4chan isn't left enough to say "Are you a Zionist" because it's mostly lefties who say that because even after all the anti-jewery their social warrior self conscience won't allow them to say j*w , although if you replace jew with Zionist on /pol/ you would find a lot of similar talking points lmao
You could also exchange Jew with Zionist in a lot of Nazi propaganda and you‘ll find a lot of crossover material between that and modern leftist spaces.
The political ideology in this case is "Jews should have a country" which is pretty indistinguishable from the ethnicity. If somebody said they didn't hate Japanese people but they think anybody who wants Japan to continue existing is evil, you would call them a liar.
Also, depending on how far left or right you go (something something horseshoe), you'll find people who think anything other than advocating for the complete destruction of Israel makes you a Zionist. And they'll paint the general Zionist (somebody who thinks Israel should exist as a Jewish state) as being the same as the extreme Israeli right who wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
People dance around this because they don’t want to offend. I won’t. No state that has ethnicity as a defining factor for your class of citizenship should exist. Stop.
Well, not quite; it's the ideology that Judaism should have a country, or maybe even Judaism as an ideology of particular émigrés who had the resources to leave and return should have a country.
It's highly distinguishable from the ethnicity in this specific case because Palestinians are pretty much genetically identical to Israelis, something that the Spanish blundered into discovering in the early days of genetic sequencing before having to retract the paper. Notably, this was not because anything was factually inaccurate, but because they caught all kinds of shit from the Israelis who insist that the "Arabs" are interlopers. The war essentially amounts to Jews who converted to Islam or Christianity being bombed to shit by Jews who didn't. If every Israeli converted to Islam tomorrow, or conversely if they decided that "Jews aren't proselytizers" belonged in the trash bin alongside "Jews aren't farmers" when the people on the other end were conversos, there'd be no war.
Instead all the people crowing "Amalek, Amelek" are simultaneously doing the red calf shit. It's a religious war where the worst heresy of Samaritanism is going after the second worst.
You could also replace the word Bolshevik in Nazi propaganda with Zionism and you would get the same result.
In this case you’d have a comparison between two ideologies if that suits you better.
My point is 1) horseshoe theory and 2) that some of you fell so hard for Hamas propaganda that you genuinely got radicalised to the same extent as Nazis. All the fancy rephrasing and reframing won’t change that.
Some of ”who” exactly? What are you assuming me to be and on what grounds? And yes. People typically speak unfavourably of ideologies they don’t like. If you replaced the word ”liberal” in an anti liberal text with ”conservative” it would become an anti conservative text. You’re not not making a point.
What specifically do you mean then? And what exactly makes anti Zionist sentiment similar to nazi writings? What language are you referring to specifically.
Lol @ Hamas propaganda, why don't you look up AIPAC and who they donate to or how the ADL was founded, or when Israel got nukes (hint: right after JFK died). America is genuinely a vassal state to Israel and this is not a personal opinion
I was asked once if I was Jewish, followed by if I was circumcised. I was not being interviewed by a doctor or anything, and the answer to both was no lmao.
I was born to a Catholic father and a Jewish mother. I picked Christianity early. 32 now, but by 24 my mom’s family basically disowned me for being vocal about everything coming to pass now. Christ is king. Not all Jews are Zionists, and many Jews support Israel blindly and otherwise are decent people. It’s sad, and I wish my mom’s family had listened to me instead of just smearing me as a Nazi (among many other lies) and blacksheeping me. Christianity calls us to forgive, and I forgive them. There’s so much more to my story with them, but damn do some Jews play perfectly into the stereotypes. That being said, nothing but love for them. I hope one day they wake up, and I hope our generation sees the end of these crazy wars started by extremist psychopaths.
The entire discourse is annoying me now because the lack of cohesive definitions means that every argument never properly goes anywhere.
Pro Palestine activist: I'm anti Zionist (either I oppose Israel's genocidal regime, or I want to commit genocide upon the Jews in the name of Allah)
Zionist: no you can't say that because I'm Zionist, so you're antisemitic (either I want Israel to exist and not be blasted into sand, or I want a Jewish empire built on the blood of Arabs)
It really doesn't help Israel's antisemitism case when they complain about it and then inflict every antisemitic trope upon the Palestinians
It really doesn't help Israel's antisemitism case when they complain about it and then inflict every antisemitic trope upon the Palestinians
Yep. and well like the moneyprinting fed they did find a cheat code that generally works. Zionist are pretty open that they loooove antisemitism and wield it to maximum effect where possible. Gives them carte blanche to stupid western politicians.
It really doesn't help Israel's antisemitism case when they complain about it and then inflict every antisemitic trope upon the Palestinians
zionist are pretty open that they loooove antisemitism and wield it to maximum effect where possible. Gives them carte blanche to stupid western politicians to do all the evil shit they do.
