My statement: fermented drinks are often bad if other organisms besides the yeast contaminate the process
Your reply: What about Lambics?
MY POINT: Lambic fermentation still involves a monoculture (of yeast). It's just a wild yeast from the fruit, rather than a brewer's yeast added to the must. If you try to make a Lambic and some other bacteria or fungus starts growing alongside your wild yeast, you're likely to get off flavors.
From an outsider's perspective, manicured lawns are the stupest shit ever. You are putting in a considerable amount of work to make your garden space as flat and monotone as possible.
Makes sense lawns were invented by the British and are favored by WASP suburban Americans. It is the blandest, most flavorless form of gardening.
Not to mention it is a complete ecological dead zone with no food or shelter for insects. Then people complain that they have no more fireflies or songbirds left
I own eight acres, most of which is meadow, which means I have lots of insects. I still keep the 1/2 acre around my house mowed, because insects aren't all that great near living spaces. There are many insects that you don't want to foster near your house, and that certainly includes ticks, ants, wasps, and hornets. While I get the love for nature's ecology, I also understand the need for a certain degree of sterility near places in which people live. There are legitimate tradeoffs in deciding whether to have a manicured lawn or a wild meadow, and it's not unthinkingly stupid to want a lawn around your house to prevent undesirable insects from living in close proximity.
I mean it does depend on your house and what kind of lifestyle you have. My house is fairly new and well designed against ants and termites, so our plant garden extends to right below our windows with the only lawn being a small path through the various garden patches. I totally understand the interest in a buffer zone for people with older homes or who want to be able to play sports and things at home, especially where there aren't public parks closely available. It's just that some homeowners have such paralyzing fears over insects that they cannot stand the thought of any nearby meadow space and mow it all down— kudos to you for getting the difference and having so much wild space in a place where it won't negatively affect your home.
Are invasive plants a big issue where you live? How do you maintain eight acres and keep native plants from being smothered?
Johnson grass and crab grass are big issues, so I maintain by adding organic fertilizer during cool season emergence, reseeding with native seeds during dormancy, and herbicide on Johnson grass, then digging rhizomes when the ground is soft. I will mow in the late fall sometimes and dethatch to ensure proper seed contact for native growth.
We must also consider the local fauna in this equation. My grandparents that live in a Romanian village have a well kempt, but still a little wild layer of vegetation around their house. Grape vine, flower garden, various fruit trees and bushes, and the house itself is half-covered in vine-like plants.
There are plenty of insects, but the only bothersome ones in the area are hornets. They sometimes make hives around the house or on the house. Besides those, they do still have a bunch of insects around, like moths, night butterflies, fireflies, etc.
If I knew there were ticks, or other very annoying or dangerous insects, I too would make sure they can't breed close to my house.
In the particular context of the US, ticks carry Lyme disease, and many people are deathly allergic to stinging insects. I don't think most Americans hate plants (per se), and most Americans are probably indifferent to most insects, but for most Americans, maintaining a closely trimmed lawn is the simplest way to manage insect risk.
I mean that sounds a bit nice because it means you can sit in your lawn without worrying about insects climbing on you, right?
I would still have a traditional European lawn(with various kinds of plants, some wild flowers, some weeds) because it looks more interesting and I wouldn't sit there much anyways, but I can see the appeal of taking a nap in a field of insect-less grass.
Well it depends. I've gotten plenty of ticks from the manicured county fairgrounds lawn, and all soil has some degree of insect and microbial life in order to support plant roots. As long as you are outside and the earth is not a desolate hellscape, there will always be some critters in the dirt. If you don't want them touching you (and you don't want the dirt getting on you and your stuff), consider a picnic blanket.
The issue with lawns is that they're incredibly hostile to things like caterpillars, which need actual leaves (and often very specific ones— Google host plants for more info) in order to survive. Caterpillars are like the secret diet that is crucial for bigger animals like birds, whose babies love them because they're loaded with protein and don't have hard choking hazard shells. This means that if all you have is flat lawn and a few ornamental trees, your caterpillar population— and bird population— plummet.
Not to mention the obsession with cleaning away leaves and dead plant matter in the fall, which are where a lot of insects go to hibernate through the winter. I know insects freak people out sometimes, but as long as you reap the benefits of their services to the environment and to agriculture, you kinda have no choice but to tolerate them.
Where I live, you don't have a choice. I would very much like to have a more natural space around my house. It's against the neighborhood covenants, and the Town ordinances.
turf is wanted to do things on. you dont want to walk over dirt and get all muddied. however, most people dont use their lawns any more so the need for a manicured turf is less.
Huh, I thought it's origins had more to do with places is Britain naturally looking like that when grazed by the animals they raised rather then some inherent racial defect in white people.
I feel like it depends. I follow a guy called Peter O'Mahoney (Irish pro rugby player but his real passion is gardening). He has a huge garden at the back of his house with every type of flower, shrub, tree you can imagine, but he also an an immaculate patch of grass that he maintains as well. I feel like this is a good balance.
Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestants. White Anglo-Saxon Protestants is a common misnomer, but Anglo-Saxon implies whiteness (and excludes quite a few 'white' ethnicities), and nobody living in trailers is usually considered a WASP, so it's clear that Wealth is important to being a WASP.
I remember visiting the US for the first time and noticing how much of these lawns were around. Like Im in a desert near LA, do you REALLY have to have a lawn? Not like water is scarce or anything right?
My lawn is a fantastic mix of 20% grass, 10% clover, 10% some kind of vine and 70% dandelions, thistles, ant colonies and dog poop from the stupid old man that let's his off leash dog poop all over my yard.
who the fuck is mowing their yard every three days. I mow mine once a week during the heaviest growth season and the clovers that get mowed are back making more tiny clovers within a couple days.
I live in a country where clover is very much standard in a lawn. Greener with more insects and also more random flowers popping up everywhere. Mostly dandelions though cause of how they spread. There's also often moss patches here and there.
In America I imagine you can use a native alternative to Clover since Clover iirc isn't a native species. But I'm far from an expert so do what you will with that. Clover is prolly a better alternative than pure mono grass. But if you're ecologically inclined do some research first. With the risk of sounding defeatist I imagine clover is probably not gonna go away from American nature any time soon so you probably may not need to care too much about that.
We have plenty of native clovers in America. European white clover is also considered naturalized here. You don't even need to plant clover. Just leave an empty plot of land, and clover will show up in most places.
I’ve over the course of a few years been converting my lawn to mostly clover. There’s large spots I basically don’t need to mow that I also have some wildflowers for the bees and my lawn looks significantly better than my neighbors other than the guy who literally wastes time every day watering and feeding his lawn when I mow like every 2-3 weeks lmao
I read something about this awhile back and how it makes it that you almost never have to mow your lawn because clovers dont grow tall like grass. Always thought when I own a home im definitely doing that because im lazy af and hate doing yard work (or any work lol)
They'll still get pretty bushy if you let them go long enough but there are special varieties of micro clovers that stay small and never get beyond what a regular mowed yard looks like. Personally I like the big crimson and white clovers anyways though, and when you do mow them they just kinda start over quickly, nbd.
Grass and clover don't need digging. If you have lots of weeds you should dig them out, rake it then scatter your seeds and cover with straw or lawn clippings.
It's also a good time to spread compost before you sprinkle the seed.
