Hamas used sexual violence as part of 'genocidal strategy'
Posted by OptimisticRealist__@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 55 comments
Posted by OptimisticRealist__@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 55 comments
HugoCortell@reddit
Not excusing literal terrorists, but we ought to be more appalled that an actually organized military from a supposedly civilized nation is no better.
“Other forms of sexual and gender-based violence, including rape and violence to the genitals, were committed either under explicit orders or with implicit encouragement by Israel’s top civilian and military leadership,” the report maintained.”
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And here is a report on the usage of systemic rape as a tool of war: https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session58/a-hrc-58-crp-6.pdf
This genocide is a race to the bottom by all sides fighting part in it (except for the civilians caught in the crossfire, of course), maybe we ought to come together, say that enough is enough, and deploy UN troops on the ground to finally deal with Hamas, and disband Israel in the process. It's awful that we allow such barbarism, much worse that we pretend one side (which should be held to an even higher standard) is somehow permitted to be tolerated.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Whataboutery, the only defense of the rapists of Palestine.
PartySr@reddit
It says Hamas in the article, not Palestine. Can you not read or are you one of those people who love the current genocide?
Also, the guy was not defending Hamas. He was accusing Israel of doing the same thing, but on a larger scale.
Seems that you are incapable of understanding anything. How sad.
Funkliford@reddit
Schrodinger's government. Both the legitimate government of Gaza and a ragtag band of terrorists, whichever garners the most sympathy and deflects mot responsibility.
PartySr@reddit
Israel installed them and provided them fundsM ost Palestinians in Gaza were not able to vote when Hamas took over Gaza, but somehow they deserve to die according to people like you.
Also, you should read more about Schrodinger experiment before you used it in an argument.
Weird-Lavishness-490@reddit
???? Palestinians voted Hamas into majority government, Hamas took over Gaza after because they wouldn’t split power with Fatah.
If the current Israeli government gets voted out, does that mean Israel is no longer responsible for their actions? Why are current Israelis responsible for decisions made 100 years ago when Palestinians aren’t responsible for decisions made 20 years ago?
PartySr@reddit
The difference is that they voted for the current government and they are alive. They will also vote for the new government that will continue the genocide because 82% of the population approve their actions.
Weird-Lavishness-490@reddit
I don’t have brain cells while you blatantly ignore the second part of it, where none of the Israelis who were involved in the nakba are alive today but you still use it as justification for destroying Israel? Gotcha
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Yup.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Third option, I read what Palestinians actually say.
Students for Justice in Palestine: "The Palestinian resistance stormed the border fence…Today, we witness a historic win for the Palestinian resistance: across land, air, and sea, our people have broken down the artificial barriers of the Zionist entity…".
Ali Abunimah, head of the website Electronic Intifada: "Palestinians in Palestine and around the world are elated that their resistance broke out of the ghetto and humiliated the enemy oppressor."
170 faculty at Columbia University: "[it was] a military response by a people who had endured crushing and unrelenting state violence from an occupying power over many years"
“It wasn’t Hamas that resisted; it was the Palestinian people who resisted. You can’t separate Hamas from the Palestinians. Hamas is the Palestinians, and the Palestinians are Hamas.” - MK Zoabi
Noura Erekat: “We, as advocates and as scholars, have been insisting that you cannot defeat Hamas militarily, that it is part of the national and political fabric of Palestinians, and that they must be engaged with diplomatically.”
Palestinians and their supporters are the ones who said Palestine did October 7th, not just Hamas.
Whatabouting to something else is a defense. Not a very good one, but a defense.
PartySr@reddit
Should I also give you the opinion of scholars who said that are saying Israel is causing a genocide in Gaza? But I doubt you will read cuz you're profile is all about how you love it.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
More "Whatabout Israel", the only defense of the rapists of Palestine. Do you have anything on topic to say?
PartySr@reddit
Nothing to add other than "Just go kiss Trump and shut up". You seem to lack basic reading skills.
NEEEEEEEEEEEET@reddit
So would you say Hamas should have surrendered at least a year ago? Reddit loves to pretend they don't support Hamas, but changes their tune at this question.