Yea the thing is is that when people say they’re pro/anti Zionist, their definitions range wildly. You can probably get a lot of anti Zionists and Zionists to agree there needs to be a ceasefire, but you also see a lot of one side saying the other side needs to be completely exterminated. On Reddit at least it’s mostly pro Palestinians saying this
It varies, the Israel centric subreddits cannot fathom that anyone in the IDF can possibly do anything wrong. But yeah most reasonable people can agree on a lot but the extremists on the opposite side throw people off
cumdinoco@reddit
4chan isn't left enough to say "Are you a Zionist" because it's mostly lefties who say that because even after all the anti-jewery their social warrior self conscience won't allow them to say j*w , although if you replace jew with Zionist on /pol/ you would find a lot of similar talking points lmao
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
You could also exchange Jew with Zionist in a lot of Nazi propaganda and you‘ll find a lot of crossover material between that and modern leftist spaces.
It’s quite the fun game to play
jubaby2@reddit
Almost like there’s a difference between a political ideology and an ethnicity? Not sure what your point is.
dev_vvvvv@reddit
The political ideology in this case is "Jews should have a country" which is pretty indistinguishable from the ethnicity. If somebody said they didn't hate Japanese people but they think anybody who wants Japan to continue existing is evil, you would call them a liar.
Also, depending on how far left or right you go (something something horseshoe), you'll find people who think anything other than advocating for the complete destruction of Israel makes you a Zionist. And they'll paint the general Zionist (somebody who thinks Israel should exist as a Jewish state) as being the same as the extreme Israeli right who wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
BrettDilkington1@reddit
People dance around this because they don’t want to offend. I won’t. No state that has ethnicity as a defining factor for your class of citizenship should exist. Stop.
Fucking_That_Chicken@reddit
Well, not quite; it's the ideology that Judaism should have a country, or maybe even Judaism as an ideology of particular émigrés who had the resources to leave and return should have a country.
It's highly distinguishable from the ethnicity in this specific case because Palestinians are pretty much genetically identical to Israelis, something that the Spanish blundered into discovering in the early days of genetic sequencing before having to retract the paper. Notably, this was not because anything was factually inaccurate, but because they caught all kinds of shit from the Israelis who insist that the "Arabs" are interlopers. The war essentially amounts to Jews who converted to Islam or Christianity being bombed to shit by Jews who didn't. If every Israeli converted to Islam tomorrow, or conversely if they decided that "Jews aren't proselytizers" belonged in the trash bin alongside "Jews aren't farmers" when the people on the other end were conversos, there'd be no war.
Instead all the people crowing "Amalek, Amelek" are simultaneously doing the red calf shit. It's a religious war where the worst heresy of Samaritanism is going after the second worst.
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
You could also replace the word Bolshevik in Nazi propaganda with Zionism and you would get the same result.
In this case you’d have a comparison between two ideologies if that suits you better.
My point is 1) horseshoe theory and 2) that some of you fell so hard for Hamas propaganda that you genuinely got radicalised to the same extent as Nazis. All the fancy rephrasing and reframing won’t change that.
jubaby2@reddit
Some of ”who” exactly? What are you assuming me to be and on what grounds? And yes. People typically speak unfavourably of ideologies they don’t like. If you replaced the word ”liberal” in an anti liberal text with ”conservative” it would become an anti conservative text. You’re not not making a point.
shiny_xnaut@reddit
"Those darn conservatives keep making our kids soft, adding minorities to media, and turning the frogs gay"
Bahlok-Avaritia@reddit
I mean, conservatives do tend to cry a lot about things that don't have any effect on them, sounds pretty soft to me
CaloricDumbellIntake@reddit
Im not assuming you to be anything, you as in you people, referring to a broad spectrum of people not any group in particular.
There is a stark contrast between speaking unfavourably and Nazi propaganda, I don’t think that that needs to be debated in any way.
jubaby2@reddit
What specifically do you mean then? And what exactly makes anti Zionist sentiment similar to nazi writings? What language are you referring to specifically.
MrRainbow111@reddit
Replacing a word in a text with a different word means something different but similar 😧
Idk what they saying either other than some basic ass observation of linguistics
suphomiewhatsgood@reddit
Genocide radicalized us douchebag. But you keep supporting the IDF baby killers
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
Did they teach you this trick during Birthright or what?
-drumroll-@reddit
Lol @ Hamas propaganda, why don't you look up AIPAC and who they donate to or how the ADL was founded, or when Israel got nukes (hint: right after JFK died). America is genuinely a vassal state to Israel and this is not a personal opinion
Secret-Look-88@reddit
I find left wing people talk about Zionism the same way they would Nazism.
The_Nude_Mocracy@reddit
Ah yes all the hamas propaganda that hamas are making in their tunnels with no food or electricity
CompactAvocado@reddit
horseshoe theory. political spectrum isn't a line its curved.
the more far left you get all of a sudden you are authoritarian and using the same techniques you claim to hate and vice versa.
karlpoppins@reddit
Horseshoe theory is regarded because the political spectrum is not one-dimensional.
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
This is the most ADL shit I've read on this sub ever
cumdinoco@reddit
Something something
StormOfFatRichards@reddit
Does /pol/ care about human rights in Gaza these days?