Check out frost seeding. This is a method farmers use in the early spring to add seed to a field that already has existing grass roots existing.
The problem with going out into your yard now, in July, is your new clover seeds will need to compete with already mature grasses that have established root systems and will dominate receiving sunlight. It can still be done but you need to "shock" the current existing grass in order for you new clover seeds to have a chance at growing.
In frost seeding, provided you live in an area where there is a thaw and freeze in early spring, your new clover seed will compete with other new grass growth as all grasses are competing for dominance.
It's not really so much replacing the grass as it is competing with it and claiming the spaces it fails in. It's not the best time of year to try, but at the beginning and end of the summer (late September/mid March) you should toss a few handfuls around.
You don't need to dig it up, at least not all the way. If you've ever seen brand new lawns from seed, it's usually done with some straw held down by plastic netting. This works, but the plastic netting will tear and get all over the place. Scattering seeds will also work, but it's not guaranteed as they can blow around.
The best method is probably to take one of those metal bladed rake type tools which breaks up the soil just enough for seeds to get in, like a mini plow. If you don't have one, your neighbors probably do. It'll naturally clean itself up again
I killed my grass as much as possible by letting the chickens and ducks we had go crazy on it during the winter, then seeding the whole yard with clover. Didn't really work though, the grass still grew back but at least the clover took hold in several areas and now I have a couple of nice all clover patches while the rest has clover sprinkled throughout. You can kill grass with tarps and weights on top I hear though.
Yes! Same! I scatter clover seeds every year and every year my lawn has less and less grass, it's awesome. Now it's almost full of dog violets, morning glories, mint, white clover, and crimson clover. I'm going to plant more mint soon too because mowing mint smells great lol. I never water, I mow 1-2 times a month, and I'm hoping in the future I can get it down to maybe once every month or two on mowing.
Clover is a weed. It shows up naturally if you just do nothing. We started using herbicides to kill weeds. Those also kill clover. Clover was lost in the pursuit of the "perfect" lawn. In my opinion, needless use of poison is stupid, and lawns look good regardless of what's growing there. Yet another example of humans creating their own problems.
It's most likely removed because manicured lawns eventually become taken over by clover patches. Which people tend to hate because it does look like shit.
So when they were formulating a weed killer that wouldn't kill the grass, they discovered it killed the clover, so the lawn companies simply decided clover wasn't part of lawn cover anymore.
Nah man, when you're walking on a lawn of 100% genuine clover laying flat on its own it looks and feels luscious. Stayed at a place that had this a couple of months ago and it was lovely.
Or clover is just good at spreading naturally and can grow in the same types of soil that we grow grass in.
I always have crab grass on my lawn. Does that mean that there some kind of conspiracy that grass seed companies are purposefully putting crab grass on my lawn?
Fascinating to see people writing some relevant facts and then at various points they turn around and jump off the diving board to to their loony conspiracy angle.
It's wild that if only Anon replaced "jews" with "billionaires" this entire post wouldn't be considered looney Nazi nuttery and instead be 100% correct.
Same companies that own seeds, also own fertilizer, sprinklers etc.
Clovers sort of help do the job of those things naturally, so having clovers in your grass seed packs means people won't need sprinklers/fertilizer as much.
Removing clovers mean they do need the fertilizer/sprinklers so the company gets money from both seeds and fertilizer/sprinklers.
It’s simpler than that. Most modern lawn treatments use broad-leaf herbicides. Those happen to kill clover. Why put seed for something your lawn treatments kills in your lawn seed mix?
Almost every bag of lawn fertilizer and lawn care product has weed killer in it. Even overseed usually has something to keep down weeds. Just because you don’t read the bag doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Yep, our lawn would yellow every summer and then the driest patches would die out, leaving only dirt which turned in to dust and later mud when it finally rained (which the dog would track in the house).
We seeded clover, and now our lawn is lush, the soil remains moist even in the driest part of the summer and the dog loves lying in the clover because it actually feels cooler when you step on it.
I fucking hate monocultured lawns. Your lawn is not a fairway, Michael.
Tbh, the more time goes by the more I think that Oakham razor is becoming obsolete. In such a case, you could say that anon is becoming crazy but such behaviors from companies feel like the norm today. No one wants to make something good or improve society. They want a way to make more money at the expense of everything else. They would get slaves if they could
Just want to piggyback on this though and to say that this is not an excuse to give mothers who can’t produce their own breast milk any shit. Two things can be true at the same time. Formula is a Godsend that has drastically lowered infant mortality, but also Nestle is an incredibly evil company
I mean, the development of post juvenile lactose tolerance in humans was somewhat a byproduct of natural selection, so kind of?
Being able to drink booby juice from cows just happened to be a beneficial enough trait for long enough that something like 40% of all humans retain the enzymes to digest it in adulthood. A newer mutation for sure since it happened post animal husbandry, but "natural" nonetheless.
lactose intolerance is caused by the lack of lactase, an enzyme that can break down the lactose molecules present in all kinds of milk.
having said that, we're able to drink cow milk for survival reasons, but that doesn't mean that it's optimized for human babies. in fact, I'm pretty sure that a human baby would die if given only cow milk. on the other hand, a baby cow finds all needed nutrition there to grow into a strong and healthy cow... well, until the moment it's prematurely separated from the mother to be sent to slaughter because we find baby cows delicious.
Like the others are saying, breast milk. You can find documentaries about the crisis Nestle ended up causing, but basically what ended up happening (from my memory) was that, like esssssto said, Nestle lied their asses off, claiming that their shitty baby formula was nutritionaly better than breast milk, which was unfortunately quite effective in poorer nations, such as nations in West Africa.
They even hired phony doctors to "prescribe" their formula to lactating mothers just long enough for them to stop lactating, while their baby literally suffered nutritional deficiencies and either grew up weakened or, in worse cases, straight up withered away.
Long story short, fuck Nestle all the way to hell. That's only one of the literal humanitarian crises that the corporation has caused.
And these women didnt have access to clean water, and mixed formula with dirty water, which killed a lot of babies. IIRC, Nestle told to women that they could use any water with the formula and didnt say it had to be clean.
Human breast milk, yeah. It's not that powdered milk (baby formula) is bad, but unless it's the only way posible, It should be complementary, not instead of the main thing.
Male humans can produce viable breast milk as well, it's just rare. There are a few historical reports of it happening as well as a report of it happening in 2002 in Sri Lanka.
I remember some guy posting maybe ten years ago about training his body to produce breast milk, but he was using hormones to help iirc
Alex Jones’s “frogs turning gay” rant was based in some truth also, IIRC there was a pesticide that was causing hermaphroditism in frogs. But Jones et al prefer to spin this as a grand conspiracy to undermine traditional sexuality instead of the simple fact that it’s just cheaper to make harmful pesticides.
And in those third world countries, they encouraged woman to stop breastfeeding, taking advantage of the fact that poorly educated women didn't know they would stop lactating and thus be 100% reliant on formula.
Btw the company behind Chiquita bananas successfully backed a military coup to overthrow a foreign government for the sake of profit.
That freak CEO of Nestle also said water isn't a human right. I can't wait for these old corrupt fucks to die, imagine being comparable to a fucking cartoon villain because of how over the top evil you are.
It’s actually more to do with herbicide. Clover used to be ground cover seed for lawns until they invented broad leaf herbicide. Unfortunately, it also targets clover.
