your weird delusions
Crouteauxpommes@reddit
If an Irish citizen basing his argument on international law is delusional, I wonder what you are? Apart from a Texan chauvinist larping as a welshman
veilosa@reddit
should we kick out all the Irish who fled to the Americas as refugees then for "occupying our land"?
I'm asking, as someone of native descent.
pipboy1989@reddit
Ireland would sink if every Irish American was made to return
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
Maybe if the Welsh weren't so busy slobbering occupier dick, Wales wouldn't be England's bitch.
TaxLawKingGA@reddit
Calling out Israel's actions is not anti-Semitic. By that logic, what you said is Anti-Irish and racist, and may be even anti-Catholic.
See how that works?
riverboatcapn@reddit
You’re not Irish if you aren’t anti-Israel and pro-Hamas. It’s like the whole Irish country doesn’t know the difference between the IRA and Islamic fundamentalist terrorism
riverboatcapn@reddit
I think you just don’t know what Hamas is 😂
vuddehh@reddit
Doesnt seem to bother you when Russia does it, you're so eager to come and defend them no matter how many civilians they bomb, and how. Why is it problem to you when Israel does it?
VintageGriffin@reddit
I remain unbothered, nor do I have a problem. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy and disconnect between Israel's words and their actions.
But I also haven't seen Russia carpet bomb civilian blocks quite like Israel does either. It took Israel a few months to match and exceed the reported casualty numbers that took Russia several years of active, non-stop combat.
Empty-Development298@reddit
What did you think of the bucha Massacre in Ukraine?
wq1119@reddit
The Russia apologists that I stumble upon since 2022 say a variation of either:
It didn't happen, it was a MI6/CIA/NATO/NWO psyop.
It happened but those who were killed were Ukrainian soldiers in civilian uniforms pretending to be victims.
It happened and Ukrainians are Fascists/Nazis/Globalists who deserved it
But what about Iraq/Israel/Vietnam/(insert Western war crime here)?, copying the Zionist tactic of whataboutism.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Russia apologists use all the same rhetorical dishonesty Iran&proxies apologists use. Then again, there's a lot of overlap.
ShootmansNC@reddit
It's an official military doctrine of Israel so they can't even try to claim the victims are collateral damage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
vuddehh@reddit
Im not here to defend Israel, im here to point out the huge hypocrisy of u/WintageGriffin. He seems to have no problem with anything Russian do, how many civilians they murder, what kind of methods they use, nothing changes, he will be there to defend his dear leader.
ShootmansNC@reddit
His comment had nothing to do with Russia so you should just shut up, we don't care about your little feud with another redditor.
MCRN-Tachi158@reddit
Where are the Hamas facilities and infrastructure that Israel should strike?
Skyremmer102@reddit
Idk man, they still hit residential blocks and caused massive collateral damage. I think the concept of precision is alien to them.
bakochba@reddit
Iran didn't build tunnels underneath civilian buildings. It's military bases were actually separated from civilian infrastructure. Irans army wears a uniform, its acts like a conventional army
MasterDefibrillator@reddit
They blew up entire apartments as well.
SirStupidity@reddit
When it fights people who wear uniforms and build marked military bases it's much easier to hit soldiers and military bases
Racko20@reddit
Iran has military bases and facilities
SirStupidity@reddit
It's quite amazing how much Iran's capabilities have been degraded throughout the past two years. From controlling multiple countries in the middle east, threatening Israel's existence and getting closer to its gulf neighbors. It has reached to the depths of "survival" as the ultimate victory, just like it's proxies Hamas and Hezbollah keep harping on. The fact that the only way to suggest victory for Iran is that Iran exists displays how big of a defeat it has suffered
BendicantMias@reddit
They literally just have to carry out just one nuke test, and all your grand achievments will have amounted to nothing, with the overall goal having backfired. And you've now made that more likely than ever before. Ironically the biggest defense you have against that now is Khamenei's own reticence.
SirStupidity@reddit
And my grandma only needs a couple of wheels to go downhill faster than me.
While there's no doubt all of Iran's deterrence options have been either massively downgraded or pretty much destroyed and so nuclear seems like the only logical approach. It's also now no doubt that nuclear options will bring the swiftest action from Israel and the US and probably more western countries, with 0 to little options of defense or retaliation available for Iran.
I know you are creaming your pants for a dash to nuclear weapons from Iran, but as this own article states, the most likely scenario remains nuclear ambiguity, we shall have to see how much ambiguity the world allows Iran.
