One game I don't know why

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Smurfsville@reddit

Obviously the PS5 has no exclusives anymore because they've all been ported to PC mostly, but isn't that a good thing? It shouldn't be in detriment of the console to port its exclusives to PC. It doesn't mean "it has no games", it means they ported them to PC so you can enjoy them for free.

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ultimatepepechu@reddit

Its a good thing for PC users and for the market in general, but its not a good thing for PSs bussiness model or the people buying PS5 (even if a lot of them dont care yet)

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Smurfsville@reddit

I still don't get the argument that this is bad for the PS5. Surely better software sales across the board leads to more and better games? God of War Ragnarok could forever remain locked inside the prison of the PS5 or it could sell a gazillion copies on steam and then GoW6 will have a bigger, better budget. Or Sony will just release Astrobot 2 or, I don't know.

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ultimatepepechu@reddit

On the long run, its not ideal for a console to not have any exclusive games. Then again, some people dont care and its ok.

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Smurfsville@reddit

I don't understand this argument, though. Why is it not ideal?

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ultimatepepechu@reddit

Because a console loses some of its purpose if you can play everything it can offer in a PC (consoles had a TON of exclusives in the past). Of course, a console is generally cheaper and more plug&play, but more and more people are familiarized with PCs nowdays. PCs are getting cheaper games (sometines free by pirating), all the games you could think of (thanks to steam and emulation) plus its also a PC you can use as a PC. In summary, "why would i buy a console if i can already play all the games in my PC?". Of course sometimes this is a cope by people that have a PC less powerful than a current gen console and cant in fact "play all the games", but sometimes its true or they are interested in playing older games.

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hapyjohn1997@reddit

Its actually extremely rare to have a PC weaker than a console. To put it into perspective every time a new console drops its usually the equivalent of a 5-8 year old gaming PC. So unless your like my buddy who only upgrades when things actually break which takes more than 10 years often times you will be fine.

The advantage of consoles is

Uniformity. Its easier to optimize games if everyone is using the same hardware.
Price. Usually consoles are a couple hundred bucks cheaper than a mid range gaming PC so its a budget option that also appeals to casual gamers. My starter mid range gaming tower cost me 850 USD for 250 USD less you could get a Play Station or Xbox.

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gman8686@reddit

All I'm hearing is it's bad for people that want to justify buying a console to themselves/their spouse

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ChangingMonkfish@reddit

I won’t go into too much of a rant here, but the unique I/O architecture of the PS5 (particularly the custom hardware decompression) means that (in my opinion), PS5 games ARE held back if they’re developed with PC in mind as well, because even a PC can’t move data between it’s SSD and RAM as fast as a PS5 can.

I’m sure some people will find the suggestion that a PS5 can be held back at all by a god-tier PC utterly preposterous, but it’s about more than just CPU and GPU performance.

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Demistr@reddit

That's just not true. Ps5 is the thing holding PC games back. PC has an answer to everything ps5 can do.

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ChangingMonkfish@reddit

I disagree, it’s tempting to say “whatever a console can do a PC can obviously do better” but the problem with PCs is that they hold themselves back because games have to support a huge range of hardware configurations.

So yes, technically you can get a PC SSD that has a read speed of 14GB/s that could technically brute-force its way to matching the PS5’s pipeline, but the point is developers can’t build a game in a way they REQUIRES a 14GB/s SSD, it has to be able to work on slower storage that many many other PC owners still have (indeed they often still need to support HDDs). That puts a limit on the fundamental design of the game, a limit that isn’t there for the PS5 because every PS5 has the same storage and I/O architecture.

But to fully exploit it, the game has to be literally PS5 exclusive - no PS4 support, no realistic PC support and no Xbox support if they want to REALLY exploit the PS5’s unique architecture. No one seems to be prepared to do that.

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Smurfsville@reddit

I mean, yeh but... this isn't 2008 and the PS5 isn't the PS3. Unreal Engine is a thing that exists now.

I don't have enough technical knowledge to know for certain if FFVII Rebirth would have performed better if they hadn't developed it with the PC port in mind but to me it already looks amazing. Do you think it could have looked better? Wouldn't that decision have required a new engine?