Instead of trying to make a better herbicide, big chem went on a smear campaign that labeled clover as a weed.
Honest question because I read several of these comments: do people in the US just spray herbicide on their fucking lawn to kill every plant except for the grass?
Clover probably was a brighter green because it’s a legume that can fix its own Nitrogen rather than rely on fertilizers and other supplemental nitrate sources.
"Weed n Feed" has some of the most positive PR when it comes to herbicides but it's arguably much worse than Roundup and glyphosate. 2,4-D messes up a lot of dogs. People overapply Weed n Feed like crazy, not realizing the "safe" aspect of herbicides goes away when you overapply the chemical.
It’s mostly true. The reason is different however. People just think they want straight grass without clovers and stuff and the market followed. If one does have the right soil and fertilizer; grass can work fine on its own but it’s hard to do and even requires blatant luck. The vast majority of people who have a lawn to manage are better off mixing their grass with clovers and stuff like it.
Add warm season native grass to your seed mix. Little blue stem and such. This helps the environment and you get green and nice blue color in the warmer months
I'm one of the few folks in town who get all sorts of interesting bugs, including many fireflies, because I neither bother with fetlizer or weed killing products. Also helps I don't mow it stupid short and only mow it when the town starts to get antsy about the height.
Yeah, yeah! My dad could explain the science better than I could, because he works in agriculture and soil and water conservation, but I think it has to do with the nutrient levels in the soil. Clover and other cover crops help with the balance of things like nitrogen and potassium and things like that, and that makes other plants grow better.
Yes, one thing on 4chan was right, so that must surely mean everything on 4chan is right. I swear, Anons make 1 good point and then immediately take whatever goodwill it may have earned them & suffocate it with a fuckin' pillow.
It’s not the flower it’s the rest of the plant. It’s big, the leaves are ugly, and it kills nearby plants. When it eventually withers away it leaves dead patches
This is so interesting to see as a European. I've realized while reading comments that Americans use fertilizer for their lawn. That is so wild to me because we'd only use fertilizer for gardens, when you have fruit plants or flowers that need it. Grass and other random wild plants grow on their own like crazy, but that is no longer the case when you only want grass, I suppose, because it is a monoculture.
I’m all for laughing at burgers but there’s a shitton of us euros who are utterly obsessed with their shitty fertilized, robo-mower death zone, aka lawn.
Maybe, but I'm Eastern European and I've only seen maybe 2 or 3 American style lawns. Granted, we are generally poorer than Westerners so it might be more of a thing in countries like the UK, Germany and the Netherlands.
Clovers have nodules in their roots that contains a bacteria that distributes nitrogen into the soil which is vital for plant growth. Farmers often mix clover seeds with grass seeds for grazing
At various times of the year, some grasses will be less green than they usually are. Lack of precipitation, excessive heat, and cold weather are typical culprits.
In some locations you can choose a cultivar of grass which is green all year round, but does not handle drought or 12+ hours of intense sun very well.
So if you have brutal summers and no shade, Bermuda grass might be a great choice even though it goes dormant (yellow) in late October/early November through late April. If you have abundant shade for your lawn and don’t mind regular watering, Tall Fescue or Kentucky Bluegrass might be more what you’re looking for.
Clover was a very prominent nitrogen fixer in european agriculture for hundreds of years. Having clover planted along side another plant is almost always a good thing.
My yard has creeping violet almost everywhere and I love it, it looks nice and you don't even have to mow it. I get nothing but unsolicited advice from my neighbor about how to """fix""" my grass but I like my creeping violet. I have a privacy fence so he doesn't have to see my yard at all but the fact that it's not grass infuriates him for some reason
My dad's lawn is perpetually awful, he could never get it looking right despite how hard he tried and a few years ago he simply gave up. We still mow it, but thats all now. No weedkiller, no grass seeds, no nothing.
It's never looked better.
I actually see this. My backyard was fucked up cause heat and dog piss. I randomly threw some clovers in the dead zones and now those parts are doing great.
I've pioneered my own brand of zeroscaping that takes advantage of the high number of empty liquor bottles and various trash in my yard to create a harmonious and ecologically-friendly tapestry that brings peace and balance to my yard.
Clover is a legume which fixes nitrogen in the soil for plants. Pretty badass actually and makes it a great addition to gardens and lawns. Might not be uniform but it stays damn green!
Dunno why people act surprised when our entire economic system is built around this. Capitalism requires constant growth. You don't get constant growth if customers don't need to rebuy your product constantly. Ergo, you make your product worse/reduce longevity and know that people will still buy your product because the entire market operates on the same scheme.
There is no conspiracy, it's simply how our species has decided the world should work.
ive got clovers in my lawn, while they are fucking annoying because the texture change from regular grass to that antagonizing my autism, it is basically green year round and doesnt grow much taller than it currently is. Which isnt tall enough for my hoa to get into my ass hole.
we probably will. My wife really likes it, and im pussy whipped so. Just a matter of having the time and being caught up on everything. Too much shit to do
Tequila_Sunset_Disco@reddit
Very true, monoculture lawns are garbage
Mickamehameha@reddit
monoculture everything is garbage
Cultural-Company282@reddit
I personally don't like other types of fungus colonizing my beer alongside the yeast.
Little_Weird2039@reddit
Many beers get their distinct taste due to other micro organisms beside the added yeast, though
Consistent-Throat130@reddit
I'm aware of this and still agree with the other guy. It is rare (not never) that I find it pleasant in beer.
ArbitraryMeritocracy@reddit
Lambics are famous for this approach.
Cultural-Company282@reddit
Lambics just use wild yeasts for fermentation.
ArbitraryMeritocracy@reddit
ME: Lambics are famous for this approach.
I don't understand your point, I thought this was established.
Cultural-Company282@reddit
Original premise: monocultures are bad
My statement: fermented drinks are often bad if other organisms besides the yeast contaminate the process
Your reply: What about Lambics?
MY POINT: Lambic fermentation still involves a monoculture (of yeast). It's just a wild yeast from the fruit, rather than a brewer's yeast added to the must. If you try to make a Lambic and some other bacteria or fungus starts growing alongside your wild yeast, you're likely to get off flavors.
ArbitraryMeritocracy@reddit
Incorrect premise. Please forgive me if there was a miscommunication.
Cultural-Company282@reddit
So we agree that the comment I was relying to:
is not always correct?
MisterGoo@reddit
As any fermented food, that’s why all breads, cheese and sakes don’t taste the same.
Old-Post-3639@reddit
I personally enjoy when Amanita muscaria does, though.
GenericUsername2034@reddit
Trippy beer?! Trippy Beer....Trippy Beer!
ambermage@reddit
This is true.
That's why interracial porn is superior.
icabax@reddit
Hmm, this comment thread will certainly be nice and civil
Mickamehameha@reddit
what have I done
VeaR-@reddit
Lawns are garbage. Don't @me
rudbek-of-rudbek@reddit
Germany didn't think so once upon a time. Didn't work out so well for them
lil-huso@reddit
Now they hate the idea of monoculture so much, they try to become without their own culture
2Rome4Carthage@reddit
Except countries
heyderehayden@reddit
Found the white supremacist
2Rome4Carthage@reddit
Why would you assume im white? Japan is doing great by being monocultural. Youre just racist against white people.
