In this IAP: Do I fly the Course Reversal?
Posted by AshamedMarket7291@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 20 comments
In this approach, if i’m coming from the Southeast (like the arrow shows), would I fly the course reversal upon reaching JRGAL or proceed straight in?
air_bus_driver@reddit
No need to fly the procedure turn if straight in. It’s only there if coming from the opposite direction of the approach to get your back established on the inbound course. But you could use the hold to descend in if you’re too high.
Btw you should be able to text your CFI this question. Shouldn’t have to ask Reddit for simple stuff like this. Just looking out for you as a student.
slyskyflyby@reddit
If "cleared" straight in. ATC needs to say "Proceed direct JRGAL, straight in, cleared for the RNAV Approach"
air_bus_driver@reddit
Thanks for the addition! ATC should always make it clear by saying “straight in” or “full procedure”. And if unsure, just ask ATC! They’re there to help you, even though they may seem scary at first.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
What does the plate say? It’s right there “noPT for arrival at JRGAL on V579 northbound”
slyskyflyby@reddit
OP's arrow is not on V579 and he said he's direct to JRGAL, not on the airway. In this situation unless ATC says "cleared straight in" you have to do the HILPT.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
I was waiting for his response. You also have to cross JRGAL at 1700 so you’re going to have to descend somehow and that’s where the PT comes in
slyskyflyby@reddit
Welp, OP deleted their account already. Thats dedication to the anonymity game. Create an account just to ask a minor question then immediately delete it. Dang lol.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
Well that’s a dick move on their part
I hate people like that
AshamedMarket7291@reddit (OP)
That’s my confusion. I would not be arriving on V579, I would essentially be paralleling the airway.
BeenThereDoneThat65@reddit
So if you are not on V579 you will have to PT and that’s most likely to get you lower
Accomplished_Sun5287@reddit
Yep looks like a direct entry procedure turn, ask atc if you can just head straight in after JRGAL and depending on spacing they will decide if you can or not. If you are heading that way and cleared for the approach and nothing else then yes pt is necessary
AshamedMarket7291@reddit (OP)
This is what I was looking for! I would have to ask for a straight in - but otherwise, the PT would be required.
Accomplished_Sun5287@reddit
Yes exactly but pay attention to the altitudes because if your at 6000 then it’s going to take awhile to get down to 1700 after JRGAL so pt might be smart.
falconkirtaran@reddit
Depends on how high you are. That's a HILPT, not a procedure turn. But you have to get yourself below 6000 before proceeding past it.
AshamedMarket7291@reddit (OP)
Most likely would be less than 6’000’ upon reaching the fix.
falconkirtaran@reddit
You don't fly it then. But if in doubt you can always ask.
One time during my IR, with a CFII on board, approach forgot to say straight in, and we flew a course reversal. Approach was very surprised (but it ended up OK).
slyskyflyby@reddit
Unless ATC says "Cleared Straight in" you will need to do the course reversal.
If your arrow were pointed slightly more north and you were on V579 you would not have to do the course reversal either. But if you are just cleared direct to JRGAL, yes you will have to do it.
AshamedMarket7291@reddit (OP)
Got it, thank you!
Weasel474@reddit
SHARPTT
rFlyingTower@reddit
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In this approach, if i’m coming from the Southeast (like the arrow shows), would I fly the course reversal upon reaching JRGAL or proceed straight in?
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