BendicantMias@reddit
What action lol? What are you going to do big guy? Bomb some more? Fat lot of good that'll achieve, after your bombings literally backfired. Invade them properly? Go ahead. If you have the guts. Or even the capability. No, you'll just cry to your Daddy America to do it. Which will be political suicide for Trump.
But on the flip side, them getting nukes (or even being suspected of having them ala 'nuclear ambiguity') will be a massive embarassment for both Netenyahu and Trump. So both will keep denying it, and deny any intelligence saying otherwise, which means they'll have nothing to react to either since they keep denying the reports. Which means Iran will get to keep said nukes. Which is still your loss. Alternately if he does decide to act, so as to avoid the embarassment of being the president who drove Iran to get nukes, he'll have no choice but to go in hard since apparently bombing didn't work. Which, as mentioned, will be political suicide. Yet another Middle East quagmire for America, and handing the world to China on a platter. Who isn't as indulgent of you as America is.
So no, even nuclear ambiguity is still your loss. As soon as intelligence reports or leaks come out suggesting they have nukes, which is something you couldn't prevent even for your own nuclear weapons, you'll again have lost out. They either keep those nukes, and the public knows you failed, or you invade to try taking them away (or for regime change) and Trumps' base collapses into revolt while China emerges triumphant without lifting a finger.
SirStupidity@reddit
Lol, tell me you huff Iranian copium without telling me your huffing Iranian copium... How exactly has it backfired? Because the regime survived? Just as impressive as Hamas surviving lmao. Because now they will dash towards the bomb? Let's see if that happens and let's see if they are capable in keeping any secret from the west, doesn't seem like it as of now.
God forbid your country has allies, Iran would never... I bet Iran's allies would be willing to help it if they weren't allies with the least loyal and most self interested countries in the world.
Lol, Israel has already stated that it will strike again if needed. You seem really embarrassingly devoid of any knowledge in Israeli politics if you think striking Iran after future indications of nuclear empowerment will be unpopular.
"30 bombs didn't completely obliterate decades of investment so bombing campaigns are completely useless" - your brilliant statement
Sure bud, as I've said its super impressive for Iran to survive after a 12 day war, really impressive victory. Really shows Iran's power, each one of it's neighbors and allies are probably looking at Iran and seeing a power house to be feared and respected.
Yeah I mean that tracks with reality completely. Israel isn't being supported by the vast majority of the west even though it's doing vastly unpopular things around the world. Iran is of course supported by the entire world, being loved by the biggest economic consumers and totally not being sanctioned to hell. And it's allies are helping it survive, not being it's oil in low prices because they can abuse Iran's weakened state.
You are genuinely so detached from reality because of your opinion on the countries involved it's quite sad.
BendicantMias@reddit
You didn't answer my question tough guy. What are you going to do? How are you going to win without invading them? If they make nukes, or are reporting to have done so, how are you going to undo that? You like to act tough, but you still got no answers. Btw, there've been far bigger strategic bombing campaigns, and they STILL failed - https://youtu.be/9_hwIuR8tjU?si=FrPrCDhXAuMUlspY It's been failing for a century now lol.
SirStupidity@reddit
If Iran manages to get nukes then yep, they "won". Now let's see if they are able to get nukes without Israel or western intelligence stopping or figuring it out and Israel or western armies bomb the living shit out of the program.
And of course if Iran doesn't get their ducks in a row in the next 2-3 months then the snapback will be triggered and they will be in even worse shit then they are now.
Lol. The likelihood of Israel ever invading Iran is very very low. The fact that you think invading is the only way for a military to get results is quite astounding on the other hand...
BendicantMias@reddit
Ah so nice of you to confirm that. :)
Lol you just did try that. Them getting it shows you weren't able to stop it. Weak!
Lol I said America earlier O Stupid one. Everyone knows you don't got what it takes for that.
The fact that you're blind to both a century of failure of strategic bombing campaigns, and also to the failure of this one if it results in them getting a nuke is what's really astounding.
You're again too afraid to say it. Very tellingly unwilling to take the risk of invading. All you can muster is to keep trying the same old air campaign, even if it fails to stop them. Cos you don't know what else to do - you're seemingly too scared to put your boots where that big mouth of yours is. It's not even Iran that's scaring you here, you're losing to the TALIBAN lol! They've made you so SCARED to ever set foot in another Middle East war. So pathetic.