Ritchuck@reddit
2Rome4Carthage@reddit
You can make such a comment for any and every country
WillSellOutForKarma@reddit
Yeah but their justice system gets a 99% conviction rate, so it must be paradise.
heyderehayden@reddit
LMFAO you better your ass I am. But if it's validated by every white person I meet, is it really racism or am I just recognizing patterns?
AbIaZoLUTEMadMaN28@reddit
Nobody is born racist. They are made that way.
Prestigious-Fig1172@reddit
See, I love chocolate, kidney beans and soap. But I would not mix them together and eat it.
heyderehayden@reddit
Wild to have a dark skinned avatar and be advocating for ethnostates but you do you I guess
bad_gaming_chair_@reddit
You sound more like, I like granny smith, pink lady, and Fiji apples, but I wouldn't put them in the same fruit salad
Guglielmowhisper@reddit
You can tolerate subcultures healthily provided they never amount to more than 5% or so.
Vall3y@reddit
you got downvoted because 5% is also not acceptable
2Rome4Carthage@reddit
True
AychB@reddit
Comfortable-Cry8165@reddit
Why do you want Kosovo then? Wouldn't it make Serbia more mixed?
2Rome4Carthage@reddit
Better =\= only option. Just because thing is worse than ideal, it shouldnt be thrown away. Thats a stupid way to look at things.
AdeptusShitpostus@reddit
Personally, as a British Absentee Landlord, potato monocultures are quite cool.
Dairyman00111@reddit
That's insane, coming from such a huge weeb as you
Designated_Lurker_32@reddit
From an outsider's perspective, manicured lawns are the stupest shit ever. You are putting in a considerable amount of work to make your garden space as flat and monotone as possible.
Makes sense lawns were invented by the British and are favored by WASP suburban Americans. It is the blandest, most flavorless form of gardening.
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Not to mention it is a complete ecological dead zone with no food or shelter for insects. Then people complain that they have no more fireflies or songbirds left
Hooded_Stranger@reddit
“Warning: entering Ecological Dead Zone. Adding report to databank.”
yeetusthefeetus13@reddit
And just like in subnautica i am turning the fuck around
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
too late- the ghosts got you while you were reading about it.
yeetusthefeetus13@reddit
OH NAR
Dragoncat99@reddit
“Biodiversity in this region is unusually low. Cause unknown.”
magicMerlinV@reddit
Cause is dumbass property owners
the_fresh_cucumber@reddit
Well I sort of agree. I hate insects
Dry-Cry-3158@reddit
I own eight acres, most of which is meadow, which means I have lots of insects. I still keep the 1/2 acre around my house mowed, because insects aren't all that great near living spaces. There are many insects that you don't want to foster near your house, and that certainly includes ticks, ants, wasps, and hornets. While I get the love for nature's ecology, I also understand the need for a certain degree of sterility near places in which people live. There are legitimate tradeoffs in deciding whether to have a manicured lawn or a wild meadow, and it's not unthinkingly stupid to want a lawn around your house to prevent undesirable insects from living in close proximity.
B_Hopsky@reddit
Plus it's a lot easier to spot a snake in 3 inch grass than 2-foot grass
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
I mean it does depend on your house and what kind of lifestyle you have. My house is fairly new and well designed against ants and termites, so our plant garden extends to right below our windows with the only lawn being a small path through the various garden patches. I totally understand the interest in a buffer zone for people with older homes or who want to be able to play sports and things at home, especially where there aren't public parks closely available. It's just that some homeowners have such paralyzing fears over insects that they cannot stand the thought of any nearby meadow space and mow it all down— kudos to you for getting the difference and having so much wild space in a place where it won't negatively affect your home.
Are invasive plants a big issue where you live? How do you maintain eight acres and keep native plants from being smothered?
Dry-Cry-3158@reddit
Johnson grass and crab grass are big issues, so I maintain by adding organic fertilizer during cool season emergence, reseeding with native seeds during dormancy, and herbicide on Johnson grass, then digging rhizomes when the ground is soft. I will mow in the late fall sometimes and dethatch to ensure proper seed contact for native growth.
Tourqon@reddit
We must also consider the local fauna in this equation. My grandparents that live in a Romanian village have a well kempt, but still a little wild layer of vegetation around their house. Grape vine, flower garden, various fruit trees and bushes, and the house itself is half-covered in vine-like plants.
There are plenty of insects, but the only bothersome ones in the area are hornets. They sometimes make hives around the house or on the house. Besides those, they do still have a bunch of insects around, like moths, night butterflies, fireflies, etc.
If I knew there were ticks, or other very annoying or dangerous insects, I too would make sure they can't breed close to my house.
Dry-Cry-3158@reddit
In the particular context of the US, ticks carry Lyme disease, and many people are deathly allergic to stinging insects. I don't think most Americans hate plants (per se), and most Americans are probably indifferent to most insects, but for most Americans, maintaining a closely trimmed lawn is the simplest way to manage insect risk.
CementMuncher@reddit
No, we actually don’t.
Tourqon@reddit
I mean that sounds a bit nice because it means you can sit in your lawn without worrying about insects climbing on you, right?
I would still have a traditional European lawn(with various kinds of plants, some wild flowers, some weeds) because it looks more interesting and I wouldn't sit there much anyways, but I can see the appeal of taking a nap in a field of insect-less grass.
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Well it depends. I've gotten plenty of ticks from the manicured county fairgrounds lawn, and all soil has some degree of insect and microbial life in order to support plant roots. As long as you are outside and the earth is not a desolate hellscape, there will always be some critters in the dirt. If you don't want them touching you (and you don't want the dirt getting on you and your stuff), consider a picnic blanket.
The issue with lawns is that they're incredibly hostile to things like caterpillars, which need actual leaves (and often very specific ones— Google host plants for more info) in order to survive. Caterpillars are like the secret diet that is crucial for bigger animals like birds, whose babies love them because they're loaded with protein and don't have hard choking hazard shells. This means that if all you have is flat lawn and a few ornamental trees, your caterpillar population— and bird population— plummet.
Not to mention the obsession with cleaning away leaves and dead plant matter in the fall, which are where a lot of insects go to hibernate through the winter. I know insects freak people out sometimes, but as long as you reap the benefits of their services to the environment and to agriculture, you kinda have no choice but to tolerate them.
aVarangian@reddit
We had fireflies here for the first time ever (afaik) this year :)
Makes up for Chinese wasps having genocided all the bees in the region
totomorrowweflew@reddit
Nice crop there, when's harvest?
ohkwarig@reddit
Where I live, you don't have a choice. I would very much like to have a more natural space around my house. It's against the neighborhood covenants, and the Town ordinances.
critsalot@reddit
turf is wanted to do things on. you dont want to walk over dirt and get all muddied. however, most people dont use their lawns any more so the need for a manicured turf is less.
Unkindlake@reddit
Huh, I thought it's origins had more to do with places is Britain naturally looking like that when grazed by the animals they raised rather then some inherent racial defect in white people.
Wesley_Skypes@reddit
I feel like it depends. I follow a guy called Peter O'Mahoney (Irish pro rugby player but his real passion is gardening). He has a huge garden at the back of his house with every type of flower, shrub, tree you can imagine, but he also an an immaculate patch of grass that he maintains as well. I feel like this is a good balance.
_basilisk_@reddit
what are wasp suburban americans??