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NsaLeader@reddit

It's amazing that 10 years ago everyone was saying console exclusives were bad and that all games should be available to play on all systems. People still ask for Bloodborne on PC today.

Now that PlayStation has disregarded the exclusiveness and released their games to other platforms, suddenly everyone wants exclusives again, and PS5 "has no games".

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Bright_Beat_5981@reddit

Obviously the PS5 has no exclusives anymore because they've all been ported to PC mostly, but isn't that a good thing?

This greentext doesn't even cover that. As a Ps5 owner you get a lot of games that Xbox and Switch 2 don't. So you get console exclusives.

Plus the whole thing that less third party games are exclusives and I agree that should be a good thing. Back in the day Resident evil and Tekken were Ps1 exclusives, I don't care if you can play that on a PC and Xbox as well.

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Immortal_Merlin@reddit

It costs more than my pc like 2 times and can do like two things.

And one of them is running games, but it has much less games than pc can run or emulate. So question: why would you handicap yourself?

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Smurfsville@reddit

To answer your second question: When I was living in Mexico, I had a big apartment with a dedicated room for my gaming PC. Now that I'm living in Japan, my apartment is 1/3 the size and I have to be smart with my space. A PS5 takes up the size of a shoebox in my living room, and I do all my work from a laptop now. My only "desk" is the table where I eat. My massive gaming rig is a thing of the past.

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Smurfsville@reddit

If you bought a gaming PC for half the price of a PS5 then you, my friend, are GOATED and have nothing to say.

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JohhnySins69_420@reddit

I agree on what you say but brother what games are you playing with a 200 euro PC?

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The_Freshmaker@reddit

What's in OP's brain?

Nothing.

Nothing?

Nothing.

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FirmlyDistressed@reddit

I don't understand this, I have so many games on my PS5 that I have so much fun with. Is Elden ring less fun because it released on PS4 with worse graphics?

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The_Freshmaker@reddit

OP is just a highly regarded capital G Gamer.

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hapyjohn1997@reddit

The problem is anything the PlayStation does not fill a niche. Back in they day they relied on console exclusives but modern gaming is moving away from that and moving towards cross platform games.

Anything you can play on a Play Station can for the most part be played on Xbox or PC nowadays so why get a Play Station in particular? Especially since Microsoft the owners of Xbox do it so much better by making their Xbox run a modified windows operating system?

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PhilBeTrippin@reddit

Playstation unlike Xbox still does have console exclusives. Even if most of them hit pc immediately or eventually. Xbox doesn't do anything better then Playstation. Xbox has shut down countless studios, laid off countless employees, cancelled countless games, made no effort with portable or vr, instead choosing to simply put Xbox branding on existing hardware, and put literally no effort into any exclusives. They are truly aiming to make the games industry effortless and turn it into a "own nothing ever and pay monthly for it" system. I think gamepass is a good deal and it's a plus in many ways. But it's literally the only thing they focus on. On top of all of this they took their console that no one is buying (because there is legitimately no reason to have an Xbox anymore, because actually everything made by them goes immediately to pc) and raised the price on it by 130 dollars. They saw nintendo raise the price of games and assumed they could do it too. Actually braindead activity going on at Xbox. Microsoft has done poorly as a console and games creator for over 10 years. And it's because of all the things they keep doing. Its sad really. Watching Ps only competition become dogshit.

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hapyjohn1997@reddit

Console exclusives ARE A BAD THING. You are literally limiting the number of people you can sell your product too by doing so. Microsoft realized this and is in the process of removing any such restrictions.

Microsoft also doesn't have to put in effort for handhelds as its already done for them their operating system is basically used in everything. I have Windows on my Steam Deck. Same thing with VR as VR is mostly a PC thing anyways.

Also the reason to have a Xbox is simple. Its the budget option its for casual gamers or for people who cant afford a gaming PC. Meanwhile its easier to port games to Xbox as stated because it uses a modified Windows OS which is pretty much universal than it is to port a game to Play Station because it has proprietary OS.

Lastly Play Station is not competing with Xbox. To put it into perspective Microsoft the company that owns Xbox is ranked 2nd by market share in the entire world above Apple Amazon and Google. Meanwhile Sony who owns Play Station is ranked all the way down at 108th place.