The worlds' most powerful military - deathly traumatized by a bunch of guerillas lmao! That's what happens when you're all big talk. Your reputation is absolutely crucial. Next you'll go on about death tolls to try to shield yourself from the simple fact that you lost to the Taliban, embarrassingly so. You're not even scared of losing soldiers, you're terrified of embarrassing yourself again. Cos your big talk, your reputation, means everything to you.
You've shown your cowardice, your utter unwillingness to invade. We're done here. Coward.
historicusXIII@reddit
Oh, so we went from "Iran doesn't even have nuclear weapon program, so Israel doesn't need to attack" to "Iran just has to test one if its, apparently existing, nukes and Israel is defeated".
BendicantMias@reddit
It didn't have nukes as far as we know. You've just given them plenty of reason to get them, and the US' own intelligence reports say they still have the ability to do so. Some stuff happened in between you know, funny how you left that out. There is no contradiction - you changed things.
bob888w@reddit
Disclosure: Did not read the article. If you take the summary here at face value, doesn't that mean both sides come out of the exchange with what they want? As it points out, The US and Israel don't really care about the internal support of Iran, I would even suspect that too much volatility would be worse actually. I was under the impression that the US was trying to neuter the middle east issue to a point where its allies could deal with it while they pivot to Asia.
Additionally, Iran gets to live another day, and can continue pointing at a common enemy to push blame away from the regime. But it can't go establishing new cells and support structures as easily as before, I still think wiping out senior leadership has "some" effect on the smoothness of day to day operations.
IntelligentAd561@reddit
Iranian here. There is absolutely no rallying around the flag unless it's the good old right-wing extremists, but that is nothing new.
No Iranian whether anti-gov (like me) or pro-gov has ever liked the government of Israel and their ideologies. Israel's recent aggression only deepens our contempt for them, but make no mistake: it absolutely does not want me to "rally around the flag" of a murderous regime like Iran's.
Western news and media once again pushes an agenda filled with lies about the Iranian and Middle-Eastern people, instead of putting in the basic journalistic effort of reaching out and creating socio-political and cultural perspective.
Dark1000@reddit
The premise of this article makes no sense. The Iranian regime was not going anywhere. It didn't need or get a "new lease on life". It successfully crushed all internal push back against the government and had never been more stable, more in control. Use a little critical thinking.
BigTex88@reddit
I mean, this is just frankly fucking absurd. Iran got absolutely dad-dicked by Israel and the US and yet somehow we're getting "analysis" that they now have a new lease on life?
Fuck it, I don't care. They don't have the capability to make a bomb anymore so they can do whatever they want with their new lease. The next time they get close to a bomb, we'll just dad-dick them again.
Sooner or later they'll rise up and rid themselves of these meddlesome Islamic clerics and join the rest of the world in prosperity.
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
This is an embarrassing post dad-dicked? they kicked out IAEA inspectors the most important people holding back the nuclear program, what is this meathead logic?
BigTex88@reddit
Their nuclear enrichment facilities were rendered inoperable, their scientists were killed, a large number of their military leaders were assassinated, and the US and Israel suffered minimal if any actual military casualties. Sounds like a dad-dicking to me.
ShootmansNC@reddit
Provide some proof that isn't out of your ass.
BigTex88@reddit
You can use Google, I know it’s hard for retards but give it a shot. I believe in you buddy!
ShootmansNC@reddit
So you don't have proof.
Typical.
BendicantMias@reddit
The US' own intelligence reports threw cold water on that empty 'obliterated' claim, plus they already have enough material hidden away now for 9-10 bombs if they choose to make them. You've made a nuke more likely, not less
BigTex88@reddit
Ok sure
Positive-Vibes-All@reddit
No it reminds me of the vietnam era meathead thinking: "fewer casualties you win"
Their nuclear program is now unhindered, Mossad lost its playground, IAEA gone, hell it could even be argued that their top generals were corrupt and incompetent.
This was a stupid broadway play for stupid people.
TaxLawKingGA@reddit
Well your first statement is some what right but the second is wrong, and that is the problem. They can make a bomb and likely will. At which point, the U.S. and Israel will have to make a decision: accept it and get to the negotiating table, or invade and cause WWIII.
BendicantMias@reddit
Invading won't cause WW3. Cos it'll struggle to even get off the ground. Trumps' own base will revolt if he ever dares get the US involved in another ME quagmire. An invasion would destroy him.