Hyperversum@reddit
Evil incarnate
Taenarius@reddit
Wealthy Anglo-Saxon Protestants. White Anglo-Saxon Protestants is a common misnomer, but Anglo-Saxon implies whiteness (and excludes quite a few 'white' ethnicities), and nobody living in trailers is usually considered a WASP, so it's clear that Wealth is important to being a WASP.
Expirem@reddit
WASP= White Anglo-Saxon Protestant
UltraFind@reddit
White Angel Saxon Protestants
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Yeah, it's a flex. That was always the point.
catchmelackin@reddit
I remember visiting the US for the first time and noticing how much of these lawns were around. Like Im in a desert near LA, do you REALLY have to have a lawn? Not like water is scarce or anything right?
throwaway6444377_@reddit
water isn't that scarce it's just all taken up by fucking almonds
SuperSocialMan@reddit
Yeah, r/fucklawns exists for a reason.
JustDontBeFat_GodDam@reddit
Im just happy my green monoculture lawn pisses off so many redditors
ElectroMagnetsYo@reddit
Let my yard run wild this year and it’s a beaut, whole mix of countless different plants and all sorts of critters hopping and flying about.
And hardly any of those mosquito fuckers because I developed the perfect breeding ground for their predators :D
Shamgar65@reddit
My lawn is a fantastic mix of 20% grass, 10% clover, 10% some kind of vine and 70% dandelions, thistles, ant colonies and dog poop from the stupid old man that let's his off leash dog poop all over my yard.
qalen@reddit
Embrace permaculture
Joshgg13@reddit
Fuck this is actually true isn't it. My garden used to have tons of clovers in it, now it's all grass
joko2008@reddit
Clover doesn't like to be mowed that often, if you mow every three days it will die pretty quickly
The_Freshmaker@reddit
who the fuck is mowing their yard every three days. I mow mine once a week during the heaviest growth season and the clovers that get mowed are back making more tiny clovers within a couple days.
joko2008@reddit
Bored people mow their grass every three days.
GregerMoek@reddit
I live in a country where clover is very much standard in a lawn. Greener with more insects and also more random flowers popping up everywhere. Mostly dandelions though cause of how they spread. There's also often moss patches here and there.
In America I imagine you can use a native alternative to Clover since Clover iirc isn't a native species. But I'm far from an expert so do what you will with that. Clover is prolly a better alternative than pure mono grass. But if you're ecologically inclined do some research first. With the risk of sounding defeatist I imagine clover is probably not gonna go away from American nature any time soon so you probably may not need to care too much about that.
The_Freshmaker@reddit
clover grows just fine all throughout America, I've seen it in the south and the PNW, plenty of places in between.
Nvenom8@reddit
We have plenty of native clovers in America. European white clover is also considered naturalized here. You don't even need to plant clover. Just leave an empty plot of land, and clover will show up in most places.
GregerMoek@reddit
Good to hear! My bad then.
Joshgg13@reddit
I'm not American fyi, live in UK
GregerMoek@reddit
Then it's all fine to use Clovers.
finicky88@reddit
Well go buy some clover seed, it's dirt cheap stuff.
CollapsedPlague@reddit
I’ve over the course of a few years been converting my lawn to mostly clover. There’s large spots I basically don’t need to mow that I also have some wildflowers for the bees and my lawn looks significantly better than my neighbors other than the guy who literally wastes time every day watering and feeding his lawn when I mow like every 2-3 weeks lmao
sleepybear5000@reddit
I read something about this awhile back and how it makes it that you almost never have to mow your lawn because clovers dont grow tall like grass. Always thought when I own a home im definitely doing that because im lazy af and hate doing yard work (or any work lol)
The_Freshmaker@reddit
They'll still get pretty bushy if you let them go long enough but there are special varieties of micro clovers that stay small and never get beyond what a regular mowed yard looks like. Personally I like the big crimson and white clovers anyways though, and when you do mow them they just kinda start over quickly, nbd.
funkmon@reddit
How do you do this? Just dump clover on everything?
Gondawn@reddit
Mix clover seeds with grass seeds when planting I imagine? (I’m not an expert)
funkmon@reddit
I don't want to dig up my lawn. :(
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
Grass and clover don't need digging. If you have lots of weeds you should dig them out, rake it then scatter your seeds and cover with straw or lawn clippings.
It's also a good time to spread compost before you sprinkle the seed.
funkmon@reddit
So will putting the clover seeds replaced the grass that is on my yard with the clover?
naturalinfidel@reddit
Eventually.
Check out frost seeding. This is a method farmers use in the early spring to add seed to a field that already has existing grass roots existing.
The problem with going out into your yard now, in July, is your new clover seeds will need to compete with already mature grasses that have established root systems and will dominate receiving sunlight. It can still be done but you need to "shock" the current existing grass in order for you new clover seeds to have a chance at growing.
In frost seeding, provided you live in an area where there is a thaw and freeze in early spring, your new clover seed will compete with other new grass growth as all grasses are competing for dominance.
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
The worst part of doing it in July is it's the dryest season and watering grass is not free lol
The_Freshmaker@reddit
best to try to kill it in the winter, replant in early spring.
Vast-Combination4046@reddit
It's not really so much replacing the grass as it is competing with it and claiming the spaces it fails in. It's not the best time of year to try, but at the beginning and end of the summer (late September/mid March) you should toss a few handfuls around.
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
You don't need to dig it up, at least not all the way. If you've ever seen brand new lawns from seed, it's usually done with some straw held down by plastic netting. This works, but the plastic netting will tear and get all over the place. Scattering seeds will also work, but it's not guaranteed as they can blow around.
The best method is probably to take one of those metal bladed rake type tools which breaks up the soil just enough for seeds to get in, like a mini plow. If you don't have one, your neighbors probably do. It'll naturally clean itself up again
Cole3103@reddit
The tool they’d probably be looking for is a broad fork
PrivilegeCheckmate@reddit
Man I haven't forked a broad in so long I'm not sure if my tool works anymore.
Stiqkey@reddit
... I hate how much I identify with this...
Lacholaweda@reddit
Lawn aerator
reclusivegiraffe@reddit
I’ve seen the straw thing without plastic netting
ElonTaco@reddit
Garden weasel
The_Freshmaker@reddit
I killed my grass as much as possible by letting the chickens and ducks we had go crazy on it during the winter, then seeding the whole yard with clover. Didn't really work though, the grass still grew back but at least the clover took hold in several areas and now I have a couple of nice all clover patches while the rest has clover sprinkled throughout. You can kill grass with tarps and weights on top I hear though.
Substantial_Part_463@reddit
If you over seed a shade blend will contain clover.
Portland_st@reddit
Same.
pollyp0cketpussy@reddit
Yes! Same! I scatter clover seeds every year and every year my lawn has less and less grass, it's awesome. Now it's almost full of dog violets, morning glories, mint, white clover, and crimson clover. I'm going to plant more mint soon too because mowing mint smells great lol. I never water, I mow 1-2 times a month, and I'm hoping in the future I can get it down to maybe once every month or two on mowing.
inspectoroverthemine@reddit
Have you seen the price of dirt lately?
shutupyourenotmydad@reddit
Piss off the HOA. Replace all your grass with clovers.