This isn't a competition between kids these are businesses whose goal is to make money and Microsoft blows Sony out of the water.

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PhilBeTrippin@reddit

L take. Mad cope and seeth. It isn't easier to port stuff to xbox for one. A good example is Baldurs gate 3. The reason it kept getting pushed back on xbox is because they had trouble making it work for both versions of the xbox. Becuase only one version of their console is up to current generation power. The series s is literally less powerful the the xbox one x. Yeah there's your budget option, a console thats current Gen thats less powerful then last Gen. Makes sense to me /s. Mean while, like I said, clearly you didn't read what I had said, xbox raised the price of the not selling series x by 130 dollars. So much for budget option. Also console exclusives arent a bad thing. They drive competition. They drive game companies to make better games. Xbox didn't "realize" that they are bad. They started porting everything to their competitors because they arent making money on their games. Again on the ones that come out. And the ones that are decent. Which have been fewer and fewer every year since the 360. Or the ones that arent cancelled, or have their studios shut down for no reason. Obviously when your OS is on everything in the world then your going to be a successful company. This isn't about Microsoft vs Sony. This is about Playstation vs Xbox. And Playstation absolutely shits all over xbox. And it's not even close. The ps4 is the fifth highest selling console of all time. Xbox one is 15th. 117 million vs 58 million. The ps5 is currently 12th with 77 million xbox series is 20th with 28 million. Console exclusives "are a bad thing" if you want to maximize profit and make your whole games company about never owning anything and paying monthly for it. Ive already praised game pass. Its a good thing. But thats all that the shit xbox division cares about. You should be mad xbox puts no effort into everything. You should be mad that instead of making a portable and vr like they've been promising for years, they slapped a sticker on already existing stuff.

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hapyjohn1997@reddit

I don't even play Xbox I'm PC.
Its not Play Station VS Xbox its gaming company vs gaming company. Play Station is only into console gaming PC games take a back seat to them and thus you have situations where you have to wait a extra year to play stuff like GTA.
Xbox now supports Steam. That means Xbox players get access to all of Steams deals.

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Heavy_Equivalent6747@reddit

Psyop

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HikikomoriReformed@reddit

My coworker (silver rank, Ps5) invited me (celestial rank, PC) to play Marvel Rivals and the whole time the console lobbies were easy af in comparison to the giga sweats you normally queue against on pc.

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DontYouWantMeBebe@reddit

Well yeah, playing with a mouse is miles easier

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guiltyspaekle@reddit

Well not "easier" exactly. Just a higher skill ceiling. If we judge how "easy" it is using things like accessibility and intuition, then controller wins by far over MKB. Just a skill ceiling difference

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Iodolaway@reddit

☝️🤓

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ZenPyx@reddit

Aksually, the microsoft kinect™ is the most intuitive and easiest controller to use of them all, so if we're talking about "easy", one must consider kinect™ star wars™ the easiest game to control of them all

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Shannontheranga@reddit

Not with modern aim assist. Controller are basically aimbots now days with how much aim assist they get in most popular multiplayer games. They far exceed the average mouse and keyboard output.

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noah9942@reddit

This is massive cope from any shifty KB+M players. Good KBM players always dominate controller players.

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Shannontheranga@reddit

Yeah good ones absolutely. I'm talking about average everyday players. The top 10% m&k will always outperform the top 10% controller. But that 90% is heavily favored to the console players.

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noah9942@reddit

Again, hard disagree there.

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Shannontheranga@reddit

You're just wrong then lol. There is so much data on it it's crazy.

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HeyThatsHawk@reddit

Depends on the game tho. I know apex most people play with a controller since the game has pretty good aim assist. Marvel rivals tho mouse and keyboard dominates

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Turok7777@reddit

This is what PC nerds have had to tell themselves once they figured out that they're not anywhere near as good at KB+M shooters as they thought they were.

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Shannontheranga@reddit

Let's be clear I play on controller. I'm not on m&k. It's so op it's not even funny. I beat all my PC friends and many of them have swapped to controller and immediately saw rank increases.

It's insanely overtunned.

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