TaxLawKingGA@reddit
I actually agree, but will Trump care? That is the real question. If he intends to remain POTUS and cancel elections, why does he care? If he is leaving office after this term, why does he care? Trump is definitely the sort of person who would leave the country a bag or turds just to spite us.
BigTex88@reddit
They can’t make one anymore, or at the very least they are massively pushed back from where they are. And again, if they get close, and waste a ton more money, we’ll just bomb them again.
They are now highly incentivized to agree to zero enrichment in return for sanctions relief. Or they can keep down the current path.
BendicantMias@reddit
Even the US' own intelligence reports say otherwise. You're just parroting Trumps' idiocy. And if you couldn't stop them before, what makes you think your bombs will magically have the extra power to do so next time? That's literally the deepest penetrator you have.
They are now highly incentivized to make you look like idiots playing with fire. They already made a deal in return for sanctions relief, you tore it up. And no one has forgotten that. Nor will they, if they make you look like idiots. It will be the ultimate humiliation of Trumps' childish foreign policy, and ALL of his critics will pile on him for it.
K31KT3@reddit
Tbf this piece is better than many:
Israel and US want Iranian regime change!
Uh no, that’d be cool for them but we just want them to stop building a bomb and are going to take action to do that now
Israel and US say they’ve stopped Iran from making a nuke, but failed in regime change! It’s a stunning victory for Iran!
Cool, anyways we’re normalizing relations with Syria.
Direct flights from NYC to Damascus coming soon baby! Inshallah!
BendicantMias@reddit
'Cept pretty much every article and expert says you've just made it more likely than ever that they'll build a bomb. And also that there'll be more global understanding for that choice than there would have been before.
BendicantMias@reddit
They have enough enriched material (408kg) for 9-10 bombs, and even the US' own intelligence reports say it likely didn't destroy their nuclear facilities so they can soon enrich more. And that's with the deepest penetrators the US has. In order words, you can't stop them getting a bomb if decide to do so, as you simply don't have the power. You can't win this war from the air, indeed that applies to most wars as it's been tried many times and keeps failing. Here, ye olde Battleplan episode about two far more comprehense strategic bombing campaigns, that still failed -
Strategic bombing isn't gonna get you the result you want. So if you really want to topple or stop them, you're going to need a proper ground invasion. Good luck with that lol! Trumps' own regime will collapse from the backlash.
BigTex88@reddit
Ok sure guy. Whatever you say.
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
best Zionist argument
BigTex88@reddit
When you’re so far to the left that you’re hating Jews, you should reevaluate your life.
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
Nobody said anything about Jews except you. I said Zionists. Equating Zionism, the believe that Israel, a religious settler state for Jews, should be built on top of another, oppressed people who constantly demanded their own state from imperial powers? That's definitely anti-semitic. To say "Jews and Zionists are the same such that anti-Zionism and anti-semitism are the same"? Not only assigns a political opinion to all Jews, it identifies Zionist Christians ("BigTex" should know all about Zio Christians) as Jewish.
You are an antisemitic asshole and for that reason, I believe violence against you is both funny and justified. Nazis ought to be stacked like sandbags, can we go back to those days?
BigTex88@reddit
Reported for threatening violence; have a nice day!
Statement_I_am_HK-47@reddit
No threat whatsoever. If you got a threat from that, anti-semite, you just might be a coward. All I said was that violence against anti-semites is both funny and justified. It is. Violence against you is both funny and justified.
Private_HughMan@reddit
If and when the ceasefire is broken, I'm about 80% sure it'll be Israel who strikes first. They know that they have the stronger air force and the US will back them no matter what. They don't want peace. They want dominance.
BendicantMias@reddit
What a fluffpost article. It keeps speaking in future tense ("Iran will"), yet only describes the present. There's basically no insight here, all the predictions are just empty 'analysis', really just a summary, simply of what's already the case. The writer is playing his words really close his chest, wanting to appear prescient without actually sticking his neck and risking being wrong. Is this what foreign policy 'experts' do? Are they the management consultants of the geopolitics world? For god's sake man, SAY SOMETHING! So many words, so little said. Even the Iranian regime he describes isn't as cagey as his article.
Aenjeprekemaluci@reddit
If you target civilian areas, use saboteurs too that do that. The only thing one achieves is galvanizing population behind the regime. It wasnt smart doing so as regime now steadfest. And not because its liked. Its due to foreign intervention being even less liked. Iranians have to do it themselves. Israel is also no friend either.
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