Nvenom8@reddit
Clover is a weed. It shows up naturally if you just do nothing. We started using herbicides to kill weeds. Those also kill clover. Clover was lost in the pursuit of the "perfect" lawn. In my opinion, needless use of poison is stupid, and lawns look good regardless of what's growing there. Yet another example of humans creating their own problems.
aczkasow@reddit
My yard is dying because of the fucking dandelions
correctingStupid@reddit
It's most likely removed because manicured lawns eventually become taken over by clover patches. Which people tend to hate because it does look like shit.
TwoScoopsofDestroyer@reddit
So when they were formulating a weed killer that wouldn't kill the grass, they discovered it killed the clover, so the lawn companies simply decided clover wasn't part of lawn cover anymore.
yaboyACbreezy@reddit
Nah man, when you're walking on a lawn of 100% genuine clover laying flat on its own it looks and feels luscious. Stayed at a place that had this a couple of months ago and it was lovely.
gereffi@reddit
Or clover is just good at spreading naturally and can grow in the same types of soil that we grow grass in.
I always have crab grass on my lawn. Does that mean that there some kind of conspiracy that grass seed companies are purposefully putting crab grass on my lawn?
Askefyr@reddit
Yeah. Some types of clover trap nitrogen from the air and put it into the ground. It's often used as a break in crop rotations for this reason.
DokeyOakey@reddit
If you use a broad leaf weed killer on your lawn, the clover will die: so be careful moving forward.
Hajydit@reddit
Why and how explain
cookie_n_icecream@reddit
microwavepetcarrier@reddit
the full text does get a little disturbing
SparklingLimeade@reddit
Fascinating to see people writing some relevant facts and then at various points they turn around and jump off the diving board to to their loony conspiracy angle.
shiggy__diggy@reddit
It's wild that if only Anon replaced "jews" with "billionaires" this entire post wouldn't be considered looney Nazi nuttery and instead be 100% correct.
Many such cases.
putin_my_ass@reddit
Human progress held back by bigotry?
Tale as old as time, isn't it?
SuperSocialMan@reddit
Well, it is 4chan.
SjayL@reddit
It’s quite the phenomenon isn’t it?
Liang_Kresimir11@reddit
me when bro is lowkey spitting and then he airballs in a very predictable fashion
Dravarden@reddit
here is a "clovers are good" explanation post I had saved
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bzd72u/what_common_knowledge_do_we_all_know_but_is/eqsbjef/
lickdicker21@reddit
Same companies that own seeds, also own fertilizer, sprinklers etc.
Clovers sort of help do the job of those things naturally, so having clovers in your grass seed packs means people won't need sprinklers/fertilizer as much.
Removing clovers mean they do need the fertilizer/sprinklers so the company gets money from both seeds and fertilizer/sprinklers.
UpboatOrNoBoat@reddit
It’s simpler than that. Most modern lawn treatments use broad-leaf herbicides. Those happen to kill clover. Why put seed for something your lawn treatments kills in your lawn seed mix?
slasher1337@reddit
Who the fuck uses herbicides on a lawn
UpboatOrNoBoat@reddit
Almost every bag of lawn fertilizer and lawn care product has weed killer in it. Even overseed usually has something to keep down weeds. Just because you don’t read the bag doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
slasher1337@reddit
Apparently not in europe
putin_my_ass@reddit
Yep, our lawn would yellow every summer and then the driest patches would die out, leaving only dirt which turned in to dust and later mud when it finally rained (which the dog would track in the house).
We seeded clover, and now our lawn is lush, the soil remains moist even in the driest part of the summer and the dog loves lying in the clover because it actually feels cooler when you step on it.
I fucking hate monocultured lawns. Your lawn is not a fairway, Michael.
noseyHairMan@reddit
Tbh, the more time goes by the more I think that Oakham razor is becoming obsolete. In such a case, you could say that anon is becoming crazy but such behaviors from companies feel like the norm today. No one wants to make something good or improve society. They want a way to make more money at the expense of everything else. They would get slaves if they could
bardfaust@reddit
Thought you were making a joke about some sort of yard trimmer.
dTrecii@reddit
r/boneappletea worthy material
Yuri909@reddit
Occam's
KJBenson@reddit
Well yeah. Any time there’s a law about something it’s because people would do it otherwise.
Like slavery. Or clovers.
OldBMW@reddit
Fake: anon went outside
Gay: anon thought about seeds
esssssto@reddit
80% of post that say "evil companies" are onto something.
Did you know that Nestlé knew that natural milk is way better than baby formula and financed fake studios and news to sell more of their baby formula?
And when they were forced to stop, they started dowing It in third world countries?
When profit is everything, the rest doesn't matter.
zrezzif@reddit
Just want to piggyback on this though and to say that this is not an excuse to give mothers who can’t produce their own breast milk any shit. Two things can be true at the same time. Formula is a Godsend that has drastically lowered infant mortality, but also Nestle is an incredibly evil company
harveyshinanigan@reddit
by natural milk
you mean breast milk, pasteurized cow milk or raw cow milk ?
man-teiv@reddit
think carefully, is it "natural" to drink another mammal milk? I think that's specifically made for calfs
Morpherman@reddit
I mean, the development of post juvenile lactose tolerance in humans was somewhat a byproduct of natural selection, so kind of?
Being able to drink booby juice from cows just happened to be a beneficial enough trait for long enough that something like 40% of all humans retain the enzymes to digest it in adulthood. A newer mutation for sure since it happened post animal husbandry, but "natural" nonetheless.
man-teiv@reddit
lactose intolerance is caused by the lack of lactase, an enzyme that can break down the lactose molecules present in all kinds of milk.
having said that, we're able to drink cow milk for survival reasons, but that doesn't mean that it's optimized for human babies. in fact, I'm pretty sure that a human baby would die if given only cow milk. on the other hand, a baby cow finds all needed nutrition there to grow into a strong and healthy cow... well, until the moment it's prematurely separated from the mother to be sent to slaughter because we find baby cows delicious.
also, dairy is scary
Mc_Tron34@reddit
Like the others are saying, breast milk. You can find documentaries about the crisis Nestle ended up causing, but basically what ended up happening (from my memory) was that, like esssssto said, Nestle lied their asses off, claiming that their shitty baby formula was nutritionaly better than breast milk, which was unfortunately quite effective in poorer nations, such as nations in West Africa. They even hired phony doctors to "prescribe" their formula to lactating mothers just long enough for them to stop lactating, while their baby literally suffered nutritional deficiencies and either grew up weakened or, in worse cases, straight up withered away. Long story short, fuck Nestle all the way to hell. That's only one of the literal humanitarian crises that the corporation has caused.
reclusivegiraffe@reddit
Another factor is that once these women were no longer lactating, they became dependent on formula they couldn’t afford to feed their babies…
nw342@reddit
And these women didnt have access to clean water, and mixed formula with dirty water, which killed a lot of babies. IIRC, Nestle told to women that they could use any water with the formula and didnt say it had to be clean.
esssssto@reddit
Human breast milk, yeah. It's not that powdered milk (baby formula) is bad, but unless it's the only way posible, It should be complementary, not instead of the main thing.
rambaldidevice1@reddit
Female human breast milk...
floralcurtains@reddit
Male humans can produce viable breast milk as well, it's just rare. There are a few historical reports of it happening as well as a report of it happening in 2002 in Sri Lanka.