PartySr@reddit
Sure. They should have not started that at all. Will that mean that Israel will stop raping the Palestinians and provide them the same rights as the rest of their citizens or at least, help them create a country of their own?
HugoCortell@reddit
Exactly, all I said is that we must stop both. And, on top of that, we ought to hold an actually organized military on at a higher standard than a band of terrorists.
But apparently that's too much to ask.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Disband Israel?
HugoCortell@reddit
Of course. Just as we disbanded nazi germany. We can't allow a state that uses systemic rape as a tool of war to exist.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Found the antisemite.
Ala117@reddit
Til being against systemic rape makes you an antisemite.
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Advocating eliminating Israel does though.
Maximum-Hall-5614@reddit
Being anti-fascist is apparently antisemitic now, according to u/IntrepidAd2478
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Israel is not a fascist state by any definition. Please feel free to illuminate us has to how Israel and Mussolini’s Italy are similar.
Phobia_Ahri@reddit
Conflating antizionism with antisemitism is the real antisemitism. Are antizionist jews also antisemetic? You dont know what you are talking about
IntrepidAd2478@reddit
Advocating the disbanding of the only majority Jewish state in existence is antisemitism.
150c_vapour@reddit
I've only seen video of one rape. And it was IDF soldiers raping a prisoner. While we've all seen the party goers in skant festival clothes captive, I have not seen any direct evidence of SA like we have with IDF and their prisoners.
DorkHarshly@reddit
Please let me know if you wish to be pointed to the evidence.
Warning: some stuff cannot be unseen
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
You saw nothing of the kind. The video shows people standing around.
Also, shame on the Israelis for not shooting videos while they were being raped and murdered.
150c_vapour@reddit
Look dumb ass that dude that raped is being celebrated and admits it in Israel. "no video" give me a break. The guy admits it. Are you saying he's lying??
And believe me the shame on the Israelis is the genocide. The children dead. The starvation. That shame cannot be shrugged off in whataboutisms. It will follow zionists around for generations. Like the nazism of WWII.
Even the whataboutisms have lost all power in the face of what everyone can see on social media with the sheer scale of destruction and killings of the IDF.
Deaf to the IDF. Hear no lies.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Link?
Palestine murdered children and committed genocide on October 7th and you love it more than anything in the world. Where's the shame there? Or is murdering children OK when Palestine does it?
DorkHarshly@reddit
Excuse me sir/madam.
This is not a report on systemic rape
This is a report on gender based violence.
Including
Sperm bank and reproductive clinics that were destroyed
Strip searches of suspects
People that were kicked in the nuts
Soldier who picked up underwear in ruins and recorded himself playing with it.
*Statements in the press of some politicians
Some events are more serious.
Not to excuse any violence....
But no systemic rape
Admitedly, this is quite a long list. Might have missed something. If so, please point me to it.
crockett05@reddit
This is just more bullshit by the BBC to help cover up for the UK and it's part in the genocide of tens of thousand of innocent people. They want to vilify Palestinians so they can help make excuses for the next phase of the genocide with is mass relocation to where the end game death camps will be..
That is the reality they want to move the Palestinian out of Gaza because that land is now valuable due to the off shore gas reserves and the Nazi state of Israel will never be happy so long as their is an Arab around.
The British are now making it illegal to protest against Israel so the BBC is now doing hit pieces to further vilify the victims of genocide..
"They deserved it bro"
OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)
Ala117@reddit
You're doing it anyway.
enterisys@reddit
How does disbanding Israel help with humus rapers?
HugoCortell@reddit
The UN troop deployment would be to help with hamas. Disbanding israel is to prevent systemic rape at a larger and organized scale to stop.
It's not enough to stop 10% of the rapes. We should aim a little higher than that.
enterisys@reddit
That report is not about "systematic rape". It's about humus using women and kids as shield against the FAFO. You should really read it before linking...
Morgn_Ladimore@reddit
What Hamas did to the hostages is absolutely disgusting and they (being Hamas specifically) deserve everything that's been happening to them. They are a blight both to Israel and Palestinians themselves.