Vertex138@reddit
Place a \ before your *'s to keep them from forming italics where you don't want them
Berkuts_Lance_Plus@reddit
"jw"
Jehova's Witness?
ModmanX@reddit
So, are you?
AzorJonhai@reddit
Yes
quantifical@reddit
Do you really expecting them to answer truthfully
boiledviolins@reddit
The guys who've been passed around by everybody for being too rich? I mean, if they're the underdogs...
cumdinoco@reddit
Bravo
boiledviolins@reddit
If we force them out of government then all they do is get rich
Icy_Magician_9372@reddit
Isn't this literally the crusader kings game loop
WoldyR@reddit
Yrs yes it is
BrownieIsTrash2@reddit
Jewish people get hated on for being successful, maybe everyone can learn a thing or two...
kungfoop@reddit
I can bet my last quarter
wkeil42@reddit
You're missing the parentheses
Coppola_Mistakes@reddit
99% of them are zionists so probably yes
SipoteQuixote@reddit
Avoiding the question per usual
gintoki_1513@reddit
always pretending to be the vicitm.
BongWater--@reddit
Whats a zionis?
marcusromain@reddit
the right term is zeonist, a follower of char aznable
isdelo37@reddit
real answer: someone who wants Israel to exist
Immortal_Merlin@reddit
Fanboys of 3rd Matrix Movie
Cake_is_Great@reddit
Do you condemn Israel?
AlphaMassDeBeta@reddit
I was asked once if I was Jewish, followed by if I was circumcised. I was not being interviewed by a doctor or anything, and the answer to both was no lmao.
Snoutysensations@reddit
Well, your doctor must have cut a big portion of it off.
https://youtu.be/cI2sgH4EAPE
Outis918@reddit
I was born to a Catholic father and a Jewish mother. I picked Christianity early. 32 now, but by 24 my mom’s family basically disowned me for being vocal about everything coming to pass now. Christ is king. Not all Jews are Zionists, and many Jews support Israel blindly and otherwise are decent people. It’s sad, and I wish my mom’s family had listened to me instead of just smearing me as a Nazi (among many other lies) and blacksheeping me. Christianity calls us to forgive, and I forgive them. There’s so much more to my story with them, but damn do some Jews play perfectly into the stereotypes. That being said, nothing but love for them. I hope one day they wake up, and I hope our generation sees the end of these crazy wars started by extremist psychopaths.
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
The entire discourse is annoying me now because the lack of cohesive definitions means that every argument never properly goes anywhere.
Pro Palestine activist: I'm anti Zionist (either I oppose Israel's genocidal regime, or I want to commit genocide upon the Jews in the name of Allah)
Zionist: no you can't say that because I'm Zionist, so you're antisemitic (either I want Israel to exist and not be blasted into sand, or I want a Jewish empire built on the blood of Arabs)
It really doesn't help Israel's antisemitism case when they complain about it and then inflict every antisemitic trope upon the Palestinians
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
Yep. and well like the moneyprinting fed they did find a cheat code that generally works. Zionist are pretty open that they loooove antisemitism and wield it to maximum effect where possible. Gives them carte blanche to stupid western politicians.
WhoTheHeckKnowsWhy@reddit
zionist are pretty open that they loooove antisemitism and wield it to maximum effect where possible. Gives them carte blanche to stupid western politicians to do all the evil shit they do.
zombieruler7700@reddit
Yea the thing is is that when people say they’re pro/anti Zionist, their definitions range wildly. You can probably get a lot of anti Zionists and Zionists to agree there needs to be a ceasefire, but you also see a lot of one side saying the other side needs to be completely exterminated. On Reddit at least it’s mostly pro Palestinians saying this
HighlightSerious3348@reddit
It varies, the Israel centric subreddits cannot fathom that anyone in the IDF can possibly do anything wrong. But yeah most reasonable people can agree on a lot but the extremists on the opposite side throw people off
cambriansplooge@reddit
As one rabbi said, it’s just become a Rorschach test. It doesn’t mean anything anymore.
jackedcatman@reddit
Have you tried not caring and letting other people figure it out? Maybe you don’t need a Middle East policy position anon.
Toberto_arnulfo@reddit
69th_inline@reddit
Out of the mouth of kits.
Dont_Touch_My_Nachos@reddit
It's jewver
mehliana@reddit
Sir a second jewver damn has burst
DDAY007@reddit
The,
"Conflating zionism with Jews" community in shambles once again.
Time and time and time and time again.
NeverFraudulentAgain@reddit
Bros on the gay parts of Twitter if he gets that
Absulus@reddit
Always the victim.
Comfortablymoist1@reddit
Oy vey.
Laxhoop2525@reddit
Hasan Piker and his impact
yoavtrachtman@reddit
Hell yeah I’m a Zionist 😎
SectumDrSsempa@reddit
you they stoke hate like rage bait on purpose right
Alex_13249@reddit
Is Anon a zionist tho?
Segmentum@reddit
Frisbee Heads
WintersbaneGDX@reddit
Note the construction of this Pepe:
Automatic_Humor_8167@reddit
the greatest trick the devil ever played was making people think his foreskin exists