I remember some guy posting maybe ten years ago about training his body to produce breast milk, but he was using hormones to help iirc
ThisIsGlenn@reddit
Milk from my pp
privatefries@reddit
Breast milk
maggiemayfish@reddit
"[Company] did evil thing in the name of profit" is a conspiracy theory that I always just believe on sight, these days. Almost always checks out.
IsunkTheMayFLOWER@reddit
"government bad" conspiracy theories are also right about 50% of the time
esssssto@reddit
And often is both goverment doing something to benefit companies (like the US with the bananas and the oil)
C0ltFury@reddit
Alex Jones’s “frogs turning gay” rant was based in some truth also, IIRC there was a pesticide that was causing hermaphroditism in frogs. But Jones et al prefer to spin this as a grand conspiracy to undermine traditional sexuality instead of the simple fact that it’s just cheaper to make harmful pesticides.
Nvenom8@reddit
And in those third world countries, they encouraged woman to stop breastfeeding, taking advantage of the fact that poorly educated women didn't know they would stop lactating and thus be 100% reliant on formula.
Btw the company behind Chiquita bananas successfully backed a military coup to overthrow a foreign government for the sake of profit.
Bryandar000@reddit
That freak CEO of Nestle also said water isn't a human right. I can't wait for these old corrupt fucks to die, imagine being comparable to a fucking cartoon villain because of how over the top evil you are.
richard_stank@reddit
It’s actually more to do with herbicide. Clover used to be ground cover seed for lawns until they invented broad leaf herbicide. Unfortunately, it also targets clover.
Instead of trying to make a better herbicide, big chem went on a smear campaign that labeled clover as a weed.
ecco311@reddit
Honest question because I read several of these comments: do people in the US just spray herbicide on their fucking lawn to kill every plant except for the grass?
Spare_Pixel@reddit
More and more people are moving to fucking fake grass. It's crazy.
ChickadeeWarbler@reddit
Many do. Thats why theres a push for native plant ecology here atm. Theres a ton of ignorance
richard_stank@reddit
Yes, or they pay people to do it for them.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
And here i thought they might have been worried about clover being invasive
I should have known better
richard_stank@reddit
Go back to /r/nativeplantscirclejerk
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
No
Instead, I am invading this subreddit and planting g roots
hydroxy@reddit
Clover probably was a brighter green because it’s a legume that can fix its own Nitrogen rather than rely on fertilizers and other supplemental nitrate sources.
No-Cover4993@reddit
"Weed n Feed" has some of the most positive PR when it comes to herbicides but it's arguably much worse than Roundup and glyphosate. 2,4-D messes up a lot of dogs. People overapply Weed n Feed like crazy, not realizing the "safe" aspect of herbicides goes away when you overapply the chemical.
Tactical_Epunk@reddit
I just learned clover actually fertilizes soil.
peachy-carnahan@reddit
who cares
SlyguyguyslY@reddit
It’s mostly true. The reason is different however. People just think they want straight grass without clovers and stuff and the market followed. If one does have the right soil and fertilizer; grass can work fine on its own but it’s hard to do and even requires blatant luck. The vast majority of people who have a lawn to manage are better off mixing their grass with clovers and stuff like it.
gentlemanjosiahcrown@reddit
You can giggle and call it "big seed." If you want. It's Monsanto and Bayer. Those are the big movers. Also Big Farm
ChickadeeWarbler@reddit
Add warm season native grass to your seed mix. Little blue stem and such. This helps the environment and you get green and nice blue color in the warmer months
VegetableOk6208@reddit
I'm one of the few folks in town who get all sorts of interesting bugs, including many fireflies, because I neither bother with fetlizer or weed killing products. Also helps I don't mow it stupid short and only mow it when the town starts to get antsy about the height.
nagareboshi_chan@reddit
Yeah, yeah! My dad could explain the science better than I could, because he works in agriculture and soil and water conservation, but I think it has to do with the nutrient levels in the soil. Clover and other cover crops help with the balance of things like nitrogen and potassium and things like that, and that makes other plants grow better.
throwtheclownaway20@reddit
Yes, one thing on 4chan was right, so that must surely mean everything on 4chan is right. I swear, Anons make 1 good point and then immediately take whatever goodwill it may have earned them & suffocate it with a fuckin' pillow.
SomeSortaWeeb@reddit
guys is it schizophrenic if i believe that nitrogen-fixing plants are good for the plants around them?
F1235742732@reddit
I'll never know why people like their yards to be one single plant. Also, why they hate dandelions so much, dandelions are a pretty flower.
harveyshinanigan@reddit
i agree with you but dandelions are a piece of shit
F1235742732@reddit
They're pretty, and they smell good, and you can make make wishes with them in their puff ball state.
Dignal@reddit
i wish them to fuck off
F1235742732@reddit
I will never understand people's hated of that yellow flower. Oh well.
xxwarlorddarkdoomxx@reddit
It’s not the flower it’s the rest of the plant. It’s big, the leaves are ugly, and it kills nearby plants. When it eventually withers away it leaves dead patches
NineThreeFour1@reddit
Also, the entire plant is edible.
Alarmed-Strawberry-7@reddit
they stopped putting clover in lawns because lawn herbicides kill clover. people started considering it a "weed" after that.
aVarangian@reddit
??? 'muricans use herbicides on their gardens? wtf lol
Denvosreynaerde@reddit
My man,you think that's uniquely American? I'm from Belgium and people use tons of herb- or pesticides around here.
aVarangian@reddit
maybe it's just my folks here then idk, afaik we've never used any, and I don't see any point in using it on a home garden lol
we've always had cloves on a more shadowy section of the garden, including 4-leafed ones :3
Referat-@reddit
I eat grass salads, what's weird about that?
aVarangian@reddit
so what you're saying is that you touch grass?
Sandy-Balls@reddit
Herb is killed by herbicide. More shocking revelations at 11pm
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
My neighbor Herb was killed by his wife Beverly.
terragthegreat@reddit
They call her Beverly 'Herbicide' Smith
Waffleworshipper@reddit
Damn, is she single?
eveningfellow056@reddit
You don't wanna meet her , she's huge we call her Beverly the hill
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
I dunno, ask her cell mate
No-Cover4993@reddit
Kinda funny how people will freak out over glyphosate and Round Up but they'll drench their lawns with 2,4-D because of the "Weed n Feed" marketing.
WoolooOfWallStreet@reddit
Sneed’s Weed n Feed
(Formerly Chuck’s)
RocktamusPrim3@reddit
I’ve been working on a clover lawn for a couple years and can confirm: they’re so much better than grass lawns.
souzouker@reddit
Anon likes to talk about seeds huh?
_who-the-fuck-knows_@reddit
I'll give you my seed
Godhole34@reddit
As a reward?
For 10 years at least.
souzouker@reddit
In minecraft right?
Rob_Croissant@reddit
Here's mine : 420.69.14.88
fortnite_pit_pus@reddit
Dude. Hitler number. Nice. Haha. #reddit
Neither-Phone-7264@reddit
ok
_who-the-fuck-knows_@reddit
IndiscriminateWaster@reddit
Just as you have planted your seed in the ground, I will plant my seed in you.
barryhakker@reddit
Haha, if you really think it through you can interpret this in a sexual way!
solonit@reddit
Only men can receive my seeds. - Big E.