However, one of the investigators in this (Israeli) project, Professor Ruth Haleprin-Kaddari, said that the UN's investigation into sexual assault committed by the IDF against Palestinians is further proof of anti-Israeli bias and saying it is "another step in a campaign to delegitimize Israel": https://www.972mag.com/systematic-sexual-violence-against-palestinians/
It's just so disappointing. These people genuinely cannot give Palestinians anything. Here we have an advocate for the rights of women (an admirable thing to do), yet the moment the victims are Palestinian girls and women brutalized by the IDF, that concern instantly goes out the window.
And keep in mind, Israel themselves blocked UN investigations into sexual violence committed by Hamas, because the UN would have also investigated Israeli crimes: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/jerusalem-said-blocking-un-investigation-on-hamas-sexual-violence-that-also-requires-probe-of-israel/
crockett05@reddit
Israel uses geocide, mass murder, rape, starvation part of 'genocidal strategy'. No about of trying to shift blame to Hamas will ever not make Israel a bunch of genocidal lunatics who should all be locked away in prisions.
OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)
What are you talking about? Hamas started this war and from day 1 on it was widely reported apart from killing civilians they also used sexual violence. This isnt really any new insights.
crockett05@reddit
The war didn't start on Oct 7th .. We don't live in a vacuum that none of Israel's genocide happened before then. Oct 7th was only the 1st time in 20+ years that the Palestinians actually were able to strike back..
It's been a genocide since 1947
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Then why were Arabs murdering Jews in Palestine in 1930, 1931, 1929, 1834, etc?
totally-not_renault@reddit
the only thing I can find in 1834 is the Peasants' Revolt, it was an uprising against Egyptian rule under Muhammad Ali and his son Ibrahim Pasha. wasnt "arabs murdering jews"
and no massacres happened in 1930 and 1931
stop spreading bullshit
crockett05@reddit
Why did the Jews invade and murder people in 1250 BCE? See how that work? You were always the murdering invaders..
Zeydon@reddit
2023 is 'deadliest year' for Palestinian children say human rights groups - October 6, 2023
The apartheid colony of Israel started this genocide, not those living under occupation, who are allowed to resist their militarily according to international law. Resurrecting these long debunked lies of systemic rape at the hands of the resistance is absurd at this point, especially when we know Israel uses systemic rape as a weapon, their government justifies raping Palestinians openly, and they celebrate their rapists on MSM like they're heroes. What's next - are you going to resurrect the lies about Biden's 40 beheaded babies?
Every accusation is a confession.
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RetardedGaming@reddit
Libraries worth of evidence shows the sexual violence that the Zionist entity inflicted on not only Palestinians, but also any other people they came across throughout it's genocidal existence.
Seriously the BBC needs to f*cking die, I'm not even gonna engage with this rag that they published, it's literally the exact same thing as the European settlers justifying their genocide of the indigenous American population by portraying them as violent, backward savages.
The script has never changed, intellectually dishonest whitewashing of genocide.
Hey BBC, if hypothetically most or all European Jews were sex criminals, would the Holocaust have been justified?
Eexoduis@reddit
I fully expect some awful comments on this post.
Reflex reactions will range from immediate denial and dismissal of the alleged victims, that if they were abducted and held hostage, they were treated like royalty in those underground caves and never subject to the aid blockades or any maltreatment by poorly trained, poorly disciplined 20 year old militants, to the opposite - that every member of Hamas is endowed with a genocidal rage and that we (the US taxpayer) must therefore fund the eradication of every soul in Gaza.
McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
They cannot handle the concept of Palestine doing something wrong without feeling the need to justify and whatabout. I suspect it's Iranian bot training.
150c_vapour@reddit
Can someone send an email to the hasabarabots about what subreddits tolerate their nonsense? Prob they can find them by scanning where the subscriber count is falling the most.
r/mapporn is a good one. Full zio circlejerk. r/RareHistoricalPhotos has also been ruined.
OptimisticRealist__@reddit (OP)
Wild, that a news report from the BBC about Hamas doing something horrendous, causes you to go full defensive mode and reject it as hasbara propaganda. Talking about indoctrination... maybe reflect a bit about that
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McAlpineFusiliers@reddit
Full report here.
pingpongpiggie@reddit
Think you're missing a key part of the headline there
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