Timekeeper98@reddit
This isn’t r/balatro, here it’s just gay
_who-the-fuck-knows_@reddit
Someone's jealous
Timekeeper98@reddit
Absolutely, no matter how many seeds I take I still can’t get past Blue stake :/
Deckard2022@reddit
Bend over to pick some clover
Wity_4d@reddit
Need for Seed: Thot Pursuit
Soontir_Fel@reddit
CAPITALISM CREATES PROBLEMS THAT DON'T EXIST SO THEY CAN SALE YOU A TEMPORARY FIX, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND...
Tourqon@reddit
This is so interesting to see as a European. I've realized while reading comments that Americans use fertilizer for their lawn. That is so wild to me because we'd only use fertilizer for gardens, when you have fruit plants or flowers that need it. Grass and other random wild plants grow on their own like crazy, but that is no longer the case when you only want grass, I suppose, because it is a monoculture.
Creative_Low4924@reddit
I’m all for laughing at burgers but there’s a shitton of us euros who are utterly obsessed with their shitty fertilized, robo-mower death zone, aka lawn.
Tourqon@reddit
Maybe, but I'm Eastern European and I've only seen maybe 2 or 3 American style lawns. Granted, we are generally poorer than Westerners so it might be more of a thing in countries like the UK, Germany and the Netherlands.
slenderman123425@reddit
Clovers have nodules in their roots that contains a bacteria that distributes nitrogen into the soil which is vital for plant growth. Farmers often mix clover seeds with grass seeds for grazing
hornwalker@reddit
You can buy clover seeds and spread them on your lawn. Crazy. I know.
all_time_high@reddit
At various times of the year, some grasses will be less green than they usually are. Lack of precipitation, excessive heat, and cold weather are typical culprits.
In some locations you can choose a cultivar of grass which is green all year round, but does not handle drought or 12+ hours of intense sun very well.
So if you have brutal summers and no shade, Bermuda grass might be a great choice even though it goes dormant (yellow) in late October/early November through late April. If you have abundant shade for your lawn and don’t mind regular watering, Tall Fescue or Kentucky Bluegrass might be more what you’re looking for.
Necroverdose@reddit
Clover is a fertilizer. It has been used as such for hundreds of years. Nature is not magic. Ecology is a complicated branch of science.
Seamusjim@reddit
Clover and Moss gang
DankElderberries420@reddit
Not only true but
awolkriblo@reddit
When your green rectangle is 2% non-approved green stuff 😤🤬😤🤬😔😔🤨☹️😩
Mahou_Shoujo_B@reddit
https://www.milkwood.net These are really into giving free information on permaculture, have a lot of books on it, great read
supercellx@reddit
clover is just better for a lawn in general, if you absolutely must have a monoculture. longer roots, and better water usage
Fluffy_History@reddit
Id believe it. Clover nitrogenates the soil.
Revolutionary_Pen225@reddit
Real and straight (although I have stimulated my prostate)
the_bartolonomicron@reddit
I am so glad that my dad loves native plants and hates monoculture anything, out grass has patches of clovers and many other ground cover plants.
Toothpickgangsta@reddit
How does one find clover seeds?
ThirstyWolfSpider@reddit
Clearly by visiting that park with a magnifying glass and a fine tweezer.
Or you could support Big Seed …
SnooMemesjellies31@reddit
Clover was a very prominent nitrogen fixer in european agriculture for hundreds of years. Having clover planted along side another plant is almost always a good thing.
Mr-DragonSlayer@reddit
"Big Seed" 😭
The_Junton@reddit
Plant mint cus it smells nice when you mow the lawn and looks nice
DarthHubcap@reddit
Plant mint if you want mint and only mint and nothing but mint like Oprah is giving it away.
The_Junton@reddit
Yes once you plant it you can't get rid of it
F1235742732@reddit
You've convinced me
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Mint lawns are so much cooler than regular grass
Th3NXTGEN@reddit
“green”text amirite?
No-Cover4993@reddit
Kinda funny how people will freak out over glyphosate and Round Up but they'll drench their lawns with 2,4-D because of the "Weed n Feed" marketing.
ProfessorGimpsuit@reddit
My yard has creeping violet almost everywhere and I love it, it looks nice and you don't even have to mow it. I get nothing but unsolicited advice from my neighbor about how to """fix""" my grass but I like my creeping violet. I have a privacy fence so he doesn't have to see my yard at all but the fact that it's not grass infuriates him for some reason
Mr_Meme_Master@reddit
My dad's lawn is perpetually awful, he could never get it looking right despite how hard he tried and a few years ago he simply gave up. We still mow it, but thats all now. No weedkiller, no grass seeds, no nothing. It's never looked better.
Amazingjaype@reddit
I actually see this. My backyard was fucked up cause heat and dog piss. I randomly threw some clovers in the dead zones and now those parts are doing great.
infrowntown@reddit
I've pioneered my own brand of zeroscaping that takes advantage of the high number of empty liquor bottles and various trash in my yard to create a harmonious and ecologically-friendly tapestry that brings peace and balance to my yard.
Capt91@reddit
Also gives the insects thousands of flowers to get pollen from.
Physical-String-8713@reddit
Clover is a legume which fixes nitrogen in the soil for plants. Pretty badass actually and makes it a great addition to gardens and lawns. Might not be uniform but it stays damn green!
landartheconqueror@reddit
I love clover lawns. They are so lush, retain so much moisture, and bring in bees when it flowers.
Gliese581h@reddit
Dunno why people act surprised when our entire economic system is built around this. Capitalism requires constant growth. You don't get constant growth if customers don't need to rebuy your product constantly. Ergo, you make your product worse/reduce longevity and know that people will still buy your product because the entire market operates on the same scheme.
There is no conspiracy, it's simply how our species has decided the world should work.
gameronice@reddit
Clover helps to fix nitrogen to soil and prevents erosion, and holds up moisture, and if you let it bloom it's also loved by pollinators. It's great.
Plus all the luck-maxing you can do by finding 4-leaved versions.
Best_Koala_3300@reddit
ive got clovers in my lawn, while they are fucking annoying because the texture change from regular grass to that antagonizing my autism, it is basically green year round and doesnt grow much taller than it currently is. Which isnt tall enough for my hoa to get into my ass hole.
Fuck clovers
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
Just replace all your grass with clover. It's green, short, self fertilizing and no more texture charges
Best_Koala_3300@reddit
we probably will. My wife really likes it, and im pussy whipped so. Just a matter of having the time and being caught up on everything. Too much shit to do
CatTurdSniffer@reddit
Clover is great for regenerating bioavailable nitrogen in the soil
Grug_The_Farmer@reddit
If you're in the city you should raise 10(local variety) quail and let em run loose on your street. They'll groom for bugs and fertilize your grass.
If you're kind to them they'll keep coming to your house even after you let em run.
Askefyr@reddit
Clover is self-fertilising. This isn't anything new - we've known that for ages. They trap nitrogen from the air into the ground.
MrcF8@reddit
I want my entire yard to be scotch moss lmao
ProteanPie@reddit
My lawn is 60% clovers and is green and lush. Haven't fertilized in years, and every spring instead of fertilizer i put out more clover seed.
bmcgowan89@reddit
My head doesn't have any clovers, and I'm bald so I mean the logic is airtight
FrogMan241@reddit
Is that why you wear the cap?
Automatic_Humor_8167@reddit
filthy irish get into everything